Valve is NOT your friend.
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Note: the project was shut down for stealing TF2’s assets, code and porting it to a completely DIFFERENT engine (Garry Newman’s new engine).
The devs and the people owning the engine didn’t have permission from valve to use their assets, which explains this takedown. (why call it source 2 then when it isn’t on source 2???).
There’s a lot of shit beneath the surface of all of this, and special thanks to the people in the comments that brings this up to me. But still, even with this information at hand, it doesn’t make Valve look better. It explains the takedown, but in contrast to everything else, they’re still the same.
I genuinely think we should be a lot more agressive with this stance towards Valve. No more fucking half-assed positivity. Just tell Valve to fuck right off at every turn and don't give them your money. Especially not on fucking TF2 cases.
How do you get the classic character icons on your hub screen, instead of the moving one with your cosmetics
@@StaffSergeantSigmon It's in advanced settings.
@@SalesmanWave what’s the name of it
Incorrect. They stole TF2 assets, code, and were trying to port it to a new engine as a stand alone game without a licence.
That seriously breaches DMCA which is why it was taken down.
Stop adding fuel to the fire.
It's crazy how Valve can just go instantly silent on their own accord, and just stop updating the game and fixing anything. And just back to radio silence, back at square one
Lemme comment that I watched Valve's Half-Life 25th anniversary video, and they even stated that they don't want to become a shitty money driven company when they were making Half-Life. They really became what they entitled themselves to be not
They did not go silent, or stopped updating the game. It is loud and clear. Remove the only spectator move in the game. Adding more loot boxes and trash cosmetics. Silence F2P accounts. I mean how much more clear can they make themselves? Bots and cheaters still run freely being racist openly cheating or running bots. Still having thousands of cosmetics in there backpack. Most likely stolen those too. Valve does nothing. There is even Steam community groups made up of known long time cheaters doing it daily almost. VAC you know.
Uh yea, its their game, they can do whatever they want
@mrdGugua they absolutely do what they want with their games for sure. That includes endorsing a lot of child gambling and enabling a lot of money laundering schemes. Let’s not forget that they already had a huge court case in 2016 which they just committed perjury by going on to enable and endorse gambling websites that are still used primarily by children in their CSGO and Dota majors. I guess if they can do whatever they want, I can too. Can I have all of your money? Yes? Ok thanks. It’s just everything you own in your bank account, nothing big right?
@@3ofSpades yea thats based
the actual reason it got DMCA'd was not because they didn't have a license, it was because they were redistributing TF2's assets for free without permission
you didn't need to have the game to have the assets
That’s what I mean with they were porting TF2 into source 2, it’s Valve’s IP either way.
Not exacly, unlike garry's mod, sandbox dosn't have any Valve assets. So they were stealing TF2 assets.
they didn't have a license to use the TF2 assets
yeah this is what a lot of people arent realizing
the project was doomed anyway, the code changes would have required a full rewrite of the game and the devs understandably did not want to do that@@outofstepbaritone
@@outofstepbaritone yeah thats a better way of putting it
You didn't even mention the fact that a good 80% of CSGO's gamemodes aren't in 2
Why would he mention that in a video about a TF2 controversy. You people are just looking for an excuse to get mad.
@@sadmate_because we play other valve games too, Valve neglects all of their games and you say "excuse to get mad" ? are you dumb? we have every reason to be pissed after 7 years of no content
@@sadmate_ "Leave the heckin mulit-billion dollar companyrinoo alone"
He did mention it 9 minutes in, no?
because it's a perfect example of valve not giving a crap? the man hearted the comment.@@sadmate_
"I love TF2 and I miss it" this phrase has evolved so much and it represents how misserable the game is right now, shows howTF2 is dying right in front of us and there is nothing we can do.
I have a idea: TF2 for Garena
Except the person who made that quote never actually cared about tf2 to begin with. Funke is a cancer to the whole community
Yes and No. it is dying yet it still here, it’s like how some other tftuber put it, I forget his name, it’s like trying to talk to your grandpa with dementia about things he did in life, his stories, he’s still with you, but his mind is slipping away
Tf2 is never going to die, the problem is that valve knows about this fact
@@jankygrunt pretty sure that was Funke
"Valve is NOT your friend."
they've never been your friend in the first place
They are friend with Dota 2 players
@@justrandomusername477 too weak to accept it.
@@justrandomusername477this doesn't convince me to play the game that shit looks like LOL
@@balleraash Don't play it then
The whole community has Stockholm syndrome over this whole thing. Send help
Not just community, go to any game's playerbase and you'll find us the same split. Loud minority wanting good change to the game and the silent majority buying anything the company puts out.
@@m1nw4ge57 Bruh?
@@m1nw4ge57 ???
no, I how they do a ltg
Same with GTA Online
Blame the Meet Your Match update and the realization that loot crates (for all Valve games) make more money than actually making games or updating them with real content - and no, "community content" =/= Valve content.
Imagine on the other side of the spectrum where tf2 wasn't f2p and costed 699.99 for the game and additional 399.99 for each DLC/expansion which gives a few weapons, new maps and crates that you still have to pay keyes to open.
Blaming isn't gonna fix anything.
Meet Your Match was what made me quit TF2 back in the day.
Just never been able to get into it since, cause it lost the casual fun nature for me
@@squidish6041 ah yes the call of duty black ops 3 dlc model
@@someguynamedmatt2907
I miss quickplay… back when I could boot the game, get into a valve 2fort match within just 10 seconds, without any bots or bright ugly unusual gimmick hats.
certified "google no longer has 'Don't be evil' in its code of conduct" moment
Respect++ for pinned comment.
Note 1: Valve hasn't changed. There was an email exchange from 2007 where Valve told some standalone mod devs that they have to link SDK content instead of copying and hosting it.
Note 2: It's very irritating for me that people went so crazy about the recent events, but really, it's more of a coincidence:
1 - Valve shadowing a game (tf2), something they're literally known for.
2 - People being mad, because of the statement above.
3 - Valve being the same Valve as in 2007, who took down a project basically hosting Valve asset dump (tf2 source 2).
4 - Item servers going down for technical reasons for mere
This like 1000%
At this point people have become drama junkies and need their fix every month or so. I feel like I've watched this exact same video like 30 times over the last few years.
ikr? not being a valve meatrider but it's just an unfortunate timing of events that made the community lose it again lol.
its small youtubers jumping on the hate wagon desperate for new trendy content with clickbait titles like this channel right here. nothing new happened but people are making it look like valve is the new nintendo
We're fucking lucky that TF2 is still running!
First few Halo games, servers are dead.
Flash, servers are dead.
Overwatch 1+2, servers are dead.
Nintendo's WiFi services, dead.
Call of duty and Battlefield, servers are dead.
TF2 is a 16 year old game, and its servers are still running fine!
We should be thanking VALVe for not unplugging the server cords just to save some money on the electric bill!
As someone said one time "Valve is not the same indie happy making gaming company, it's dark and scary company that will take all of your money.
At least Valve cares about it's gaming community. Unlike every other businesses, Valve understands what gamers want and knows how to make a profit while keeping players happy. Don't believe me? Look at your Library.
@@RickTheSmugLordAre they really making the players happy though?
@@RickTheSmugLord IM SO HAPPY GAMBLING ALL MY MONEY AND HAVING A LIBRARY FULL OF EVERYONE ELSE'S GAMES BECAUSE VALVE DOESN'T ACTUALLY MAKE GAMES
@@DrHappy-hk4hl yes, they are. they did like one bad thing lmao, they'd have to do a lot worse than this to even make a dent on all the good they've done for the gaming community.
@@terrified057t4 Who forced you to spend that money gambling? Who forced you to buy games in that library? Are you stupid? Do you have problems controlling your own impulses? Or are you just mad that other people are spending money in a way that you don't like?
Tfw a community carries a 16 year old game abandoned by its dev company ❤
Hai hagrid >:3
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Yankee Company who created an FPS (TF2): Abandon
South Korean/Chinese Company who created an FPS (CrossFire): UPDATE & FREE VVIPS!!!
Thank you for talking about CSGO as well, I feel like at this point we need to start uniting all of these communities so that eventually the noise becomes so loud that Valve finally has to do something.
Valve will crumble someday because of this
the community cant do shit except to boycott the games, which will never happen. just because a player yells at valve he is still playing and probably paying and therefore doing what valve wants him to do
Yeah I just knew that shit wasn't ready
And why tf did Valve think it was a good idea just to get rid of CSGO all together?
That was fucking DUMB
@@TheRealClaylex They took out official matchmaking (no more ranking up or down) and won't guarantee future inventory compatibility, but CS:GO is still downloadable via Steam and if you can find community servers with players in them, is just "playable".
@@TheRealClaylex I think I know why, they didn't want to lose money. Let's say Valve allowed CSGO and CS2 to coexist. They'd have to justify CS2's existence with game changing mechanics and leaving behind all the paid content in CSGO to start over implementing all new stuff. Since Valve surely wouldn't put resources into updating both games, they'd stop updating the older CSGO, which would cause people to get tired and move on. Less players means less incentive to buy items to show off in game to other people, which will lead to less sales, and if sales slow down enough, people will see CSGO as a lost cause and cut prices of their items to get as much of their money back as possible, losing money not only for themselves, but Valve as well since they take a cut on all items sold. For various reasons, it's not guaranteed all those people will want to move on to continue spending money in this hypothetical version of CS2, mainly because of the changes Valve would have to make to set the game apart, and the new engine being too intensive on older hardware. Even if they did, with CS2's economy still in it's infancy, not nearly as much money would be made, and it would take years for things to go back to the way they were in CSGO.
You might be wondering why they don't just keep updating CSGO, and that's because it's age was showing. A new coat of paint could keep players engaged and improve the workflow for developers. The source engine is ancient. It's buggy, and highly inefficient for today's standards; long overdo for an update. Utilizing Source 2's new tools would make things much easier.
valve makes my brain feel like its been ran over by a train.
In CP Well?
Honestly valve has a literal money printer with steam, they COULD hire these modders or community members/creators but they actively chose not to. Hell back in the day valve would have hired the entire team that worked on tf source 2 and made it an official release
Its weird too
They were TOTALLY fine with Black Mesa, hell they allowed community peeps to make a L4D oriented update
But oh no having them fix TF2 or just let the community do it is too much work apparently.
@@TheRealClaylex
Both of those asked for permission. Maybe, you know, ask? If you're taking assets that isn't your own to begin with, why not ask? It's a simple problem that could've been avoided by simply asking.
@@TheRealClaylex as other person replied said ask every fangame asks valve for permission before releasing Y'all act overdramatic but this is what tf2 community is nowdays acting overdramatic over every small thing that happens.
@@TheRealClaylexisn’t black mesa made with need assets too?
@@Rookie417 I BELIEVE the BM devs made their own stuff/assets and later asked Valve permission and such, that's how they were able to keep going with the project and even make it purchaseable.
I still remember when Valve went ballistic on FPSBanana over modders porting HL2 assets (EP1 and EP2 to an extent) to goldsrc. Mind you, this happened between 2008-12 (i may be wrong, but that is what i witnessed at the time). Then, out of nowhere, Valve grabbed a modpack from that same site (those HD models gearbox made, but touched up a bit and ported to HL:S) and put it in HL:S as the "official HD pack". Modders didn't profit for porting these assets to goldsrc, nor did FPSBanana.
Valve have always sucked hard when it comes to communicating/interacting with their fans, but they make up to it by fleshing out and supporting small studios/creative directors (portal 2 is their best game to date IMO).
When I'm in a relentless optimism competition and my opponent is a TF2 fan.
No company will ever care about you over your money. Don't forget that.
There have also been several item hackers, scammers, and cheaters in Dota 2 and Counter Strike, obviously less then TF2 but it’s still a big problem and Valve just has not fixed it. I’m starting to think they just don’t give a shit about any of their games.
TBH fighting cheaters is basically a futile endeavour especially with games like CS:GO and TF2 where the source code leaked.
Lol. American company can't fixed hacker issue. While a Chinese & South Korean Company can easily deal with the hacker Issue. Yankees can't even fix their game lol
@@zhaohuangsfm There’s a huge difference between “can’t” and “won’t.”
@@eliptical7033 I don't really give a shit about grammar
yes, we should let companies and governments have total access to our pcs just to prevent a few people from ruining a few videogame rounds
I think we all know that valve is updating the game to “make it better” when its seriously just trying to milk it dry and let it die
O'hare style
It's even more obvious when you look at the community created content that was added to the game post-jungle inferno. They did jack shit for quality control and it heavily shows
A lot of the cosmetics in the halloween cases aren't halloween restricted and it makes it blatantly obvious they didn't take more than an hour to look through them and add them to the game.
No no is ok bro Valve just… „went to get milk from the store“ and abandoned the game 🥰🥰
legit everything valve has been rapidly degrading in quality, the "new" steam client often uses 1GB+ of ram and runs like garbage because we gotta have cool shiny animations everywhere
CS2 is still broken AF by the way, there are thousands of players complaining about packet loss ( i am affected and it is basically unplayable at times )
I wanted to talk about the steam UI too, and yes I agree it just DEVOURS your ram.
But that’s probably a topic for another day.
@@Monkey_XDD It also devours Internet Packets, like 400 whole mb, meaning that with my my 1200 mbit connection wifi, I lose most of it having steam opened.
After years of Valve pissing down on people and telling them it's raining, it's nice to see some people starting to look up again.
What pisses me off more not that they have the money to just hire people to work on it, but you have full communities that would do it for even lower or free, just to keep the game alive and help build their resume. Of course I think why they are not wanting to hire anyone though is that they realize how the playerbase for all their games are, especially TF2 and the issues it had before, but Valve could hand it off to anyone now, I like that Valve will keep the IP though, but we need change, its a new year, I'm hopefully for something.
Keep up the great work Monkey, thank you for all you do, and say hi to Zesty.
2:42 It's way easier to have your legal team send a C&D to a dead project that's using your assets illegally than having a dev team trying to stop hackers from hacking your 16 year old game when they have the source code available to them. It's substantially easier to find workarounds to patches made than to make them in the first place, especially when there are multiple parties hacking your game. I do think that Valve should reconsider their management style so that way a dedicated team can be put on TF2 to fix these kinks, but they honestly have no real monetary incentive to do so. Also I don't see why Valve should be expected to reward people for using their IP illegally, they're already the biggest company to work with their communities, I don't think they should be pushed that far and be tempted to drop working with their community altogether (almost like with what happened with the Invasion update). Valve still works with people if they use their IP legally. Valve's already a saint compared to the rest of the industry, I don't know why we have to be on their ass while every other company is doing much more reprehensible things. I just feel like this video was made too quickly to temper your emotions and it comes off too vitriolic for what's actually going on.
Honestly, and if you think about it, who the hell would ever want to work on TF2 in those offices. Why dedicate spending time trying to understand spaghetti code made by people who don’t work in the company anymore and dealing with issues you cannot reasonably tackle such as the bots. Especially when every single thing you either do or don’t do results in overwhelming negative attention, that would break the spirits of a lot of devs.
Yea, I'm thoroughly convinced that the day gabe newell dies is the day valve shits the bed, but right now they're all working on software and hardware. Steam is the best storefront for a reason, with features most others have never had. They just don't dump money into the pit of wasted time stopping hackers and shit.
you misunderstood the comment. he talking about how if the legal team can go after some fan projects. they can easily shutdown bot hosting stuff that are breaking steam's TOS (even more so if they are ddos bots) with the legal team. it what blizzard did when Overwatch came out (and in the 4 years when i did play OW i never came across a hacker). if you can't out code them buried them in legal paperwork it's not like the hackers have the money or legal team to do anything about.
@@themightyhookddos bots aren't a thing anymore fyi
Damn that scout gameplay was going crazy (I was getting cooked ngl). Great vid!
The ragdoll got me laughing ngl
The praise Valve got from the summer update where we got FUCKING NOTHING from them, not even the implementation of the community fixes, makes me genuinely question what's wrong with ppl. They didn't even use a TF2 shader for the grill promo png, it was made in sfm2.
Eh, official VSH is pretty cool. I do think, though, that the update should have been themed around it as much as Jungle Inferno.
wanna send a message to a company?
use their language Money, keep your wallet in your pocket.
I think Valve was right to DMCA but they fucked up on HOW they did it.
The reason for the copyright was the use and straigh copy ofTF2 assets without permission on S&Box and Source 2. They should have clarified that this is why they are striking the project, and given the people behind the project a warning about it that they were gonna do it.
They should have prefaced the DMCA with this sort of explanation. It would have made it less bad.
Normally these things are private, everyone can understand the takedown. But to put it simply as I did, it’s valve’s IP, they can do whatever they want with it. And I don’t call them assholes for not letting do whatever they want with their IP.
It’s just that give them so me preach.
That is literally what they did.
From the actual DMCA letter
"The original copyrighted work is Valve's game Team Fortress 2 ("TF2") [link]. The TF2 assets have been ported to Source 2 without permission and are being redistributed by Amper Software in a game mode for Facepunch's S@box. Facepunch has not licensed any Valve assets for S@box. The unauthorized porting and redistributing of Valve's assets without a license violates Valve's IP."
Also turns out the team also indeed was given forewarning and decided to act belligerently.
I thought you were gonna say:
If valve takes down a fan project theyre making a new one
But then i remember why it was taken down
after the shit they pulled back when the summer update was announced people should have started to wise up
No sugar coating.
Just how I like it
I agree with everything you point out, I may not be a active TF2 player, but this is all exactly why I don't play it.
read the edited comment, he is wrong here sadly, I love Monkey aswell he is very straight to the point, but this entire thing is misplaced. :/
@@BreadTeleporter002 Even the edited comment miss the point.
You don't know how much I don't give a f*ck about laws, when they are broken by the very same persons asking for them to be respected by others.
By the way, if you let a game die, it should be public domain, or else it means you are a tumor, a cancer to people trying to enjoy something.
Honestly, if I'm being incredibly honest here. It's more unhealthy to play a game that's being held by a company that's actively killing the game and its community. Like yes, if a lot of people left the game it'll more than likely get shut down. But I much rather have the game be put out of it's misery than be in a zombified state that it is and will be for its last few years.
I agree, but i doubt it, as TF2 makes valve a LOT of money. It’s gonna stick around, for better or for worse
It was nice at first to see people trying to save the game, but as time has gone by its become clear Valve're leaving this game to death and aren't doing anything to help it.
Move on, pick another game up, this one is falling down the shitter and it's not getting any better, now or ever.
@@sanfordrussell8549 so TF2 is left 4 dead?
This is so damn depressing, what has become of this beloved game.
It has come to a point that I force myself to play this game everyday, as it has been a habit of mine for many years, but I'm struggling to find any enjoyment from it anymore. Then again, it could be because I only go to VSH maps right now, but then I get reminded that the bots are the main reason for that limitation. I also used to play a lot on Delfy's Class War server, but that has since half a year ago now died out basically.
Edit: Now even the VSH servers are infested.
I'm starting to consider assassination.
plagiarism with stolen assets is not the same thing as just remaking it and shouldn't be rewarded with a job
The fact Monkey even suggested that shows he's only mad to generate outrage and clicks. He doesn't even know what he's talking about.
If you let something die, it should be public domain, if you still want to keep it for you and yourself alone, then the problem is you, and we'll have to deal with you, personally.
@@Cynwale That's not the law. TF2 can't physically die. Please, seek mental help.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 Your straw man will lead you nowhere.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 He never does know.
Companies, corporate entities and their behavior are merely symptoms, the real root of which is intellectual property and an economical system, where abusing said intellectual property for your own benefit is way more profitable. Free and open source projects are becoming more and more popular, polished, user friendly and stable than many of their proprietary counterparts.
This is why intellectual property isn't something I believe in. I will continue "stealing" things that are infinitely copyable and can never be scarce.
Windows is most popular operating system in the world because average person is too dumb to compile software by themselves... Anyone claiming that free software cannot be monetized on large scale is bullshitting.
"WERE NOT DYING WE ARE GONNA LIVE FOREVER!"
Well that backstabbed :(
When the massive 7.7 billion dollar corporation acts like a massive corporation, as it has for a literal decade straight, because it's not the cutesy uwu indie company that it started out as:
It's okay to just give up and move on. I did it for Destiny 2 when it took a nosedive in quality. Be an adult and find a new game to rant about every goddamn video while continuing to give it your money for lootboxes
+1
Few community members should just send a resume onto Valve
Unbelievable how people watch valve's actions for the past decade and just brush it off as if it means nothing. People should see valve for what they are and take off those rose tinted glasses for a moment. Valve has gotten away with doing this shit for so long since they haven't been held responsible to any meaningful degree, I just hope we actually wake up to that fact and maybe cause something to happen.
Ah yes, Another "I cry because of item outage for a day or two."
this video wasn't even made because of the item outage, it was because 2 fan projects were taken down around this time period, which he addressed at the very beginning of the video if you were actually paying attention
1. Passionate gamers group together to make dream game
2. Dream game becomes popular and even earns money
3. Devs become corporate, start laying off and hiring new people
4. Corp lacks what originally made them lovable, passionate, and produce good games
5. Corp abuses copyrights to extend their lifetime like a zombie since they dont make profit nor have the same reputation
6. Something separate but, same is created that gets around copyright
7. Corp falls and that "separate" game goes through the same cycle again
I'm happy you and a few other members of the community have a similar sentiment in being tired of toxic positivity. Even if the new savetf2 campaign somehow got valve's attention again it'd just be a repeat of the valve cycle sadly.
every game company will spiral into this madness
it happened to mojang, and now its happening to valve
mojang is because of Microsoft, Microsoft doesn't want to change anything about Minecraft's core gameplay loop in fear of making the player base drop and they are desperately try to keep that lightning in a bottle that notch and jeb made 15 years ago
@arcticsalmoncatcher3814 Mojang is part of Microsoft. Stop sucking up them, they're both to blame.
Valve spiraled into madness because they aren't working on a dead game that brings them zero revenue? You kids need to grow up. You will never ever see a gaming company as good as Valve in your lifespan. I don't think you realise how much Valve has done for the gaming industry.
@@daxia0 TF2 is still in the top 10 most played games on Steam as well as being one of the top 50 most profitable games on Steam. Maybe do some research before making such a stupid comment.
@@evdestroy5304 Top 10 most played doesnt mean corrolate to revenue little guy. Profitable game? Long time ago it was. Now not so much. You think Valve wouldn't work on a game that they get good revenue from? Look at Counter-Strike. I swear you 15 year olds need a reality check. Keep whining.
Thank TFtubers & comp players for the current state of the game.
I love these Zesty type commentaries
The fact that this game managed to last for almost 20 years is shocking enough. But alas, the inevitable has to happen sooner or later.
I really want to give valve the benefit of the doubt. Tf2 launched long before even the idea of a live service game was a thing. Id even go so far as to say tf2 was the largest contributor to the creation of live service, but valve never signed up for that.
Their dedication over the years to tf2 was out of love, not obligation.
Artifact was a tragedy, but not for us. Every person who worked on artifact, wanted to, it was the game they all chose to make. I cant imagine how much it must have hurt for them to hear that response when it was revealed.
We may spend a lot of money on tf2, but technically valve owes us nothing. I personally owe years of my life to tf2 and i would love nothing more than a tf3 or even the return of full development. The issue is tf2 needs passion, not the return of a dev team that actually wants to be working on another project.
Many people still live in 2009 where Valve was a good.
"Because of all the backlash they received, they were done"
Some people might not want to hear this at all, but I feel like the community has some blame on this matter. We definitely did not make communication with the devs easier (at least for the previous years) cause some of us are just impossible to satisfy, which led to them no longer wanting to do much with the game, understandably so.
Still doesn't excuse the bots tho.
video games arent made by faceless corporations, there are real people that make and work on these things, most of the people who made and worked on tf2 who made it such a great game are no longer a part of valve, hence why they hardly do anything cool anymore
Games are made by people, but the ones *selling* it are snakes
This is sad. I started to play tf2 in 2021 so I was really late to the party but I got really into it and seeing them do nothing is just sad
So, they steal valve's assets, code and all w/o licenses/permission, yet they decide to cry about it. they deserve all of this.
Then proceeds to buy skin loot boxes
The tf2 community is genuinely going through the 5 stages of grief lol
We've had denial, we've had bargaining (it isn't always in the same order), now we're at anger apparently.
Something a lot of people don't seem to get about the TF2S2 project:
the major overhaul of s&box that had happened recently forced the TF2S2 coders to have to overhaul basically the entire thing. so they were already thinking about just dropping it.
secondly, they were effectively giving out tf2 assets for free, without a license. This is most likely why they got DMCA'd.
also, VALVE has new hires in their legal department which is why they seem like such a killjoy now. and, it's easier to send a simple DMCA than it is to implement bot detection and whatnot on a game that's ~15 years old. Yes, the lack of communication has been shit, yes, they've left the game in an awful state. I hate it too. But this is just how it's been, if we're going to keep playing they won't do shit
As a life long Nintendo fan, i've had to learn about "how corporations aren't you friends" the hard way (those DMCA takedowns and the Wii U flopping was a tough pill to swallow for my young tween self). It's miserable to see Valve mishandling the Bots and now their own takedowns of fan creations since i practically grew up on those wonderful TF2 videos from a decade ago from now. It made me care for those characters and how much love a community can have towards a game they loved for years even after the people behind it starting abandoning it for other stuff. I hope that Valve at least tries to understand how hypocritical it is to take down fan projects of Portal and TF2 when their own engine was sourced from another fan made project in Quake.
Valve didn't take down the fan creations because they're an evil company that wants to do nothing but harm the community. They took down tf2s2 because the devs were redistributing TF2 assets without a license, and they took down portal64 because they didn't want to get into a litigation battle with Nintendo. Both of which are completely reasonable.
wawawa i make a reactionary video with zero correct information because my channel is garbage
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We need more of this from the community honestly, especially now. Telling how we feel straight up, without dancing around our points and sugar coating words like we're dealing with toddlers. Valve is a multi-billion dollar company, and it's about time we start talking to them like it.
1. TF2 while I'm sure brings in some profits to the company its just a drop in the sea that is Counter Strike, DOTA, hardware they sell and Steam most of all.
2. You can't just demand for a game to be updated over and over again, or a new installment to be made. That's how you get yearly release trash like CoD or Asscreed. If the devs are feeling burnt out on a game, just let them abandon it. Let the time take it. There's no need for them to be slaves to their project. This isn't a case of devs promising a game and then leaving it in a half baked state. It's a 17 year old finished game with plenty of updates and content added after launch.
3. They don't need to fucking update the game for it to stay alive.
4. They can DMCA a TF2s2 project because its centralized with clear origin point. You can't do the same with bots who are written by lone actors sharing their projects on discord servers and other places which would be hard to track down. It's like playing whack-a-mole in that case, and it's giving the bot creators exactly the attention they crave and want and it exacerbates the problem rather than fixing it.
5. Medals and acknowledgment for what? TF2s2 was an obvious attempt at trying to get job at valve, and rather than being a mod which requires a base game, it ripped assets and code. There is no creativity in there like with Black Mesa who took base Half-Life and actually REMADE it.
6. You speak of the card game as if it's something they put major assets and care in, but it's pretty clear they acknowledge it's a fucking failure, considering nobody plays anymore, and they don't update it anymore.
7. 'CS2 released in half assed state' So did CSGO whats your point? They fixed it over time.
8. 'Why are you rushing this?' 'WAAAAAAAAAAAAH, WHERES MY UPDATES, WHERES MY NEW GAMES, WHERES MY NEW CONTENT, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH' Does that answer your question?
9. 'Valve doesn't want to do anything to TF2' What's the problem with that? The game as I've already mentioned, IS OLD AS FUCK. The players who want to continue playing the game will continue playing it regardless. Look at such games as Project Reality, Quake, SS13, Titanfall 2 with its Northstar client, GMOD, Empires Mod, Neo Tokyo. Those games have dedicated communities who play them years after the game has """""died""""". If you genuinely care about this game you'd continue playing it regardless of the player count.
10. 'What else can we fucking do other than to scream at this corporate brick wall, that doesn't give a single fuck about it's players' Well you could just stop supporting them and playing their games, but you probably won't do that since you built your community AND SOURCE OF REVENUE around the very game and company you're complaining about.
Honestly there is not a single thing of value to be taken out of this video if you have above room temperature IQ (in Celsius), and aren't looking for a reason to be angry for stupid shit nobody cares about. Stay angry.
2-3. The game have MASSIVE problem with cheaters and bots that make game almost unplayable (most lobbies are infested with cheaters.)
4. TF2s2 creaters are improved player modes, maps, weapon animations, ui, recreated classes and other. They not just copy pasted all assests from og game.
10. Because they constantly put more cosmetics in game, without actually maintaining the game.
@@maurvick6777 1. What do you want them to do about it? Whats the solution? Do you think that those people are easy to track down and have a building/HQ they reside in and can be taken down? Do you think if they find a solution to 1 cheating software, they won't try to create another? VPN, a throwaway discord server and they're in the clear from any threat valve can throw at them.
2. It doesn't matter how many assets they taken, or if they improved them, they've taken legally protected intellectual property and used it in a manner that's breaking the law. There is no reason to be sympathetic towards them, and there is no reason to be mad at Valve, because this isn't a mod getting shut down, the thing shut down is stolen property being redistributed without approval.
3. Nobody, not a single person forces you to buy them. In fact nobody even forces you to play the game.
@@L1ghtyyyy 1. nullworks / cathook, it is distributing just like tf2s2 on github, but valve unable atleast takedown this page. 3. Yeah, but other people will waste their money in this game, without understanding problems in this game.
Well said, sir and/or ma'am!
"If the devs are feeling burnt out on a game, just let them abandon it."
Abandoning the game means there'll be no more cosmetic-only updates and no more Mann Co. store.
Okay. Deal.
so they stole valves assets and got mad when valve took it down
so sad to see how this game went down i hope you find a way to still make the videos you enjoy
To be honest, I've been wanting to become a video game developer for a while now, and this just makes me want to learn it right away so that I have the slightest chance to get hired at valve and fix tf2 for the community.
not happening. it's already been mentioned before that valve doesn't just let people work on whatever they want.
@@vulturesalesman They actually do let anyone work on what they want (in theory). The problem is that the employees rate each other's performance, and there is a tendency for those who work on projects outside of the main foci, you get rated poorly. This is the main reason TF2 gets no updates.
tf2 players just looking for something to cry about
TF2c is not a replacement for some... But it is for me, I don't want to play vanilla TF2 anymore.
We have less players, no cosmetics, better graphics and uhhh it's fun.
No annoying unlocks, no annoying unusual hats and guns. Just the good ol TF2, the original TF2.
But uhhhh fix TF2 anyways I like it too. Just fix the bots and say goodbye forever that's it.
Thank God someone else said this. Normal tf2 is as good as dead to me. Classic is plainly and simply a better version of the same game. "It's not tf2" is a bad argument when you're talking to someone who doesn't think the "real" game is anywhere close to as good as it used to be.
Classic is boring. Uninstaller after 29 minutes because there's jack all to do
It sounds more like ranting about Valve for not updating TF2 than "ripping of the bandaid" and talking about Valve taking down these projects...
TF:S2 was taken down, because creators didn't had permission to use assets in s&box, which is NOT Valve's IP.
Portal64 was taken down _by developer_ - Valve had advised him to do so, because he may feel the wrath of Nintendo if he doesn't.
It's not the first time Valve took a project down, nor the last one. But because it's TF2 then Valve bad? Should it happen to other game most people wouldn't care at all.
About Portal64, nothing I have to say, for TF:S2, they ARE in every way known to mankind, wrong.
No matter how much you fiddle with your corrupt and rotten laws.
@@Cynwale they can choose to do that though
Sorry dude, but they just straight up stole proprietary assets to use in a standalone game and then monetize is for their own gain all without the permission of the IP holder. That is theft and deserves DMCA. You can't just steal assets from people without permission, try to get money off it then say you were justified because you cared about TF2. The way the devs went about this was entirely wrong and they alone are at fault for it being shut down. Please tell the whole story if you're to publicly comment on these topics. I'd understand if Valve stonewalled any attempt at updating the game or porting it but this isn't the case.
Also Garry, unlike with Garry's Mod, has specifically stated that no proprietary, unlicensed assets were to be used in S&box. So if Valve didn't shut this down, Garry would have.
7:45 based and Quick Play pilled . joke aside. getting Quick Playback will solve the bot problem. at least it will make it less automated to make bot join servers on mass.
Actually, I think it'd just make the problem even worse.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 let me explain. the bot were a thing even before MYM. they were known by few names like cat bot. the thing. the bot joining servers on mass was not a problem. also they could be banned easily on community servers. the bot showed up like one week after MYM dropped. the casual system allowed them to ruin tf2 by how automated it is. don't get me started on the other problems MYM added. hopefully the incoming Zesty video show people how bad it is.
i don't blame you if you joined tf2 after MYM because you don't have frame of reference. you can look old videos to verify my info.
How about we all just stop playing? And what's stopping people? Sunk cost fallacy? The undeniably lost "hope" that the devs will come back to the game and fix everything with a new update to boot? I haven't played TF2 in a while, and I don't really intend to come back. I've found different things to do in my life and I don't need a game on the internet to dictate my every move, and I sure as hell don't need it to stay happy considering how many other games there are out there that want you to genuinely BE happy, instead of mathematically making you stay for as long as possible.
At this point it would be better if valve would let this game to finally die, they are mocking it's players by falsely promising them to make the game better, but in reality the game it's stuck in this constant state of trash skins, unusuals, maps, and cosmetics.
Not only was “Cache” such an iconic and OG map it was also a Fan made map. I can’t remember the guy’s name but every time you loaded up the screen his name was there in the credits. Funny how the map the wasn’t made by Valve didn’t make it into the game.
This is so real, a few years ago I lost everything because of a false vac ban. I got nothing back and had to start from the begining. I lost unusuals. I lost 5 years of items. I have never really gotten back into tf2 because of it.
why would they give medals, items or positions to a team that stole all their assets and coding without any permission??? video seems purposely misleading and just ragebaiting without sticking to the information which is widely available.
Remember when valve was viewed as this company that was different from the rest and was actually a "good company" yeah. That was ages ago.
bohoho valve doesn't want a game that steals from them, bad company :C
@@Dominossek Steals what? Assets for a free game on an engine that's not even compatible with TF2 anyway? Who gives a shit? You're stretching the definition of "steals" way too far.
He's fishing for attention lad. Don't give em this
@@D_YellowMadness it's against both Valve and Sandbox TOS. I have no idea what they were expecting. Not much, probably, considering that the project wasn't even in development by the time they got DMCA'd.
Valve took the memes about TF2 being a "shooter-themed hat game" and interpreted it literally, leaving the actual core gameplay to rot and die while only putting in the bare minimum to maintain the cosmetic market so they can keep making money off of it
If TF2s core gameplay becomes completely unplayable from bots and cheaters, the cosmetics people spend money on will lose their value. Why bother spending money on hats in a game where servers get crashed, filled with bots that kick everyone, and stomped by cheaters? If you can't play, why invest money into it?
A simple solution to this exists in the form of community servers.
TF2 Classic came back after they were DMCA'd because Valve just never responded after issuing the takedown. Wouldn't surprise me if the others come back.
Sincerest clown emojis to the fools thinking another SaveTF2 will do anything, and those who still have copium and hope for TF2. At this point I prefer being lied to by Overwatch team
Say what you will about Blizzard's games, at least they (mostly) get updates or new titles. Starcraft 2 wrapped up its story so I can imagine why they don't really work on it and HOTS was a Dota clone that just wasn't really worth the effort.
Most of us who were born in the mid to late 2000’s grew up with TF2 in someway, whether it be sfms, actually playing the game or beating it to fempyro. I already forgot what my point was with this comment but it was something along the lines of ”we are a united community and its sad to see TF2 in this state” or something
DOING WHAT WITH WHAT PYRO
DOING WHAT WITH WHAT PYRO
I used to play tf2 alot but now I don't because no matter how many times CZcamsrs give you false hope it's never true. I've moved on. But I still respect the communities persistence.
Welp, atleast you can enjoy the game's lore and all that instead, eh?
@@MinaDrawzStuff nope, lore has been on halt for so damn long, its not coming back likely
A lot of people are already commenting similar suggestions but it needs to be said. If you want tf2 to change, don't buy tf2 items. Valve only cares about their bottom line.
2:52 monkey taunted after killing a sentry with a reflected rocket, what a legend
I am a genuine believer that Valve should NOT release any more updates or release new content into this game until deal with the Bot issue, or until they hire someone who can. There is literally no point in spending the effort adding new maps and content if you can't even play it due to how many damn bots and cheaters there are.
I have had no incentive to spend money on this game for the past 2 years because there is no point. Valve has the money and resources to fix their games, they just don't want to and are constantly focusing on new toys that no one is gonna care about in 3 months. Valve have some of the most dedicated fan bases for their games ever, some of which go out of their way to MAKE CONTENT FOR THEIR GAMES which they can then use to MAKE THEMSELVES MORE MONEY, and you don't give a shit about them. Hell they have fans who are coders and who actively push bug fixes and security measures that can help, not to mention community servers having lots of measures to counter bots themselves. The fact their legal teams can shut down fan projects but can't shut down bot hosters and cheater websites astounds me.
I love this game to death, I've loved this game since I joined in 2011, and I still play to this day and will play until the game dies. But I'm also wanting to play casual again and not the same pool of community servers I usually visit. I want to play on new official maps with random people across the world. But I can't do that because Valve doesn't give a shit and these f***ing cheaters are running rampant. I could live with never getting another major update ever again, we did so for 6 years and made peace with it, all I want is just to play the damn game without cheaters and bots. Maybe it is Stockholm that makes me want to continue to play, but I refuse to spend any more money on this game until shit change, because there's no point in sending them my money if they don't want to do anything.
Valve, stop making worthless toys, fix your damn games, improve the damn security, and take down these f***ing bot hosters. We love your game, so f***ing fix it.
I'd say, just be glad TF2 is still around, from Valve's view there is probably little reason to keep supporting a game that is, relatively speaking, dead and probably doesn't make much money. Add in the fact that the code is extremely spaghettified, which makes it hard to make any change without breaking a bunch of things, not to mention making a system to deal with hackers. It's probably more likely that they would make a TF3, but then again, Valve would need a pretty good reason to do so.
If I were the TF2 community I'd see if it was possible to make a deal with Valve like the NS2 community did and have the game and possible TF3 development handed over to the community with volunteers continuing development.
Hes a bit angry because this isnt VALVE's game its our childhood and we are actually trying to protect it. Thats the thing.
I feel like there should be a new game made by the tf2 community to pay their respect to once one of the best free to play games giving the same energy and enjoyment. Made by people who actually care.
2:39 heavy appears with a one of a kind unusual? Thats the haunted ghosts spine chilling skull that was given to a 11 year old fighting cancer, is that real?
monkey sounds so frightening when hes serious and not goofing in his videos
The only reason why Valve does keep the servers running is because of the steam community market, if tf2 was no longer online and the servers were shutdown, it would make every item lose all value to the point where it'll affect other games in some sense so it'd pretty much burn a lot of money for valve, that's my theory on why valve just keeps doing the bare minimum and keeps it running and why we only get seasonal updates, which are usually tied to a seasonal/holiday sale.
It would create a precedent and scare a lot of ppl into selling their items...
Copy and pasting a game into Sandbox is not modding, that's just theft. Cope all you want, but Valve was in the right to DMCA that team. Even Garry said that old Valve wouldn't let that shit fly. I've grown to hate the TF2 community because VNN has made everyone whiney children that rage for no reason.
What is vnn? Never in my life have I heard it
@@pusiek3602 Valve News Network, dude who runs it is Tyler McVicker IIRC
@@pusiek3602 Valve news network, aka Tyler McVicker
From what I’ve heard, Valve did actually warn the ‘developers’ of TF2S2 to stop making it, and they’d get back to them if they were allowed to continue. Then the TF2S2 team said to valve something along the lines of “if you don’t get back to us soon we’ll just take that as a yes and keep making it”. So if this is true, then I really have no sympathy for them whatsoever.
I feel like this argument loses a lot of ground because people frame it as being theft of the game files. The problem this has actually curtailed is the actual, ultimate goal of S2TF2, which is that it has success. Success meaning, in it's extremes, that _everyone_ switches from TF2 to S2TF2. In this case, TF2 would stop being profitable to Valve, the defacto creators of 90% of all the asset manhours in S2TF2. The logical answer is either to take down what is now objectively a detriment to themselves, or taking over the project. The latter would be a more PR-healthy option, but Valves hiring practices would eventually just leave S2TF2 abandoned.
This is all a scenario of hypothetical extremes, but you have to consider that there are only two actual scenarios:
- Valve lets S2TF2 achieve total victory, at a great loss for themselves and relinquishing control of a piece of art, a moneymaker and part of their identity as a video game studio.
- Valve capsizes the project, either by taking over and flushing out the actual developers, or taking down the project as a whole. The former option is only viable when it's in a state where S2TF2 has already usurped TF2s position.
You can argue that S2TF2 only wants to be a sideproject, but it's fundamental design intentions still make it an attempt at "bigger and better".
Saying you don't want to compete doesn't mean you aren't competing.
There is one option we *might* have.
Cut their income of money, and I mean ALL money, not just tf2. If it's only tf2 then they shut it down completely. But make it so they don't get any money from all of steam? Not that is a blow they won't take lightly.
No, don't ask me how to do it, I have literally zero idea. I simply stated the one thing that keeps Valve being crap is money, and without it, they will become desperate.
lifting the metaphorical rock and peeking into the tf2 community and seeing it still being an absolute maldfest full of bandkids who are now overgrown is depressing
No company is ever your friend
Aside from the sad situation that just gets more sad for TF2, this is the first time I'm hearing Mokey speak English
Edit : Mönkey
apparently, nobody really understood the full explanation... the devs of TF2S2 were already one foot out the door because the project was gonna be annihilated in the next update anyway.
I feel like people often forgets that Valve basically operates as a very weird rich indie dev studio... Valve has an absurdly small team of developers, a very weird 'structure of power' if you can even call it that, and their work ethic is basically "someone here will do it if they feel like it"
Funny thing about Valve is that, CSGO used to be abandon as well for the past 8 years ago until Valorant came out. Some content creator and pro player decided to swap to Valorant only then they started to care for the game. Started giving out more update, try to balance the game more, more operations/content for the player. They kept updating Dota even though there's other game where they get their revenue from but only when their game is in danger of people completely abandoning it they started to give out some promising update.
I didn't play tf2 for 3 years and I wanna say that despite this video is released 3 hours ago, it's already 3 years old ;(
i think the most effective thing is if the tf2 fanbase boycotts the game and doesn't play it for an extended period of time until we hear anything from valve about the game's status
TF2 Source 2 wasn't meant to just be a direct port of TF2. It was made to be a base for other modders to make TF2 projects without the restrictions of Source 1. Fixing bugs and making it pretty was just a side objective.
When i joined this community I didnt expect to be stuck in a stranglehold like this.
I lurked I would never play the game but how passionate and creative the community was, sucked me in.
I wish I didn't wait so long to play this wonderul game but it's probably time for it to be over.
Bro really beating the algorithm with this one
MORE UNUSUALS, MORE UNUSUALS, MORE UNUSUALS.
DADDY VALVE PLS, MORE UNUSUALS!!11!