@@chaoabordo3399 before the boogeyman goes to bed he checks underneath for Chuck Norris, before Chuck Norris goes to bed he first checks for Francis Ngannou
He said he did that because he wanted to make it to the 10th round and was so concerned about making it to round 10 that he ended up not pressing the gas too much. He could have definitely finished Tyson in Rd 8-10 if he emptied the tank
@@arizonacolour8793no he couldn’t “definitely finish him if he emptied the tank” that’s why the professional fighter and world class trainers decided not “empty the tank”.
Francis didn't seem that excited about his performance either. If it was all legit and above board, he should have looked really happy. Instead the expression on his face both before and after reminded me of those astronauts at the press conference after the moon landing.
@@reedusurrights2547It really is bro, it's only the ref's count that matters. The ref should have counted quicker but had to waste time putting Ngannou in his corner, and it's extremely obvious that Fury was fine after the true 8 count anyways. If ref gives him longer then he's gonna take it, but don't act like Fury would have lost because of it. The elbow is a much more legit reason to get mad.
@@fathertedczynski extremely obvious? To who? you an uneducated CZcams commenter? If it was that obvious maybe the guy in the video who is an expert In the fight game would agree with you at all lol dumF tw at, you think this is rogans first boxing match he’s watched when he’s had Tyson fury on his podcast twice and used to talk about him being the baddest man on the planet until last weekend???
The main reason tyson struggled against Francis was because his main tactic of a fast forward moving flurry into a clinch wasnt working because francis was better when they clinched up
yes dont forget francis was controlling the range too he wasnt letting in tyson for free always hand fighting and threatening to counter even at long range.
And it makes sense that Francis would be, given he is an MMA fighter and he has to worry about a guy completely taking him down or throwing elbows in the clinch.
Few Key reasons why it was a rough night for Fury, 1.The Clinch, first time ever he has lost the clinch battle. 2. Parry the jab, francis did extremely well not letting furying the measure his jab as he always does. 4. Fury couldnt get Francis to bite on any of hes faints. Never seen that before. 5. Francis measured attack, Fury did not expect such a passive approach. 6.The Strength and Power of Francis- The only factor they rightfully would of gameplanned for but still i think he was stronger then anyone hes ever come up against. Fury never found his rythm in this fight and he under performed massively, Francis looked amazing & has come a long way with his fight iq.
@@sirhcmannix i would agree 100 percent, think also tyson found out quite early a hard punch from even his right hand didnt seem to bother ngannou, so couldnt drown him in the clinch, could walk him down with heavy shots, couldnt goad him with faints, couldnt hurt him, he had nothing left to turn too. i think tyson looked so bad cause he couldnt do all that he normaly dose, how could he not look bad.
Francis began his training as a boxer , then a kickboxer.kickboxing. he can walk through most punches. Noone walks through his punches. True combat sports fans knew Francis would win. There's no doubt he proved us correct. But there is NO way boxing would lose the lineal championship to MMA. the fix was in from the beginning.
so many things are amazing about this, imagine the nervousness and adrenaline dump and having to wait and wait and wait for that fight to FINALLY begin, and it's 12 weeks of training and weighing 270lbs and still not gassing and not gassing while a 270lb giant leans on you and you're punching up..haha Francis is a freak specimen, insane punching power and insane chin along with muscle that can still breathe pretty well and a mind that can handle that crazy situation..and this is at 37 and fighting the best fighter in the division in his prime-current champ, it seems Francis should be boxing, so many MMA fighters try this boxing stuff and look terrible, but Francis looked good
Yet all your mma are dying to do boxing because nobody wanna watch them rolling and humping each other on the ground 😂 And none of them can punch to save their lives, even Jake Paul schooled Nick diaz 😂
All professional fights are exhibitions, as there must be SOME kind of rule structure, otherwise it'll devolve into chaos, with your money makers (the fighters) at risk for the vague premise of "keeping it real."
What is actually cool about that match (I’m not calling it a fight) is that even though the judges robbed francis the world basically just recognizes the fact that he beat Tyson Fury
@morimch the clunt is at refs discretion and the ref may wait till the other fighter gets to their corner. Francis dancing for 10 seconds is why it was 22 seconds ya nerd
I''m going to say this again The one big mistake Francis made was to showboat and dance over Fury after he knocked him down in the 3rd round because the Count does not start until he goes to a Neutral Corner. It does not start at the point Fury hits the canvas. And I know Francis was probably having to readjust to boxing rules there, and not land hammer fists on Fury on the deck, which is what he would have been allowed to do so in MMA. On the plus side for Francis, that Superman punch later on! If only that had connected...
@@Black-Circle I am losing my brain cells reading the comments, As much as I love Rogan, I can not believe he still has no idea how it all works hahaha
This is not accurate at all. The count starts when the fighter hits the ground. If the ref is distracted, there are RING SIDE REFS who starts the count for him.. The ring ref looks at them for the count almost all of the time… you rookies are funny as hell
It's called a time keeper and he keeps track of the count but the referee has full authority over it, watch Benn vs McClellan, the referee stops the count several times to push McClellan back towards the neutral corner. Rogan claimed this same shi t for the Deontzy Wilder right even though KELLY PAVLIK EXPLAINED TO MORE FACD ON HIS OWN SHOW how the count works, he said you RUN to the neutral corner when you knock someone down, don't walk around like an idiot because they'll stop the count
Shame he don’t follow the HW division….Rogan thinks both Wilder and Fury are the best, but the reality is they’re both the most protected fighters in the division…
@@mrspecialk1234 ye lmao why does he keep lowkey sucking off fury lieson fraudy the liar, the overrated, the rude to every potential opponent but also very good in the ring, doesn't care for undisputed and is trying to age out the "middleweight" usyk who is a heavyweight who fights like a cruiserweight and relies on speed instead of power
What impressed me the most is Iron Mike... say whatever you want about Mike Tyson, but he is an absolute Legend of boxing and is still the most famous boxer alive. Im impressed with Mikes training. Do not ever underestimate Iron Mike. Francis is being trained with direct knowledge from Cus D'Amato. The best trainer of all time. Mike Tyson has a chance to save Heavyweight Boxing, AGAIN. Its a shell of its former self.
Well Mike has an encyclopedic knowlege of boxing, cause all through his youth and probably to this day he spent watching old fights and analysing them + Cus´s tutelage, no wonder his an excellent trainer
Never said it was direct knowlege, j just mentioned that he was taught by cus, thus he inevitably picked up some tricks from there. About him not really being Ngannous trainer, maybe you´re right, im not that familiar, just heard about it and saw a couple of vids. Still he was involved with the training and most definetly passed on some of his own knowlege (which is definetly not worthless).@@maalikserebryakov
The reason they call it the count and not the seconds is because no ref will count the same pace. Therefore, you have some rest that count quick and some reps that count slow and some that are on the money. That’s why they call it the count.
technically count isn't supposed to start until the person who scored the knockdown gets to a neutral corner ngannou literally danced for six seconds before walking back to his corner
@@tegridyfarms409That’s the problem with “technically“ vs the obvious and common sense. It’s like faking a touch-gloves in MMA and then knocking someone out. Technically you won, but common sense tells you that you should have been disqualified.
That isnt true, there is a ring side count man that starts the moment the boxer hits the floor. After the ref moves boxer to neutral corner, the ref will ALWAYS start the count according to the ring side count man.
i got the feeling that fury thought fransis was gonna swing wildly like he has done in mma, but he was calm and his defence was top notch. it looked like fury had prepared for a completely different fight and found himself lost with no plan and scared by the power of francis
Fury met his match with a sound fighter that’s near his weight and knows how to use it. Everybody besides Ngannou that Tyson has fought he’s out weighed tremendously. None of Fury’s tactics worked against Francis, not even the elbow 😅
@tumchojami8866 yeah, exactly 💯. Let's just forget the fact that Fury outboxed Wilder, Klitscho and whyte with super hand speed, exceptional boxing skills and the body movement of a middleweight and let's just delusionally chalk it up to height 😂
true but none of those UFC fights were near the rankings boxing guys are at. your comparing guys outside the top 15 to boxers who are their #1. big difference
For those who are clueless. Its a 10 count. Not 10 seconds....it could be 20 seconds, it doesnt matter. Its to give the ref time to evaluate the fighter
They also ignore francis being stupid and celebrating while the ref was telling him to go to his corner that costed him his win since the ref has to pause the count if the opponent isnt in a corner. He counted his chickens before they hatched.
What he is saying is that the ref has to start the count, and that depends on the situation. If the boxer who knocks him down does not retreat to a neutral corner then the referee has to get him to that corner then start the count, if you watch enough boxing you would know this. The does not start until the ref starts the count not when the boxer goes down
Fury like always used his weight to try to get his opponent tired but the predator was too strong , fury knew shi was getting real and caught frank with an elbow , but the predator shook it off
@@alfiegaishauser4989 Wilder was about 25 pounds lighter than Francis and you could visibly see he was on shaky legs halfway through the 2nd and 3rd fights. He got battered every time Fury clinched up with him, whereas Francis just shrugged him off. The one thing we learned for certain in this matchup is boxers need to stay in their safe little ring away from the cage or they'll get killed haha
@@heavensubculture You are correct, I just looked it up and Wilder was at his biggest at 231 and Francis was 272. So a little over 40 pounds than Wilder at his biggest. Even bigger difference between the first two fights Wilder weighed in against Fury.
@@alfiegaishauser4989 Not as strong as his costume. Look ahead my friend, even Usyk believes that he intentionally looked poor. Every single little advantage counts in this next fight...it's the mind games that could win or lose it. Although personally I believe that Usyk has it wrapped up.
It is supposed to be around 10 seconds to get up. The Ref can take all the time he needs for his checks and it is VERY normal that the "break" lasts longer than 10 seconds
You’re right but it’s a terrible rule and another stain on boxing. Effectively refs and officials can just make up how long they feel a fighter needs, and that open things up to bias / favouritism.
@@zachdawson1822 No, the count begins (by an official) when the fighter hits the canvas. The ref picks up the count from the official that's counting. If the standing fighter leaves the corner, then the ref pauses the count, orders the fighter back to the corner, then restarts the count once the standing fighter is in the corner.
I'm a boxing fan and it is embarrassing the way the fight went. I believed Francis edged him and should have been the rightful winner. They were never going to let that happen though unless it was beyond obvious. However, the 10 count doesn't even start until the other opponent is back in his corner. I believe Francis took a little while to go back. The Fury vs Usyk fight doesn't seem as appealing now.
@@jamesirvine9541my nan beats Joshua what are you on about big stuff bodybuilder been doing nothing but fighting cans since his embarrassing usyk losses. Big J don’t have it no more. I’d run though him. Guy fights like he’s being forced to😂
Overeem experienced Ngannou’s punch with full power, he almost took his head off. Francis power is scary, if he connected a good punch to fury’s head, there would’ve been no countdown
For the last 30 years, all the major boxing fights have been on PPV. This limits your audience, but that doesn’t explain the popularity of the UFC, huh?
@@nicklubrino2606people watch mma illegally lol. Ain't nobody got the money for 70 ppv every month. I wish it was like basketball and I could just turn on my TV and watch
I think the fighter who puts someone down, has to get to a neutral corner before the count can start. Same thing happened when wilder put him down. Thats why you see some boxers run to a neutral corner when they drop someone. Either way, francis dropped him, landed more power punches, caused more damage, controlled the centre of the ring, and out muscled him in clinches. I gave it to francis
The 10 count doesnt start when he hits the canvas. It starts when the opponent is in the neutral corner. And it isnt a 10 second timer, its a 10 count at the discretion of the ref.
Actually the count does start when they hit the ground. There’s a man outside the ring counting , so when the referee begins to count, he picks up from the man outside the ring
@@ronald4011Pretty much. Also it makes no sense how a combat sport doesn’t use damage as judging criteria. I always knew boxing was for nerds who can’t throw a proper knee or kick. MMA, and Kick boxing are a real man’s sport!
@@Oscar_Le_Slouch do real men roll around on the ground in the missionary position also? real men fight with there fist and dont hit a man when his down....and yes boxing is based on scoring points, dont like it dont watch it...
@@taker3106 Those men will put you in missionary position and hammer fist and elbow you into oblivion to make you their bitch. Not tap you with 10oz gloves and run away like Floyd Gayweather. That’s a real laugh that people consider him the best of all time.
Boxing fans probably agree that Fury won through points. They also probably agree that this was a very embarrassing fight for Fury. A boxing champ should never look like this against an amateur unless he is retired and well past his prime
@@RR-lh3by i get that trolling is a big past time for you but just stick to shoving forks into electrical outlets. one day it'll pay off (for mankind).
Francis isn't a boxing novice. He boxed a lot in France, but the gym that was convenient for him when he got a better job was an MMA gym. Plus he was basically a puncher. Stand up and punching were always his strengths.
I love both fighters and was honestly expecting Fury to win easily simply because boxing is a different animal. However, I’ve watched and rewatched the fight and think Ngannou won. He performed incredibly and didn’t give Fury many opportunities. I’d love to see a rematch.
Teddy Atlas gave Fury Rounds 1, 2, 4, 5, 6,9, and 10. He scored Round 3 10-8 for Ngannou, and the only other round he gave him was Round 8. It was Round 7 that Atlas struggled to score, finally deciding on a 10-10 draw. Atlas' overall tally favored Fury for being the busier fighter.And the total number of punches landed were 71-59 in Fury's favour, with the overall percentage of punches landed also showing that the undefeated boxer had the edge - 31.8 per cent to 25.5 per cent. Power punches were the only stat in Ngannou's favour - 37 to 32 over the 10 rounds.
Tyson won because of business needs. He's a somewhat likable heavyweight champion, and if he loses the belt it would break a lot of promotions, also a lot of people wouldn't get paid HUGE payouts. The only way Francis was winning is by absolute KO.
Jesus Christ, it is a ref's ten count (not seconds) that starts when the boxer hits the floor, and the ref picks it up from the ringside officials. The ref does not start counting until the opponent is in a neutral corner and will stop if the opponent leaves the corner. How many times does this need to be repeated.
23 seconds though... Even minus the 6 that Francis was dancing, it takes a ref 17 seconds to count to ten... And what's the difference of a count to seconds? Just the refs preference of how long 10 should be... That makes no sense. Boxing is fucking stupid 😆
@@vermiculus3848 after the count the ref does checks to see if the fighter is fit to continue, its boxing where there is a serious risk of death, it isnt faggy MMA with 2 men rolling around of the floor like a gay porn video, its boxing.
I’m not a fan of Fury and i believe that Ngannou won the fight, but a count isn’t supposed to start until the person who scored the knockdown gets to a neutral corner and Francis spent several seconds dancing in the middle of the ring. Also, (I’m sure Joe knows this) but in boxing, it’s an 8/10 count, not 8/10 *second* count. Nonetheless, Ngannou won that fight.
Ngannou got out boxed but it's an exhibition fight. I find it perplexing that people believe it's a real fight. That any of these things done in Dubai are real. 😂 They paid all those people to be there. They buy the tickets to boost sales. Give me a break lol Fury looked bad, but Francis is on roids so, it is what it is.
thats incorrect. There is an official designated to start the count the moment a boxer gets knocked down which is then pickup by the official in the ring who continues the count.
I'm curious tho', purely as a sport/game design aspect as anyone in the boxing community discussed how "count" over "second" can create unfair treatement and corrupt outcome? It sounds silly that a ref can take their time to count to 8/10 for arbitrary reason or really count 8 in a second.
@@icookfood5680it does start when the knockdown occurs but then the rules are the ref needs to stop the count if the opponent hasn’t went to a neutral corner. Because Francis stood over him taunting the count had to be stopped until Francis went to the neutral then picked back up where the ref left off. In that time where he stopped the count to point Francis to the corner fury got up, then as soon as the ref turned back to the fury the count resumed
The funniest thing was watching how boxing homers were rationalising how their 'greatest heavyweight champion' got his ass kicked by a 37 year old coming off an injury making his pro boxing debut. Tony Jeffries said the main reason why Ngannou was successful against Fury was because he was too amateur to read and react to the feints so he wasn't affected by them. I never thought I'd see the day where boxing would be comparable to BS martial arts where you 'have to believe in the strike for it to be effective'.
That is definitely not BS in any sport. Even e-sports! Newbies are unpredictable, and often, the strategies you develop to win against skilled opponents don't work on newbies.
Meh, that fight lasted like 8 seconds and timmeh was 300 pounds lol. Still count though, embarrassing shit. But doesn't really proved anything with it being only 8 seconds. Boxers lose to wrestlers in MMA, it's an inferior combat sport. It was supposed to be a boxing match but the commision didn't aprove it so they switched to an MMA fight with a "gentlemen agreement" of just boxing and timmeh threw a leg kick right at the start lol.
If Tyson Fury doesn't take a re-match, his legacy is tarnished forever. He should admit how terrible this fight was and give Ngannou another shot. Just the whole thing is so disappointing.
no if he doesn't take the Usyk fight his legacy is tarnished forever. We've been after undisputed for literally decades and he's been holding it up for at least 18 months now
man everybodys acting like UFC dosent have robberies cmon man, mma fans are so bias. Many people had fury win a close fight. and for Joe, you cant win a fight based on damage! people just making up there own scoring system lol
True. The ref counted wrong. He's up by 5 and has his senses. The legs weren't wobbly or anything. If the ref said continue after 8 seconds, Tyson Fury would have continued.
Also I see people saying Ngannou would KO Fury in a rematch. That's impossible. Take the following examples : Floyd vs Maidana 2 Floyd vs Castillo 2 Joe Louis vs Jersey Joe Walcott 2 Canelo vs GGG 2 This is what separates good boxers to all time greats. If Fury Vs Ngannou 2 happens, Fury would come on top pretty convincingly. Regardless of Fury's resume which is trash, he's an all time great.
Why does boxing not use an automated clock for knockdowns. The ref didn't start counting until he was almost down for 5 seconds before he started counting.
absolutely The count does not start when Fury hits the canvas. Francis - in all fairness, given the hype about this fight - did a dance, and then went back to a neutral corner And that is the point at which the count starts. Everyone in boxing knows this. This is the one mistake Francis made, and I think we can all forgive him for that. As that dance was worth it!
@@totomaxwell8080The ref always checks to see if the fighter is alright. He also had to wait for Francis to go to his corner. The count seemed pretty normal.
Seven podcasts ago he was saying that he knows very little about boxing and rarely watches it, now, all of a sudden he knows how ref counts go, how all of these refs are secretly indebted to promotors to fix fights, how it''s all a very shady business. Yup, we should all listen to Joe Rogan, the boxing historian.
There should be a new rule. Whenever someone gets knocked down there instantly needs to be a shown a knockdown counter on a big screen in the arena, where everyone can see the 10 seconds... we have all this technology, and they still let a ref with dyscalculia count to 10 _ _
the same holds true for MMA judges. I remember GSP getting beaten to a pulp by Johnny Hendricks and lost on a decision. To unthrone a reigning champ, the challenger needs to finish the champ so there remains no doubt. The reigning champ always gets the benefit of the doubt in a decision. It is true about the long count in that third round.....again the advantage goes to the reigning Champ. Should have finished him then and there but didn't/couldn't
The UFC doesn't have crook judges, the UFC referees are another story.... A few instances of referees interference might be incompetence, but in the UFC, referees have a story of meddling in fights.
Yeah if he's allowed to use roids every fight I doubt anyone can take more than a couple direct shots. But fury looked like trash. I'd imagine someone who never looks sloppy like usyk would be a nightmare for ngannou. Wilder is way skinnier, it's so hard to actually gauge because fury fought wilder way more impressively than he engaged ngannou.
@@robbiecrossley2353that’s incorrect. The count starts instantly in boxing. That’s what the time keeper does. He starts the count the second the fighter goes down. When the opponent is in the neutral corner the ref will take over the count from the time keeper. That’s why the refs normally start a count from 2-3 seconds averagely. Or he started from 4 against fury wilder 1. As it took wilder an extra second or so to get back. Exactly 4 seconds after fury went down. The ref started from 4. So the count already starter obviously. Otherwise the world would have been talking about the worlds fastest count. Instead they was talking about a slow count. It was neither. A normal count he got up just before 10
@@G4RY1159 That wasn't the issue discussed here tho. The issue is after Fury got back up he still got an extra 10+ seconds to recuperate before the ref allowed Francis to hit him again. It used to be a trick to lay on the floor a few seconds longer to come back to your senses before getting up and back in the fight, but that doesn't matter if the ref gives you a half minute stoppage anyway. What would have happened if the ref went "go" right after the 10 count. I think Fury would have went down again immediately.
Some of that is francis fault he didn't go to his corner dancing around then standing on the side when a knockdown happens u run to corner so ref can count he is new just a mistake but nothing crazy
I'm not surprised. Because the when he was fighting wilder in the first fight. He was more focused on putting Francis in a neutral corner than the count .
A lot of people seem to forget the unwritten rule in boxing....to win a championship most of the time you need to dominate so that you give no chance to the judges that cant give out bs numbers...
That saying was made up by some promoter a long time ago "you have to take the belt from the champ" and fans ran with it. Now people will often make some BS claim "well, he didn´t take the belt from him" as if the champion gets a handicap when it comes to scoring... it´s complete BS. But what is real, is the threat of the more popular boxer getting preferential treatment. So one should be weary of that.
The only guy Floyd money ever rematched beat him in their first fight. Floyd had an injured hand but a loss is a loss. The system gifted him the win but he knew he lost because he wanted a rematch.
One of the commentators read out the judges scores at the the 2nd last or last round and said they all had ngannou well ahead and that fury has to knock him out to win. Then minutes later they announce the judges scores and they were all totally different from what the commentators just told us it was
50 punches in ten rounds is trash. No one ever wins a decision in boxing landed 50 punches on 30 minutes sorry francis sucked and tyson also sucked. Both performed horribly.
It's called a mandatory 8 count. No matter what the ref counts to 8. Also, I never for 1 second thought fury looked rocked, he was very aware of everything and was up at 6.
The 10 count should be timed with an official stop watch, i dont care if its actually 10 seconds or 11,12 etc. But it should be consistent throughout the entirety of boxing.
And joe was wrong when he implied that the ref gave fury a 22 second count after getting knocked down. Francis danced over fury, and the ref doesnt start the count until the fighter goes to a nuetral corner.
@@colz848someone doesn't understand a light hearted comment.😅😅 Buster Douglas definitely got a relaxed count against Tyson. Anyone who has followed boxing knows that.
@@rajeebdas1724 anyone that knows boxing knows that it is a refs count, not 10 seconds and Douglas was wide awake and waiting till the end off the count to get up and could have got up at anytime, anyone that follows boxing and isn't a fanboi knows that😁
@@rajeebdas1724lmao how can you be so confidently wrong?😂 A ten count isn’t ten seconds dumbass, it’s just a count to ten which is started by a ringside counter who starts the moment a boxer hits the canvas, the ref then continues the count after looking at the counter to see which number they’re at, and then they continue the count, as long as the count isn’t different for the other fighter theirs nothing wrong
One thing I learned about boxing from this fight is that dividing the fight into more rounds makes it a lot easier to win on points. With just 5 rounds, if you score a knockdown in one of the rounds, you've just won 1/5 of the fight, but in boxing, you can have 1 extremely dominant round be drowned out by 2 or 3 rounds where barely anything happens. When you factor in 10 rounds, that knockdown barely matters. If you saw that fight on the street, you'd say Ngannou kicked his ass, because those rounds where not much happened you'd just see as filler.
We need a better scoring system than 3 judges. How often are the 3 miles apart on scoring ? One guy will have fighter A winning by 2 or 3. Another has fighter B winning by 2 or 3 and another has it even ? We need a better scoring system. Judges vote on bias. That is the hometown edge.
The ref counting is an issue that has been discussed many times, to my understanding its down to the ref the pace he counts so it kinda isn't a 10 sec rule its more like a 10 sec rule at the refs discretion and his perception on the state of the boxer, one ref counts fast another counts slow and there perception is usually different this leaves lots of variables and seems kinda why it doesn't seem set in stone.
Already implemented in a lot of places. When a boxer gets kocked down, the referee will instruct the other boxer to a neutral corner, then he will look at ringside and start his own count based on the one the ringside official is doing. And the margin for error is minimal. @@odeon7834
Also Fury would have gotten up faster if he needed to. He deliberately takes as long as he is allowed to so that he can fully recover. This discussion has been had many times before. For example when Fury was knocked down in his first fight against Wilder. Only casuals, noobs and haters think this knockdown should result in a Fury loss.
"It´s 22 seconds before they reengage" This is now common in modern boxing, due to new regulations. In the Wilder-Fury trilogy, each knockdown averaged 20 seconds before re-engagement. This change happened back around 2013 when Perez ended the career of Abdusalamov. A few more tragedies followed and commissions governing bodies got way stricter. Now when someone gets knocked down, the referee has instructions how to assess the fighter and this takes time. So no, Fury did not get a long count to save him. It´s the way boxing operates these days.
that's true, but the refs would do the 10 count first, if they are up before the 10, then the ref stops the count and assess the fighter by having them follow commands and decide to call it or let it continue. But that's not what happened here. The ref still on 7 count and 15 seconds has passed.
"The ref still on 7 count and 15 seconds has passed." Yea, I think you are a bit off on that one. But it´s a 10 count. The rule isn´t etched in stone that the ref has to be right on time. It´s just a part of the sport. At least I seriously doubt the ref intentionally have Fury extra time. @@tyra1870
Fury got extra time because Ngannou didn't get into a neutral corner so the ref was instructing him for close to 10 seconds. It doesn't matter either way. Fury was up and alert within 10 seconds. It wasn't like he was flat lined like he was against Wilder. As for the judging. It wasn't a majority decision, it was a split decision, one Judge gave it to Ngannou. Ngannou did do more damage with 5 more power punches landing in the fight, but it's judged by round. Fury landed far more accurately with (only) 12 more punches landed. Fury won rounds 1, 5, 6, 9, 10 Ngannou won rounds 3, 4, 7, 8 2 was a toss up. All three judges had fair score cards.
Teddy Atlas had a similar viewpoint… He rewatched the fight so he could produce his own non biased scorecard…. He had Tyson winning majority of the rounds… I think people just get in their feelings and don’t know how to score a boxing match..
"you're a shitty professor" that got me laughing real good
Joe's impressions are truly unmatched. Humans and animals alike.
Yeah that was a nice imitation 😄👍
😂😂😂
Francis also said that line to Chuck Norris.
@@chaoabordo3399 before the boogeyman goes to bed he checks underneath for Chuck Norris, before Chuck Norris goes to bed he first checks for Francis Ngannou
You know it’s weird. Francis didn’t even look like he was trying to knock him out. He fights WAY more violently in the UFC.
Why do you think an elite fighter chose not to rush in?
mma is more violent
He said he did that because he wanted to make it to the 10th round and was so concerned about making it to round 10 that he ended up not pressing the gas too much. He could have definitely finished Tyson in Rd 8-10 if he emptied the tank
@@arizonacolour8793no he couldn’t “definitely finish him if he emptied the tank” that’s why the professional fighter and world class trainers decided not “empty the tank”.
Francis didn't seem that excited about his performance either. If it was all legit and above board, he should have looked really happy. Instead the expression on his face both before and after reminded me of those astronauts at the press conference after the moon landing.
I'm surprised you didn't speak about the elbow from fury that he should have lost a point for
Right. That actually matters. This "long count" is just a failure to understand the rules.
@@Pigeoningno it isn’t a failure to understand the rules ya tw at
There was definitely bias in favor of the champ. I’ve rewatched the fight and Ngannou wins even if you ignore the elbow. I’d love to see a rematch.
@@reedusurrights2547It really is bro, it's only the ref's count that matters. The ref should have counted quicker but had to waste time putting Ngannou in his corner, and it's extremely obvious that Fury was fine after the true 8 count anyways. If ref gives him longer then he's gonna take it, but don't act like Fury would have lost because of it. The elbow is a much more legit reason to get mad.
@@fathertedczynski extremely obvious? To who? you an uneducated CZcams commenter? If it was that obvious maybe the guy in the video who is an expert In the fight game would agree with you at all lol dumF tw at, you think this is rogans first boxing match he’s watched when he’s had Tyson fury on his podcast twice and used to talk about him being the baddest man on the planet until last weekend???
The main reason tyson struggled against Francis was because his main tactic of a fast forward moving flurry into a clinch wasnt working because francis was better when they clinched up
yes dont forget francis was controlling the range too he wasnt letting in tyson for free always hand fighting and threatening to counter even at long range.
And it makes sense that Francis would be, given he is an MMA fighter and he has to worry about a guy completely taking him down or throwing elbows in the clinch.
Few Key reasons why it was a rough night for Fury,
1.The Clinch, first time ever he has lost the clinch battle.
2. Parry the jab, francis did extremely well not letting furying the measure his jab as he always does.
4. Fury couldnt get Francis to bite on any of hes faints. Never seen that before.
5. Francis measured attack, Fury did not expect such a passive approach.
6.The Strength and Power of Francis- The only factor they rightfully would of gameplanned for but still i think he was stronger then anyone hes ever come up against.
Fury never found his rythm in this fight and he under performed massively, Francis looked amazing & has come a long way with his fight iq.
@@sirhcmannix i would agree 100 percent, think also tyson found out quite early a hard punch from even his right hand didnt seem to bother ngannou, so couldnt drown him in the clinch, could walk him down with heavy shots, couldnt goad him with faints, couldnt hurt him, he had nothing left to turn too. i think tyson looked so bad cause he couldnt do all that he normaly dose, how could he not look bad.
Francis began his training as a boxer , then a kickboxer.kickboxing. he can walk through most punches. Noone walks through his punches. True combat sports fans knew Francis would win. There's no doubt he proved us correct. But there is NO way boxing would lose the lineal championship to MMA. the fix was in from the beginning.
Not to mention the elbow he hit Francis with.
Dirty af.
No point deduction on anything
it wasnt intentional and yes you get warning before point deduction... jesus christ girls, get over it, your boyfriend lost it...
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@@joebenson528L
David Blaine working out in his mind how he can take 10 headshots from Ngannou running upside down in water with needles in his eyes
What’s crazy is Ngannou was fighting at 80% the whole time cuz he didn’t know how he’d feel later rounds😢
That’s true
so many things are amazing about this, imagine the nervousness and adrenaline dump and having to wait and wait and wait for that fight to FINALLY begin, and it's 12 weeks of training and weighing 270lbs and still not gassing and not gassing while a 270lb giant leans on you and you're punching up..haha Francis is a freak specimen, insane punching power and insane chin along with muscle that can still breathe pretty well and a mind that can handle that crazy situation..and this is at 37 and fighting the best fighter in the division in his prime-current champ, it seems Francis should be boxing, so many MMA fighters try this boxing stuff and look terrible, but Francis looked good
ngannou just stood there the whole time. he really fought a boring boxing match. no aggression, no offense.
Don't make excuses bro it's weak
I’m I’m sure he prepared for this, you think?
*What an iconic performance from Francis! One for the history books!*
McGregor said it best "this isn't an actual fight,its a boxing match"
Yet all your mma are dying to do boxing because nobody wanna watch them rolling and humping each other on the ground 😂 And none of them can punch to save their lives, even Jake Paul schooled Nick diaz 😂
Mayweather was told to make it last 10 rounds😂
is that why he ran from him the whole time and avoided actually fighting?@@winniepeg2020
Yes, because the ufc allows real fighting smh
All professional fights are exhibitions, as there must be SOME kind of rule structure, otherwise it'll devolve into chaos, with your money makers (the fighters) at risk for the vague premise of "keeping it real."
What is actually cool about that match (I’m not calling it a fight) is that even though the judges robbed francis the world basically just recognizes the fact that he beat Tyson Fury
50 punches in 10 rounds doesn't win any boxer ever a decision. Technically is was a horrible boring performance by both
@@Hikinggamer2322 sec count, oh yes sir he won by ko
@morimch the clunt is at refs discretion and the ref may wait till the other fighter gets to their corner. Francis dancing for 10 seconds is why it was 22 seconds ya nerd
COPE@@Hikinggamer23
@AloneAgainstAll885 i had no horse in the race but even the boxers are saying Francis probably won
I''m going to say this again
The one big mistake Francis made was to showboat and dance over Fury after he knocked him down in the 3rd round because the Count does not start until he goes to a Neutral Corner.
It does not start at the point Fury hits the canvas.
And I know Francis was probably having to readjust to boxing rules there, and not land hammer fists on Fury on the deck, which is what he would have been allowed to do so in MMA.
On the plus side for Francis, that Superman punch later on! If only that had connected...
@@Black-Circle I am losing my brain cells reading the comments, As much as I love Rogan, I can not believe he still has no idea how it all works hahaha
Exactly.
This is not accurate at all. The count starts when the fighter hits the ground. If the ref is distracted, there are RING SIDE REFS who starts the count for him.. The ring ref looks at them for the count almost all of the time… you rookies are funny as hell
It's called a time keeper and he keeps track of the count but the referee has full authority over it, watch Benn vs McClellan, the referee stops the count several times to push McClellan back towards the neutral corner. Rogan claimed this same shi t for the Deontzy Wilder right even though KELLY PAVLIK EXPLAINED TO MORE FACD ON HIS OWN SHOW how the count works, he said you RUN to the neutral corner when you knock someone down, don't walk around like an idiot because they'll stop the count
Fury can hear the count,he was rocked but not out.he would have fixed himself before the count is done
"you are a shitty professor" god damnit Joe is so good at impersonations. 😂
Shame he don’t follow the HW division….Rogan thinks both Wilder and Fury are the best, but the reality is they’re both the most protected fighters in the division…
@@mrspecialk1234 ye lmao why does he keep lowkey sucking off fury
lieson fraudy the liar, the overrated, the rude to every potential opponent but also very good in the ring, doesn't care for undisputed and is trying to age out the "middleweight" usyk who is a heavyweight who fights like a cruiserweight and relies on speed instead of power
AJ is the MOST protected
@@SuperPeterok his resume says otherwise….
Not really but ok
What impressed me the most is Iron Mike... say whatever you want about Mike Tyson, but he is an absolute Legend of boxing and is still the most famous boxer alive. Im impressed with Mikes training. Do not ever underestimate Iron Mike. Francis is being trained with direct knowledge from Cus D'Amato. The best trainer of all time. Mike Tyson has a chance to save Heavyweight Boxing, AGAIN. Its a shell of its former self.
You didn’t mention iron Mike enough!
Well Mike has an encyclopedic knowlege of boxing, cause all through his youth and probably to this day he spent watching old fights and analysing them + Cus´s tutelage, no wonder his an excellent trainer
Its not direct knowledge from Cus because there’s an intermediary.
Also Mike didn’t even train him lol
Never said it was direct knowlege, j just mentioned that he was taught by cus, thus he inevitably picked up some tricks from there. About him not really being Ngannous trainer, maybe you´re right, im not that familiar, just heard about it and saw a couple of vids. Still he was involved with the training and most definetly passed on some of his own knowlege (which is definetly not worthless).@@maalikserebryakov
Mike didn't do a full camp with Ngannou. He did some bits in front of the cameras. Apparently the Saudis liked the idea.
The reason they call it the count and not the seconds is because no ref will count the same pace. Therefore, you have some rest that count quick and some reps that count slow and some that are on the money. That’s why they call it the count.
Streets only place to name the baddest man.
technically count isn't supposed to start until the person who scored the knockdown gets to a neutral corner ngannou literally danced for six seconds before walking back to his corner
💯
Uh yea and also who cares it's not like Ngannou jumped on him straight away and so the extra time to recover may have saved Fury from a KO.
@@tegridyfarms409That’s the problem with “technically“ vs the obvious and common sense. It’s like faking a touch-gloves in MMA and then knocking someone out. Technically you won, but common sense tells you that you should have been disqualified.
Facts
That isnt true, there is a ring side count man that starts the moment the boxer hits the floor. After the ref moves boxer to neutral corner, the ref will ALWAYS start the count according to the ring side count man.
'He was never that good'. The wolves are circling.
He flat lined Wilder. That's not "Not that good".
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Of course he’s good, no one is immune from tough competition.
@GalactusOG even Fury's fans knows wilder is a bum squad 🤣
I’m circling the Charlo brothers weak asses rn
1:15 Ngannou be the secret Dark Titan in Attack on Titan with that pose 😂😅
i got the feeling that fury thought fransis was gonna swing wildly like he has done in mma, but he was calm and his defence was top notch. it looked like fury had prepared for a completely different fight and found himself lost with no plan and scared by the power of francis
Fury met his match with a sound fighter that’s near his weight and knows how to use it. Everybody besides Ngannou that Tyson has fought he’s out weighed tremendously. None of Fury’s tactics worked against Francis, not even the elbow 😅
Lol now fury was only winning because of his weight🤣🤣🤣 soon ngannou hype will derail😂😂
@tumchojami8866 yeah, exactly 💯. Let's just forget the fact that Fury outboxed Wilder, Klitscho and whyte with super hand speed, exceptional boxing skills and the body movement of a middleweight and let's just delusionally chalk it up to height 😂
The constant hugging and weak jabs also didn't work very well. 😂 "Baddest man on the planet" 😭
@@tonymaccaroni5744baddest man to be funded by the boxing mafia. 🤷😅
@tumchojami8866 hints why there is weight class, you think weight dosnt matter? Your crazy , furry was like 300lbs fighting wilder ,
'There's always one judge that's in the bag'
I can name a few fights that happened recently for UFC that you could argue that also.
For sure. When Dana wants someone to win, he'll move mountains to make sure they do.
The ufc is more sneaky about it for sure though
Even without that it's obvious why khamzat isn't getting 5 rounds yet. The ufc games the system for whoever is Poppin.
Yep
true but none of those UFC fights were near the rankings boxing guys are at. your comparing guys outside the top 15 to boxers who are their #1. big difference
the count doesn’t start until the standing opponent is in the neutral corner. Ngannou was standing over Fury for nearly 12 seconds.
For those who are clueless. Its a 10 count. Not 10 seconds....it could be 20 seconds, it doesnt matter. Its to give the ref time to evaluate the fighter
They also ignore francis being stupid and celebrating while the ref was telling him to go to his corner that costed him his win since the ref has to pause the count if the opponent isnt in a corner.
He counted his chickens before they hatched.
Whats the difference between and 10 count vs 10 seconds? What are you counting with a 10 count?
It’s still supposed to be a consistent length of time, whatever label you want to use
What he is saying is that the ref has to start the count, and that depends on the situation. If the boxer who knocks him down does not retreat to a neutral corner then the referee has to get him to that corner then start the count, if you watch enough boxing you would know this. The does not start until the ref starts the count not when the boxer goes down
Everyone forgets Francis superman punch on Fury😂 pure class
the punch that he missed?
Yeah he missed that . But it was amazing
Lmao is that even legal? I remember trying that along with a spinning back fist in boxing class and was quickly reprimanded 😂
In any case he puts big mouth once down… did Fury so?
@@lucian5389😂😂
Fury like always used his weight to try to get his opponent tired but the predator was too strong , fury knew shi was getting real and caught frank with an elbow , but the predator shook it off
Wilder was also strong. I just don’t think Fury took this seriously and got punished for it and scraped a win
@@alfiegaishauser4989 Wilder was about 25 pounds lighter than Francis and you could visibly see he was on shaky legs halfway through the 2nd and 3rd fights. He got battered every time Fury clinched up with him, whereas Francis just shrugged him off. The one thing we learned for certain in this matchup is boxers need to stay in their safe little ring away from the cage or they'll get killed haha
I think like 50 pounds not 25 lighter
@@heavensubculture You are correct, I just looked it up and Wilder was at his biggest at 231 and Francis was 272. So a little over 40 pounds than Wilder at his biggest. Even bigger difference between the first two fights Wilder weighed in against Fury.
@@alfiegaishauser4989 Not as strong as his costume.
Look ahead my friend, even Usyk believes that he intentionally looked poor. Every single little advantage counts in this next fight...it's the mind games that could win or lose it. Although personally I believe that Usyk has it wrapped up.
He's counting like a person holding a auction
Was not expecting the camera to show hes speaking to David Blaine about this lmao
It is supposed to be around 10 seconds to get up. The Ref can take all the time he needs for his checks and it is VERY normal that the "break" lasts longer than 10 seconds
its a 10 count you pea brain. not 10 second count.
You’re right but it’s a terrible rule and another stain on boxing. Effectively refs and officials can just make up how long they feel a fighter needs, and that open things up to bias / favouritism.
Yep. And the fighter standing is supposed to go to there corner before the count starts
The ref took 17 seconds to count to 8, and it looks like he counted 8 twice... The check and wiping the gloves was barely 5 seconds.
@@zachdawson1822 No, the count begins (by an official) when the fighter hits the canvas.
The ref picks up the count from the official that's counting.
If the standing fighter leaves the corner, then the ref pauses the count, orders the fighter back to the corner, then restarts the count once the standing fighter is in the corner.
I'm a boxing fan and it is embarrassing the way the fight went. I believed Francis edged him and should have been the rightful winner. They were never going to let that happen though unless it was beyond obvious. However, the 10 count doesn't even start until the other opponent is back in his corner. I believe Francis took a little while to go back. The Fury vs Usyk fight doesn't seem as appealing now.
It will once Joshua obliterates ngannou inside 5
@@jamesirvine9541my nan beats Joshua what are you on about big stuff bodybuilder been doing nothing but fighting cans since his embarrassing usyk losses. Big J don’t have it no more. I’d run though him. Guy fights like he’s being forced to😂
@@Zer418 embarrassing by going 24 rounds with usyk lay off the gear you idiot
Is it true that the count doesn’t start until the opponent goes back to his corner? That seems like a silly rule.
@@Jomitheelf No, it's not true. The count starts the moment the ref signals 'down' to the timekeeper.
Thank you Sir !!! I said this so many times..Francis won that fight
Overeem experienced Ngannou’s punch with full power, he almost took his head off. Francis power is scary, if he connected a good punch to fury’s head, there would’ve been no countdown
I'm such a boxing fan from watching in the 90's but boxing is literally killing itself.
For the last 30 years, all the major boxing fights have been on PPV. This limits your audience, but that doesn’t explain the popularity of the UFC, huh?
@@nicklubrino2606people watch mma illegally lol. Ain't nobody got the money for 70 ppv every month. I wish it was like basketball and I could just turn on my TV and watch
what do you mean? the fight in the video was awesome
That Francis impression tho 😂
Tyson is still healing ❤️🩹 up to date while Francis is like he just came out of sparing sesh
"Can we talk about my magic tricks now?" - David Blaine
I think the fighter who puts someone down, has to get to a neutral corner before the count can start. Same thing happened when wilder put him down. Thats why you see some boxers run to a neutral corner when they drop someone.
Either way, francis dropped him, landed more power punches, caused more damage, controlled the centre of the ring, and out muscled him in clinches. I gave it to francis
Francis need to shift to boxing
Would love to see how he'll do against other boxers
A rewatch with Tyson would be cool too
For money? Sure. Why would you put your career in the hands of boxing judges.
Good cutting of film.
The 10 count doesnt start when he hits the canvas. It starts when the opponent is in the neutral corner. And it isnt a 10 second timer, its a 10 count at the discretion of the ref.
Joe you need to learn boxing. Count don't start till the opposition goes to corner. Also they count slower then seconds. Its not a stopwatch.
So the 10 count is bullshit?
Actually the count does start when they hit the ground. There’s a man outside the ring counting , so when the referee begins to count, he picks up from the man outside the ring
@@ronald4011Pretty much. Also it makes no sense how a combat sport doesn’t use damage as judging criteria. I always knew boxing was for nerds who can’t throw a proper knee or kick. MMA, and Kick boxing are a real man’s sport!
@@Oscar_Le_Slouch do real men roll around on the ground in the missionary position also? real men fight with there fist and dont hit a man when his down....and yes boxing is based on scoring points, dont like it dont watch it...
@@taker3106 Those men will put you in missionary position and hammer fist and elbow you into oblivion to make you their bitch. Not tap you with 10oz gloves and run away like Floyd Gayweather. That’s a real laugh that people consider him the best of all time.
Ok, now I need Joe Rogan to do an entire podcast with Francis Nganou's accent.
😂😂😂
Not the first time fury has had a long count.. fury and wilder was crazy
People wanna ignore that Wilder pretty much KOd him. He had a long count on a few occasions
Doesn't matter what sport, whenever there are judges involved something shady can go down.
Boxing fans probably agree that Fury won through points. They also probably agree that this was a very embarrassing fight for Fury. A boxing champ should never look like this against an amateur unless he is retired and well past his prime
This is the right take
Then boxing fans should also accept that boxing is not a real combat sport and that ngannou did more damage
@@RR-lh3by i get that trolling is a big past time for you but just stick to shoving forks into electrical outlets. one day it'll pay off (for mankind).
In u might. It's better to be like that and make money. And don't fight for free like the UFC. AND THE BOSS GOT U MONEY. I'm mma fun..
Francis isn't a boxing novice. He boxed a lot in France, but the gym that was convenient for him when he got a better job was an MMA gym. Plus he was basically a puncher. Stand up and punching were always his strengths.
its funny how Joe still doesnt get a ten count isn't 10 seconds, its the ref counting to ten as slow or quick as he decides.
Yeah a 10 count isn't supposed to take 30 sec either... how many excuses can you find... 17+sec 10 count...
@@khaineli so you would expect the ref to also check the fighter is okay to continue within the ten count and restart immediately after?..🤣
@@deviantvideosThey always ask if the fighter is ok before they start the fight again. He was up at 8 seconds. No ref would've stopped the fight.
@@jonm7888 I know, but the guy above gives the impression he expects the fight to re-start immediately after the 10 count stops 🤣
@@deviantvideos I meant to respond to him, my bad.
Prime Mike Tyson with a ground game is an omega level threat.
I love both fighters and was honestly expecting Fury to win easily simply because boxing is a different animal. However, I’ve watched and rewatched the fight and think Ngannou won. He performed incredibly and didn’t give Fury many opportunities. I’d love to see a rematch.
Teddy Atlas gave Fury Rounds 1, 2, 4, 5, 6,9, and
10. He scored Round 3 10-8 for Ngannou, and
the only other round he gave him was Round
8. It was Round 7 that Atlas struggled to score,
finally deciding on a 10-10 draw. Atlas' overall tally
favored Fury for being the busier fighter.And the total number of punches landed were 71-59 in Fury's favour, with the overall percentage of punches landed also showing that the undefeated boxer had the edge - 31.8 per cent to 25.5 per cent. Power punches were the only stat in Ngannou's favour - 37 to 32 over the 10 rounds.
Tyson through the elbow as if he came from MMA 😂
And he was the one talking about if HE ( Ngannou ) tries any MMA shit !!! 🤣 🤣 🤣
threw
Tyson won because of business needs. He's a somewhat likable heavyweight champion, and if he loses the belt it would break a lot of promotions, also a lot of people wouldn't get paid HUGE payouts. The only way Francis was winning is by absolute KO.
Teddy Atlas said it was close on his podcast but still had Tyson winning.
They always ask for a coffee break after Fury gets knocked down
Hearing Cameroon been mentioned all over the internet for the last two weeks just makes me so proud
The first time since Roger Milla was scoring goals
@@AndyML3883nah Eto’o was around for long time after that
Without forgetting Mbappé
Jesus Christ, it is a ref's ten count (not seconds) that starts when the boxer hits the floor, and the ref picks it up from the ringside officials. The ref does not start counting until the opponent is in a neutral corner and will stop if the opponent leaves the corner. How many times does this need to be repeated.
Not to mention Joe was speed counting.
Not to mention Joe was speed counting.
@@MiNiMeMiniatureDrumCoversthere’s literally a timer bottom right
23 seconds though... Even minus the 6 that Francis was dancing, it takes a ref 17 seconds to count to ten... And what's the difference of a count to seconds? Just the refs preference of how long 10 should be... That makes no sense. Boxing is fucking stupid 😆
@@vermiculus3848 after the count the ref does checks to see if the fighter is fit to continue, its boxing where there is a serious risk of death, it isnt faggy MMA with 2 men rolling around of the floor like a gay porn video, its boxing.
There's the second knockdown when Fury went for a double leg to stay up. The foul elbow too.
online betting odds is the magic words..
I’m not a fan of Fury and i believe that Ngannou won the fight, but a count isn’t supposed to start until the person who scored the knockdown gets to a neutral corner and Francis spent several seconds dancing in the middle of the ring. Also, (I’m sure Joe knows this) but in boxing, it’s an 8/10 count, not 8/10 *second* count. Nonetheless, Ngannou won that fight.
Ngannou got out boxed but it's an exhibition fight. I find it perplexing that people believe it's a real fight. That any of these things done in Dubai are real. 😂
They paid all those people to be there. They buy the tickets to boost sales. Give me a break lol
Fury looked bad, but Francis is on roids so, it is what it is.
thats incorrect. There is an official designated to start the count the moment a boxer gets knocked down which is then pickup by the official in the ring who continues the count.
I'm curious tho', purely as a sport/game design aspect as anyone in the boxing community discussed how "count" over "second" can create unfair treatement and corrupt outcome? It sounds silly that a ref can take their time to count to 8/10 for arbitrary reason or really count 8 in a second.
That is a dumb rule...Doesnt it make more sense to start the count right after the knock down
@@icookfood5680it does start when the knockdown occurs but then the rules are the ref needs to stop the count if the opponent hasn’t went to a neutral corner. Because Francis stood over him taunting the count had to be stopped until Francis went to the neutral then picked back up where the ref left off. In that time where he stopped the count to point Francis to the corner fury got up, then as soon as the ref turned back to the fury the count resumed
The funniest thing was watching how boxing homers were rationalising how their 'greatest heavyweight champion' got his ass kicked by a 37 year old coming off an injury making his pro boxing debut. Tony Jeffries said the main reason why Ngannou was successful against Fury was because he was too amateur to read and react to the feints so he wasn't affected by them. I never thought I'd see the day where boxing would be comparable to BS martial arts where you 'have to believe in the strike for it to be effective'.
Their pea brains don't realise that there literally are boxers in MMA that spend 90% of their time boxing with some minor take down defense.
Bruh cut it with the age and injury excuses. Tyson is 2 years younger than Ngannou. Fury hasn't been active either. He just came from the couch
That is definitely not BS in any sport. Even e-sports! Newbies are unpredictable, and often, the strategies you develop to win against skilled opponents don't work on newbies.
Neither one of these dudes got their ass kicked in this fight. Don't know what fight you were watching.
Also Ngannou has a massively titanium chin
The fact he took an elbow and didnt flip his switch
MMA allows elbows
Before any mouth breathers try and correct me I’m just saying he would be used to them
Joe forgot about Tim Sylvia vs Ray Mercer
Ray Mercer beat Tim Silva (former ufc champ) with one punch (the entire fight) when he was 50...just saying
That's the only time a boxer beat an mma fighter and it was because tim silva wanted to stand with him
@@Elmis214 not true (boxers have won in mma b4, just not ufc)and he also said he wouldn't kick...still did it
Ray mercer had several mma fights . Silvia isn't one of thr best fighters of all time either lol. James toney got dominated when he fought randy
Meh, that fight lasted like 8 seconds and timmeh was 300 pounds lol. Still count though, embarrassing shit. But doesn't really proved anything with it being only 8 seconds. Boxers lose to wrestlers in MMA, it's an inferior combat sport. It was supposed to be a boxing match but the commision didn't aprove it so they switched to an MMA fight with a "gentlemen agreement" of just boxing and timmeh threw a leg kick right at the start lol.
Silvia was washed up and he wasn't all that great. Just a huge tough dude that had some great moments in his prime.
If Tyson Fury doesn't take a re-match, his legacy is tarnished forever. He should admit how terrible this fight was and give Ngannou another shot. Just the whole thing is so disappointing.
How lol
He will do a rematch for you, for your comment, what a whiny internet keyboard hero
@yahiaa9647 that's not a nice thing to say to yourself
no if he doesn't take the Usyk fight his legacy is tarnished forever. We've been after undisputed for literally decades and he's been holding it up for at least 18 months now
Just because you say his legacy is tarnished doesn’t mean 💩💩
bro they gave him a 22 count 💀☠️
Ive read that this is a pretty regular thing in boxing even tho I was extremely surprised myself before learning that
Boxing has never had any credibility we watch it for entertainment but we know it has always been corrupt
exactly
man everybodys acting like UFC dosent have robberies cmon man, mma fans are so bias. Many people had fury win a close fight. and for Joe, you cant win a fight based on damage! people just making up there own scoring system lol
@FactDroidX Mma definitely suffer from it too, but boxing is corruption on another level, it cannot even be called a fight
Not into conspiracy theories. But in the nfl hard to argue the chiefs get calls that are corrupt on the regular.
@@FactDroidX If Damage doesn’t matter in Boxing, then Boxing is truly a ridiculous “combat“ sport 🤣
Joe "It took him 22 seconds to get up"
Also Joe: "1, 2, 3, 4, 5 okay hes up, 6, 7..." 👀🤦🏽💀
Haha, LMAO! 😆😆
True. The ref counted wrong. He's up by 5 and has his senses. The legs weren't wobbly or anything. If the ref said continue after 8 seconds, Tyson Fury would have continued.
Also I see people saying Ngannou would KO Fury in a rematch. That's impossible. Take the following examples :
Floyd vs Maidana 2
Floyd vs Castillo 2
Joe Louis vs Jersey Joe Walcott 2
Canelo vs GGG 2
This is what separates good boxers to all time greats. If Fury Vs Ngannou 2 happens, Fury would come on top pretty convincingly. Regardless of Fury's resume which is trash, he's an all time great.
It's a guy who has dedicated his life to mma, choosing the MMA guy. No shock here
@@srirampremi9447 Thats on Frqncis not returning to his corner as fast as he can after knock down
Why does boxing not use an automated clock for knockdowns. The ref didn't start counting until he was almost down for 5 seconds before he started counting.
It’s a ten count frm when the still standing fighter goes back to a neutral corner.
absolutely
The count does not start when Fury hits the canvas. Francis - in all fairness, given the hype about this fight - did a dance, and then went back to a neutral corner
And that is the point at which the count starts.
Everyone in boxing knows this.
This is the one mistake Francis made, and I think we can all forgive him for that. As that dance was worth it!
'It took him 23 seconds to get up' shows video of Tyson getting up after 5 seconds.
TO ENGAGE HE SAID
@@totomaxwell8080The ref always checks to see if the fighter is alright. He also had to wait for Francis to go to his corner. The count seemed pretty normal.
@@totomaxwell8080damn so now the boxer has to just toss fhe ref asside and just move in before 10 seconds 😂
@@kamalaharry9514😂😂
He didn't get up in 5, he got up at 8 and was still given 15 more seconds.
Seven podcasts ago he was saying that he knows very little about boxing and rarely watches it, now, all of a sudden he knows how ref counts go, how all of these refs are secretly indebted to promotors to fix fights, how it''s all a very shady business. Yup, we should all listen to Joe Rogan, the boxing historian.
when i was serving time, there was a kid from cameroon in my pod who was SICK with his hands. he told me 'everyone can fight where im from'.
There should be a new rule. Whenever someone gets knocked down there instantly needs to be a shown a knockdown counter on a big screen in the arena, where everyone can see the 10 seconds... we have all this technology, and they still let a ref with dyscalculia count to 10 _ _
the same holds true for MMA judges. I remember GSP getting beaten to a pulp by Johnny Hendricks and lost on a decision. To unthrone a reigning champ, the challenger needs to finish the champ so there remains no doubt. The reigning champ always gets the benefit of the doubt in a decision. It is true about the long count in that third round.....again the advantage goes to the reigning Champ. Should have finished him then and there but didn't/couldn't
Lmfao the fact that you go back to a 10 year old fight to try to prove a point is hilarious. And Hendricks was juiced as fuck where GSP was clean
Couldn't really finish him when the ref was in front of him and giving him a 30 second breather
@@SnailHatanthinking GSP was clean is a wild concept to me. Guy was juiced to the gills like everyone back then was
@@SnailHatanThere are bad decisions in MMA every card
The UFC doesn't have crook judges, the UFC referees are another story.... A few instances of referees interference might be incompetence, but in the UFC, referees have a story of meddling in fights.
I laugh also so muchwhen Tyson throw a big elbow on Francis and he didn't even move an inch 😅 !
Joe now says Francis can beat any top 10 heavyweight boxer.
But, I think he also said that about Roussey.
Roussey didn't smack around Tyson Fury in the ring like he owed her money though
Yeah if he's allowed to use roids every fight I doubt anyone can take more than a couple direct shots.
But fury looked like trash. I'd imagine someone who never looks sloppy like usyk would be a nightmare for ngannou.
Wilder is way skinnier, it's so hard to actually gauge because fury fought wilder way more impressively than he engaged ngannou.
^ you think Ngannou take steroids? You must be smoking crack bro.
He said Ronda could take Mayweather.. he's ridiculous
@@greuju i dunno man he's the same size he was in the ufc and pissed clean for years. He just cut weight in the UFC because of the 265 limit,
David Blaine is like idgaf bro
Bruh Tyson got knocced down n answered bacc
It wasn't a knock out, it was a knock down.
Exactly, the boxer gets a 10 count to get back on his / her feet
Once the opposite fighters goes to a neutral corner
@@robbiecrossley2353that’s incorrect. The count starts instantly in boxing. That’s what the time keeper does. He starts the count the second the fighter goes down. When the opponent is in the neutral corner the ref will take over the count from the time keeper. That’s why the refs normally start a count from 2-3 seconds averagely. Or he started from 4 against fury wilder 1. As it took wilder an extra second or so to get back. Exactly 4 seconds after fury went down. The ref started from 4. So the count already starter obviously. Otherwise the world would have been talking about the worlds fastest count. Instead they was talking about a slow count. It was neither. A normal count he got up just before 10
@@G4RY1159 That wasn't the issue discussed here tho. The issue is after Fury got back up he still got an extra 10+ seconds to recuperate before the ref allowed Francis to hit him again. It used to be a trick to lay on the floor a few seconds longer to come back to your senses before getting up and back in the fight, but that doesn't matter if the ref gives you a half minute stoppage anyway.
What would have happened if the ref went "go" right after the 10 count. I think Fury would have went down again immediately.
When he fell down francis should have rushed and throw those hammerfists like mma
Some of that is francis fault he didn't go to his corner dancing around then standing on the side when a knockdown happens u run to corner so ref can count he is new just a mistake but nothing crazy
I'm not surprised. Because the when he was fighting wilder in the first fight. He was more focused on putting Francis in a neutral corner than the count .
Fury has had 3 long counts, this definitely wasn't the first
A lot of people seem to forget the unwritten rule in boxing....to win a championship most of the time you need to dominate so that you give no chance to the judges that cant give out bs numbers...
He was the champion but they weren’t fighting for a belt any who, which is sawft in its own regards
Exactly man, aside from the knockdown he didn’t do much. Tyson touched him up the whole fight
@@Zifflebangerlast few rounds Francis won and stunned Fury and ate his shit lol
i am a boxing hardcore fan and i scored it 96 - 93 for Francis. i gave Fury all the dance rounds. 4 rounds total . 93 because he was knocked down.
That saying was made up by some promoter a long time ago "you have to take the belt from the champ" and fans ran with it.
Now people will often make some BS claim "well, he didn´t take the belt from him" as if the champion gets a handicap when it comes to scoring... it´s complete BS.
But what is real, is the threat of the more popular boxer getting preferential treatment. So one should be weary of that.
Fury has lost a few fights but the system has been on his side.
The only guy Floyd money ever rematched beat him in their first fight. Floyd had an injured hand but a loss is a loss. The system gifted him the win but he knew he lost because he wanted a rematch.
Name them
Name all of these fights. And if you think he lost this one, you are delusional.
Wrong, dip shit.
@@shawnarnold9972The whole world knows Francis won...Do u mean the whole world is delusional??
One of the commentators read out the judges scores at the the 2nd last or last round and said they all had ngannou well ahead and that fury has to knock him out to win. Then minutes later they announce the judges scores and they were all totally different from what the commentators just told us it was
The question to Joe was how’s your day
One of greatest performances. Congratulations Francis.
50 punches in ten rounds is trash. No one ever wins a decision in boxing landed 50 punches on 30 minutes sorry francis sucked and tyson also sucked. Both performed horribly.
The eight count after a boxer gets up from a knockdown is very common in boxing it may even be mandatory.
It's called a mandatory 8 count. No matter what the ref counts to 8. Also, I never for 1 second thought fury looked rocked, he was very aware of everything and was up at 6.
The 10 count should be timed with an official stop watch, i dont care if its actually 10 seconds or 11,12 etc. But it should be consistent throughout the entirety of boxing.
And joe was wrong when he implied that the ref gave fury a 22 second count after getting knocked down. Francis danced over fury, and the ref doesnt start the count until the fighter goes to a nuetral corner.
Same thing happened when he “won” against wilder, also Buster Douglas got a 60 count against Tyson…..
Someone can't count🤣
@@colz848someone doesn't understand a light hearted comment.😅😅
Buster Douglas definitely got a relaxed count against Tyson.
Anyone who has followed boxing knows that.
@@rajeebdas1724 anyone that knows boxing knows that it is a refs count, not 10 seconds and Douglas was wide awake and waiting till the end off the count to get up and could have got up at anytime, anyone that follows boxing and isn't a fanboi knows that😁
But he got up exactly at 10 seconds .Any way 😂😂😂
@@rajeebdas1724lmao how can you be so confidently wrong?😂 A ten count isn’t ten seconds dumbass, it’s just a count to ten which is started by a ringside counter who starts the moment a boxer hits the canvas, the ref then continues the count after looking at the counter to see which number they’re at, and then they continue the count, as long as the count isn’t different for the other fighter theirs nothing wrong
One thing I learned about boxing from this fight is that dividing the fight into more rounds makes it a lot easier to win on points.
With just 5 rounds, if you score a knockdown in one of the rounds, you've just won 1/5 of the fight, but in boxing, you can have 1 extremely dominant round be drowned out by 2 or 3 rounds where barely anything happens. When you factor in 10 rounds, that knockdown barely matters. If you saw that fight on the street, you'd say Ngannou kicked his ass, because those rounds where not much happened you'd just see as filler.
if only 90 % of commenters realized this
We need a better scoring system than 3 judges. How often are the 3 miles apart on scoring ? One guy will have fighter A winning by 2 or 3. Another has fighter B winning by 2 or 3 and another has it even ? We need a better scoring system. Judges vote on bias. That is the hometown edge.
ye boxing isnt just about knocking someone down or 1 big hit, thats the beauty but yes not a spectacular as ufc
Pretty much
If u saw that fight on the street Francis would have jumped on him after the knockdown and put him to sleep lol. No decision in the street
You gotta learn the difference between a knock down and a knock out
One of the greatest boxers to have ever lived you having a laugh
Fury did not take him seriously.
Doubt that will happen again.
yea next time francis would ko him to the moon it will be worse
The ref counting is an issue that has been discussed many times, to my understanding its down to the ref the pace he counts so it kinda isn't a 10 sec rule its more like a 10 sec rule at the refs discretion and his perception on the state of the boxer, one ref counts fast another counts slow and there perception is usually different this leaves lots of variables and seems kinda why it doesn't seem set in stone.
Then maybe its about time for a timer to take over from the moment a fighter gets knocked down
Boxing doesn't work like that. Count starts when the other fighter goes to an opposite corner to their own.
Already implemented in a lot of places. When a boxer gets kocked down, the referee will instruct the other boxer to a neutral corner, then he will look at ringside and start his own count based on the one the ringside official is doing.
And the margin for error is minimal. @@odeon7834
Also Fury would have gotten up faster if he needed to. He deliberately takes as long as he is allowed to so that he can fully recover. This discussion has been had many times before. For example when Fury was knocked down in his first fight against Wilder. Only casuals, noobs and haters think this knockdown should result in a Fury loss.
@@Jason-ei8ywstill a 17 sec 10 count...
The count starts when the other fighter goes to his corner I think but yeah that looks like he had time to breathe.
To his defence one judge did score it for Francis and seemed pretty fair about it.
"It´s 22 seconds before they reengage" This is now common in modern boxing, due to new regulations. In the Wilder-Fury trilogy, each knockdown averaged 20 seconds before re-engagement.
This change happened back around 2013 when Perez ended the career of Abdusalamov. A few more tragedies followed and commissions governing bodies got way stricter. Now when someone gets knocked down, the referee has instructions how to assess the fighter and this takes time.
So no, Fury did not get a long count to save him. It´s the way boxing operates these days.
that's true, but the refs would do the 10 count first, if they are up before the 10, then the ref stops the count and assess the fighter by having them follow commands and decide to call it or let it continue.
But that's not what happened here. The ref still on 7 count and 15 seconds has passed.
"The ref still on 7 count and 15 seconds has passed." Yea, I think you are a bit off on that one.
But it´s a 10 count. The rule isn´t etched in stone that the ref has to be right on time. It´s just a part of the sport.
At least I seriously doubt the ref intentionally have Fury extra time.
@@tyra1870
Fury got extra time because Ngannou didn't get into a neutral corner so the ref was instructing him for close to 10 seconds. It doesn't matter either way. Fury was up and alert within 10 seconds. It wasn't like he was flat lined like he was against Wilder.
As for the judging. It wasn't a majority decision, it was a split decision, one Judge gave it to Ngannou. Ngannou did do more damage with 5 more power punches landing in the fight, but it's judged by round. Fury landed far more accurately with (only) 12 more punches landed.
Fury won rounds 1, 5, 6, 9, 10
Ngannou won rounds 3, 4, 7, 8
2 was a toss up. All three judges had fair score cards.
Joe and other people are too stupid to understand that it’s judged round by round and not as a whole.
I had Fury up by +2 and I gave Francis rd 3 10-7
Teddy Atlas had a similar viewpoint… He rewatched the fight so he could produce his own non biased scorecard…. He had Tyson winning majority of the rounds… I think people just get in their feelings and don’t know how to score a boxing match..
@@CZcams_deletes_my_comments exactly
Glad to see some reasonable comments gents
Bro joe is counting them seconds so fast 😂
This is a common misconception. A 10 count is not supposed to be 10 seconds. It's however long it takes the ref to count to 10