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Yamaha FJ-09/MT-09 Tracer Initial Review: UPDATE-Speed Limiter
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2015
- A couple of things I neglected to mention in my previous review video, plus I discuss my opinion as to why this bike has a speed limiter.
Here is the link to my original review: • Yamaha FJ-09/MT-09 Tra...
I had the speed limiter removed from FJ-09 via new ECU flash. The "speed wobble" you are referring too is a combination of the front air flow and soft suspension. To eliminate this for track days, please remove the front hand guards, lower or remove windscreen, and increase the pre-load on the front suspension to increase stiffness. These 3 changes eliminated wobble on my bike in excess of 130 mph.
What's new top speed?
+1compaqedr8
about 220km/h
How to remove or eliminate the speed limiter boss?
A front fork brace (if available for this model) i imagine would also help, you think? I'm about to buy the mt09 tracer. I don't think i will have any trouble with wobble, i doubt i will be taking it into the 200km/hr realm!!
Weird. I'm 5'6" and I have no issues riding this bike. I don't mind "tippie-toes", but perhaps it's each to their own.
Add a small amount of pressure to the shift lever before you pull in the clutch, then pull in the clutch and the transmission ought to shift very smoothly from 1st to 2nd without hitting neutral. Do this for all upshifts and they will become much quicker and smoother.
I agree. Years back when ik had my driving lessons this was tought to me and it sure does make shifting a lot smoother! Im wondering why so few people learned or know this...
Hi Sonic, Paul from England.
Enjoyed you comments on the FJ09 (MT09 Tracer here in England) I was talking to a dealer about the limiter situation and he said that he believes that the limiter was put in place because the Yamaha does not create downforce when traveling fast I.e the beak on the R1200GS and Triumph Explorer, the other bikes like the Kawasaki Versys have vents in the fairing to create downforce. So when at high speed on the Yamaha, you are in a semi wheeley situation. It sounded like it was a very good reason for the speed wobble. The dealer has been in business for 36 years so I guess he could be right.
He didn't know of anything on the market that could help with this problem, but he said a steering damper would help prevent the dreaded tank slapper.
Keep the vlogs coming
+Paul Loughran Thank for your comments, that is an interesting view on this issue, I wonder how Yamaha could have missed that flaw during its R&D phase of developing this bike. Perhaps they knew it would be an issue and just decided to limit the engine in order to save money on design...who knows. So now I'm wondering if I can weight shift over the bars to maybe see if this makes a difference or if the wonderful world of physics will still prevail. This is something I will have to test once winter decides to royally fuck off. :)
thanks for the info.
I picked up my FJ09 a Few months ago. I did realize initially the front end felt really light. After I broke the bike in I did reach top speed on it a few times and notice a very slight wobble but nothing as you described in this video. I notice you have a attachment to your windshield and might be contributing to the wobble. After I notice mine I started to question the aero dynamics in the front of the bike so I order in a smaller windshield and rode with it in the low position to minimize the wind resistance and it seemed to help. My personal opinion is that it also has to do with the way the triple clamps are at the top of the forks and there is not enough weight on the front end of the bike and when the bike is ridden at 125 miles per hour with the wind resistance with the stock windshield and light end it may cause the wobble. Also haven't had any issues with the shifting yet. This is my thought on it . Thanks for the Video update!
Greetings from a fellow Ontario FJ owner! I have much more stable performance at speed now after removing the handguards and shortening the stock windscreen. FWIW the ecu is flashed as well and I experience no wobble all the way past the original speed limiter velocity. I did previously experience it above 160kph especially in "dirty air".
+PapaC2000 Interesting, I was thinking about removing the handguards, perhaps I will give that a try and see what happens, thanks so much for your comment.
I run mine to the limiter often and keep it there. I've never felt a wobble or even the begging of a wobble. Even through big bumpy sweepers we have out here on the limiter and no wobble. With bags, without bags screen or no screen. Mine is rock solid.
Interesting, thanks for the reply.
Very informative video as usual. I've yet to hit 115mph so can't comment on the speed wobble but I agree with the slightly clunky gears and tall seat. I'm about 5 ft 9 and usually tiptoe on even the lower seat setting. Vibrations in the bar is also quite noticeable as I get numb hands. Thanks for sharing and ride safe.
Well really most of us would not be driving this speed on a regular basis but what concerns me about this bike is that it gets up to 115mph very very quickly and you don't even really notice how fast you're going. You can get up to that speed in 3rd gear when you really hammer on it. I'd even say in 2nd too before the rev limiter but I haven't tried that yet.
SonicRising I've just had the bike serviced after 630 miles. I guess now it's time to open it up a bit on the highways. Will keep an eye when I reach 115 :)
Yes please do,and report back your findings. I have been getting comments that some have no issues at all and other do, so it is still an enigma.
SonicRising Hey I've got up to 130mph once and it felt unstable then. However it also wobbled at 105.
I've rode mine consistently at 115mph for miles and I've never had the speed wobble. I can say that at that speed the front end felt lighter than normal but never got anything speed wobble wise. Other than the limiter, very fun bike
Hi sonic, Paul again. Thanks for the reply it's not often I get one lol.
I phoned my mate Peter he was a road racer in the 70s and 80s. He told me that a lot of motorcycles that have been developed from another motorcycle i.e Fj from Fz, all the R n D will have been done on the original bike, (they won't R n D the same ish bike twice,) if a problem does come up when testing or reported by customers they will look for a quick fix.
With regards to what to do about it? It will change the bike from what you have to something you don't want, unless you intend racing.
Raise the forks in the triple tree by about 2cm, stiffen the front suspension (this will need testing to find the best compromise), put lower bars on, remove the hand guards and add a steering damper. All this will put more weight on the front of the bike and change the front profile giving it more downforce. He would recommend that you put a steering damper on anyway (just in case).
Fun eh. Thanks again.
Hi there, can I gave your opinion on the wind deflector, I'm thinking of getting one. How effective is it, Cheers Mark
+Mark Keenan It's pretty decent, and adjustable, certainly better than not having one at all but it doesn't block all the wind, just helps tone it down some.
Agree with the shifting I often hit neutral between first and second if not super carefull. coming from GSX-R 1000 its very different
thanks for the quick reply.so 500ml a day trips wouldn't be to easy for someone mid 40s and not too fit?v storm 1000,tenere 1200 or triumph tiger explorer would be a better choice? ??
Not sure if the tiger would be better, but the other 2 would be better choices for sure if you're just talking comfort.
Anyone tried raising the forks a few mm through top yoke?
i have a uk tracer and experienced a mild wobble at around 115 when riding in open areas with a cross wind but have also done 125 and been completey stable, i think it is probably down to poor aerodynamics but at no point felt dangerous i am wondering if perhaps the hand guards catch to much air being handlebar mounted would exagerate the problem causing the problem?
+carlosvalentino46 It could be the hand guards, it's very hard to narrow this one down without ripping parts off the bike, which I'm not about to do.
Thanks for sharing your experience with this. Considering buying this bike. Have you experienced any wobble below 115 mph and, if so, at what speed(s) and in what conditions?
No, bike is solid under 115mph, and when I experienced it for the first time it was in perfect weather and road conditions.
Okay, thanks.
Mike S I have an fj09 and have experience speed wobbles in fast acceleration an about 89 MPH
Daniel T, thanks. I'm no longer considering the FJ09. Yamaha needs to properly diagnose and fix this issue.
My front fork preload in max hard (all screwed in) to achieve 30% of total travel with me in bike (80kg) and I don't have wobble upto 200km/h. Rear suspension is opposite, max soft for the same reason.
how does it rate on the comfy side for big miles in the saddle?numb bum?busted tail bone?stiff knees.ect..?nice looking bike.enjoyed your reviews.
Well all those things depend on how old you are as well as how fit you are of course, from a middle aged mans point of view, I would say you're not gonna want to pull full days on this bike. 200kms and you're probably gonna want a break.
What does the speed-wobble feel like? I had an Aprilia Tuono which almost made me loose my steering at about 180 km/h. It turned out that the jerk that balanced my new front-tire had put the weight on the opposite side of the rim and doubled the inbalance to about 40 grams instead of neutralising it ! Could that be an answer to the wobble you're mentioning ? Nice videos, as I'm thinking of the MT09 as my new bike ;-)
+boa1626 I had the wheel balancing redone, still had the wobble. Kinda hard to describe it other than it was a wobble that got worse the faster I went. :(
they've (Yamaha Portugal) been recommending to drop the front fork by at least 1cm, without messing with the back suspension. it alters the geometry enough to diminish the problem. I haven't tried it, but when I did my test drive and complain about the speed wobble that what they said was a proven solution. I ended up buying a s10. hope it helps.
Hi i'm Mike from England as regards the speed wobble i've tried various suspension changes as other people have suggested to no avail, adjusted hand guards, changed the screen etc but no change in the wobble until i removed the hand guards wobble gone. 135 mph perfect.
+Michael lauwers Hmmm, that would be disappointing if that was the issue. They are such an integral part of the aesthetics of that bike. I'll just take your word for it as I'm not going to be riding around at those speeds anyway, I'll leave the hand guards on. Thanks for your reply, I'll look into that some more.
i had MY16 FJ 09 bast week, and yes its wobble and have speed limiter at 182km
and i felt low, but its a amazing bike and like it, it so sold from 0 to 182km
all work to solve it and in the next week all receive the termignoni black
Sabes si le podre quitar o remover el limitador no lo podia creer cuando limite
What about the FJ09 tracer videos of people going 220+ km/h with no woble ? Latest ECU update changed top speed maybe? Dont see how stearing dampers would do anything to the woble at all, maybe tighten up the suspension notch will ?
+MissMan666 I would assume that an ECU flash would fix the limiter issue but I can't say for sure that is the reason we are seeing much higher speeds. I have noticed a difference in speeds depending on country so perhaps it has something to do with specific regulations placed on the motorcycle for different countries, much like emissions, I know here in Canada any motorcycle shipped here is intentionally set up to run lean in order to adhere to our emission guidelines, so perhaps it is something alone those lines as well. Honestly though I really have no clue.
Mine has only wobbled with big FJR bags on it, naked the bike is rock stable. The bars kinda just move back and for a little bit but the bike doesn't change trajectory. IMO, the rear shock is too soft and makes the front end light.
Thinking about getting this, have only hit those speeds a few times on my street triple so wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Thanks for the heads up though, have never experienced a wobble and don't want to if I can help it. Shame on Yamaha if its a known issue.
How much do you weigh? Have you tried adjusting the rear suspension? I've heard that corrects the issue.
I'm 210lbs at 6'2". Suspension set up out of the factory should not cause such a violent speed wobble. I would understand a mild one but not like the ones I have experienced. Not that I discount adjusting the settings at all. But really the video was more for people to consider why Yamaha has set a speed limiter on a motorcycle that coincidentally happens to be the same speed that myself and others are experiencing the speed wobble. If it was suspension vs weight then it would be felt at different speeds depending on the rider and suspension settings but its always the same speed.
+SonicRising Agreed. What I don't understand is that I took one out last week and hit 187km/h with no wobble at all. I'm 6'2" 220lbs. I've seen the video of the guy doing 220+, I'm trying to wrap my head around why is this only happening to some? The only thing I could find was quite a few posts suggesting that tightening down the rear suspension did work....but I don't own it yet so no idea.
+Mike Elderkin I too am a little confused by it. You would think that every bike would have this problem and not just some. Honestly though it's something that should be looked at by more professional people than myself because messing around with it could make it even worse and inevitably cause a crash, and at that speed I think I would be having a really bad day. I'm still looking into it because I'm convinced that Yamaha knows that it's an issue, that is the only logical reason that I can think for them putting a speed limiter on a bike that can clearly go much faster.
I think part of your problem is your extra little windshield. I read that the factory windscreen creates a low pressure zone that allows the front end to go light enough to wobble. Your additional screen in theory would just make it worse, maybe you could try without it, and with the windshield in the lowest position?
Try to remove the extra wind deflector for speed wobble.
I agree with you Sonic, I think Yamaha knows why they installed the limiter but they don't want to say. Probably because of the fact that it's not always detectable with every bike...which means there's a design fault that is causing the problem depending on other factors involved; whether it be suspension setting, handguards, rider weight and size, windscreen position, etc. Probably too many factors to account for, so they just limited all of them from factory. Strange indeed.
+PintoBlades Indeed it is a mystery, I have had people say that removing the hand guards fixed it, or stiffening the suspension is the issue, or the windscreen is the problem. I'm sure Yamaha is aware if it and hopefully their R&D department will resolve the issue for future models.
New Tire (Rear) Pilot Road 3, no more wobble
I have done over 6000 miles on my Tracer. We do not have a speed limiter on UK spec. bikes. I have ridden at speeds, quite legally, well over the 115mph threshold and not experienced the wobble, even with two Kappa K40 panniers on holiday in Europe (where some roads do not have speed limits). The only time the bike has done anything unexpected was hitting the rev limiter in 4th gear at around 138mph. That was more to do with the cut in power and reapplication making the back step out a bit. I find when cornering you need to apply quite a bit of countersteer especially if bumpy but no worse than some other bikes. Overall, I find the handling quite benign. In recent years I have been riding a BMW R1150GS and Super Tenere, so perhaps more used to countersteering loads in corners when bikes pitch and wallow at speed on bouncy suspension.
+Dave Wesson Yes it is quite odd that some people are having this speed wobble issue and some are not. I'm still in search of the answer. Still begs the question as to why the speed limiter. Oh, and I would love to have a GS but it's not in the cards for me right now :(
I Have a MT-09 Tracer since July 2015 and dont have any problems with wobble. My Weight is 80Kg
Great videos and you have balls to keep going into a speed wobble 😂. Small fact,
With a ecu flash this bike has one of the largest top speed gains but will never getbto see them because of the S.Woddle. you still running this bike?
Speed problems = front suspension too soft (soft rebound in this case)
Try the hard position possible in the front axle, 5 clicks i guess.
hand guards perhaps in conjunction with speed limiter. but limiting the speed to avoid the wobble is a real waste of modern technology. Appreciate your concern for general safety. A 850cc triple being limited on speed is just unreal. I would buy one in an instant. The speed limiter and wobble issue is deterring me from putting my money down. Am looking at the Kawa versys 1000lt instead but I really like the look of the Yamaha, ho hum, that's what keeps bike sales moving I guess.
which is better fj-09 fot $10000 or versys 650 for $8000???
+jap338kx Really depends on what you are looking for in a bike. If you are new to riding, then go for the Versys, it's an inline twin rather than a triple so it will be a little more tame on the output. If you've been riding a while and like a little more pep then the FJ-09 for sure. Other than engine choice, you really have to test drive both and see which one fits your riding style and preference, they are both great bikes IMO. You do get a lot of bike for the price in the FJ-09 though, more than I've seen in other bikes priced the same.
+SonicRising Try the Suzuki v-strom dl650a with ABS. It's all the bike you need and it's reliable/versatile/comfortable/sporty/economical and a great value.
+jap338kx I had a versys 2009 for 5 years, it´s a great bike, really a great bike, you won´t regreat it, it´s fun, thats the word that best describes it, the torque an speed it´s great at the begining, where you need it in curves, you´ll beat several sport bikes in these roads.... I changed this bike for a Nuda 900, and it´s a good bike, but it lacked that fun part at the begining, the accelerarion is more progressive and for me fun, but not as fun at the beginig as the versys, and now I have an Fj-09,.... It´s back ... That fun feeling at the beginig it´s back, I have to said it I laugh inside my helmet when I Firts accelarate, it´s fun fun fun, Not just that, you have Traction controll in case you don´t want weelies or in case you accelerate a lot in curve (for me this means more fun on curves), you have A, B and stardard mode, and you have ABS, yes I prefear FJ-09, I think that if you should compare a versys with the Fj-09 it should be vs versys 1000. In conclusion go for the FJ-09 it´s worth the money difference. Best Regards: José
I love you😝😝😝
my fj09 does the same thing, also super squishy suspension.
There's a real easy fix for the speed wobble. Just keep it under 185kph.
I agree. However it's good to know it's an issue in an effort to help keep people safe.
Anything over 100 mph on any bike, you might have deal with the end over end dog wobble.
It's an odd thing, this speed wobble... I've seen blame pointed at susension, windscreen, tires, and handguards, all of which seem to make some sense. I've seen people do back to back tests with different windscreens and those made things better or worse, and others do it and nothing. Suspension seems to be the one thing most people blame, and in some ways it makes sense... if you're suspension is way off for your weight, it can seriously screw up your handling. I've read that these things are set up for people in the 160 lb range from the factory. I'm 5'11", 175 no gear. I've also read that the speed limiter is only in North America? Either way, I've been lucky enough to not have the wobble, all the way to the limiter, full tuck, weight over the front. At some point I will set my suspension for my weight, get a different screen, handguards and the steering stabilizer just to make sure. The stabilizer absolutely should work, that is the whole reason they are used, to stop wobbles and slappers. Good vid!
Thanks, and I agree it is a bit of a mystery, maybe it's something in the engineering that's causing the wobble but only under certain circumstances. I don't know, but it's odd for sure. Thanks for the comment.
Riding my Yamaha tracer in France on a fast road, as soon as the bike got to108 mph it went into a bad wobble (tank slapper)my friend riding behind backed off as he thought l would end up through the trees.used to own a suzuki tls , known for its high speed wobble, but it's no where near as bad as the Yamaha. Dealer can't find anything wrong with it.wrote to Yamaha as yet no reply.lost any confidence in this bike,Yamaha need to address this problem fast before anyone is injured or killed.
I saw 2 videos from this guy. He had a larger wind screen than stock. He changed to the stock original, and there was less wobble, now at around 200 kmh (his initial tests, it started at 170/180). The second test he does, now is with no screen at all. Wobble almost disappear. So... Maybe wind screens are not aerodynamically appropriate at very high speeds for this bike? Well, at least as per this person's bike and tests.
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Thanks man for your honesty. Was thinking of trading my CBR500R for this one. I can tell you that 180km/h is rock solid on my Honda.
"Give it the beans" nice :)
+Sudeep Chatterjee Don't let the speed wobble deter you, it is still a great bike and maybe you won't experience it since some people do and others don't, which is really the mystery behind this bike and why the hell it has a speed limiter to begin with. It's still a ton of fun to ride and it wheelies like nobody's business if you like that sort of thing. As for being honest, well I feel I should be, there are so many biased reviews out there from either paid reviewers or people that are "brand boys" and wouldn't dare say something bad about their bike because they own it and deem it superior. I know when I look at a review video, I want..no...demand and honest opinion. Tell it like it is if you're gonna review something. Otherwise there is no point in even doing it. Thanks for the comment.
+Sudeep Chatterjee cbr500 here too and yes I was realising exacly the same.. 6th gear full reving 188km/h and it wont woble at all.. hell it takes corners like a champ at 188 for a budget bike! love my baby vfr =)
It's the length of the bike and the rake as well with jerky throttle. As you accelerate keep throttle hand stead fast no on and off the throttle at the upper speeds. Keep a steady pull as your pushing your bike when you want to slow down ease off the throttle. As you come on and off the throttle it upsets he suspension the faster you go the more wiggly the suspension gets. So learn not to be on and off the throttle so much in the upper speeds. Nice and steady as your accelerating stay into the throttle and you will see your wobble disappear. But why push a bike that was not design for high speed running. Sorry boss wrong tool for that job. Keep it under 100 mph and you will be fine. Stay safe......
Why are you going that fast on public roads anyways? I own the same bike and I've had no issues with this "speed wobble" to which you are referring. Before purchasing this bike, I watched countless video reviews about it and not one of them mentioned a "speed wobble". Check out Revzilla's video review for instance. If you want your viewers to "be safe out there", I suggest riding in safer manner. Also, if you want to go fast, I suggest going to the track and riding in a controlled environment where you aren't putting the lives of others in danger. I'm no expert on the situation but, might this "speed wobble" have anything to do with your wind screen?
+Chad Owen I too have watched countless videos of this bike before I bought it and the reason you don't see or hear about the speed wobble is because most reviewers never get up to that speed. There are also video's of people going faster than the speed at which I experienced the wobble and they did not experience it, so it is still something that I and many others are trying to figure out. Now to address your comment about if I want my viewers to be safe I should ride in a safe manner, I only have this to say. I have been riding motorcycles of all types for over 20 years, I also have extensive training in fast riding both on track and off road, so the reason I would do such speeds is so that I can experience what the bike can do and report it back to viewers who are much less experienced so that they are fair warned about the possible complications of the bike at higher speeds. Regardless of how I ride, people, especially young people, are going to ride extremely fast. I would prefer to use my knowledge and experience to test a bike and report possible danger scenarios, then to ignore it and have a young and inexperienced rider kill himself because he doesn't know how to handle and control a speed wobble. When I decide to ride fast and test the limits of any bike, I always do it early morning on open highway when the roads are clear and nobody is around so that I ensure I am not posing any risk to anyone around me. I am assuming because of your concern of riding fast and the dangers of doing so that you have not taken this bike past normal road speeds, so if that is the case then no you would not have issues with a speed wobble since it only occurs around 170kph.
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im 5'6" and i own a fj09 for a while now. had no problems so far. i guess you friend is just a wuss.
Maybe the wobble IS the limiter :-)
lol.. that's too creative. and dangerous