Renewal of Creation: With N.T. Wright
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- Renewal of Creation: With N.T. Wright
NT Wright is one of the world’s most renowned Bible scholars, and he joins us in this episode to talk about the renewal of all things. Learn in this episode why the resurrection of Jesus Christ is the linchpin for God’s new creation, which is continuing to unravel through the Spirit-empowered ministry of God’s people, until the day Jesus returns to redeem the entire cosmos-in what Scripture calls, “the New Heavens and New Earth.” Come away from this episode with clarified misconceptions about the afterlife, and with a more profound appreciation for the grand scheme of God’s redemptive plan, from Genesis to Revelation.
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This is excellent 🙂
Enjoyed hearing NT Wright. Now bring on OT Wright.
😂 lame... and great ....😂
That would be Dr. Christopher J Wright(no relation to NT Wright)
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Lol!
NT Wright is my favorite theologian please do more videos with him.
I appreciate having subtitles because I like to be sure of what I hear as I'm not American. I like this program, I'm watching you from Morocco
He is such an amazing gift to us!
You guys manage to get prominent guests on. That makes your chanel so good.
Paul Robinson thanks bro. We’re trying 😆
THEY DONT KNOW SHIT...
"Jesus is the place where heaven and earth meet." So much 🔥Jesus is perfect theology.
NT's take on the spectrum of biblical history: that is, the story of reality from go to 'go full on' (i.e. the New Creation) is wonderful and refreshing. It really puts wheels on what I learned as a child in the Apostles Creed ('the resurrection of the body') and the Lord's Prayer ('your will be done on earth').
What needs to be emphasized, IMO, is that the 'coming together' of heaven - God's domain, and earth - the domain he has made for us to know him within; starts concretely and actually in Genesis 1. The communion between God and mankind is not symbolic or metaphorical, but concrete. Genesis 3:8 crystalizes this. God's domain (a non-spatial, non-extended domain of his being) overlaps, interpenetrates and enlivens our domain.
Genesis 1 places the creation both in history, denoted by specifically enumerated and delimited days of the creation sequence and places God in direct connection with his creation: he speaks (itself an act of communion), it happens and is evaluated: acts showing us the rational causality of his nature. Materialist, neoplatonic and pagan conceptions of origins are blown out the window by this passage of intensely personal interaction and commitment. The days set the frame of reference for our understanding of God, his creation and our relationships with him. It is not framed as symbolic or figurative, but as historically objective events in space and time; the space and time he created for it.
The creation account prohibits 'interpretations' that dissolve God into the creation (such as does theistic evolution), that remove God from the creation (deism, and neoplatonist frameworks), or interpose intermediaries between God and his creation (again, theistic evolution, but also a tendency of so-called 'long age' creation). The only intermediary is Christ (Colossians 1:16, 17). It also defeats 'creation made itself' with the impersonal 'spirituality' of paganism.
The account shows the intimate warmth and love of God the creator for his creation and the creatures-in-his-image, made, as the Westminster Catechism so nicely puts it (and I am not 'reformed'): 'to enjoy him forever'. The creation account is a realist account. Not a symbolic one, as though materialist assumptions could have any credibility!
Next time you interview N.T. Wright, can you ask him to read one or both of these lines?
"Who now has the strength to stand against the armies of Isengard ... and Mordor?"
"Good. Twice the pride, double the fall."
I love that Dr. Wright understands the platonic philosophy that's embedded in Christian tradition - and creeds.
Thanks for hosting the conversation with N.T. Wright!
So sorry this discussion had to end great questions and dialogue God bless love listening to NT Wright . Brian from Dublin Ireland
Thank the Lord for Tom Wright. He's saying it as it is. Yes, God is coming to live with us, not the other way around. ❤
What he said actually brought me to tears.
This video is a blessing to me like i could never have imagined. Thank so much. I can't express how much.
Thanks guys! As we get closer to the day of our Lord's return, more clarity is being revealed through scholars like N.T. Wright and podcasts like Remnant Radio!
Excellent as always! Blessing to have him on your show.
Thank you for allowing NT the freedom to unpack and elaborate on his answers to your questions! Great questions, brilliant answers! Keep up the great job !
A brilliant watch. Well done the hosts of this show, and well done NT Wright for helping us to see things much more clearly. God is to be praised.
That library is very intimidating 😄
👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽 I'm a big fan of N.T. Wright and his ministry. What a powerful discussion guys. Respect to you both for this channel and your humility to discuss these topics.
NT Wright is just a teacher that has a presence that makes people shut up and listen. Love his material 🤟🏻
What a wonderful video! N.T. is never short on deeply important insights that some of us "mere mortals" don't see until he opens our eyes.
N.T. Wright is so persceptive that helps US to get in the Spirit.
This is awesome and answers so many questions! For example, this perspective speaks to the relationship of Israel to Christ and to the Church; the relationship of earth and heaven, the land of Israel to the whole earth; the centrality of temple imagery - where God meets with His people; and the relationship of the earthly and national promises of the OT to the spiritual and eternal promises of the NT.
What refreshing charming gentlemen and brother. Loved this session
Bishop Nicholas Thomas "Tom" Wright, an apostle of our time. Hear him in all his gentleness.
How God Became King was such a great book
I love the summing up at the end that Jesus came to redeem the world not just rescue it.
You need to have N.T. Wright on again. He is an incredible scholar.
Tom Wright is a man of substance. Something comes from something.
Great show today, I've just recently been listening to N.T. Wright. Many of his lectures and what I've come to realize is that he puts theology to a lot of what I hear from speakers like Dan Mohler, Bill Johnson and Todd White. Going out and being the church, making God known in our everyday actions, which Christians should have no problem agreeing with. N.T. Wright seems to put the theology and history together in terms for my understanding. Glad he was able to be apart of the Remnant Radio guest, thanks for the show.
I've listened to many sermons by Bill Johnson and Todd White. While I appreciate their zeal for God, I really do think they have a false understanding of the New Creation that Tom Wright is talking about here. Jesus in his ministry promoted humility as a way of ruling--not dominion; He taught that true prosperity is in the act of generosity of time and money to the poor and helpless--not investing money and time to a "church" movement so that you'll receive your blessing that you "declare"; and He also warned of false teaching that would come in His name. Please research and be open minded that some of what Bill Johnson and Todd White teaches is false. Here's a video that I think is helpful: czcams.com/video/r3tEv26OMTU/video.html
Sure wording and understanding may be different in all our ministries. Being perfect in word was the warning James gave, that not many of us should be teachers for this reason of being judged for every word. I don’t understand everything the same as Bill or Todd, however the aim of our instruction is love and we want to be able to unify in the faith so that we can bear fuller witness to Christ. I think believing God’s word above our experiences or circumstances is the clearest display of humility. It’s easy to go along with what you see and feel, but to believe God in face of everything is to be humble under his mighty hand. N.T seems to put things in great ways that I personally can comprehend and follow, the clarity causes my heart to burn. I say amen for your concern and heart for God’s family. I hear you and understand your exhortation for caution. Seeing dimly makes it clear we can be misunderstood or misheard. A pure heart with pure intention is what I hear in your words, thanks.
Stephen Wooten, did you have time to watch the video from Mike Winger that looks at Bill Johnson's teachings from a biblical overview? Here's another one that he put together that includes Todd White: czcams.com/video/je20XTohCNo/video.html
@@songsgardensbyjenniferlynn3242 Yes, I have watched Mike Winger's video speaking of Bill Johnson. I understand some concerns mentioned, however as I stated in my last reply I don't understand everything the same as Bill or Todd, yet I don't consign them false. What seems to happen is we tend to lose the possible heart of what some ministries are going after, because we understand a doctrine differently and then we write them off. In fact I used to be that way, I will not go back to seeing men like trees and burning them up with my tongue. Most followers of Jesus, true followers are doing the best they can as they see through a glass dimly. We are growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ and knowing the truth is what is making us free in him. Not knowing truthit hurts us in whatever area we aren't applying it, revelation can take time or be made known in a moment. If these men are wrong in something we should certainly pray for them and not abuse them. This being the heart of God and way of Christ Jesus. Meanwhile I don't look to any of them, I seek to hear Jesus and follow him alone, yet it is nice when men or women represent him as an imagine bearer of truth. Considering most people think of Bill Johnson's ministry as one that allows for strange things to happen. Yet, when I consider a donkey talking, the sun standing still, Saul stripping off his clothes when the Spirit of God was upon him 1 Sam.19:24 and what God required Ezekiel to do as a sign for the people and on we could go. These are simply God's intervention on earth among his people. I say, there is a lot that goes on that I can't answer for God's means, yet I can find his purpose most the time in bringing men into freedom from sin and alive in the truth, in Christ Jesus as he brings them to himself. I want to unify with my Fathers family and be careful not to distance myself out of ignorance because I can't explain or discribe why God does something. Once again I thank you for the conversation and concern, may we follow Jesus as he commanded.
Bill Johnson???
This was great. Thanks for this episode, made a lot of sense.
Great watch. Thanks
Heaven means a lifted up place, the presence ,power ,mind of God
This is awesome... Thanks
I love this guy!
Wow. N.T. Wright!
Awesome work, guys, great channel.
Great video, keep theses vids up guys
Right on!
Let your kingdom come
Awesome
The Earth will be renewed (transfigured) and return to its paradisiacal glory when the Savior will reign in glory.
Great episode! Great questions and great answers. The hour flew by! NT is a like a Jedi of scholars lol. Awesome that he did this. On a side note: I think it would be great if you guys took some more time after the interview to dialogue amongst yourselves your thoughts on what was discussed. Keep up the great work!!
Great interview. Thank you. It would be great to see Malcolm Smith if you ever have a chance.
Thank you N T Wright sir. You have been a blessing for us all who listen to you. Thank you Remnant radio for hosting this talk. I have a question. When it was said that Jesus after resurrection was in the new body, it is sarx that you are talking about? is this how wee can differentiate between soma and sarx? i know i am 2yrs late ;) just posting the question, if you could see and reply to this...
Excellant!
Hey Josh, I always see your shirt in that picture on your wall from time to time and can't help but think about me and my brother being called out many times for being professional athletes/fighters and being in the Christian faith. Me and my brother Michael McDonald are bellator and UFC veterans and multiple world champions. We've competed against the best in the world. My brother in particular has faced many trials in the UFC being a Christian. he almost beat Mike Tyson's record of being the youngest world champion in a combat sport in the history of our planet coming up short competing for the UFC world title in England at the age of 21. If you guys would ever like to discuss being a fighter and a Christian let me know and we'd be happy to talk. God bless.
Would be interesting in a way. I see lots of tattoos of crosses on some of the today's top fighters but don't see them professing their faith or showing it in practice. Ferguson, Gaethje and McGregor come to mind.
@@betrion7 check out my younger brother Michael mayday McDonald
@@betrion7 McGregor actually strikes me as a European and/or Irish pagan based on some of his instagram posts. Like he had one where he talked about "calling back" or "summoning back" all of "his powers". That could be the case with many of them.
@@blanktrigger8863 Oh for sure, Tyson Fury and just 2 days ago, Michael Chandler (in press conference after the fight) are the only two modern fighters that seem not to be ashamed professing their faith which is nice to see.
@@justinsmitley7619 Pretty amazing! Smiles a lot, your brother. Wish you all the best! I was not aware of him before but I'm not a huge fighting fan by any means.
Neither pre, post or A, we should be MILLENNIALISTS. The Kingdom is here and now in one way, and then and there in another way.
Love this. It makes scriptural sense. The rapture and the interpretations of end time prophesies accepted by most today, do not make scriptural sense. Jesus is appearing to millions in the Middle East and Africa. He is giving dreams and visions. He is doing miracles. He is here, yet on His throne. The Comforter is busy on earth. He left, but He is here.
I had heard bad things about this man. The reports were wrong. I like him and agree.
There is a joke about NT. Someone called and asked to speak to Wright. The receptionist said that he was writing a book. The caller responded, "I'll wait."
I love that man!
Read Gentry's "He Shall Have Dominion" Like Wright said, it makes Biblical sense.
30min25- sec in. I have this question. Did Bach try to make the changes to music as a christian or was he simply just worshipping God and we now found the impact it made. Did schooling take place because we want to be christian in schooling or was it just something we did to get people to have an understanding of the Gospel and the books about the Gospel, the discovery of God. This changes everything I would like to think. How are we christians. I would say we don't know, we believe and He lives and as we look back we see what He did. I would appreciate some comments if someone feels to comment. Thanks so much.
I don't know about Bach, but if you look at the history behind the second question, the Protestant push for increased literacy was driven by a desire for the common man to have bibles, due to a disbelief in group salvation theology. So it was the desire for people to understand the Gospel that drove the change in schooling. On the flip side, with the Catholics who came before the Protestants, the construction of universities was driven by a more general desire to understand God by understanding Creation. So that was also driven by the Gospel.
A gambit is a kind of sacrifice, while a gamut is a range.
I’ve been hearing Jeff Durbin, Douglas Wilson and Joseph Boot saying the same thing that Wright just said.
Hmmm… Maybe listen again. Wright actually addresses why post millennialism doesn’t work.
@@chaddonal4331 whats the times stamp?
I didn’t listen to the entire video
@@chaddonal4331 he definitely gets lumped in with the post mills at times.
46:44 comment on rapture and dispensationalism being false concepts
38:20- Creation waits for the manifestation of the sons, yes, but as we read on we see that we are also waiting and groaning. Those that will rule with the Lord are those that will partake of the resurrection that is yet to come. This is Rom 8. Jumping the gun can get us where satan got Adam and where he wanted to take Jesus when tempted in the desert.
Amazing interview. Wow. Thank God for N.T. Wright, and for you guys bringing him on the show..
I would really like to hear a conversation between him and Steven Bancarz, discussing the intersection of heaven& earth. Would y'all be open to doing a dual dialogue?
It would also be interesting to hear him speak to Richard Rohr (on the other end of the spectrum), as N.T. may have the gravity to ground Richard in Scriptural accuracy. (I think Richard Rohr is merely over correcting from the plutonic/gnostic splitting of matter &heaven. Over correcting so hard the pendulum has swung into just as much error on the other heretical side.
Thanks, blessing, and peace with you all
NT still pounding away at the Scriptures with his profoundly individualistic perspective.
I've listened a lot to Wright over the years and this is actually the first time I hear this accusation. Earlier today I was listening to his 'Ask N.T. Wright anything' podcast where he talked about the corporate nature of the faith (in relationship to baptism by the way) and how the Reformation resulted in individualistic impulses and Wright considered that a negative. In his Pauline studies, he emphasized three key aspects of Jewish 2nd temple identity: the one God, the people of God and the future of God (monotheism, election and eschatology) and Wright works out how Paul applies the second bit - election, the People - to the new Christian communities. From my perspective, Wright is not individualistic at all; on the contrary.
My question is, what happens when we die? If we are already in heaven so to speak..
We await the resurrection and the New Creation, after which we will experience Creation as it was intended.
Quality. And to grapple with that stuff leaves America's christianity one heck of a problem!
NT Write’s bookshelves are making me jealous- I want to find some like that to put my books on.
Nobody can explain God.
We are in the new heavens and new earth now. The prophecy centered around the house of Israel. They went from being surrounded in darkness, to darkness being removed (which we all experience from day one). We are also no longer under the old covenant. The Jerusalem is now above, Galatians 4;26.
I cannot understand how what Brother N.T. is not jumping the gun in saying the answer is through us, the setting right is through us. We are not even set right as we are still mortals. Can we not rather say that whatever God does through us is in preparation of the justification that will manifest in the last day.
Dynamic Love Ministries our church refers to your question as “already but not yet” or “inaugurated but not consummated “.
It's very much jumping the gun. The bible doesn't call us to establish the kingdom of YHWH on earth. As Daniel says, it will not be by the hands of men. As Revelation shows us, it will be by Yeshua speaking a word (the sword from his mouth), which Paul also speaks about as "he will destroy him by the breath of his mouth", or something along those lines.
Where do I get the text of Professor NT Wright's interview?
Seconded. Without buying a professional transcription app or software.
The Apostle Paul said that he spoke in tongues more than you all. I think that was a good part of the reason Paul wrote more inspired literature than most others. When a person prays privately in tongues, often the interpretation comes out as writing. NT also prays in tongues. Hint.
@ 33:40- it is all good but I have a question. Unbelievers do the same, how are we church if the unbeliever does the same thing as what out beloved NT states, things like caring for the poor? There must be something more than this is it not?
This was a question I’ve also struggled with. I recently read Kingdom Conspiracy by Scot McKnight. He clearly addresses the question of good works and kingdom work. I will be reading it again. The one big thing the book left me with is how much Jesus loves the church and how united we are with him.
This is a great question. There are far too many of us who are good people and not transformed souls. This is the difference.
We need the fullness of the power of the HOLY UNCTION (PLEROMA) to go beyond the Outer Court and a distorted Pseudo-Christ who cannot heal us. Our Holy of Holies needs to be developed by genuine apostolic teachers who have the ability to open our matrix and plant God's SEED in our minds. We need High Priests who know how to translate behind the veil and lift up the lid on the Ark of the Covenant to access and feed us the hidden manna. Otherwise, most of the Church will remain in the lesser mysteries and never grow into the greater and higher mysteries.
From my own experience, I find that the ones who have gone beyond Christian form are the Lone Ranger Elijah ministries. They have the meat and blood of God's Word. They teach verse-by-verse and open our hearts to see what is behind the veil of every scripture until we come face to face with the pure and genuine Christ.
Since NT Wright believes God took billions of years to evolve the original Earth, how long does NT Wright estimate it will take God to create the New Earth?
Like Nathaniel Will You Show us the God Almighty Lord's or Catholics...
When in doubt, listen to Bach.
If Jesus said the temple is nothing and it’ll be destroyed anyways, why is it that many churches waste so much money on elaborate buildings still??
Are we not the temples of the Holy God??
Why do we still put so much emphasis in buildings?!
Did Wright just wake up and gave the interview?
He’s that good!
"Elements in 2 Peter 3
The Greek word for elements is stoikion . It appears seven times in the New Testament. Two times occur in 2 Peter 3. In context stoikion never refers to the physical world or the elements on the periodic table, but always denotes the elementary principles of the Old Covenant. The Bible is a covenantal book from Genesis to Revelation and 2 Peter 3 is also covenantal. It is using symbolic apocalyptic langauge to describe the transition of the from Old to New Covenant in 70 A.D.
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2 Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements [stoikion] will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
2 Peter 3:12
12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements [stoikion] will melt with fervent heat?
Galatians 4:3
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements [stoikion] of the world.
Galatians 4:9
9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements [stoikion], to which you desire again to be in bondage?
Colossians 2:8
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles [stoikion] of the world, and not according to Christ.
Colossians 2:20
20 Therefore,[a] if you died with Christ from the basic principles [stoikion] of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations-
Hebrews 5:12
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles [stoikion] of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
Where will Jesus return?
Middle east
Yes
Tom Holland is now Christian? Praise God, next guest for the show wooo! (obviously I can only suggest future guests lol)
I wonder what Wright based said sentiment on. Has Tom Holland recently mentioned something in this regard? If it is true, that is fantastic.
@@MojoPin1983 agreed
Christian or not, when Tom Holland explains the gospel I want to convert again
where are the miracles ?
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. (Matthew 5:17-18 NKJV)
Do you believe that heaven and earth have not passed away yet? If you do, do you also
believe that we are still under every jot and tittle of the law? Logically speaking you must
believe that we are still under every jot and tittle of the law if heaven and earth have not passed away yet.
The phrase "heavens and earth" is covenantal language. It is not referring to the physical heavens and earth. The Old Heavens and Earth was the Old Covenant and the New Heavens and Earth is the New Covenant where righteousness dwells. Christians are the New Creation and the New Heavens and Earth. Once again, the concept is spiritual/covenantal, not physical/literal.
Brothers, the End is Coming!!!! This is the Gospel of the Kingdom ( Matthew 24:14 ) Hebrews 11 / the people desired a better Country a better City whose builder and Maker is God. Revelation 21:1,2 OH MY GOD!! The Good News of the Kingdom has Started!!!! THIS IS DIFFERENT AND ITS THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!! MATTHEW 4 / the people who sat in darkness have seen a great LIGHT!! ( Today ) people are going through the same thing and living in the shadow of death ( virus and other life issues ) today. THEN JESUS SPEAKS!!!!!!! REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!!( NEAR ) WORLD THE TIME HAS COME!!! Please wake up and accept Jesus Today as your Lord and SAVIOUR!!
How do these people justify:
2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
So even though he sees Jesus as a resurrected man in heaven where He now lives, this somehow is not our ultimate hope? Abraham was a pilgrim in the earth who looked for a heavenly country. That is the country where we find Jesus alive and well in BODILY form. And when we see Him we will be like him - not as disemodied "souls' but just like He is forevermore!
The big flaw with your view is that Yeshua is only in heaven for a time. He will return to earth and will reign on earth from New Jerusalem. The bible also clearly depicts the resurrected saints as living on the New Earth. Or more accurately, Heaven and Earth will be reunited (ergo the temple language). Also, NT Wright doesn't teach the disembodied spirit view, which is pagan. He teaches the properly Jewish view of a resurrection in bodily form.
@@blanktrigger8863 It would be good to see your scriptural support for all those ideas. I said nothing about disembodied spirts, in fact I said resurrection in bodily form is to heaven. And I used Jesus as my example.
@@robinq5511 You said "not as disembodied souls", which is what I was responding to. Wright doesn't believe in disembodied souls. That said, you have no scriptural support so why are you asking for it? The answer: because your know you're wrong. No need to complicate things. But if you need Scripture, read Revelation as a first example - as I mentioned New Jerusalem us on earth. Read Isaiah up to the end as a last example. Ezekiel ends similar to Isaiah, so reading through that is another example. There is no concept of being in heaven foreover, which was introduced by platonism and gnosticism.
@@blanktrigger8863 I have a few: Rom 6:8, 1Cor 15:49-50; 2 Cor 5:8-9; Rev 3:21 and last but not least is John 11:25-26
Death will not separate us from Christ, the gift of the Holy Spirit is the promise we have for that.
@@robinq5511 Romans 6:8 says nothing about living in heaven forever. 1 Corinthians 15:49 says nothing about living in heaven forever. 2 Corinthians 5:8-9 says nothing about living in heaven forever. Revelation 3:21 says nothing about living in heaven forever. John 11:25-26 says nothing about living in heaven forever.
Compare these to the books I mentioned which end with the resurrection into the New Creation and eternal life lived out on the New Earth and you can easily see that you're misinterpreting these verses. The spirit heaven place comes from paganism, namely platonism and gnosticism.
OT Wright 😂 That would be Walter Kaiser
Messiah liberates Xians to liberate others. Gospel preached to all the (usually rebellious) nations which will be judged. Ekklesia (a global network of communities of the faithing) is like castles on enemy territory (not buildings per se, but #SojourneyingShekinahShrines ). Psalms are exorcism tech (DSS). The Spirit reverses the curses (Heiser). A Remnant of Israel (Paul in Romans) and a Remnant of those from the Nations (James Acts 15) make up the one new humanity -- the body of Xrist. #ProphethoodOfAllBelievers prophesy is the witness of Jesus (dreams, visions, scripture, edification, etc.) Note: sin and debt are overlapping thoughts in oldy timey Levantine theology. We don't talk about modern Jubilee because we believe in scarcity (ultracapitalist Mammon worship #Greed vs. Work to give to those in need) rather than a manna providing Spirit / Name and the kosmos is awash in corporate obligations and governmental debt politicians will not speak of (elections).
He mentions Revelation ch. 22, where heaven and earth are joined. It looks to me as if, like Eden, this Holy city is the only spot on earth, where heaven and earth are joined as one. The entirety of all creation, at least in respect to lots of yet to be restored people - seem to be living outside the City's walls. Revelation 22:2 says "And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations." (nations not yet made a new creation?) And in Revelation 22:15 "Outside are the dogs, those who practice........"
My thinking is that God - along with we His priests, will work together in mopping up or finishing the work of making ALL things new.
Heretofore, I've thought that once Jesus returns, everything in the cosmos would be altogether restored - all at once! I'm rethinking that assumption.
The Apostle Paul was not being "Platonic" when he wrote of his desire to be absent from the body and present with the Lord, and of departing to be with Christ, and of being caught up to paradise out of the body. Wright is perpetually dismissing the reality of the Christian soul going to heaven at death. There is an entrance of the soul into glory before the resurrection of the body. The martyrs did not hasten to their deaths with the grim thought that they would have to spend thousands of years in some unsatisfactory condition. No, they knew, like Stephen, that the Lord would receive their spirits into the unspeakable joy of heaven.
You have a point.
But N T Does explain what the long term solution would be as people
Are meant to come back to earth after having been in heaven.
Have you heard/read that?
But I have been greatly surprised that he is not more hated for what he actually says. It is very controversial
NT Wright doesn’t deny that at all
I think you are confusing immediate hope with ultimate hope.
Sorry, it just gets to me every time you say "the whole gambit"😅😂 what you want to say is "the whole gamut" 👍🏻👍🏻
Renewal? It was never perfect or devoid of violence and predation. Early homo sapiens were hunters and gatherers in clans and tribes. If there were any "Fall," it was a descent into agriculture and civilization.
In the beginning, the world, the people, became a wasteland, empty and void of understanding. After the sacrifice, Jesus needs a highway in that same wasteland of existence. Never to return to corruption (Act 13:34 NABO) He found them in that wasteland and his spirit hovered over the Abyss and shielded them as the apple of his eye. Jesus began his work of the salvation of David, the Morning Star, as the first Adam. He wields the fiery sword guarding the way to the tree of life on the day of vengeance AS judgment, setting up the abomination of desolation in him, the temple without one stone left standing upon another. He then returns, within the same generation, from this Holocaust, with the chastisements of God, the just demands of the law according to the spirit, placed on him to fulfill the way of the Lord in the desert.
The first creation story then continues with the New Heavens and New Earth. God said: "Let there be light," Thus evening came, and morning followed-- the first day. (Gen 1:3-5 NABO) The glory of God gave it light, and its lamp was the Lamb (Rev 21:23 NABO). The sun and moon created on the fourth day are the Shining One, David, the Morning Star, and his Bride. On the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall, the light of the moon will be like that of the sun and the light of the sun will be seven times greater (like the light of seven days). (Isa 30:25-26 NABO)
When the fig tree's leaves become tender and sprout leaves, you know summer is near. In the same way, when you see the abomination of desolation set up in him, the temple without one stne left standing upon another, you know that he is near. The man planted a fig tree in his garden, and for three years came looking for fruit on it. Not finding any, he was going to cut it down and remove it from the soil. He was convinced to leave it and allow it to be cultivated and fertilized. When he comes upon the fig tree, he finds only leaves on it, not fruit, and curses it. Christians have adorned it with artificial fruit.
The Messiah is portrayed as crucified.
O stupid Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? (Gal 3:1 NABO)
Are you so stupid? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh? (Gal 3:3 NABO)
Churches have ended with Jesus being crucified in the flesh. I’ve never seen Isaiah 40:3 put into context with Isaiah 40:2:
Sacrifice:
-Indeed, she has received from the hand of the LORD double for all her sins. (Isa 40:2 NABO)
Resurrection:
-Make straight in the wasteland a highway for our God! (Isa 40:3 NABO)
Just as it is appointed that human beings die - be judged - appear a second time, (so also Christ) Heb 9:27-28.
Master of the Demon Sin:
If you do well, you can hold up your head; but if not, sin is a demon lurking at the door: his urge is toward you, yet you can be his master. (Gen 4:7 NABO)
Who, robed in splendor, judges nations, crushes heads across the wide earth, Who drinks from the brook by the wayside and thus holds high the head. (Psa 110:6-7 NABO)
The micro and the macro ! ?
A single human being is the micro in which Christ's death and resurrection restoration/reconciliation is achieved.
The whole creation (heaven and earth) is the macro of the same process.
The devil is in the details !
Romans 8:18-24, 1 Corinthians 15:26-28, colossians 1:16-28
Shalom 🙏
So did an N T declare himself a post millennial
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Christianity. A belief that one man died on the cross for your sins. And countless billions roast in the fires of Hell, if you doubt it.
Not if you doubt it, but if you continue in sin… belief alone is not enough
Paul is not recorded in any works of the first century outside of the Bible. So, you see, Paul is no more a person than Jesus Christ, Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob. These are simply names of eternal states of consciousness; and when you reach the state of Paul, the mystery of Jesus Christ will unfold within you and you will be set free.
Sounds gnostic...
Wright's belief that the man, Yehoshua, was possessed by YHWH, and that Yehoshua "often thought himself a lunatic" for obeying this god inside his head...are of great concern. This should be a red flag for anyone (every believer) that believes that Christ existed before Yehoshua's physical birth, and that he is the Son of God and also an I AM. This is the first time I have 'listened' to NT and I must say he is very good with the use of the right words to give himself the opportunity for several different meanings. The archbishop of cranberry should never be praised as that is not a man but a position of the pantheist catholics (although very popular). The works of God are always there for my physical benifit (although very popular)....is certainly not true. Heaven and Earth passing away is metaphorical...how do you know? The problem with western thought... (oh how trendy to say)...Is that suggesting that your thought is divine? Never once did he state that he did not know or that this is his theory, he only stated that others are wrong and that he is right, most importantly not through divine revelations but through his study. Only a Sith speaks in absolutes...or a pharisee.
@70AD Although Josephus offers much historical truth, I cannot justify doctrine being created from his writings. The most holy place was the the spiritual and heavenly presence of YHWH...that's what made it holy, not it's symbolism. I have not heard of the other parts of the temple symbolizing heavens, land, and sea...is there scripture suggesting this?
There is not enough evidence in the scriptures to declare either way so I must remain in limbo....which is OK.
@@peoplsrepublcOcali sad that you don't see that Yeshua was there in the Beginning. He IS the word of Yahweh.
@@RKay-ku1ni Maybe my wording was confusing, but I see clearly that Christ was there in the beginning, he is the Son of YHWH and is the Word. It is Wright that preaches on his "scholarly twists" as absolute doctrine. Wright stated very clearly, without retraction, that he believes the Son of YHWH (who was there in the beginning) thought himself a "lunatic" to believe and obey the instructions of YHWH. Which christ are we preaching then? Hopefully He finds Wright because I don't think He will answer a prayer addressed to the "the ordinary man who thought himself a lunatic".
Very dangerous to consider any man an absolute expert on interpreting scripture, and any man that claims to be an absolute expert should be treated as a deceiver (not that you cant learn something from deceivers). Let me make it clear that the Bible is not the Word but a representation of the Word. I do cherish the Bible, but Bible worship is becoming very popular. Simple example: you can call Cephas, Peter but we should never call Christ, Jesus, as that is not what YHWH commanded that we call him, therefore the Bible may not just be wrong at rare times, but can be morally wrong as well. We need revelation, and the Holy Spirit above all, and should not be turning the Scriptures into a graven image of our Lord and Savior, but using the Scriptures to seek our actual Lord and Savior.
Tom Wright's answer to theodicy lacks bite, because his conception of the kingdom of God on earth and the work of the church toward the kingdom is so vague and complacent, really. It seems very much like an argument backwards from the conclusion that whatever the church is like now, whatever the churches are doing now, is what God intended, and is the correct way to pursue and build the kingdom of God. That's a dangerously tendentious and unfounded assumption, as well as deeply conservative, and especially conservative in relation to the false, arbitrary and unbiblical division of so-called "religious" from so-called secular, and in relation to socio-economic and socio-political reality. It sounds very much like saying. Christianity has changed the world through Christian charity, which demonstrably has not changed the world in terms of fundamental inequality and the processes which create and worsen it. Inequality is worse now than it has ever been in human history. Necessarily charity does not change the world, because for charity to occur, some rich people have to give some money for the help of those in, or with, pitiable conditions. It depends on inequality, rather than resolving it, and in that it gives the rich a way to launder their wickedness and purchase honour and fame for themselves, it's just another market process which re-inforces inequality and the heretical approbation of the rich and of personal wealth in general. Ostentatious charity is another form of luxury, which is both vice and the propaganda of vice. Charity is only valuable for the rich so long as other people are reduced to pitiable conditions - all their other transactions, policy influence and business decisions enforce pitiable conditions. Charity is only substantial if and when the rich get involved, so charities are corrupted and become defenders of the broad status quo inevitably and axiomatically. They cannot offend the donors upon which they depend, just like American polticians. Revolution is bad for charities' business, so the actual eradication of poverty must be perpetually postponed and not campaigned for, since poverty and riches are correlative conditions. The former cannot be eliminated without eliminating the latter, and such cannot be voiced. So NT Wright's conception of the kingdom of God actually falsifies the Gospel, by offering no actual good news to the poor of transformation of their material circumstances at the expense of the rich and the wicked (one and the same category in Proverbs), of the kinds Jesus gave specific examples of in the parables.
ISAEL GETS A 1000 YEAR KINGDOM THEN THE JUDGEMENT DAY OF JESUS THEN THE NEXT DAY GOD COMES DOWN WITH HIS GRAND TEMPLE .....NO MUSLIMS JEWS ISLAM HINDU OR BUDDIST......EVEN MANY CHRISTIANS WILL DIE..
Too much book learning. Not enough Holy Spirit truth. Jesus said in John 14, “I’m going away to prepare a place for you and I’m going to come back and get you, so that where I am, there you may be also.” There is a place for us prepared for us and it isn’t here. The Jews inherit the earth. The church has a heavenly inheritance. We will return with Jesus at the second coming to reign with Christ for a thousand years.
The house of the Father is Jesus himself. He says this a few verses later (Verse 10). And so Verse 3 makes perfect sense: "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also". The Body of Christ is our dwelling. He includes all believers in Him. This he could only accomplish though His death. His death prepared our dwelling in Him.
Jesus said that in His Father's house are many 'mansions', and that He was going there to prepare a place for us. So our eternal afterlife, is in heaven, not on earth.
The earth will never be remade or regenerated: the physical realm will disappear as per 2 Pe 3:10. What will remain, will be spirit.
The New Heavens and New Earth in scripture, are simply a figure for our domain and blessedness in Christ. They have nothing to do with a recreation of anything.
In a nutshell, Wright's ideas are carnal: he is glorifying the material world.
@Super Erase Great to meet a like-minded Christian!
"Physical" and "carnal" are not the same thing.
@@Aion0154 They are the same thing if you are focused on either.
Congratulations, you sound like a gnostic.
Yahweh created paradise and through the death of Christ he wanted to restore his creation. This has nothing to do with materialism. It's His creation. 🤷🏻♀️