Find out why this 40ft Jeanneau has an edge over the competition...
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- čas přidán 3. 11. 2021
- Toby Hodges sails a Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 410 with a difference - one with the draught of a Class 40, yet the ability to nose into the shallows.
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Methinks Toby could review a can opener and I would love it.
Yes, we recently got a 2011 Sun Odyssey 44I and we've been sailing at almost 11kts in fair winds, plus the quality is still top for a 10 year old yacht. very few upgrades or issues. You really enjoy sailing it. This one is beautiful! Thanks for the videos! Great you're a Jeanneau self-confessed guy. Ours is Philippe Briand and I love it. Cheers from Mexico!
Thanks Toby, I’m really enjoying your new extended reviews. Keep ‘em coming please!
Big or small, custom or production, Toby clearly understands each yachts purpose and target markets and he always gives the best, fullest and most honest reviews bar none. 🙏 🍻 __/))
Thank you, really appreciate that!
GORGEOUS….WELL DONE VIDEO MATEY.!
A very complementary review she doesn't deserve.
I like how they did the bed in the forward, instead of the v birth, a slant bed creating a nice space.
I Love the 2020 model the layout the concept. Very very nice boat. My favo. This one is sooooo IKEA.
Thanks for the video Toby
The design has changed a lot since the 70'... isn't?
Interesting changes to the 409. Love the chart table, furled Code 0 (although shape if cut to furl?) and forward cabin. Galley layout is interesting too. Do NOT like no traveller … a bit of a pet peeve and I wonder about sheeting and downhaul on the jib with that ‘bobbin’ arrangement?
that beauty flies while upwind. It is a gorgeous sailyatch.
Anyone else that wants to see something about the Rapido 60 and/or the Bañuls 53 tri?
Question: Does marine growth get the interior of the keel pocket fouled up? It looks like it would be hard to keep clean.
Excellent question. Leaving this comment here to see if anyone answers it.
Would love to see someone brave enough to put the legs on and beach this in a test.. brilliant addition to the line and for long term cruising options and if it will last 10years look forward to picking one up once the depreciation has brought it into reality.
Looks huge!
The keel viewport is a great idea!
Very nice boat! Will be looking to buy a used one!
Do you think that bow shape would tend to dig when sailing downwind? I clicked on this because the hull shape looks a lot like a design I've been working on for a trailerable glassed plywood 40ft sloop
Sono un felice possessore di un Sun Odyssey 40 del 2002 e me lo tengo stretto!!!
Thanks for the great review! Didn't like the position of the winches. Will only deliver clumsy operation. Too many ropes running around. Lacks mainsheet traveler. Anchor/sail locker is not bad for a 40 footer. I think the main design criteria was to maximize the indoor space, as the boat (deck) is quite tall. Let's hope they kept its weight center low enough. That keel is pretty interesting. Again, let's hope that it will hold-up in high seas...
My 1994 Beneteau First 265's cabin sole has no ruff edges and the entire floor was varnished at the yard. I don't know why Beni/Jeanneau would stop sealing their floorboards other than saving money on production. It's a niggle, but i would not stop me from purchasing a Jeanneau.
very good design
seems to be a lot of boat for your money - but the quality of the carpentry leaves a bit to be desired. If I was spending £1/4M for the base price boat I would expect that to be a bit better.
Perphpas better carpentry is available as an option...
Great review as always, brother Toby. Keep up the great work my friend.
Thanks Joe!
Love it! Waaahhhh
The chart table needs a splashguard between it and the sink?
Brilliant good thing is that a single handed have enough space to winch, and it is close to the helm. No other yacht has this feature. Side deck is the best addition here, where in rough weather, sailor have a safe corridor to walk to right to the bow. I am not sure if the German system is a smart replacement, needs to be proven while sailing. Chain at the bow is too much up. It might be a good solution to be taken back down. Are these windows a fashion? They look ugly. Kill up/down, - wow. That's a feature for a production boat. I can imagine how many of the cruisers will bless this when going in shallow waters. Good luck if that fails, it has a lot of machinery in it. I cannot understand why interior is all in square mode, looks cheap of the cheapest for a comfort of 41 footer. Options to choose rooms and heads, especially for one head choice are great. This size yacht has never been more spacious, and you will find nothing more on a much larger yachts. Dream on to see this yacht in Australia for the price of 300K AUD even without the lift keel.
The main sheet bridal would be easy enough to add control lines to and you'd have your traveler. I'm disappointed that wasn't included especially considering the fact that a barber hauler was included, but that's only an extra $200 additional and I'd have that problem solved. Disappointing, but not a deal breaker.
I came here to say the exact same thing! For the price of two blocks and two clutches you could have a traveler that lets you precisely control both twist and boom angle upwind.
I might fit a decorative and functional splash guard between the sink and nav station lest your charts and other stuff get wet whilst someone is working in the galley.
Nice to see Toby actually naming off some short falls, not just the sales brochure. Great ideas in this boat, but the quality is definitely questionable. I can't wait to see these in 30 years. One major draw back for me on the interior, is the recessed upper lighting, where a hand rail used to be. With volume you need hand rails, if you plan to leave the dock. I would be getting some installed asap if this was my boat.
it is amazing that you can give this shit credibility
@@thomaselliott573 ??? go on?
who the hell would want a sailboat interior that looks like that ,can you say crapp, the wine storage says it all.
You guys need to fix the Audio. Maybe a Zoom Mic? It's quite the pocket size really... should be easy enough to sync it with the footage later.
It's been done now - new mic and mount going forward!
Everything today is expensive but made cheaply. Looks like a roomy and comfortable boat though
Looks like a truly lovely yacht - but without seeing her in person - I suspect you are right. Everything about this brand spanking new boat looks lovely - BUT - that exposed end grain ply - NEVER ! That is NOT acceptable in my house, let alone a yacht that is permanently on the water. It makes me wonder what other corners have been cut in places you cannot see, and listen to everything creaking as a light little bloke like Toby moves around ? Hmmmm.
So, the lifting Keel is why Jeaneau has an edge over the competition. It is both a shoal draft and a deep keel performance sailor.
The jayco of sailboats
Sealing ply edges on a sailboat isn't optional.
great boat :)
Those windows bother me. It looks like a floating correctional facility. A dark stripe around the boat might help.
Wonder if it comes without also.
just a call on the magnetic compass, it looks as if it's a secondary thought to safety obligations. (the yacht must have an independent steering compass) - from an active sailing consideration - it is too far offset for the helmsman for it to be of any use and would be prone to parallax error. curious - as the binnacle on each helm could quite happily accommodate a properly corrected and compensated compass. - Apologies some of us are pre-electronic chart plotters turning Nav into a game of following the bouncing ball.
Good catch. I didn't notice that, but it does seem an odd place to save 2 bits.
People who come to buy this boat have probably already seen some boats?
Or at least a kitchen in which all the edges are treated and protected with foil, such processing of these boards costs 2 euros per meter and in 250,000 euros I think they could have invested in finer processing
Gonna need a safety harness to keep from falling off the back ?
So the bridal system replaces the track system for the jib?? 😳
I will never get used to boats that have the main sheet on top of the salon, but a kind of fancy keel for upwind performance ?? I mean its still called the MAIN sail ?
Have sailed the 410 recently, and 2015ish 479 as well. Not sure I could find anything much to complement 😐
That probably tics all the boxes for me. Except the mast might not be intercoastal friendly for me an not over 65 foot tall from the waterline. I would have to give up one of the cabins for generator and air conditioning. and that could run up the price to 300k.
Reminds me of the furniture section at IKEA
The days of the teak dungeon have ended
Change is hard for some people...even if that change is CLEARLY for the better.
so inventive jim d. think that up all by yourself?
Don’t gotta hate cause you can’t afford it.
The dealership wouldn’t sale you a lift keel here Australia
It certainly doesn't hold an edge over charm.
Audio is lausy, pls use a proper mic. Vid footage is excellent.
Come on Toby, it's 2021 and by now Yacthing World should have been able to find 5-20 quid for a "deadcat" for your mic. You review sailboats, there will be wind. With 132K subs, I think you can spend just a tiny bit of money on getting much better audio;)
Yes I have one - just didnt on the day due to unexpected events. Sometimes I have an opportunity to get on a boat without necessarily the time or equipment desired, but figure people would still prefer to see some video than not.
@@yachtingworld Ah, gotcha. Well, that happens and thanks for replying. I honestly took a break from watching sailboat reviews during Covid and thought the sound issue was a throwback to the early days and thought it would have changed by now.
Anyways, sorry if it came across as grumpy:)
Cual es el precio
Iv had Jeanys , Benys & a few in between , Delivered Hanses & have always had a soft spot for the Jeanneau , Just felt a better boat all round BUT looking at the new ones im sad to say the quality have slackened some what since Beneteua took them over . Haven't ever sailed on the Bavaria but sailed past them many a time . The Hanses - lazy mans boat , slow in the light .
The top of the keel at the tan wasn’t even completely painted and the keel view window wasn’t finished nicely. It’s the little things.
hi toby.i sailed on 40 and 41 elan 13 years ago an it had 2 heads and better craftsmanship.the 37 was a sweet heart.this is probably good for racing of some sort but the workmanship for a 250 000 pound boat is appalling.look forward to your next review sailor.;)
You get what you pay for: no one is claiming Juneau (or Benateau or Bavaria) is known for their craftsmanship. These are not an Amel or Hallberg Rassy! If you want craftsmanship, you'll be paying 2-4x the price of this boat. I'm glad that there is some competition for the price range I'm in.
@@wilfdarr yeah...love the Halsberg rassy 40C....but at 800k USD...you're paying a lot for the step up in quality. But i was very surprised at the unsealed plywood edging. I don't recall seeing that on previous gen boats from them or their direct competitors
@@marcopolo242 I have no doubt you get it back in resale on the H&R, but I just don't have that available today. That's why the Jeanneau is so darned tempting (It would not be a good use of the finances I have, but I do have it!).
As for the ply, are we sure it's unsealed or just unfinished? Though edging looks good on plywood, it doesn't actually seal the plywood and it inevitably peels off: it's possible that instead of running edging around they decided they'd just slap a coat of varnish on and called it a day. I have no proof of this, one can't really tell from a picture, but it would make sense to me.
@@marcopolo242 I just watched again: at 15:15 the close up of the wine locker, that ply is sealed, I'm sure the rest would be too....
@@marcopolo242 I spoke too soon: the hatch is sealed, the rest is not... Ya, not awesome.
Did the putative buyer actually accept delivery? Does he need a good lawyer?
This boat reminds me of my "room" at cheap French hotel chain F1. The whole room, including the bathroom and the cupboard seem to have come out of the one mould of polyester.
Correct, and that is exactly why you pay rock bottom prices to stay at F1 hotels. Cheap to manufacture, easy to maintain. But F1 doesn't use unfinished plywood in areas that will get wet...
Wondering if that was a production fault. @@giovannialtamore
Looks like a good option
Looks like a Pogo
Can anyone confirm if this boat can plane (not surfing down a wave) ?
Helm placement seems like it would make it terrible for blur water sailing. Beautiful yacht though. So sexy
The craftsmanship leaves a lot to be desired. They are obviously marketing to people who are brand new to sailing.
Or more likely new to sipping cocktails in a marina.
Or who haven't made their first million yet? For the price it's not bad.
With the helms this far back isn't there a risk of simply being washed off the deck in rough seas?
Finish is shocking.
A very undersized anchor
If only they managed to put in a rear traveller instead of the forward bridal setup like always.. :\
Toby as excellent as usual but the music is too loud, it spoils the pleasure.
You'd have to really like raw plywood.
Maybe sealed ply is an option...
@@angela1984a For that money I want marble :)
Disappointing boat to be honest, looks like it was rush built in the interior, I could only imagine the deficiencies in the hull.
I would be very disappointed if I was the new owner.
Was just at the Annapolis Boat show. I noticed a bulkhead that was attached with adhesive. It wasn’t tabbed in anywhere I could see. I’m sure it’s great glue, but I turned around and left.
Is there a 30ft version of this ? And besides length, what are the differences between the two if there is one?
What about the propulsion. Saildrive? Skeged rudder?
Had a deposit on one of these for delivery this coming march, dropped it after I found a 2016 Jeanneau 439 in mint shape, it was sailed 2 times. Saved $130,000. They all are ikea boats. The build quality of my 439 is way nicer than this boat. My next boat will be a semi custom new or used, these boats feel disposable.
Loved the review. The boat looked unfinished. A 10 plus year old Halberg Rassey 40 is 200k to 300k. The Jeanneau is just not the same kind of boat. I'm left wondering how many Jeanneaus are still sailing? GRP boats can last forever. How much is this boat competing with other makers new and how much is it competing with all the other old Jeanneaus and HRs and Swans of this size still on the market? Why spend the 200K for a new Jeanneau when a 2000 40 Sun Odyssey is 80K. It looks to be much the same boat. 200k will buy you a 2000 Swan.
A 10yo Juneau is $50k, just not the same kind of boat. Apples and oranges mate.
@@wilfdarr I will not argue that the new boat is "better" than the 10 year old one. The new one has a warranty. But my question was how much is Jeanneau competing against their own older boats. 50K is 25% of the price of a new boat, but the 10 year old boat, if well maintained, has the same usable life in it as the new one. GRP don't die. How do they convince you to plop down the extra 150K? They do this by convincing you it's Apple and Oranges. I'm pretty sure it's not apples and oranges. It may be Gala Apples vs Red Delicious but they are all Apples. A Sun Odyssey and a Leader would be Apples and Oranges. I don't know what the market is and what Jeanneau's sales are like. Maybe Yachting World does.
@@rtbinc2273 A lot of people are saying it's “poorly built”, and I disagree: it's cheaply built, and as such, the interior plywood cabinetry will show its age disproportionately to the hull. I'd gladly take the 10 year old version of this boat, but I'd never get my wife on it.
@@wilfdarr I doubt I could get my wife on anything smaller than the Queen Mary. This is a boat built to a price and it shows. That is NOT a bad thing. This boat would probably go as far and as fast as an HR or a Swan, just not as nicely. It's hull design is just as sleek and modern. It also has a lot more interior space than the 10 year old version. I did note there didn't seem to be a lot of Navigational Equipment - but - that is often done on an iPad these days.
@@rtbinc2273 Couldn't agree more!
Did I miss the price range?
It's on a slide with the specs at the end. Base price starts at €191k, test boat £250k
Only 2 winches at the helm station? I dont get it
Sad to see that it’s all about the way it looks. But the quality of the fit is very sad for the price
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A nice boat but French made. Always are some details not very well made.
Built well? I just walked some Jeanneaus at the Annapolis boat show. No other yacht, by a long shot, makes loud creaking noises as one walks through the belly of the boat like Jeanneaus. It's extreme. The impression I walked away with is cheap and hastily built. And they are not exactly cheap. Not a good value proposition in my book.
looks like jeanneau put the breaks on Mark Lombard`s pencil, the RM is a superior boat and will hold its price better....
The problem whit these lift keels is you all say it can go where other boat whit normal keels cant. Problem is, all boats seems get it now! So if you rearly want to sail or moor where no other does, get a 4,2 meter keel.
Catamaran
If they have an edge over the competition - it's a rough edge. Those bottle bins look like they were built by a drunk using a bread-knife. What are they thinking?
A lift keel is a secret weapon? So is the Norden Bombsight.
Toby ignore the adverse comments. Great review, I like the features on the 410 but could I ask you next time you test a lift keel boat to comment on sailing characteristics with keel up and down for that’s where the magic lies. Some centreboard yachts enjoy broad reaching with keel up and others not. How does the 410 fit in?
Not a blue water boat!
Im not convinced a 40 needs a shoal draught option. Bit like putting a Range Rover tailgate seats on a 3 series. But I hope to be proven wrong.
Hi Peak Torque.
Give me a Hanse 385 any day. Sorry, not a good sail control design at all. Twin rudders..i like
Looks like a great coastal cruiser. I wouldn't trust any yacht as a blue water cruiser that has a bolted on or lifting keel. Same with an unprotected rudder.
Aye, exactly
@@iducatifan1 Plenty of blue ocean cruisers have lifting keels, even in the absolute top segment. Having said that, Jeanneau's build quality leaves a lot to be desired.
Jeannue must know that most of the market is looking for off wind sailing. No traveler is insane to me
Still hate the double helm design. Especially on smaller boats.
The JSO 410's are motel units now able to float. And no need to look aft, the following wave will let itself in.
Of course you may always find the aft 1/3 which must have been sawn off at some time, reattach it and restore a smidgeon of class.
Why do so many luxury yachts look like a brick with a sail on top? And like a 3-star chain hotel inside?
Clever boat but terrible quality.
I dont know why it has "the edge" over competition! Its not made for banks? Is that it?
Right.
Not very inviting interior. looks like a low quality. Totally open, not protected helm station...
Interior design by Minecraft.
Bravo. That one was definitely a step up from the standard IKEA joke. 😂
NICE YACHT PITY ABOUT the Cheap shit IKEA STYLE Interior
I wouldn't like to take the helm in any kind of following sea. A boat only suitable for coastal waters at best. A sort of caravan in the end.
Interior looks shabby - even when new. So many builders really go the distance on interior finishing. When someone doesn’t, it shows. All those unfinished edges getting moldy, chipped, and grimy. Even a gently used boat takes a certain amount of punishment. These cheaper elements will really show their wear before too long. Sorry, genuinely unimpressed.
Still a Jeanneau.
I'll take a kraken over this anyday!
Wouldn't we all?
I really appreciate your review videos Toby, you're brilliant at them. But I do think commending the build quality in one breath, when the footage is replete with in your face, stark evidence to the contrary, is a shame. I feel for the new owner. Filthy boat and shoddy workmanship in plain view, let alone what we didn't see. Perhaps you could review the HR50 & 57 to cheer me up again?
I think the keelbox window is work in progress...
Thanks Jan - HR50 coming up soon sir!
You are comparing a HR50 to this? How about compare the price at the same time! To be clear, you're criticizing a $250k boat because of the “poor workmanship” compared to that of a $1.1m boat? And you have the nerve to question of his integrity while being completely disingenuous yourself!
@@jdcs Let me help you with the math: a mobile home is $250k, that's the level of build quality you can expect, and that's exactly what they deliver. If you want more, you're going to have to pay more, it's really that simple. This is a very well thought out yacht built to a budget. It's a great boat for that price with a lot of options not previously found at this price point. And arguing that doesn't hurt his journalistic integrity one iota.
@@jdcs No, I'm the kind of guy who doesn't complain when McDonald's gives me a cheap hamburger because that's what they serve, that's what I expected, that's what I ordered and that's what I got! I didn't order a gourmet burger and I didn't pay for one. When a journalist reviews the newest McDonald's sandwich and says “for $5 it's a decent sandwich” I don't belittle his integrity.
Square “windows “ belong on houses not boats. Stop it!