Kendrick Maeldun I think she’s probably more emotional than Livia, she probably has a tiny bit more empathy. Livia seemed like a psychopath through and through to me, Janice isn’t a psychopath.
I always hated that too, she was pushing him to get over Karen while he was grieving, wanting to eat her last Ziti and put her behind him. I always felt like she did it for selfish reasons, not because she genuinely wanted to help Bobby.
She never loved Bobby; she loved the idea of being with a mostly decent guy. Now she will spend the rest of her life convincing herself that she did love him. Soon, he will be a "saint" lol.
Janice is an old hag now, last I heard she was in subsidized housing in North Jersey, Bobbies kids are long gone and haven't spoken to her in 15 years and her own daughter barely speaks to her
she was always like that in fact it looks like she might have improved. her behaviour is a step up from when she was plotting to grab her mothers money
@@sundjatamb3061 they live mafia life, death from shooting is part of their everyday life. they got used to it. but it is a far cry from greedy eyes of janice who was trying to get her mother to confess where she hides the money
The writing on this show... Janice slowly becoming Livia, with her handkerchief, and like in the episode where Tony visits his mother at Green Grove, he brings Janice a box of pastries from Ferrara's.
@@wes2262 that beta and alpha thing is so stupid. Anyone who makes those bold "nice guy" type statements is just a jealous weirdo. Civilization is the only protection for scrawny and sickly sociopaths, if said weirdos weren't so selfish they'd see the big picture and devolution of mankind in general. You better not be the current "winners" when it collapses and these "alpha's" aren't trusted by real leaders who were REALLY chosen/didn't need to play games and have their frail frames protected only by law. Girls can have these guys now because we've created a toxic world where they thrive and that's everyone's fault. These alpha's (from my experience manipulative, dead and physically failing worm people) will be eradicated in such event, leaving REAL leaders with an equilibrium of heart and animalistic power which can't be who you are referring too right? The guys who get chicks now? It's literally impossible.
This scenes compared with the first time we saw this house during Johnny Sac’s homewarming party really hits home with how everybody is either dead, in prison, or flipped
people hated Janice, and in fact, she was fucking incredible in this show because she played that pig sister that everyone hated, and did it extremely well. I nearly hated Carmella too but holy shit they could act.
Robert Iler too. AJ was unbearable. But Robert seems fine lol A lotta actors on the show were half playing themselves like Tony Sirico and Tony Darrow/ Anthony Borgese or channeling people they knew like James Gandolfini, Federico Castelluccio, etc,. But some were reaching well outside their experiences, families, neighborhoods, and who they are and it says a lot about how convincing they were. Amazing cast no doubt.
Such an eerie mood of desolation. An empty house, an empty field, bleak, mid-winter cold, a wind starting to howl, and a woodpecker sound of tap tap tapping like Death knocking on the door. Bobby is dead, Johnny Sack is dead. Janice's anguish is real. She does not know where to go from here. Bobby was a rock for her, and he's gone. Her kid is gone. And she's turned into the mother she hated. Tony tries to reach out. They could have connected.... but she cut the last cords. Such a sad, hopeless grey scene.
Such a great thought to the final story line, setting it in the bleak mid-winter. The desolation, the lack of sunlight. The sound of the wind drifting in from the Hudson.
And the line about cornfields too... It gets me since my childhood fields i used to wander around are houses and shit too. Shows you how much views and shit are worth it
I live in New England and those are really in a psychological sense "dark" days after Christmas. Theres not much to look forward to and when you're outside its so quiet and eerie no birds or anything. Coronavirus really showed me how much I truly hate the days before Easter.
@@The_yeffy1 Hey hey, stay positive. You're white, healthy(relatively I hope), you live in the greatest country on earth(for short while until liberals totally fuck this up). Pick a constructive hobby, maybe get into boating....you guys have an ocean. Or trucking or computers. Or pyrotechics, guns, whatever. Get yourself a hobby and go with it.
The cornfield remark is haunting, as we see Tony reflecting on all that has been lost in the past six years. The symbolism of winter is poignant as well, as it signifies that Tony is now entering into the winter phase of his life - The salad days are gone, with nothing left to look forward to but that slow, inexorable fade into the darkness.
Her comments say it all: "I put ma and all her warped shit behind me". Directly followed by: " Not that I get any thanks for it". The second comment is Livia....verbatim.
SoraN K9 Yeah, she would care for Bobby's kids like she does for Harpo. Later in this episode, Uncle Pat informs Tony that Janice went to Junior to see if she could find his money (but to keep it for her). Then when Tony finally visits Junior he tells him that that money should go to Bobby's kids. Tony at least did care about them.
Just realised what may have pissed Tony off at the end, when he cuts the conversation short. The bitter way Janice says, "Harpo changed his name, he's Hal now" and smoulders. She is turning into Livia, with the way Livia griped about Janice becoming Parvati and saying how she threw away the name she had given her. And Janice just wouldn't be capable of seeing the irony of the whole thing.
"Y'know, five or six years ago, when Johnny Sack bought this house, this was all cornfields here." There is something rather melancholic about that line. Johnny Sack is dead, Bobby Bacala is dead, and the world moved on anyway.
@@DucksAndDucks Wow, it’s been that long. It seemed like it was just yesterday he got out of can. He was not around for very long. He had a short run. How long was he in the can for?
This scene honestly caps off one of the most depressing stretch of episodes in a TV show ever. The bleakness, colorless and inevitable end has arrived for the Sopranos family and everyone involved. Nobody had a good ending and all of the misdeeds have caught up with all of these characters. Janice’s end was just as horrifying as Tony’s as she will exist as a miserable shell in the mold of her mother and that generational pain will be passed on to to her child and Bobby’s children as well.
The wind plays such a strong part in this episode. Such an eerie, ominous device I think to depict that desolate feeling. You picture a ghost town or something like that, and this episode really hammers in the dwindling ranks and those who have been lost, like in the scene with Paulie at satriales. Such a great job.
This is actually kind of a crazy scene considering that, not only is this the last time we see Janice on screen, this is probably the last conversation Janice and Tony have with each other (assuming Tony dies in the last episode). Janice is falling into the same person Livia was and Tony is trying to console her much like how he used to try and console Livia. It all feels like it's coming completely full circle, and Tony doesn't even realize it. At least that's my take from it.
that was the point. Tony seen his mother in her right there and then, who he had despised the majority of his life and eventually became. He seen his older sis was the same and his hypocrisy couldn't deal with the fact their mother's disregard for her kids affected someone other than himself. He was done by this point. It was finished.
Parenting is a thankless job. It's supposed to pay off by the happiness of having children itself. If you expect gratitude from your children, you are a narcissistic parent.
Despite Tony using him as a tool to wind Janice up in Season 5, I have always sensed he really did feel bad for Harpo. Perhaps he felt guilty that he had not done his duty as an uncle to help him when his mother and father were both defective and dysfunctional. He is always the one to bring Harpo up, never Janice.
As cruel of a person as Tony was, I think even he knew that Harpo's plight in life was due to Janice, and no fault of Harpo himself. There is a good chance that Tony might have felt bad for his nephew because at the end of the day, that is still his blood. Even if it is only half Italian.
@@rivera229 Yeah, I think the writers deliberately left Harpo as a tragic but unseen character for this very reason. Tony knew he could have been a better uncle to him.
This scene was literally a look after the end at what happens to Janice. No tony, no way to really get another husband as she's aging and gaining weight. Bobby's kids want to move away and she's slowly descending into becoming livia.
The evolution of Gandolfini as an actor is so apparent in this scene. The depth of character is incredible. He was on his way to becoming one of the greats. We wuz robbed by the thief in the night.
He already was one of the great actors - well before his passing. Now, his absolute mastery of the craft of acting will forever remain immortalized in (arguably) the greatest TV series ever made. As tragic as James Gandolfini's untimely passing was, I'm nevertheless very grateful that we were all lucky enough to witness his once-in-a-lifetime performance as Tony Soprano.
Lol. Even when Bobby is gone (actually RIP to him, he was the only semi decent guy in the crew), Janice is still trying to control and dictate how everything is going to go TO HER CHOOSING. "Sophia is out of her mind if she thinks she's leaving this house" IMMEDIATELY after Bobby is gone and his children want to leave Janice and Tony is angling behind the scenes trying to at least leave some money behind for the kids knowing damn well Janice would just pocket the money and turn everything into a shitshow as she always does.
@@spanishflyevh9606 death is a comma (,).....not a period(.)......what ur mom went thru is tuff and dramatic.....be there for her...let her know ppl can b in a hopeless place in thete head..and sometimes loved ones miss it..and the person harms themselves....but the otherside of the coin is alot of ppl do feel hope or happiness..and she should enjoy life check on the ppl she loves...but have oeace in the fact they might really be in a happy vibe in life...which can change day to day moment to moment...but ppl can b strong and pull through
Godamn it took about 3 years for all of the glory of the family(both personal and business one) to go totally to 0. Major capos dead, consiglieri in the hospital, underboss dead, Chris as a protege of Tony suffocated. In the other family AJ being unstable, Meadown grown up and brainwashed into the "normality" of that life, Carmela turning the marriage into business.....THE LAST SEASON SURE WAS DEPRESSING AND JUST SHOES THE HARSH REALITY AND INEVITABLE END OF THAT LIFE.
"Nica adores her older sister. Sophia is out of her mind if she thinks she's getting out of this house." And then also, "I think Sophia and I have a bond." Wow... Wow. Poor Sophia.
What janice said didn't really sound that bad. Sounds like she's just saying all of that because she doesn't want to let go of Sophia as she feels like she's been a mother to her as she said she feels like they have a bond.
as someone who also had a terrible mother, I feel for Janice, I really do. But still we always have a choice, even if we are hurt and damaged beyond repair, we always have a choice.
Janice was awful from the very start of her life. Not a coincidence that the only thing senile Junior remembers from her is how she attempted to burn his house as a girl. Johnny Boy and Livia were monsters and monstrous parents.
This show was great! towards the end you could see tony geting ready for the bed he had made over the seasons on a collision course with only one ending! like so many mobsters before him great writing.
The European Union is a failing project. What was initially designed to be a trading bloc has slowly mutated into a political union. Very shady stuff among the globalists
Man.. Just reading the comments on this clip shows how much this show had people really feeling the pain of the sopranos. What a masterpiece. And the insight of these comments is just as interesting in its own right. Much love. R.I.P. Tony Soprano. Bobby as well of course.
" I had therapy, I'm a good mother I put Ma and all her wrapped shit behind me...." Channels Livia: "And do I get any thanks for it?" Such great writing, was expecting her to tell Tony how Bobby was a saint.
@@ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available Remember when is still a low form of conversation, but... remember when Janice shot Richie Aprille and Tony made him into a Satriale’s special???
@@ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available no they are really pathetic human beings. Janice attempted to flee from the world and enter into the more Liberal cosmopolitan outside only to by her upbringing and own personality fail time and again until she's forced to return and fall into the mob wife position which leaves her a broken widow by age 50. Tony on the other hand through his own self destructive personality has failed in varying degrees asa father and a boss to the point where he's now king of a crumbling empire that he despises. They're both broken messes doomed to get worse with each passing year until they just become their mother.
I can't believe this show. janice is a character who can be so easily hated, but this scene is still so emotional. you can feel how terrible she feels in this scene. Bobby's love for his wife and kids is what janice wish she could be. And she still jokes about needing another husband... this scene is so tragic, especially considering the kids
Honestly this is the saddest scene in the Sopranos for me. (Tracy‘s death is also on par.) But this scene just illustrates how everyone in that life ends up dead. It’s empty. And ultimately a sad existence.
the 2001: A Space Odyssey parallels here in this scene and throughout the whole episode are so chilling--dude is just cruising towards the end without even realizing, moments becoming jumps in time
@@michaelmcgee2026 to his blood relatives. He forgave Junior, and provided for janice and livia even though all three of them tried to have him killed. I never understood how someone that ruthless and selfish can be so loyal to his blood family, even under the craziest circumstances. He should have cut out Livia and Janice out of his life years before the show started and stopped craving for his uncle's love and approval way before as well
@@marykay7878 Tony is still a human being and wants the unconditional love that only blood relatives can provide. He knows Carmella never really loved him. Junior attempting to kill him is water under the bridge for him at that point. Considering they're in the mafia life, plotting murder is every other Sunday. He has fond memories with Junior and he's his surrogate father in a way.
Tbf Bobby's first wofe was actually good looking, Bobby made a wise choice going for Janice as it took him closer to Tony and helped with his rise in the family
Echoed here is the old image of a psychiatrist and client, with Tony sitting and offering up potentially positive alternatives and Janice staying stuck (physically and metaphorically) in her rationalizations. Briefly acknowledging the painful truth of what that means but refusing to move or change in any way. Just turn away and go back to pretending it doesn't exist. I love the final image of her turning away after Tony mentions Harpo and she reveals Harpo changed his name. Which is immediately after she just gave a rationalizing and delusional little speech about being a good mom. She obliquely reveals the truth about herself through Harpo's final severing of any remaining connection and then turns away, her hair kind of drawing across her face like a final curtain. Brilliant acting and direction/blocking. She never even gets up out her position of laying in a deck chair for the entire scene but still manages to pull off one hell of a final exit from the show. Such a great scene. The series did right by the aggravating, obnoxious, sometimes charming and always entertaining Janice, and the always excellent Aida Turturro, in having this be her last.
One of the funniest and at the same time disturbing things on the show was Janice and Bobby Jrs relationship. Always hated each other in every scene. Even here she doesn’t even protest him living with the aunt
That fucking moment where Tony mentions Harpo for no real reason other than to bring her down to his level, the moment she even indicates a bit of happiness lol. Twisted as fuck
It was as if the winter solstice suppresses an evil omen for Janice, judging from all her conniving and conspicuous transgressions she places herself. It's a fulfilling feeling finding her desolate and emotionally quenched with no future to call her own now that Bobby's gone.
She is easy to dislike, however, without her Furio would not have existed like we know. She was friends with the actor...fredrico i think and he was not interested and she pestered him until he gave in. He tried out. He got the gig. And we got Furio.
Correcting Tony on Harpo's name is always so cold too. Im pretty sure Harpo is still homeless in Canada(?) at this point, the fact that she knows *enough about him* to act like that and correct Tony...but still won't try to save them in her massive mansion? fucking-a
I often wondered if Harpo/Hal was real. This scene always made me wonder. Tony's reaction to Janice telling him for the 50th time that Harpo changed his name to Hal tells me he knows more about it too.
I always thought it was kind of hinted that Janice never really knew what happened to Harpo. That their communication was cut years ago and whenever Tony brings him up, Janice throws out any excuse she can think of. I wouldn't be surprised if even Janice doesn't know what Harpo is doing, but is just too stubborn and insecure to tell the truth to Tony. It would have been enough fuel for Tony for centuries of ridicule.
Tony tells Butch,Janice has to see something outta this,for hitting Bobby! And Butch actually agrees! Yet when Tony visits Janice,that money is never mentioned! Am I the only one who thinks,Tony kept every penny?! Lol
Tic Tack Nop, the money probably went directly to Bobby’s kids. When Tony visited junior in their last scene, Tony told junior that any money he has should go to Bobby’s kids and that Janice might not do that!
@Chinmay C. Yeah but Janice liked Sophia, she was attached to her to that's why she didn't want to give her so easily as she did with Bobby jr. She said that she put a lot of effort with Sophia
Janice did a whole bunch of crying in this show but she always cried for herself. Even when Tony and Carmela goes to check up on her after Bobby’s killed. She should be strong for the children but she’s crying alone. I bet you she was more scared than the baby on that Park Ride… Great acting!
Her acting and his acting are out of the fucking league here. The moment when she says she needs to grab another husband and her look right after Tony realizes it’s a joke it’s seriously real.
0:47 to 0:50. Powerful moment. Janice realized that no man ever stood up for her the way Bobby did (and he literally risked his life doing it). And Tony realized that Bobby had that strong devotion to family that he foolishly saw in Christopher, and by losing Bobby he lost one of his most dependable guys. All of that conveyed in 3 seconds of silence.
"I'm a good mother" "I get no thanks for it." Livia reincarnate.
As Livia would say "Oh, poor you."
Janice gave her life to her kids on a silver "platta".
I wonder what Harpo thinks about Janice as a mother 🤔🤔🤔
@@Monty_McFly "Sacre bleau, where is me Mama?"
Super daveee we miss you
Janice clutching that rag to sob into is such a great throwback to Livia and foreshadows her descent into being just like her.
Kendrick Maeldun I think she’s probably more emotional than Livia, she probably has a tiny bit more empathy. Livia seemed like a psychopath through and through to me, Janice isn’t a psychopath.
She actually started sounding like her
Jerry 85g yeah, but she’s not as fearless or as cold as Livia
@@doublediamond9226 Livia had Borderline Personality or Narcissistic Personality. its been stated in the show. shes not a psychopath.
Plot twist : perhaps it was Janice that came barging into the diner and put a hole in Tony's head to the sounds of Journey
I hated the way Janice weasled her way into Bobby’s life
Either her or the Widow Palmice, she would have been interesting for Bobby
I always hated that too, she was pushing him to get over Karen while he was grieving, wanting to eat her last Ziti and put her behind him. I always felt like she did it for selfish reasons, not because she genuinely wanted to help Bobby.
She never loved Bobby; she loved the idea of being with a mostly decent guy. Now she will spend the rest of her life convincing herself that she did love him. Soon, he will be a "saint" lol.
Janice is an old hag now, last I heard she was in subsidized housing in North Jersey, Bobbies kids are long gone and haven't spoken to her in 15 years and her own daughter barely speaks to her
I love how Tony just shakes his head and says “Janice...” because now he knows exactly who she’s become. Incredible writing by David Chase.
And at the same time he's blind by the fact that he's exactly like Livia too
she was always like that in fact it looks like she might have improved. her behaviour is a step up from when she was plotting to grab her mothers money
@@sundjatamb3061 they live mafia life, death from shooting is part of their everyday life. they got used to it. but it is a far cry from greedy eyes of janice who was trying to get her mother to confess where she hides the money
David chase DIDN'T WRITE EVERY EPISODE!!
Just like they DIDN'T HAVE FLAT TOPS... IN ANCIENT ROME!!!
Tony was the biggest piece of shit but he always cared about his family
The writing on this show... Janice slowly becoming Livia, with her handkerchief, and like in the episode where Tony visits his mother at Green Grove, he brings Janice a box of pastries from Ferrara's.
Wow the pastries is such a good callback, never noticed that!
It’s sad actually.
Nice pickup on that
Both Janice and Tony became like Livia as time went on
Tony even says "Oh poor you!" to Carmela in the Whitecaps argument scene.
Janice didn't deserve such a great guy like Bobby.
APG95 Nice guys finish last with damaged goods.
APG95 what a child
He’s a beta male and beta males always get single mothers
@@wes2262 that beta and alpha thing is so stupid. Anyone who makes those bold "nice guy" type statements is just a jealous weirdo. Civilization is the only protection for scrawny and sickly sociopaths, if said weirdos weren't so selfish they'd see the big picture and devolution of mankind in general. You better not be the current "winners" when it collapses and these "alpha's" aren't trusted by real leaders who were REALLY chosen/didn't need to play games and have their frail frames protected only by law. Girls can have these guys now because we've created a toxic world where they thrive and that's everyone's fault. These alpha's (from my experience manipulative, dead and physically failing worm people) will be eradicated in such event, leaving REAL leaders with an equilibrium of heart and animalistic power which can't be who you are referring too right? The guys who get chicks now? It's literally impossible.
Check out this loser lol.
Dudes having a life crisis on youtube.
“I put Ma and all her warped shit behind me!”
*Talks and behaves exactly like her mother*
I think 90% of what Janice said during the entire series was fake.
This scenes compared with the first time we saw this house during Johnny Sac’s homewarming party really hits home with how everybody is either dead, in prison, or flipped
That’s the same door that Christopher and Adriana made out at during that party.
The writing on this show never ceases to impress me. Janice becoming Livia...
Tony Too
Acting too. Janice had all of Livia's mannerisms in this scene
yup. she will put Sophia through the same guilt trip bullshit that Livia put her through.
And Harpo ...Hal will be there to pick her bones. Same as Janice did to Livia.
I’d dare say Janice was even MORE like Livia than Tony was by the end of the series.
people hated Janice, and in fact, she was fucking incredible in this show because she played that pig sister that everyone hated, and did it extremely well. I nearly hated Carmella too but holy shit they could act.
Right!
The very fact that you had such visceral reaction to tje character speaks volumes of the caliber of the acting...
True. Brilliant acting.
Robert Iler too. AJ was unbearable. But Robert seems fine lol A lotta actors on the show were half playing themselves like Tony Sirico and Tony Darrow/ Anthony Borgese or channeling people they knew like James Gandolfini, Federico Castelluccio, etc,. But some were reaching well outside their experiences, families, neighborhoods, and who they are and it says a lot about how convincing they were. Amazing cast no doubt.
@@ermannomassarella6528 I agree 💯. It's a huge compliment I think cause they played their role so well.
Such an eerie mood of desolation. An empty house, an empty field, bleak, mid-winter cold, a wind starting to howl, and a woodpecker sound of tap tap tapping like Death knocking on the door. Bobby is dead, Johnny Sack is dead.
Janice's anguish is real. She does not know where to go from here. Bobby was a rock for her, and he's gone. Her kid is gone. And she's turned into the mother she hated.
Tony tries to reach out. They could have connected.... but she cut the last cords. Such a sad, hopeless grey scene.
Your comment sounds like Edgar Allen Poe poetry
Spot on mate I thought the wa at same thing but coudlnt put it like ye self. There was colour there at least when Jonny sac lived there
Wind = death
@@therealjesus1317 yep. The sopranos can freak ye out like nothing else
She even laments the fact that her kid changed his name, reacting similarly to how Livia did when Janice said her name was Parvati.
Such a great thought to the final story line, setting it in the bleak mid-winter. The desolation, the lack of sunlight. The sound of the wind drifting in from the Hudson.
And the line about cornfields too... It gets me since my childhood fields i used to wander around are houses and shit too. Shows you how much views and shit are worth it
Yup. No snow either. Nothing comforting, just wind, ice and cold. Winter came
I live in New England and those are really in a psychological sense "dark" days after Christmas. Theres not much to look forward to and when you're outside its so quiet and eerie no birds or anything. Coronavirus really showed me how much I truly hate the days before Easter.
@@The_yeffy1 Hey hey, stay positive. You're white, healthy(relatively I hope), you live in the greatest country on earth(for short while until liberals totally fuck this up). Pick a constructive hobby, maybe get into boating....you guys have an ocean. Or trucking or computers. Or pyrotechics, guns, whatever. Get yourself a hobby and go with it.
@@andrewbecker9062 I didn't realize it was an old man I was talking to. He's hopeless.
“Sach-a-la-bleu where is mi mama???”
lol..that line was perfect during that episode
Sacré bleue
mon dieu !
@@mrscarface6438 that’s tough talk mon a mi
The cornfield remark is haunting, as we see Tony reflecting on all that has been lost in the past six years. The symbolism of winter is poignant as well, as it signifies that Tony is now entering into the winter phase of his life - The salad days are gone, with nothing left to look forward to but that slow, inexorable fade into the darkness.
Wow. Very well said
Listen to him. He knows everything. 😉
Charles Schwab over here
Tony S never had a salad day in his life
He don’t fade into darkness, it’s quite sudden and finite.
It’s sad really in the end Janice became her mother
Ryan Keefe I doubt so, she took care of the kids and Bobbys other kids. She said she loved his kids like her own.
SoraN K9 that remark about Sofia was Livia talking all the way
Her comments say it all: "I put ma and all her warped shit behind me". Directly followed by: " Not that I get any thanks for it". The second comment is Livia....verbatim.
SoraN K9 Yeah, she would care for Bobby's kids like she does for Harpo. Later in this episode, Uncle Pat informs Tony that Janice went to Junior to see if she could find his money (but to keep it for her). Then when Tony finally visits Junior he tells him that that money should go to Bobby's kids. Tony at least did care about them.
In Sopranos Home Movies they make it clear Janice is repeating Livia's hysterical bully parenting style.
Just realised what may have pissed Tony off at the end, when he cuts the conversation short. The bitter way Janice says, "Harpo changed his name, he's Hal now" and smoulders. She is turning into Livia, with the way Livia griped about Janice becoming Parvati and saying how she threw away the name she had given her. And Janice just wouldn't be capable of seeing the irony of the whole thing.
Who names a kid Harpo?
@@cynthiafritze7418 Mrs. Marx and fans of her son.
Never got it, thanks
@@cynthiafritze7418 Sacre Bleu!!
@@NaptownClassic Harpo Marx's name was Arthur
"Y'know, five or six years ago, when Johnny Sack bought this house, this was all cornfields here."
There is something rather melancholic about that line. Johnny Sack is dead, Bobby Bacala is dead, and the world moved on anyway.
The world stops for no one.
And Phil Leotardo is dead too, but the world did not move on. CZcams commenters can’t get enough of him.
@@jrs89 He's been dead for almost...20 fucking years
@@DucksAndDucks Wow, it’s been that long. It seemed like it was just yesterday he got out of can. He was not around for very long. He had a short run. How long was he in the can for?
@@jrs89 I don't want to misquote him, but I think it was 20 years
This scene honestly caps off one of the most depressing stretch of episodes in a TV show ever. The bleakness, colorless and inevitable end has arrived for the Sopranos family and everyone involved. Nobody had a good ending and all of the misdeeds have caught up with all of these characters. Janice’s end was just as horrifying as Tony’s as she will exist as a miserable shell in the mold of her mother and that generational pain will be passed on to to her child and Bobby’s children as well.
Watching this stretch of episodes during what was already a dark time in my life damn near sent me to the edge lol
Artie had a good ending
The wind plays such a strong part in this episode. Such an eerie, ominous device I think to depict that desolate feeling. You picture a ghost town or something like that, and this episode really hammers in the dwindling ranks and those who have been lost, like in the scene with Paulie at satriales. Such a great job.
The wind was a great character, i wish they did more with them
This is actually kind of a crazy scene considering that, not only is this the last time we see Janice on screen, this is probably the last conversation Janice and Tony have with each other (assuming Tony dies in the last episode). Janice is falling into the same person Livia was and Tony is trying to console her much like how he used to try and console Livia. It all feels like it's coming completely full circle, and Tony doesn't even realize it. At least that's my take from it.
“If you need anything you know im minutes away” as in minutes away from the end
He did die David Chase confirmed it
@@funnygamertwat8879 He literally didn't die. The whole fair to black ending was left up to the interpretation of the viewer.
@@spe-ex7sz no he's dead David Chase confirmed it
@@funnygamertwat8879 Nah, he would of showed us the scene, if it was literal.
"Not that I get any thanks for it" ....exactly like Livia.
Exactly
Immediately after she said she dropped her mom's baggage
that was the point. Tony seen his mother in her right there and then, who he had despised the majority of his life and eventually became. He seen his older sis was the same and his hypocrisy couldn't deal with the fact their mother's disregard for her kids affected someone other than himself. He was done by this point. It was finished.
Parenting is a thankless job. It's supposed to pay off by the happiness of having children itself. If you expect gratitude from your children, you are a narcissistic parent.
@@PlgDctr A lot of parents wont ever get that
"Not that I get any thanks for it." Tell me that isn't a direct hard wire to Livia Soprano.
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Despite Tony using him as a tool to wind Janice up in Season 5, I have always sensed he really did feel bad for Harpo. Perhaps he felt guilty that he had not done his duty as an uncle to help him when his mother and father were both defective and dysfunctional. He is always the one to bring Harpo up, never Janice.
As cruel of a person as Tony was, I think even he knew that Harpo's plight in life was due to Janice, and no fault of Harpo himself. There is a good chance that Tony might have felt bad for his nephew because at the end of the day, that is still his blood. Even if it is only half Italian.
@@rivera229 Yeah, I think the writers deliberately left Harpo as a tragic but unseen character for this very reason. Tony knew he could have been a better uncle to him.
@@joshradcliffe8563 Same thing with Kelly Tony B daughter.
I wonder where Harpo is having his Sunday dinner? I wonder what is French Canadian for I grew up without a mother. Janice named in after Harpos song.
@@rivera229him being half Italian has nothing to do with it. They can't even speak Italian
She really wanted any money that Bobby left his kids. She didn't give two shits about bobbys kids
I really hope Bobby's kids got the hell away from Janice.
Aida Turturro should have won those two Emmy awards for her role in The Sopranos.
This scene was literally a look after the end at what happens to Janice. No tony, no way to really get another husband as she's aging and gaining weight. Bobby's kids want to move away and she's slowly descending into becoming livia.
I know everyone says this usually as a joke, but I actually would've like to have seen Harpo in the show. Could've been interesting
They needed to do more with him
It would’ve been interesting if Tony eventually found him and brought him to visit to let Sophia and Bobby know exactly what kind of mother she is.
You know that shawng Harpo's Shawng by Phoebe Shnow?
i like to think that guy Bobby clipped in Canada was Harpo
It's Hal now!
The evolution of Gandolfini as an actor is so apparent in this scene. The depth of character is incredible. He was on his way to becoming one of the greats. We wuz robbed by the thief in the night.
He already was one of the great actors - well before his passing. Now, his absolute mastery of the craft of acting will forever remain immortalized in (arguably) the greatest TV series ever made. As tragic as James Gandolfini's untimely passing was, I'm nevertheless very grateful that we were all lucky enough to witness his once-in-a-lifetime performance as Tony Soprano.
Lol. Even when Bobby is gone (actually RIP to him, he was the only semi decent guy in the crew), Janice is still trying to control and dictate how everything is going to go TO HER CHOOSING. "Sophia is out of her mind if she thinks she's leaving this house" IMMEDIATELY after Bobby is gone and his children want to leave Janice and Tony is angling behind the scenes trying to at least leave some money behind for the kids knowing damn well Janice would just pocket the money and turn everything into a shitshow as she always does.
really ended sadly for everyone on the show
@@getmoneybpt the reality of the mob life
Just think Bobby had the chance to date and marry Jojo until Janice weaseled her way in and ruined it for him.
People deal with death in a fucked up way. My mother's brother commited suicide and now she thinks everyone commits suicide. Very fucked up.
@@spanishflyevh9606 death is a comma (,).....not a period(.)......what ur mom went thru is tuff and dramatic.....be there for her...let her know ppl can b in a hopeless place in thete head..and sometimes loved ones miss it..and the person harms themselves....but the otherside of the coin is alot of ppl do feel hope or happiness..and she should enjoy life check on the ppl she loves...but have oeace in the fact they might really be in a happy vibe in life...which can change day to day moment to moment...but ppl can b strong and pull through
Godamn it took about 3 years for all of the glory of the family(both personal and business one) to go totally to 0. Major capos dead, consiglieri in the hospital, underboss dead, Chris as a protege of Tony suffocated. In the other family AJ being unstable, Meadown grown up and brainwashed into the "normality" of that life, Carmela turning the marriage into business.....THE LAST SEASON SURE WAS DEPRESSING AND JUST SHOES THE HARSH REALITY AND INEVITABLE END OF THAT LIFE.
Just like the real mafia... In the end, the grave and the can take everything away.
If you’re going to spell ‘show’ as ‘shoe’ - maybe don’t capitalise.
@@TheDaverobinson it was supposed to be a W. Use your brain a little if you have it you stupid mamaluke
Gjorgji .50 wasn’t though was it. So maybe you should use yours.
@@TheDaverobinson if spell checking is all you took out of that whole essay of mine, you are either a child or a very very stupid dumbfuck
Janice’s best scene in the whole series . Completely genuine , grief, and anguish .
...and still the same denial about being a good mother and that Sophia wants to do ANYTHING with her.
"Nica adores her older sister. Sophia is out of her mind if she thinks she's getting out of this house." And then also, "I think Sophia and I have a bond."
Wow... Wow. Poor Sophia.
It's insane how realistic some of the relationship dynamics in this show are.
What janice said didn't really sound that bad. Sounds like she's just saying all of that because she doesn't want to let go of Sophia as she feels like she's been a mother to her as she said she feels like they have a bond.
That line scares me, and based on his reaction it kind of freaked Tony out too
This was one of many sad and emotional scenes of the series finale. Even the way he says this area was all cornfields when Johnny first moved in.
This scene destroyed me as a human being, Janice didn’t deserve someone like Bobby, and also he didn’t deserve to die the way he did
Love how Janice is a bit pissy when she says that Harpo changed his name...Just like Janice/Parvati.
as someone who also had a terrible mother, I feel for Janice, I really do. But still we always have a choice, even if we are hurt and damaged beyond repair, we always have a choice.
Janice was awful from the very start of her life. Not a coincidence that the only thing senile Junior remembers from her is how she attempted to burn his house as a girl.
Johnny Boy and Livia were monsters and monstrous parents.
This show was great! towards the end you could see tony geting ready for the bed he had made over the seasons on a collision course with only one ending! like so many mobsters before him great writing.
The European Union is a failing project. What was initially designed to be a trading bloc has slowly mutated into a political union. Very shady stuff among the globalists
Man.. Just reading the comments on this clip shows how much this show had people really feeling the pain of the sopranos. What a masterpiece. And the insight of these comments is just as interesting in its own right. Much love. R.I.P. Tony Soprano. Bobby as well of course.
the nerve on Janice being mad at the kid for changing his name
when she dumped him and pretended he doesn't exist.
so completely self-centered.
2:24. the way he says Janice. A lot there. What an actor James was.
5, 6 years ago when johnny sac bought this house, this was all shine boxes here.
Best one I've read yet.
youngbuck0911 Make 'em look like fucking mirrors
Every once in a while a funny one gets through 😂
Enough of the shine box !!
Funny As Fuk 🤣
I love how Tony pronounced Janice.
“Joh-nis”
" I had therapy, I'm a good mother I put Ma and all her wrapped shit behind me...."
Channels Livia: "And do I get any thanks for it?"
Such great writing, was expecting her to tell Tony how Bobby was a saint.
Two bad people letting their guard down and just being people. Sad
they are two sad human beings
Neither of them is bad. Sure they got their faults, but then no one's perfect.
@Hassan Raza Tarar Clearly somebody didn't get this show.
@@ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available Remember when is still a low form of conversation, but... remember when Janice shot Richie Aprille and Tony made him into a Satriale’s special???
@@ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available no they are really pathetic human beings. Janice attempted to flee from the world and enter into the more Liberal cosmopolitan outside only to by her upbringing and own personality fail time and again until she's forced to return and fall into the mob wife position which leaves her a broken widow by age 50. Tony on the other hand through his own self destructive personality has failed in varying degrees asa father and a boss to the point where he's now king of a crumbling empire that he despises. They're both broken messes doomed to get worse with each passing year until they just become their mother.
I can't believe this show. janice is a character who can be so easily hated, but this scene is still so emotional. you can feel how terrible she feels in this scene. Bobby's love for his wife and kids is what janice wish she could be. And she still jokes about needing another husband... this scene is so tragic, especially considering the kids
Honestly this is the saddest scene in the Sopranos for me. (Tracy‘s death is also on par.) But this scene just illustrates how everyone in that life ends up dead. It’s empty. And ultimately a sad existence.
Great actress as janice...always scheming her way through life.
Shooting richie...bravo
the 2001: A Space Odyssey parallels here in this scene and throughout the whole episode are so chilling--dude is just cruising towards the end without even realizing, moments becoming jumps in time
Tony wasn't faithful but he was instinctually loyal
To who? Christopher? His cousin? Ralphie? Paulie? Jackie? Carmine?
@@michaelmcgee2026 to his blood relatives. He forgave Junior, and provided for janice and livia even though all three of them tried to have him killed. I never understood how someone that ruthless and selfish can be so loyal to his blood family, even under the craziest circumstances. He should have cut out Livia and Janice out of his life years before the show started and stopped craving for his uncle's love and approval way before as well
@@michaelmcgee2026 how was he unfaithful to Jackie and Paulie?
@@marykay7878 Tony is still a human being and wants the unconditional love that only blood relatives can provide. He knows Carmella never really loved him. Junior attempting to kill him is water under the bridge for him at that point. Considering they're in the mafia life, plotting murder is every other Sunday. He has fond memories with Junior and he's his surrogate father in a way.
He literaly killed jackie by manipulating ralph, and almost killed paulie
Totally agree with the comments about Janice becoming Livia right before our eyes (more brilliant writing!!!)
“He took it so seriously, Bobby ..” 😢
Under the boardwalk... Harpo.. Tony was still bringing up lots of memories!
The only silver lining from Bobby’s death is that he’s finally away from Janice lol
Don’t know if his kids think that’s a silver lining…
Tbf Bobby's first wofe was actually good looking, Bobby made a wise choice going for Janice as it took him closer to Tony and helped with his rise in the family
It’s sad when they go young like that.
WHEN THEY GO?!
You know who loved golf...it was Joey Peeps.
@@batdude122 oh ya didn't hear him? MAYBE IF HE SAID IT IN SWAHILI!!
Echoed here is the old image of a psychiatrist and client, with Tony sitting and offering up potentially positive alternatives and Janice staying stuck (physically and metaphorically) in her rationalizations. Briefly acknowledging the painful truth of what that means but refusing to move or change in any way. Just turn away and go back to pretending it doesn't exist.
I love the final image of her turning away after Tony mentions Harpo and she reveals Harpo changed his name. Which is immediately after she just gave a rationalizing and delusional little speech about being a good mom. She obliquely reveals the truth about herself through Harpo's final severing of any remaining connection and then turns away, her hair kind of drawing across her face like a final curtain. Brilliant acting and direction/blocking. She never even gets up out her position of laying in a deck chair for the entire scene but still manages to pull off one hell of a final exit from the show.
Such a great scene. The series did right by the aggravating, obnoxious, sometimes charming and always entertaining Janice, and the always excellent Aida Turturro, in having this be her last.
This scene shows Janice becoming Livia but people miss the part about Sofia. That's the slight difference.
At the end “Janice….” He knew right there that she’s completely gone…Just like his mom.
"Sophia is out of her mind if she thinks shes leaving this Shinebox"
Janice was my favourite character and played so magnificently by Aida🌹🌷🌹🌷🌹🌷🌹
One of the funniest and at the same time disturbing things on the show was Janice and Bobby Jrs relationship. Always hated each other in every scene. Even here she doesn’t even protest him living with the aunt
Under the boardwalk, Jan blowin roadies😆
Roadies?! ..
Pat Gogan you don’t want to know
@@TheMan750 lol
ROADIES?!
that....that is not true, tell 'em that isn't true!
Janice was a black widow indeed, Richie, Ralph, Bobby, she was bad luck
Maybe janice could whip up another pasta medley ehh ????
Don't forget the clam chowder. It goes great with a medley of pastas, Janice's style of course.
We never saw Harpo lol
Joe Cool Where is mi mama?!
wasnt that her boy lover
Harpo changed his name, hes Hal now
Son Goku rewatch it.
That's okay, neither did Janice. I do wonder where he's eating his Sunday dinner though.
I actually felt bad for Janice. But tony loved his sister.he really did, more than he'd say
Cali_nayxoxo U got a smile sweet like cheerios in almond milk 😄 do u have Instagram loool
Charmingly Cynical yupp lol
What's yo insta shawty
Indeed, they're like comrades of war, who survived the same upbringing.
AQUAPHREESH193 She’s not even smiling dude.
Full circle. Janice becomes Livia, and her son changes his name just like his mother did when she left home.
Janice blew guys under that patio.
OMG she wanted to keep Sofia hostage. Even Tony knew that was messed up
Janice should've just stayed her ass in Seattle 😂
"I put Ma and all her warped shit behind me.....
"Good"
"AND DID I GET ANY THANKS FOR IT?"
"Shit"
Janice turned into her mother. The cycle continues.
"it goes on and on and on...and on..."
It’s all a big nuthin
At least when Janice says "he was a saint..." there would be some truth to it
Left unanswered was whether Bobby was buried on a hill, overlooking a river, with pine cones all around.
That fucking moment where Tony mentions Harpo for no real reason other than to bring her down to his level, the moment she even indicates a bit of happiness lol. Twisted as fuck
I like the sound of the woodpeckers pecking in the distance.
If Tony decides to bring back trouble, Woody would make him think twice or too after he's done with him.
The Cold environment represents what she really came out to be just a cold numbness person.
It was as if the winter solstice suppresses an evil omen for Janice, judging from all her conniving and conspicuous transgressions she places herself. It's a fulfilling feeling finding her desolate and emotionally quenched with no future to call her own now that Bobby's gone.
She is easy to dislike, however, without her Furio would not have existed like we know. She was friends with the actor...fredrico i think and he was not interested and she pestered him until he gave in. He tried out. He got the gig. And we got Furio.
Tyou know an actress is good if she can make you despise her for most of the series then totally redeems herself.
Aida isn't anything like Janice. You can see through the character sometimes.
Felt sorry her husband got popped, but “redeemed”? Not a chance.
Redeemed? How?
Jay Caldwell calm down before you get a heart attack because of a youtube comment
Maybe I missed it, but how did Janice redeem herself by the end of the show?
Correcting Tony on Harpo's name is always so cold too. Im pretty sure Harpo is still homeless in Canada(?) at this point, the fact that she knows *enough about him* to act like that and correct Tony...but still won't try to save them in her massive mansion? fucking-a
I really miss this show.
I bought the entire series on DVD when it came out years ago. Anytime Janice is on the screen I immediately fast-forwarded through it.
She is a drag and emotional draining hahah
Even when the Russian guy socked her? Never liked Russians but that guy was alright.
I often wondered if Harpo/Hal was real. This scene always made me wonder. Tony's reaction to Janice telling him for the 50th time that Harpo changed his name to Hal tells me he knows more about it too.
I always thought it was kind of hinted that Janice never really knew what happened to Harpo. That their communication was cut years ago and whenever Tony brings him up, Janice throws out any excuse she can think of. I wouldn't be surprised if even Janice doesn't know what Harpo is doing, but is just too stubborn and insecure to tell the truth to Tony. It would have been enough fuel for Tony for centuries of ridicule.
Someone saw a reflection here between Janice changing her name to Parvatti and Livia mentioning it in the same way in earlier seasons
Possible. But look at how she reacted when Tony did the “French-Canadian for I grew up without a mother” thing.
"Hey, Jan... he even exist?"
If my name was Harpo. I’d change it too.
Janice was the most unsettling character in the show.
Tony tells Butch,Janice has to see something outta this,for hitting Bobby! And Butch actually agrees! Yet when Tony visits Janice,that money is never mentioned! Am I the only one who thinks,Tony kept every penny?! Lol
Tic Tack Nop, the money probably went directly to Bobby’s kids. When Tony visited junior in their last scene, Tony told junior that any money he has should go to Bobby’s kids and that Janice might not do that!
Ah! So your theory is,he gave the money to Bobby's kids and Janice never even knew ws, about the butch settlement?!
Tic Tack lmao how the hell would Janice know? She isn’t a made guy nor married to one
@Chinmay C. Yeah but Janice liked Sophia, she was attached to her to that's why she didn't want to give her so easily as she did with Bobby jr. She said that she put a lot of effort with Sophia
@@brianzar1943 daughters take better care of their mothers
She was so mean to Bobby jr.
Janice did a whole bunch of crying in this show but she always cried for herself. Even when Tony and Carmela goes to check up on her after Bobby’s killed. She should be strong for the children but she’s crying alone. I bet you she was more scared than the baby on that Park Ride… Great acting!
"Sophie's mine. I'm a good mother. I put all Mom's warped shit behind me! Not that I get any thanks for it."
There are no words
The echoes of woodpeckers in the background sound like gun fire
Janice is Livia 2.0 in the making.
Her acting and his acting are out of the fucking league here. The moment when she says she needs to grab another husband and her look right after Tony realizes it’s a joke it’s seriously real.
0:47 to 0:50. Powerful moment. Janice realized that no man ever stood up for her the way Bobby did (and he literally risked his life doing it).
And Tony realized that Bobby had that strong devotion to family that he foolishly saw in Christopher, and by losing Bobby he lost one of his most dependable guys. All of that conveyed in 3 seconds of silence.
In the end.....we all become our parents
Janice all alone in that giant empty house. Depressing AF
Harpo was my favorite character
Ever notice that constant cold, desolate wind that whirrs throughout the last couple of episodes?
2:10 - _"What's this THE FUCKING BRADY BUNCH NOW??!!"_
Tony: You know a few years ago when Johnny Sack owned this place I once ran all the way home from here