secret true Wing Chun history Part1
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- čas přidán 6. 05. 2012
- The secret true wing chun history your master didn't tell you part 1. Secret of Yuen Kay San, Sum Nung Wing Chun history, Secret of Yipman Wing chun history, Secret of KuLou Wing Chung history. The secret techniques that are missing from other masters. You will have better understanding about Wing Chun after finish the videos.
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I am interested to see why Wing Chun students of today think that it is important who trained who and who did what. Totally irrelevant and not possible to find out with any accuracy due to the secretive nature of China anyway. All that matters is do you enjoy your training? Is it combat effective? I say to you if you are not doing full contact sparring then your Wing Chun is definitely not combat ready. Chi Sao is not enough. You need to be using your Wing Chun against real strikes thrown with speed and intent from all ranges. Otherwise a real fight will make you feel like a beginner. Don't get me wrong Wing Chun is deadly when you know how to use it. The problem these days is schools have softened and do not put it to the test. This is why BJJ and MMA have gained so much ground - they test their skills nearly every class. Do the same with your Wing Chun and it is strong.
that is true, you can learn from the 'real' lineage but still remain untalented with terrible sparring skills...
You are goddamn right
I agree, With out pressure testing a martial art and it’s applications it’s just a dance.
Anyone who knows Cantonese can find a strange thing during his speech, at the English translation has two times mentioned about Yuen Kei San had taught Yip Man, and Yip Man trained under Yuen for certain times, but this man's original speech in Chinese never mentioned about that, Why? why people don't think about how their Kung Fu now but never forget to say : My Si Fu is better then yours, and once your Si Fu learned from my Si Fu..........". Meaningless.
You have done a great contribution for Wing Chun. To correct the right learning of Wing Chun.
Thank you very much for all your information foodyrulez. I wish I'll one day have a chance to learn something in person from either you or your SIFU.
Thanks so much for sharing!!
You need a good heart and lots of money to learn real Wing Chun Kung Fu. So true. Chopped off footwork,ground fighting , Chin Na,anti grabbing, and various training segments, and the most important the concepts and principles. All left out of many Wing Chun sytems. With the advent of the internet, it's quite easy to find many schools doing different things. Not many exhibit high level principles.
馮少青的傳人並非只有阮氏兄弟两人，還有鄧算，董植，羅蔭南，馬伯良等人，他們的知名傳人如朱頌民，鄧奕，譚光，羅超垣曾聚集香港的大德欄，以少林永春拳名稱傳授學自馮少青的功夫，其內容主要有:永春拳(又稱作十一拳)，雙攻拳，三拜佛，花拳及樁拳等，卻沒有葉問所傳詠春拳的小念頭，尋橋與標指等套路。目前阮奇山門人所傳的內䆟大致上與葉問系相同，卻與馮小青其他弟子後人所傳的有很大分别!因此我相信阮奇山詠春保存馮小青系的內容極少，于梁讚系得到的較多。當年阮濟雲遠赴越南前曾吩咐親弟阮奇山及弟子姚才向他的好友吳仲素深造拳術，而葉問於恩師去世後也是追隨師兄吳仲素繼續學習。當年的詠春三雄就是在吳仲素武館內共周研習詠春的。三雄後人所傳的詠春內容大同小異!! 阮奇山的傳人喜歡標榜是有秘傳心法的內家綠春，而蔈問傳人卻喜歡用三角幾何力學原理闡䆁詠春拳理。
廣州縣致有所記錄，梁讚因打死大兒子元福，而改洪拳武藝為三套拳、改進十二式。短片作者，對別派了解太少了，或者講係傳承比較完整的。重有，飛棍服飛龍係真係飛龍而唔係飛鴻，黃飛龍。係後人為捧詠春所誤傳，梁讚徒弟中係有一個人叫黃飛龍。另外，鄧奕係晚年回憶錄中有提到，少青鄧算二人互有師承，少青是紅船詠春，鄧家係飛來寺學黎既家傳南少林詠春。後面二人換藝而相互補充。
TheRamik I know that because my sifu's grandfather was Yiu Choi who knew yip man personally. Back then Wing Chun was a rich man's art. To be accepted as inner chamber disciple, one had to pay vast amounts of money. This is because typically, the poorer students learned for peanuts and the rich students were the one's funding the sifu's expenses. Even today, the same tradition still occurs in foshan although it is nowhere near as expensive. This is part of the tradition. nothing new here. Yip Man was from a very wealthy family before the war, and naturally would have been required to pay a lot of money to learn the art.
Is there a part 2 to this video? Great video, btw, thanks much.
Truely good stuff. Many people don't realize that this man is 100% correct. Alot of WC is external. Those that have the internal aspect will beat the masters of external w/ none The internal will always (typically) defeat external as the external is hollow kung fu.
Very well said.
its good to know where your art is coming from. and how it been modded over generation. its not all about training but understanding it history, and how kung fu have been shaped over the years.
I am so glad that those guys who don't know this lineage. Because they just miss a lot.
Because the way I practice is dynamic, not a scripted sequence. You have to train in the right way and retrain your reflexes so you react in the right way, every single time. (The result is basically, whenever someone tries to do any move on you, they lose immediately). When we deal with grabs we use a single movement which immediately gets rid of the grab and simultatiously prepares for the next move, while covering. What I do is designed to get rid of the opponents ability to do anything.
EXACTLY!
Monks don't have to work for a living. They have more time on their hands to do the longer forms and learn the more advanced teaching. Times changed and they needed to produce fighters in a short amount of time. Different forms were modified, only the core principles remain.
Wong Fei Hung, 1847-1924, Yuen Kay San 1889-1956, How do you says Wong Fei Hung fight again Yuen Kay San, When its happened? Wong Fei Hung too old for fight with Yuen Kay San.
there are differing timelines for differing source and differing stories from this whole era. this was also an era where kung fu was openly supressed by governments things are shady
Maybe the 108 movements were to keep people in good shape- Maybe that's why there are so many out of shape WC people.
hahaha! I noticed that after meeting many mainlanders as well!
please pm me with details on this fight please
If there's rumor tales of Wing Chun that nobody is fond of,then just remember to win fights to prove that u r a true Wing Chun fighter...Cos Wing Chun will always prevail with some homeworkes done...
Hello KungFu Dreamer, can you tell us who this person is?
It’s fascinating for sure but again every WC style and lineage always say their Wing Chun is the best and true
He tells you 108 forms .in modern life defence in closed area or street defence dont need 108 forms . Most fights end in 2 mins. A power punch is good enough to discourage or knocknout attacker
Most of the people that seriously alter the system have no real reasoning behind it too! The best you get is a vague description like, "Oh well some things were repetitive so they were removed" or "Sifu XYZ improved the system and thats why it was changed" Never do you actually see a legitimate application or logical reason behind the alterations which is just a huge red flag to me.
Definately, just before he gets picked up I can see that he could have prevented it easily, as there was a method that does work that he was in the right position to use. Emin had two arms trying to lift him up, that means no arms to defend his face, William doesn't even know the move too, else he would have used it. William actually tried to get the methods I use 20 years ago, off my Sifu :). You wouldn't believe what William will do to try and get something from you.
He talked a lot for the sake of glorifying Yuen kay San and Sum Nung Wing Chun but without any evidence to support its statement.
when i lived in california i was fortunate to run in to a recreational community center that thought wing chung for 125 dollar for the 3 months of summer i also overheard one of my instructors say they learned they wing chung skills from IP man true story in Union city california as a matter of fact i still owe them money. apparently i was a natural Sanfrancisco a Bart/Metro/Subway away
+pedro flores Cool, but Yip man did not have public death duels like Yuen Kay-San, would be cool to learn from that like
There are NO actual accounts in ANY public writings about 'anything' YKS' did. EVERYTHING that has been put out there is by Sum Num, his ONLY disciple. Even the 'three hero's' thing is subject to question. In early accounts told by Sum, he said his SiFu was very quiet and secretive and that he NEVER did anything in public. NOW, he's Ip Mans teacher??? What a crock!
Correct even his grandson knows what he knows from Sum. Ip Man never said anything bad about Yuen during his life. This is all students and grand students bad mouthing the dead to promote one lineage over another. When Ip returned to Foshan from Hong Kong Ng Chun so was still teaching by all oral accounts. It is most likely He, Yuen and Yiu all played Chi sau together at Ng,s School and that's about it.
這是錯的詠春。我們的視頻有示範對的。對的詠春拳是硬的，而不是軟的。
Ground fighting is not a high level technique, if you do Wing Chun properly its almost impossible to go on the ground. (as they need to have contact, how can they get you on the ground if you cannot lose your balance to anything that requires contact?)
You are what is wrong with Wing Chun
@@rayray6490 No, What's wrong with Wing Chun is that 99.999999999% of people who do it aren't actually doing it at all. You do not know anything about the system at all.
咏春起源于红船歌剧团的红船。 布鲁斯“最长的老师（按学年计算）实际上不是叶曼·斯夫，也不是叶曼斯的任何学生。 相反，是红船歌剧团成员已故的高祖父傅高阳（音译）做了红船功夫。 杨师傅是布鲁斯的教父，也是他父亲的好朋友。 杨将军住在西雅图，正是他让布鲁斯在已故的Ruby Chows的餐厅工作。 叶问咏春不是唯一的血统，也不是唯一的做事方式。
anyone who advertise that wing chun originated from a woman deserves his ass to be kicked in a fight!
詠春名氣好，永春又話ㄡ話自已人，出面詠春手法款款不同，但歐州詠春多數己葉問為多，老外好少用學國內詠春手法，上網睇睇就知，葉問詠春好底調，深得外國人追奉。將來要跟外國人學詠春。31.05.2019
Just because its not possible for you don't say its not possible for me, you don't know how, so how can you say anything? (its the method, only contained in Wing Chun that can prevent it) How can you be surprized by a grappler if you know that they are going to try and surprize you? why? what you say only makes sense to an MMA fighter who doesn't know what is possible. And no, you don't want to take a grappler to the ground, why would you put them in their element? not neccesary to do that.
It takes someone very confidient to believe he can stop grapplers - including the highly skilled ones - everytime they try to take him on the ground. There are methods to counteract grappling techinques, but how can you be sure that you will be able to use it efficiently everytime?
Secret TRUE my ASS, o NA!!!!!
Does that mean in William Cheung's infamous fight, had he used your training methods, there is no way Emin Bozetepe can take him down on the ground?
How do you know Yip Man paid a lot of money to learn Wing Chun? Who told you that? Do you have evidence??
You have evidence that he didn't? I mean other then stories in your lineage?
you have no idea how much yip man actually paid to learn kung fu did you? Wing Chun used to be called the rich mans kung fu for a reason.
Also every picture that you see of Yuen Kay San he always looked so skinny and frail, we are to believe that he was better than Yip Man? Come on now.
Yes, I am not buying alot of this either. He defeated Wong Fei Hong, but put down Wong Fei Long so he wouldn't lose face. Also Yip Man learn from him for 2 years, then only one. Which one is it? They exchanged techniques, Yip Man was not his student. Although Yip Man was keen if he saw something good, he would test it and incorporate it. Political video.
Agreed, much about yuen is unverified. Fok bo Chun only ever taught Yuen's older brother SLT and some animal sets. Fung siu ching never taught SLT.CK or Biu tze (look at the older branches of Fungs teaching ie...Tang Yik. The truth is he studied briefly with Fok, Fung as a boy and later Ng Chun so (which is how he knew Ip Man (they were classmates). Kwok fu and Lung Gai both remember Yuen. Was he good gung fu man? Yes, was his history made up largely by sum nung to make him senior? I think so. Claiming there was an unpublished book about Yuen means nothing. As to notes by the Foshan committee so often held up? The govt had no official records as to the history of each lineage in fact during the cultural revolution they all were in hiding. When Gung fu became acceptable and permissible (and even a tourist attraction the committee asked different lineages for their histories which were included in their record.
If you think that you are so good that it is impossible for anyone to take you down on the ground, think again. Ideally, you would like to knock a grappler down before he has a the chance to take you down onto the ground, but realistically, this will not happen every time. Always respect your opponents and never under estimate their abilities - no matter which style of martial arts they use. Grapplers have ways of surprising you, epecially if you are not familiar with their style of martial arts
Everyone try to modify WING CHUN,whether it's from Lueng Zhan,Chan Hwa Soon,Ip Man or Bruce's JKD,,,people don't know whose original ...But who had ever learned the very first hand from founder of Wing Chun," Nun Ng Wi or Yim Wing Chun " who are both female fighters while then Shaolin temple was burned by the Qing Empire...
Wing Chun comes from White Crane and some other styles. So the very first Wing Chun version isnt "original" ; )
If whoever is teaching you taught you all those things, then you should probably get a new teacher, although I know you wont find the right one unless I tell you who to look for. What you have is self limiting beliefs based on what is currently possible with the methods you do. I'm telling you that your lack of ability to stop ground game is because of the style you have chosen itself or whoever taught you, their mistakes are holding you back.
He wasn't undefeated. Google Wong Shun Leung in Taiwan. And he lost other fights. Interesting isn't it?
老作。葉問系，從來都有黐手。
遲早外國人啲詠春先至系正統。
Yeh Yeh Yeh, too much deep theories, but when you go China to see thoses Wing Chun guys doing chi shao, you will laugh. Nowadays who will have time to learn the real complete way?
成日都話其它人未見過，帶晒落棺材。。
living and training Sun Nung Wing Chun in Guangzhou for well over a decade, I can tell you this guy is talking out of his arse.
nunchako? did i sow nunchako? if yes... forget this. this is realy not wnig chun.. was insert there becouse " bruce lee" movies..
That is the most secret weapon of WC only very view did even know about it. Pay me 1000$ and I will teach you : )
呢位兄台吹水，想貼香港葉問詠春之光。你係廣州乜春拳，唔係詠春拳。點好打，都只在廣州佛山。人家葉問詠春一個李小龍已推向全世界 - 點打。還說什麼內家，12心法。國術就是一些所謂正統，無法發揚。人家若如你老前輩說：就是無心法，不是內家，幾下散式，都這麼厲害。
白痴仔
What you learned and who or where you learned it from is irrelevant if you don't put it to the test. Please show a real bad ass Wing Chun practioner (one that the Wing Chun community can accept as a good representation) in a real fight.
岑能条水是最会吹的
同你果条有得挥吖
你䛊條鐵咩！
Haha...
吹到自己支水的詠春最叻最好,講到咁勁又唔見世界聞名吹極都唔掂,有本事就發楊光大,唔使剩係得把口吹，訓練多些徒弟上擂臺打吓贏到就可以威，剩係講自己點好又內家又乜又七，無用㗎
又是欺世盜名之徒
同你一样
Uhh. Wing Chun did originate from a woman. That's the truth. Search it all you want, you can't deny the truth
Do YOU know how many variations of WC's origin there are? Maybe THAT version IS true, MAYBE.. but there is NO verifiable evidence before Leung Jan as to its history. So.. Why do idiots like you, who read something WITHOUT reference, and claim it is the absolute truth? And to address your second question below, YES, Ip DID pay allot of money to be accepted by his SiFu Master Chan. According to Several sources [2 are his son and his own interview] he paid 20 ounces of silver, to be exact, which was enough to by a house at that time. Get off your lazy ass and read a reputable book before you lay down dogmatic statements.
In China they say there is no record of that woman nor were there any Female Nuns at that time. Nor any relatives to confirm. There are also so many similar fanciful stories where the characters in the story do not exist.
Many people regurgitate stories doesn't make them true. Many lineages claim Ng Mui as their founder too yet very different arts are they all telling the truth or borrowing from an 18th century story?
What a joke!