Bow can easily do so, too. But going high/pure elemental isn't as necessary as it was advertised to be. This is because raw attack is what actually kills alatreon much much faster because his elemental hitzone values are actually poor. czcams.com/video/JZ-AO0pM3UA/video.html You only really need just a high enough element attack to "contain his power" just 1x which is already sufficient to make escaton judgement survivable. The advantage of doing so more than once is it gives more breathing room to heal escaton tick damage. And more knockdown means more window to deal damage to his horns so you can achieve an easier break once he shifts to dragon element (his horns are only breakable when he's in dragon mode btw). I agree with IDeVaste, going full elemental is only good for weakening escaton judgement but sub-optimal overall in terms of damage and breaking the horns (and other parts and causing flinches and claggers for that matter). This is why almost all of the fastest clear times I see only aims to reach the elemental dps check just 1x and then the rest of the builds are actually geared more towards more damage that is mostly raw. Look at this SnS heroics run for example (the fastest solo run I've ever seen! nearly killing alatreon before it could even do an escaton) czcams.com/video/JprkRBN2jcg/video.html And SnS is pretty suitable for elemental damage yet his build is for getting as much raw as possible. Then compare DB to Bow. czcams.com/video/TPkpbAMw6HI/video.html Although both can easily shut down alatreon's element 3x prior his 1st escaton, DB clears much faster because it can be very balanced between raw and element (thereby dishing out much more damage) as opposed to Bow which simply speaking is a pure elemental weapon with dragon piercer as its only raw-focused move. If anything, I think alatreon's 1st escaton comes usually at a little over the 5 minute mark, and from runs such as this and others where alatreon's element is shut down 3x, I'm lead to believe that this is the max and actually forces escaton to come out earlier to sort of reset his elemental threshold (kinda like teo/luna mode reset after nova or nergi spike reset after divebomb) It is now also shown to be possible for 4P to kill alatreon without him getting to pull off an escaton judgement. This is achievable by dishing out the highest numbers (I think ideally high raw with high enough element just in case but could actually be doable pure raw. Edit: 4P-bowgun world record is pure pierce). czcams.com/video/zUN9qFUc7F4/video.html czcams.com/video/CCkHa67smys/video.html Granted these are very optimized runs and godly monster AI RNG, but still... Don't you think it's quite ironic that DB being largely considered as the best matchup for alatreon has yet to accomplish the same feat and that 4P-GS has beat it to the punch? Even SnS and its mini-GS tier attacks get to have faster clear times...
I actually managed to get the special knockdown FOUR times in one of my solo runs, plus a K.O lol. After escaton I got another knockdown for a total of five in one run; I think the escaton judgement timing is %HP based and considering how sloppy my run was (by letting him enrage during aerial phase and taking needless hits) I was able to delay it enough to get an extra KD. Here's the run for proof: czcams.com/video/E85JNgUKirA/video.html I'm still practicing how to script runs but so far I've managed to get my time down to about 7 min so i'm nowhere near Masa's level yet :P
And that is actually already sufficient to make escaton judgement survivable with proper max potion / astera jerky timing. czcams.com/video/JZ-AO0pM3UA/video.html Going pure/high elemental isn't as optimal as it was hyped up to be. Just aim to have a high enough element to be able to weaken EJ once then the gear the rest of your build for higher dps (ideally for more raw after enough element has been reached, but up to players to add some more element just in case and depending on how aggressive they can be on dealing elemental damage). This is because alatreon's elemental hitzone values (hzv) are actually low whereas his raw hzv are very high (his highest is second only to Kulve Taroth's which is the game's highest). The need for high element on weapons is to counter these poor element hzv as you aim to beat the element dps check at least once to make EJ survivable. The resulting knockdown is great and all but if you geared pure elemental and didn't boost your raw attack as well, it'll actually take much longer to break his horns and it'll also take longer to kill him. Balance is key. Look at this SnS heroics run and also his non heroics run. In both, he reached the elemental dps check only once yet he achieved comparable and even faster clear times than DB. In the heroics run, he even came really close to killing alatreon before it was able to do an EJ. czcams.com/video/JprkRBN2jcg/video.html Ironically, GS players are actually achieving some of the fastest clear times such as this czcams.com/video/NzcjJ2z1dJc/video.html 4P-GS have even been able to kill alatreon sub 4'. Alatreon was not given the chance to do its nova. czcams.com/video/zUN9qFUc7F4/video.html 4P-Bowgun World record (pure pierce) czcams.com/video/CCkHa67smys/video.html And bows are actually getting slower solo clear times due to being purely elemental aside from dragon piercer and I guess thousand dragons (slinger burst). Granted these are very optimized runs and monster AI RNGesus smiling at the time, but still the point that having so/too much element is not as necessary as advertised has now become more apparent. And for those struggling with alatreon's flying mode, just as in previous games where when speedrunners go against black dragons they farcaster out once the monster becomes airborne so as to ground it, the work-around in this iteration of alatreon's fight are smokebombs and/or ghillie mantle which achieves the de-aggroing effect which is what actually makes black dragons land back down. 😁
How are you able to go into the clutch claw spins without doing the spin to win? I tried to do what you did and it doesn't work I can only do spin to win>two upper spins>clutch attack. I noticed you were able to do dodge>upper spins>clutch or attack>upper spins>clutch which is faster.
I'm pretty sure it's at the 5 minute mark no matter what. It was in this video, and it usually feels like I've been through three of them by the time I get to the 15-18 minute mark. His speed in shifting phases does seem to vary, but that might just be placebo
Hello Masa, if I dont have a Kajar daggers, what set can you recommend me using? Currently i have silver sol set + safi ice dual blades and ita taking me atleast 18 minutes to finish alatreon solo. Thx.
Nope. Dual Blades has a one-hit tenderize combo. Press O or B a bunch and hit L2/LT to clutch. The dodge itself is from Demon Mode, the animation is probably actually a mod
Evasion mantle; successful evasion gives attack boost of +30% of base attack for 20 seconds. True Safi and weakness exploit gives a lot of affinity, 90%.
【build】
Kjarr Daggers "lce"
・Defense Increase Ⅰ
・Element /Status Effect Up Ⅲ
Safi Crested Crown β＋
Safi Crested Chest a＋
Safi Crested Vambraces β＋
Safi Crested Belt β＋
Safi Crested Boots β＋
Fury Charm Ⅴ
Challenger Jewel + 4×2
Frost Jewel + 4
Hard Enduring Jewel+ 4
Tenderizer Jewel 2×3
Challenger Jewel 2
Sharp Jewel 2
Frost Jewel 1×4
Expert Jewel 1
Evasion Mantle +
(Sprinter Jewel 2×2)
Rocksteady Mantle +
(Attack Jewel 1×2)
Ice Attack Level 6
Agitator Level 5
Resentment Level 5
Blight Resistance Level 3
Critical Boost Level 3
Weakness Exploit Level 3
Evade Window Level 3
Item Prolonger Level 3
Critical Eye Level 1
Protective Polish Level 1
Critical Element Level 1
Set Bonus Skills
・True Dragonvein Awakening
Food Skill
・Felyne Black Belt
・Felyne Acrobat
・Felyne Sprinter
Noted
Thanks for sharing this one
Have you tried blight resistance 2 mixed with Coalescence? It seems pretty powerful in this fight.
Anyone know what Felyne sprinter does? The wiki says it reduces stamina while transporting like an egg but I think it does more than that
@@jordandoughty2658 I don't think it does any more than that also the third food skill is random in this build
Is kajarr daggers ice and rage rare??
takes longer than 6 mins for me to even consider whether I want to actually accept the hunt
4:10ここの傷付けまじで上手い
This guy kills alatreon faster than me killing jagras...
He also spends a lot more time fighting alatreon than you playing the game
投稿お疲れ様です。そして5分台おめでとうございます！
本当にいつ見ても参考になる双剣捌きで勉強になります
I expected this coming from you, great run masa
It is impresive how you are manage to surpass your own crazy speedruns! You are ultra instinct Dual blades Demigod
やるとは思ってました！6分切り！
無駄の無い立回りお見事です！流石です！
You never even let Alatreon fly for a minute lmao.
Those damage numbers are insane
wow. perfect run . nice timing . nice run!
上手すぎ
最近モンハンを離れがちでしたがアルバトリオンが来たことでまたMasaさんの動画を見ようと思いました！
Masaさんの装備を参考に防具の基本系はムフェト防具で揃えることにしました！またモンハンを楽しむ日々を送りたいので少し辛いですが珠集め頑張ります！笑
双剣使いとしてとても尊敬してます！これからもたくさんの動画投稿を楽しみにしてます！ありがとうございました😌
5分台…さすがです！！👏😊
本当にすごいです！私もmasaさんのようにMHWが上手になりたいです。
Never thought I'd see the day I felt sorry for Alatreon
Great run as always 👍
ナイスラン🐏おつでした✨もはや神の領域ww㊗️㊗️
I have never seen someone shut down it's element 3 times before an Escaton, I love this channel
yeah wtf .....
Yeah 3 times and you know your doing bits lol. I can knock him down 2 times but I also can’t do it any quicker than 15 mins solo. This guy is sick lol
Bow can easily do so, too. But going high/pure elemental isn't as necessary as it was advertised to be. This is because raw attack is what actually kills alatreon much much faster because his elemental hitzone values are actually poor.
czcams.com/video/JZ-AO0pM3UA/video.html
You only really need just a high enough element attack to "contain his power" just 1x which is already sufficient to make escaton judgement survivable. The advantage of doing so more than once is it gives more breathing room to heal escaton tick damage. And more knockdown means more window to deal damage to his horns so you can achieve an easier break once he shifts to dragon element (his horns are only breakable when he's in dragon mode btw).
I agree with IDeVaste, going full elemental is only good for weakening escaton judgement but sub-optimal overall in terms of damage and breaking the horns (and other parts and causing flinches and claggers for that matter). This is why almost all of the fastest clear times I see only aims to reach the elemental dps check just 1x and then the rest of the builds are actually geared more towards more damage that is mostly raw.
Look at this SnS heroics run for example (the fastest solo run I've ever seen! nearly killing alatreon before it could even do an escaton)
czcams.com/video/JprkRBN2jcg/video.html
And SnS is pretty suitable for elemental damage yet his build is for getting as much raw as possible.
Then compare DB to Bow.
czcams.com/video/TPkpbAMw6HI/video.html
Although both can easily shut down alatreon's element 3x prior his 1st escaton, DB clears much faster because it can be very balanced between raw and element (thereby dishing out much more damage) as opposed to Bow which simply speaking is a pure elemental weapon with dragon piercer as its only raw-focused move.
If anything, I think alatreon's 1st escaton comes usually at a little over the 5 minute mark, and from runs such as this and others where alatreon's element is shut down 3x, I'm lead to believe that this is the max and actually forces escaton to come out earlier to sort of reset his elemental threshold (kinda like teo/luna mode reset after nova or nergi spike reset after divebomb)
It is now also shown to be possible for 4P to kill alatreon without him getting to pull off an escaton judgement. This is achievable by dishing out the highest numbers (I think ideally high raw with high enough element just in case but could actually be doable pure raw. Edit: 4P-bowgun world record is pure pierce).
czcams.com/video/zUN9qFUc7F4/video.html
czcams.com/video/CCkHa67smys/video.html
Granted these are very optimized runs and godly monster AI RNG, but still... Don't you think it's quite ironic that DB being largely considered as the best matchup for alatreon has yet to accomplish the same feat and that 4P-GS has beat it to the punch? Even SnS and its mini-GS tier attacks get to have faster clear times...
I actually managed to get the special knockdown FOUR times in one of my solo runs, plus a K.O lol. After escaton I got another knockdown for a total of five in one run; I think the escaton judgement timing is %HP based and considering how sloppy my run was (by letting him enrage during aerial phase and taking needless hits) I was able to delay it enough to get an extra KD.
Here's the run for proof: czcams.com/video/E85JNgUKirA/video.html
I'm still practicing how to script runs but so far I've managed to get my time down to about 7 min so i'm nowhere near Masa's level yet :P
@@Sarutobi-xd4pw it's more of a race to see who can kill the other 1st
> kills alatreon
> doesn’t even carve
Excuse me whaaaaat?!
最初から強すぎる
スゲー立回りしてるのにお供の名前が可愛いW
見てて気持ちいい立ち回りでした！5分台素晴らしすぎます…！
imagine this person accepting your SOS flare, free win
LMAO
A dream
Not if you cart 3 times first 🤣
In fact this is like a dance, with more participants it becomes unpredictable and harder with that dps build
I am French. You are a Great player ! C'est vraiment incroyable. J'adore ta façon de jouer !
Wow, you are insane! my best solo run was about 8 min and I can't see myself going below 7 anytime soon :[
やっべあんた最強だよ
早すぎんだろ 神かよ...
まさに神速
同じ双剣使いの身としては参考にしたいですけど無理そうですねこれは...
アルバトリオン、約6分よくがんばったよ泣
Masa quick question what is the best blast dual blades? Is it the safi with teostra technique, or raging brachy ones?
まじで当て所上手すぎ
双剣５分台おめでとうございます凄すぎますmasaさんナイスランです🎊㊗️👏
ゆうたさん、ありがとうございます！
何とか5分台でました💦
ウィッチャーコラボの双剣がカッコよスギィ‼️
amazing!
いやすご
始めの2回目抑制くらいまでは同じくらいなんだけどその後がなかなか上手く回らないんだよなぁ
初手雷で吹っ飛ばせなかった時とか最速じゃないとき上限何分くらいかかってるのか気になる……
あと乱舞多めで切ってる回数少ないから研ぐ回数も少なく済んでるのかな……？
単に早いから剛刃の恩恵だろうか
How did you get the green dash effect? and the weird thing on your left arm?
Arigatou Master Masha, i'm so glad i'm subscribed to your channel! Sasuga!
this classic music of quest complete is so God like
うぽつ
なるほど、頭に傷を入れないのは傷無しでも100%になる調整だからか
まさかソロで3回抑制するとは……さすがっす。もう言葉が出ない()
双龍さん、うぽありです！
頭に傷入れても確か85→88で3しか上がらずあまり美味しくないので傷は前脚にしてダウン時に殴る事を考えて傷なし100%構成って感じです〜
双剣の属性ダウンほんと早いですよね🤣
seriously this is close to the theoretical max with this build
Masaさん流石です！！お相変わらず双剣の神と言えばMasaさんですね！！僕もいつかこれぐらい上手くなりたいです！
うおおおおおおお
マジマジおめでとうございます！！！！
すごい！すごすぎてすごい！！！
taはいつも散弾ヘビィ散弾ヘビィで悔しい思いでしたが、やっぱり双剣！masaさんの双剣ですよ！！最強の双剣使い！
立ち回りすごすぎです！
masa is perfect hunter!!!!!!!
はややややややや😳
Under 6 mins!! Way to go!
マジで歴史の教科書載るべきだと思うわ
だがモンハンの歴史の教科書には載らない....
体力ゲージ上のアイコンがスゴいことになってる
6分切りおめでとうございます！
That moment when it takes you 5 minutes to hit the first dps check...
And that is actually already sufficient to make escaton judgement survivable with proper max potion / astera jerky timing.
czcams.com/video/JZ-AO0pM3UA/video.html
Going pure/high elemental isn't as optimal as it was hyped up to be. Just aim to have a high enough element to be able to weaken EJ once then the gear the rest of your build for higher dps (ideally for more raw after enough element has been reached, but up to players to add some more element just in case and depending on how aggressive they can be on dealing elemental damage). This is because alatreon's elemental hitzone values (hzv) are actually low whereas his raw hzv are very high (his highest is second only to Kulve Taroth's which is the game's highest). The need for high element on weapons is to counter these poor element hzv as you aim to beat the element dps check at least once to make EJ survivable. The resulting knockdown is great and all but if you geared pure elemental and didn't boost your raw attack as well, it'll actually take much longer to break his horns and it'll also take longer to kill him.
Balance is key.
Look at this SnS heroics run and also his non heroics run. In both, he reached the elemental dps check only once yet he achieved comparable and even faster clear times than DB. In the heroics run, he even came really close to killing alatreon before it was able to do an EJ.
czcams.com/video/JprkRBN2jcg/video.html
Ironically, GS players are actually achieving some of the fastest clear times such as this
czcams.com/video/NzcjJ2z1dJc/video.html
4P-GS have even been able to kill alatreon sub 4'. Alatreon was not given the chance to do its nova.
czcams.com/video/zUN9qFUc7F4/video.html
4P-Bowgun World record (pure pierce)
czcams.com/video/CCkHa67smys/video.html
And bows are actually getting slower solo clear times due to being purely elemental aside from dragon piercer and I guess thousand dragons (slinger burst).
Granted these are very optimized runs and monster AI RNGesus smiling at the time, but still the point that having so/too much element is not as necessary as advertised has now become more apparent.
And for those struggling with alatreon's flying mode, just as in previous games where when speedrunners go against black dragons they farcaster out once the monster becomes airborne so as to ground it, the work-around in this iteration of alatreon's fight are smokebombs and/or ghillie mantle which achieves the de-aggroing effect which is what actually makes black dragons land back down. 😁
Sarutobi1092 this would be useful if his gear was actually good and worth fighting him for
@@orlad.hunter3344 it is though
RaelJSR it’s not better than the current meta rn 🤨
@@orlad.hunter3344 it might not be meta but you cant say its not usefull
nice！so cool！
Sugoi senpai !!!😍
He dose not let altreon to shift to ice ... Very nice run i ever see🤟
This man too strong gg
masa the DB god
amazing run！！5分台おめでとうございます🎉㊗️🎉
TAKEさん、ありがとうございます！
頭おかしい（誉め言葉)
双剣の回避のモーションこんなカッコよかったっけ…
切ってる音が気持ちいい🤣
いやw早すぎるw
アルバもよく耐えたもんだw
How are you able to go into the clutch claw spins without doing the spin to win? I tried to do what you did and it doesn't work I can only do spin to win>two upper spins>clutch attack. I noticed you were able to do dodge>upper spins>clutch or attack>upper spins>clutch which is faster.
I think the combo is dodge > Y attack > A attack > A attack > Clutch
I've never actually pulled it off myself, though, so I'm not 100% sure
@@saacinecrozma8317 It's dodge>Y>B>B>left trigger. Figured it out.
スネ夫「せめて剥ぎとれ」
So is Judgement on a timer or a damage threshold? It feels like this one's came out faster than in any of my slow-ass hunts
Elemental threshold
I'm pretty sure it's at the 5 minute mark no matter what. It was in this video, and it usually feels like I've been through three of them by the time I get to the 15-18 minute mark. His speed in shifting phases does seem to vary, but that might just be placebo
Mad skills!
Hello Masa, if I dont have a Kajar daggers, what set can you recommend me using? Currently i have silver sol set + safi ice dual blades and ita taking me atleast 18 minutes to finish alatreon solo. Thx.
That is a good set, though you can change it to 2p Velk + 3p Safi with resentment, more damage but less comfy
@@phamlamanh4472 hmm let me try it, thanks for the info. I didn't grind for the Kajar last time been busy with other stuff.
双剣が導入された時と同じ感動を思い出した
私はこれまでに30回の試みのうち2回彼を殴りました。彼を倒して初めて、もっと短い時間で彼をやる気がします。あなたは私たちにマサをインスパイアします！ありがとうございます。
You are good at Japanese.
@@user-xd6ox9mw2t おう！ありがとうな！
回避の装衣も着ると避けたら緑色に光りましたっけ？
when the monster cant dmg you so you choose to dmg yourself
The best!
Okay what are those crazy ass moves for tenderizing and that dodge animation!? Mods?? They're sick
Nope. Dual Blades has a one-hit tenderize combo. Press O or B a bunch and hit L2/LT to clutch.
The dodge itself is from Demon Mode, the animation is probably actually a mod
Dual blade idol😎
The skill woaouh
You are insane
好俊的雙刀！好酷
How can I have that green dash effect?
すみません、回避のときの緑エフェクトてどうやってもらえるんでしょうか？
ワールドの時コラボしたウィッチャーのクエストからジルエアエルとゆう武器が作れるのですが、これを武器重ね着にしたら回避した時エフェクトが出るようになります😊
@@masa-tj1or あ、なるほど。僕も持っているそうのですぐ作ります。ご返答ありがとうございます！！
Anyone know what it says in english? I'm curious as well, looks sick 👍
何故 アルバトリオン相手にこんなに短い武器で戦えるんだ
shaved by gillete under 6 minutes, awesome :D
LMAI
What kind of slinger is that?
HRとMRがもう変態
Dude you are 4 times faster than me killing single alatreon after 20 tries
Fast as lightning!
Any alternate ice dual blades? I can't get the ice kjarr.
You'd probably do okay with an ice safi. Maybe velkhana or the new barrioth dual blades would work too.
モンハン界のリヴァイ兵長ですね( ˙▿︎˙ )b
9分10秒台いけたけど並ハンなのっていいすか？
Awesome
...Nani!!!
god...!
I gotta know how many hours this took
陸上の短距離を見ているような気分
素晴らしいです！(_๑òωó)_ﾊﾞｧﾝ
세리에나 맙소사..
i haven't kill it even once, yet you have done it under 6 min...
回避着てる時の乱舞177ダメージw
王ネロのときは災禍を入れてましたが、アルバだと属性耐性をlv3にして災禍を入れてないのはなぜなんでしょう？
アルバ相手だと龍やられになる可能性があり納刀してウチケシの実食べるのは勿体ないので属性やられ耐性3にしてます😊
masa なるほど！返信ありがとうございます！
he is using kjarr dagger but how does he have ciri dash
何なんこの無駄のない動き‼️
はぁ、やっぱ双剣カッコいいな…
so i dont need crt eye lvl 7 to get high numbers?
Evasion mantle; successful evasion gives attack boost of +30% of base attack for 20 seconds. True Safi and weakness exploit gives a lot of affinity, 90%.
Damn what makes his dodge blue like that
エグすぎる。乱舞で177ダメージとか出てるときあるやん。
masaさんってトライをトライしていく人ですか？