No Ou Shinkansen. Shin-Itaya Tunnel and Yamagata Shinkansen are sufficient.
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- čas přidán 16. 04. 2021
- Yamagata Prefecture is working quite aggressively to upgrade the Yamagata Shinkansen to a full-standard Shinkansen, the Ou Shinkansen.
And, along with the activity to attract the Ou Shinkansen, Yamagata Prefecture is discussing with JR East about the construction of the Shin-Itaya tunnel.
The effects obtained from the construction of the Shin-Itaya tunnel are sufficient. And the benefits obtained by maintaining the Mini-Shinkansen are also sufficient.
I think the Yamagata Shinkansen which is the Mini Shinkansen is a better choice for the locals in Yamagata.
You will find why in this video.
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Not forgetting, the Yamagata Shinkansen runs past many small towns with loads of farmland, so I don't think the locals will be very happy if a viaduct for a Shinkansen was constructed, taking up some of their land and blocking out the sun to grow their crops during some parts of the day. Maybe they should not only focus on tunnel construction, but also upgrading the trackbed of some straight sections of the existing conventional line to allow for increased operating speed up to 160km/h - 170km/h, if they really want to reduce the travel time to Shinjo.
I do wonder how the travel times would look if they not only upgraded the tracks to shinjo to minimize delays but then continued the line up to Omagari to link up with the route to Akita.
In the case of Yamagata any improvements really help speed up access to Tsuruoka and Sakata. The Tsuruoka area especially has very untapped potential for enhanced tourism. There is many great shrines and temples as well as natural attractions in the area.
In the case of Akita Yokota would appear to benefit most from having the direct connection to the shinkansen network yet how much different would the time really be comped to taking the local from Kitakami or connecting via Omagari. Clearly it would be a lot slower so who really benefits from this I suspect would be people living north of Yamagata city and people living around Sakata and Tsuruoka. However, I can see only limited application for this as how often are people living in these locations trying to go north? Lets face it that the real $ is to and from Tokyo.
As a tourist I would love a faster way to get from Yamagata to Akita but I feel that in all cases would it not be cheaper and improve access for locals if instead the moneys for this was used to improve the travel times on conventional lines from Shinjo to Furukawa and Yamagata to Sendai.
Honestly, it would be interesting to see the loop going to Furukawa from Shinjo and back so you would go Fukushima to Furukawa via Yamagata and could link back up and then go to Akita or to Tokyo from there. This may act to make the entire Yamagata region more accessible from both North and South. For example for a traveler in Sendai imagine being able to get on a single train direct to Shinjo for the transfer to Sakata or Tsuruoka. Sometimes it is not just about Tokyo but also improving access to and from other major cities in the region for both locals living in those places and travelers who already at said locations.
I tend to agree. The cost of a full Shinkansen upgrade would be enormous. Building the Shin-Itaya tunnel will do a lot to eliminate the slow, winding (and unreliable in winter) route and will create the best improvement for the Yamagata Shinkansen. There could be smaller improvements along the existing lines from Yonezawa north, such as curve reduction, sound barrier installation and level crossing removal that could help to improve the overall line speed within the existing corridor as well. Maintaining as a mini-Shinkansen also at least leaves the door open for a potential future extension - I tend to be more of an advocate for extending to Tsuruoka or Sakata than to Omagari along the Rikuu-West Line than further on the Ou Main Line - I think the region might get more out of having a mini-Shinkansen than the sparsely populated (but very scenic) section between Shinjo and Omagari... but I'm of two minds about it. It could be cheaper and faster to make targeted improvements to the Uetsu Line and limited express trains through to Niigata (assuming a Tokyo connection is the key objective).
I do wonder if they'd do what they did with the Akita Shinkansen and have dual guage tracks to allow freight and holiday trains to use the Ou Mainline again. Its not like the lines are super busy as it is.
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Takeshi-san I was wondering where the Hokuriku shinkansen extension would end at Osaka. Is there place at Shin-Osaka for it to terminate? Could you explain how that situation will look like when finished?
The Hokuriku Shinkansen will have a station at Shin-Osaka underground.
Shin-Osaka station belongs to JR Central. Hokuriku Shinkansen cannot enter the current Shin-Osaka station.
In the future, there will be two underground stations in Shin-Osaka, one for the Hokuriku Shinkansen and the other for Maglev.
@@JPRailcom Thank you Takeshi! This means that the two will remain separated.
very interesting
I think this plan would profit from extending to Akita, however you mentioned Akita was already very satisfied with their own connection to Tohoku Shinkansen and aren't active on Ou shinkansen plan. I think, they need to reconsider. The Ou shinkansen and Akita shinkansen could be operated together. And the previous route for the Current line could be ran by a limited express shuttle type train between the Tohoku and Ou shinkansen lines.
Actually comming back to this comment after an hour of thinking, Akita would lose direct passenger connections with the tohoku region. Say Akita to sendai. It would require passengers to use the shuttle and change to the shinkansen. This would increase travel times and I dont think anyone is waiting for that.
Would it make sense to make to Ou shinkansen continue from Shinjo to Akita replacing both mini shinkansen lines by one fully high speed ones?
With Japan's current demographics and tunnel-heavy construction costs no. Tohoku shinkansen-Akita mini line will have to do. Had JNR been better run in the 1980's it might have been doable.
I wonder, if the tunnel is built, how far the speed could be increased there. You want trains to be able to pass one another there, but you want them fast. Could they push it as far as 200 km/h within the tunnel?
The Yamagata Shinkansen is just a type of conventional line, so a maximum speed of 160km / h is appropriate.
There is no train in Japan that runs faster than this on conventional lines.
In addition, if the train is operated at a speed exceeding the maximum speed of 200 km / h, it will be operated under the law of the Shinkansen, and construction will not be approved easily.
So tecnically a train can run at 195 km/h.
I got an idea, how about do some further upgrade to some major parts of Yamagata Shinkansen (makes it becomes Super-Express) and speed up the operation speed to 160 km/h (or even 200km/h)?
If it is financially feasible, it would be desirable to upgrade the routes of major sections.
However, the maximum speed must be less than 200km / h.
If it exceeds 200km / h, it will be constructed under the Shinkansen Law, and the construction will not be approved easily.
The maximum speed 160 km/h is appropriate.
Fully agree with you, Takeshi. But, may be it is better to continue Yamagata Shinkansen to Akita, in order to increase the passenger number?
Even if the Yamagata Shinkansen is extended to Omagari Station on the Akita Shinkansen, I don't think the number of users will increase much.
Because, the only big towns in the middle of Shinjo and Omagari station are Yuzawa and Yokote. But, these towns have a population of less than 100,000.
And when going from these towns to Tokyo, it's faster to go to Omagari Station and take the Akita Shinkansen than to use the Yamagata Shinkansen. They don't take the Yamagata Shinkansen.
Also, even if the Ou Shinkansen is opened to Akita, it will only take about 10 minutes faster than the current Akita Shinkansen to Tokyo.
Smart move bypass the curves
Agree with you that only the construction of tunnel is needed.
Hi Takeshi-san, thank you for the new video! For the new tunnel and full shinkansen, I think now they are at the crossroad already as JR East has announced the construction of Fukushima station ramps. If they really want the full shinkansen, they'd better do the ramp improvement work and new line work together. What I can think of is, to build the full shinkansen from Fukishima to Yonezawa. And the local Yamagata line to run like Fukui LRT, which build more stops along the Fukushima area, but JR shall still deploy minimum trains between Fukushima and Yonezawa, and Yamagata prefecture shall bear the maintenance between Yonezawa and Niwasaka. Then it will be fair to all parties because 我田引鐵 shall have a price...
And for the Fukui prefecture bearing percentage, did they enjoyed any advantage? You know how fierce the Fukui government were when the line was only constructed to Kanazawa but Fukui...
Well, they decided to initially end at Kanazawa because there are mountainous regions between Kanazawa and Fukui, and that would have *REALLY* added to the cost of initial construction. In fact, Fukui actually built the viaducts for the Shinkansen line at JR West Fukui Station _long_ before the current line extention construction, and that viaduct was initially used by (I believe) Echizen Railway until recently.
I also considered making a high-speed line only between Fukushima Station and Yonezawa Station.
However, even if you take a high-speed line between Fukushima Station and Niwasaka Station, the travel time will probably be reduced by only 1 to 2 minutes.
And if that line is opened, there will be a problem with the conventional line between Fukushima Station and Niwasaka Station.
I think LRT is a very good idea. If the Ou Shinkansen is opened to Shinjo, Yamagata Prefecture may bear this cost. However, if only the section between Fukushima Station and Yonezawa Station is open, Yamagata Prefecture will not agree.
I think their purpose is only to open to Shinjo Station on the Ou Shinkansen.
@@Sacto1654 That's why I said they are very fierce, they made a deal-breaking offer and done their own part which can be seen here:
www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12718104
On the other hand, to facilitate the Shinkansen construction the Echizen Railway "borrowed" the Fukui Shinkansen station area to make space for their own track/station elevation works, which is said to be a very recent and rare Shinkansen-use land/track lending case.
@@JPRailcom Maybe it would be easier to build the tunnel in full shinkansen spec which enable further improvement option, rather than 160kph spec. With the current situation, handover the local section to Fukushima will only lead to critics like "bullying Fukushima like usual"...(which is somewhat quite true due to historical reason)
Isn't the Yamagata Shinkansen getting the new E8 train sets starting in 2022-2023 to cut the travel time anyway? A big problem with the current E3 train sets is the top speed limit of 275 km/h, well under the speeds capable by the E5, H5 and E6 train sets now operating.
E8 will come in next 2 years. It will improve max speed at 300 kph.
@@JPRailcom with the phasing out of the E2 train sets in 2023, the Yamagata Shinkansen will need faster train sets than the E3. Hence the E8 model.
Why not let only Shinkansen in the tunnel and let them run at 275km/h (260 if seibi shinkansen)? Just let conventional trains pass the old route. Combining the double tracking and Shin-Itaya tunnel will shorten the trip from Tokyo to Yamagata to 2 hours.
If the train operates at 200km / h or more, it will be within the scope of the Shinkansen Basic Law.
As soon as the construction of all lines in Hokkaido, Hokuriku, and West Kyushu, which are currently under construction, is expected to be completed, discussions on the construction of the next Shinkansen may begin.
If Yamagata Prefecture wants to start construction immediately, it is currently a better choice to apply for construction at a speed of 200 km / h or less on conventional lines.
@@JPRailcom Let it run at 199km/h in the meantime
@@JPRailcom Could they start building the tunnel for normal lines specs but build it so that it could be upgraded to full Shinkansen specification? I know the tunnel would have to be larger but it would be a way to start now and use it for the mini Shinkansen until finding can be secured for upgrade to full Shinkansen.
At least building a tunnel sounds better than destroying someone's home ...