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CHAPTERS:
0:00 Intro
0:12 Who is the actual fastest engine?
2:56 Did Henry die in the tunnel?
4:48 The engines' smokebox doors
6:06 How old is Thomas?
7:24 The truth about Gordon's Hill
8:54 How evil is Sir Topham Hatt?
11:36 Did Scruffey die?
13:30 Thomas the push-pull
15:29 The truth about Knapford Station
16:50 How far did Thomas go in Thomas' Train?
18:38 The actual pronounciation of Rheneas' name
20:26 Donald and Douglas's actual basis
22:23 How old is Percy?
23:51 The baffling history of Henry's Tunnel
25:21 Who was the first engine on Sodor?
27:33 What do the engines' numbers mean?
29:52 What is Oliver's true number?
32:12 The real engines in Thomas
34:37 How long is Sodor's main line?
37:09 The Skarloey Funicular Railway
38:35 Are Wilbert and Sixteen the same engine?
41:22 What was Thomas' original livery?
43:18 Are Skarloey and Rheneas actually Welsh?
44:41 Is Emily actually Scottish?
46:58 Why is Thomas' front running board sloped?
49:15 All of Rheneas' liveries
51:21 More real engines in Thomas
53:52 Were there 2 Henry's?
56:51 How many episodes was Thomas not in?
58:19 Boco's evil twin
1:00:30 Why is James red?
1:02:35 The Hatt family tree
1:04:23 How many stories did Henry appear in?
1:05:49 What engine is the original Thomas?
1:08:07 Who is the Austerity engine?
1:10:14 Who are the background engines?
Time stamps (side note: the video doesn’t show them besides in the description so I hope this helps):
0:00 intro
0:12 Who is the fastest engine?
2:56 Did Henry Die in the Tunnel?
4:48 The engines’ smokebox doors
6:06 How Old Is Thomas?
7:24 The Truth about Gordon’s Hill
8:54 How evil is Sir Topham Hatt?
11:36 Did Scruffy Die?
13:30 Thomas the push-pull
15:29 The truth about Knapford Station
16:50 How far did Thomas go in Thomas’ Train?
18:38 The actual pronunciation of Rheneas’ name
20:26 Donald and Douglas’ actual basis
22:23 How old is Percy?
23:51 The baffling history of Henry’s Tunnel
25:21 Who was the first engine on sodor?
27:33 What do the engines’ numbers mean?
29:52 What is Oliver’s true number?
32:12 The real engines in Thomas
34:37 How long is Sodor’s main line?
37:09 The Skarloey Funicular Railway
38:35 Are Wilburt and Sixteen the same engine?
41:22 What was Thomas’ original livery?
43:18 Are Skarloey and Rheneas actually Welsh?
44:41 Is Emily actually Scottish?
46:58 Why is Thomas’s front running board sloped?
49:15 All of Rheneas’ liveries
51:21 More real engines in Thomas
53:52 Were there 2 Henry’s?
56:51 How many episodes was Thomas not in?
58:19 Boco’s evil twin
1:00:30 Why is James red?
1:02:35 The Hatt family tree
1:04:23 How many stories did Henry appear in?
1:05:49 What engine is the original Thomas?
1:08:07 Who is the Austerity engine?
1:10:14 Who are the background engines?
AND THAT IS ALL OF SEASON 1 of the “Thomas Debunked” I hope this helped you :)
Someone pin this guy really helped
*Rheneas
@@fanofeverything30465 fixed it! 😂
@@horridJ Glad I could help
Horrid J, you are a *REALLY USEFUL* commenter.
If only Thomas opened his smokebox door to check if his train was coupled to him
Someone made a video about that
Tell me who so I can immediately subscribe
Facts
@@Purpletisc can't find the original creator, but the vid is called "Thomas Looked Back"
That sounds like something out of AEG, yes I know they can bend their faces around so that’s essentially the same
Came for creepy image of Gordon turning his face around, left with Gordon roasting Percy with Scottish accent.
Ah yes, Gordon Ramsay.
Such clickbait! I unsubbed
@@Thingtreemabob it’s not Gordon Ramsay it’s Gordon the big blue engine
Yup
@@StephentrainboyRailfanbronyr/wooosh
4:30 “if you ever saw him get bricked up, you very likely saw him get let out”. Truly inspiring words
If only they said that to S.C.Ruffy
Yep that's going into my out of context collection
if only they said that to Smudger
Insert: 1000_yard_stare.webp
The smokebox door visual is actually hilarious and I would love to see them pull that once and never explain it
Go watch Victor Tanzig, he is a big fan of The Unlucky Tug and has made many references to him on the way his Sudrian mythos works. Edward actually had to be told they can open their faces. Not telling you who told him it would ruin the fun.
There's the video called "Thomas looked back" which shows an edit of the scene from the show where Thomas opened his face to look behind him.
I still think it's hilarious that the Engine's faces are the smoke box doors, because the image of Gordon just opening his face to scowl at another engine like "YOU WANT TO SAY THAT DISGRACEFUL NONSENSE AGAIN?!" is just... objectively hilarious even if it is cursed.
God that is funny yet cursed
I hate it I hate it I hate it I hate it I hate it
James then reverses super fast out of the yard and back to his shed in total shock & horror
How do they open them though? Am I supposed to reach into his nostrils? His mouth?
@@BlooMonkiMan reaching into their mouthes is a good way to loose your hands
45:57 on the original video someone said that, in their own headcanon, Gordon is, indeed, Scottish, but learned to use an English accent because it was seen as more classy and proper around the time he was built. I like that idea :D
46:45
@@lucasm22 I wonder where the original audio came from?
I thought the A1 class engines were built in Doncaster?
So… Gordon could sound like Jeremy Clarkson?
@@Shakes-Off-Fearboth jermery and gordan do value speed and power, so it does make sense.
@@Shakes-Off-Fear Clarkson as Gordon would be AMAZING.
if gordon opened his smokebox while arguing with james I'd be laughing my head off 🤣🤣🤣
I can't unsee this 😅
@@NathanielPiscian Can't be any worse than what All Engines Go is doing.
Having the faces open is both absolutely hilarious and horrifying, seeing that edit of Gordon's face just sent me but imagining that happing in person would cause me to scream.
I like how steam clouds transition from short to short.
A true classic series Easter egg.
Your explanation of why Henry is still the same Henry after his crash is of course rational, though I prefer a more flippant explanation, like a train's consciousness being entirely within its smokebox door, meaning Henry's face was just put on a green Black 5 in Crewe (I hate it, I hate it, I hate it).
I *love* it >:)
Also your explanation kinda works. I recall there being this big story of a groundbreaking surgery to put someone's head on a new body, so...maybe that can work similarly in the world of Thomas?
I always made the assumption that the character of each engine was a composite/amalgam of its crew and those unique 'personality' traits that all machines seem to pick up over time: the 'real' engine is just a steam train, it's just much easier to tell stories to children about the engine itself and not having to memorize the crew members, who often change over time.
So Henry can totally be two different engines and still be the same character if there's continuity in crew. Why not have Henry's old crew operate the 'new' Henry, after all?
4:40 honestly even if you didn’t see the episode where Henry is freed, you definitely saw him in other episodes. its not like he doesn’t show up often.
Is the uttp gonna attack the unlucky tug?
I know my comment is unrelated
oh no...
I like how this video is structured so every debunked video is like the learning segments from the HIT model seasons.
I do think that you should delete scene where saying, we’re golden open, he Smokebox door and directly look at James, delete that right away. I am scared now.
@@BrandonRogerRoger-kq4rm ?
@@BrandonRogerRoger-kq4rm the fuck is this word salad?
A nice little tribute to the worst era of the franchise.
@@QJ89Did you even see BWBA? Or AEG?
25:57 - To be fair, Hiro says he's " _One of_ the first engines... " So Glynn could've been _the_ first (in the CG canon, anyway).
I love the history of Henry's Tunnel, Sir Topham Hatt blocked his main line just to teach Henry a lesson. Don't mess with the Fat Hatts.
No they wanted to kill him just like how he was never going to be rebuilt after his accident but kids wouldn’t stop asking for him so they had to rebuild him
Looking back, I think the reason why "Henry dies in tunnel" is so pervasive, alongside being obvs clickbait, is that it's so shocking and memorable - whereas him being freed in the next episode isn't as memorable. Add to that the scrapyard and how another train was forgotten in a shed and eventually buried by time, and...yeah, 'train dies in tunnel' isn't the only shocking, miserable 'end' in the show.
My favorite one is the “BoCo’s evil brother.” I just like the real life stuff in it. I also love the real engine numbers.
Quick question: we all know Sir Topham Hatt would never scrap any of his engines, but what and when was the closest he ever got to considering the option?
I would say Henry after the Kipper crash. He could of been pressured by the board of directors to scrap Henry instead of rebuilding him at Crew.
I'd say it was the whole Donald/Douglass fiasco. He was constantly debating which one to keep and which one to get rid of.
Scuffy in the show, but the RWS,like the comment mentioning above me, Donald and Douglas.
Also maybe Oliver.
But which Topham Hatt are you referring to? Sir Charles, Sir Bertram, or Sir Stephen?
@@vincenta.ferrervincekun2007 all of them
53:52 I can agree with your theory of Henry being a 4-6-0 all his life instead of a 4-6-2. It would add to the story that his firebox is too small.
As I said in the original short, 46:45 I will only accept Peter Capaldi as Scottish Gordon
"I'm Scottish. I can really complain about things now."
I always thought he would be great as Duncan, LOL!
@@Silvertardis Duncan is canonically confirmed to be a sailor mouth. And who's the actor for the sailor mouth spin doctor Malcolm Tucker? Peter Capaldi. It's PERFECT.
Words can’t describe how happy I am that all these debunked videos have been rescued. You can say they’ve been…. “Saved from Scrap”
YES
Now that's what I call genius
Or even that they “escaped”
lol
Very funny hehehheheheheehhehhehehehe
So I have a confession to make. I may have been the root of the whole "Henry died/stayed in the tunnel" misconception.
Years ago I was a regular on 4chan and requested the end of the episode be made on a .webm creation thread. I wanted it for YLYL threads because I always thought it was hilarious how the narrator would say "I think he deserved his punishment, don't you?", then the music would get all cheery and exciting and it would cut to Thomas smiling next to the credit roll.
Apparently people agreed, because that .webm started popping up everywhere. I had never seen it before then, so now I really think that maybe, just maybe, this could be my terrible, terrible contribution to TTTE history.
Nah, As a kid I thought he stayed there for many episodes, since i never saw the next episode until much later
Well, the TTTE fandom also has a dumb theory about Henry. Which is that the rebuilt Henry you see after "The Flying Kipper" episode is not the real Henry but in fact, a clone. Most likely because Awdry labelled the original Henry and rebuilt Henry as "Henry I" and "Henry II" respectively
You're not wrong, he Isn't just in there for a day, it is at least a few months given how stiff he is when he is fired up after being let out.
Henry: There's just me and me twin brother Horace.
Horace: Hi Henry!
Henry: Hi Horace!
Yeah I never saw this working, the whole two Henry's theory. Considering that the joke I just made comes from Victor Tanzig who I do enjoy and respect It couldn't have worked, how is Metal Fatigue any different to normal maintenance wear? It makes as much sense as any Time Travel plot would, consistent only to the writer. I honestly had the idea of having the 0-8-0 Hecate be rebuilt after her fateful crash into a SR Z class, my way of looking at it is that as long as a majority of the engine is intact it can be repaired/rebuilt into another similar class. The class Z are 0-8-0 side tank engines, as is Hecate (mainly this is because in a old Sodor/British Railway Stories series I had in mind she had a brother, and while he was built and purchased by another railway, he was very connected to her and so after her crash which was nearly fatal she was purchased and rebuilt a few days after by the head of my railway using a unfinished Z chassis and parts with as much as could be used to make her in a way like Henry)
@@MaminakaMrpaperbagThe 2 Henrys theory in my perspective is actually the phases that Henry goes through. Henry 1 would be his pre-Kipper phase and Henry 2 post that. He's still the same Henry.
5:56 And would also explain how Thomas is able to look backwards in Thomas' Train/A Big Day for Thomas.
"Why bless me, if we hadn't left them behind!"
Sad to see Thomas Debunked go, but it was fun riding the rails with this series while it lasted. Looking forward to the next video!
Why no US dub at any point?
I love how the original idea of Thomas Debunked to it be a compilation, and now it is a compilation. How convenient
*Sidious voice* It's ironic.
Glad to see these again. I've always liked the faces ARE the smoke box doors one. Never got that cursed image out of the head! 🤣
More cursed than Pixar Cars having internal organs or arms and legs?
“What do you say you little red shit?!”
@@warsthemarvel8608 Those are just fanart. Henry having a smokebox door is canon.
@@NitroIndigo and everyone knows that what's really inside the Pixar Cars is monkeys.
54:50 My theory is that the mastermind behind the theft of Gresley’s plans and thus responsible for building Henry was Sir Vincent Raven, CME of the NER prior to grouping. IRL Raven designed and built a Pacific to compete against Gresley’s A1 (referred to as the A2, not to be confused with later A2s) for adoption by the soon-to-be LNER. Could be that Raven was trying to get a leg up and hired a corporate spy to try and steal Gresley’s plans
_…Yoink._
@@Xalerdanehow did u get italic font
@@nicholasstanton9575 Underscores. (_)example(_) = _example_
@princesspixel3151 _I am also taking very detailed notes_
Like someone else said, these shorts are like the grown up version of the learning segments from the HIT era
It’s funny because Sir Topham Hatt is probably the only controller in the series who isn’t an evil dictator who treats his engines like slaves. He’s been shown to respect them, and value them.
Sir Topham Hatt is NOT an evil dictator; Hitler is an evil dictator. Sir Topham Hatt is a fatherly authority figure. And next time I hear someone say "Duh, Sir Topham Hatt is an evil dictator", I'M GONNA PUNCH THAT PERSON!!!
What about the Thin Controller?
@@alistairgeorge5082 Same with him, Fergus Duncan and Walter Richards.
What's the worst thing any controller has ever done? The Mid-Sodor manager turning Smudger into a generator?
@@NitroIndigo Possible
The idea James choosing his own red livery is similar to a headcanon I have about Ryan and his lovely dark purple livery.
When Ryan was restored at Crovan's Gate Steamworks, the Fat Controller asked Ryan if he wanted to be painted into his GNR Apple Green livery. Ryan was touched, but surprised TFC by asking if instead of having GNR decals on Apple Green livery, he could be painted in purple, his favorite color, with GNR decals. Ryan always loved the color purple, and he couldn't explain why. TFC was surprised, but agreed.
I can't help it: I love Purple!
If you think about it Sir Topham Hatt has gotten out of his way to make sure Sodor is a haven for steam engines seeing by that point in history everyone else were scrapping steam engines on mass in favour diesel engines
5:56 this is both hilarious and horrifying at the same time.
Dude chugayt must copy this
Makes more sense than their entire face stretching outwards.
Gordon's face popping out like that had me laughing outloud on the train home from work. I'm going to bed now and I'm still giggling. Thank you for that. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I picture the faces mount onto the smokebox door and can be dismounted, So seeing a scrapped engine doesn't mean he's dead.. the face (and personality) could be transplanted onto another loco with the same size door.
Haven't given any consideration if they would just go crosseyed and unconcious, Imagine retiring Thomas and mounting his face onto the station waitingroom wall!
Edit: also this would explain Henry.
That woukd be terrifying. You'te just waiting for a train then look up and see a face looking at you and saying, "Kill me." Then Sir Toppam says, "Later."
@@J.R8765 "That woukd be terrifying"
So pretty cannon then...
@@J.R8765 I understood that reference
which in itself is a reference
15:12 actually there's a simpler explanation. Push-pull engines often had the push-pull gear at both front and rear, there's examples on the GWR (who loved push-pull) of push-pull trains consisting of two carriages, the loco, and then two more carriages. So in Thomas's case, perhaps either he's gotten turned around at point or Annie & Clarabel have been moved into a siding which he could only access from one end, and rather than go find a turntable, his crew just coupled him up facing the carriages.
Of course the simplest explanation is the artists not really understanding the source material, but....
1:07:20 Woah, idea.
Thomas was an 0-6-0T from Hudswell Clarke built to the same design as the MSC engines, but was built earlier so he could still be the first engine bought by the newly consolidated NWR. (Despite going to Sodor and helping connect all three lines years before Thomas arrived, Edward was not actually bought from the Furness Railway until after Thomas was purchased, hence his being #2.) Some time before _The Railway Series_ became a thing, Thomas had an accident that necessitated a major rebuild into a new shape that was superficially similar to the LB&SCR E2. _(Oooohh, World War II! WORLD WAR II! THOMAS’ PART IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR ENDED WITH HIM NEEDING EMERGENCY LIFE-SAVING SURGERY! IT ALL FITS!)_ When Reginald Payne was hired to illustrate the first book to have Thomas in it, he misunderstood the information provided to him and illustrated Thomas as an actual E2, which stuck. Fortunately for Thomas, most of the children who come to visit him don’t know the difference. The original wooden toy of Thomas was made by Wilbert based on Thomas’ appearance before his rebuild.
Not a bad headcanon. I like it.
YES! THIS! I AM SENDING THIS TO MY FRIENDS ON DISCORD.
5:55 made me laugh harder than it should’ve
I've been laughing at it for the past 5 minutes, holy fck, its so good
It's really interesting that this series of vids were originally going to be one long video back when it first began, to then being individual uploads and now one long video. Thomas Debunked as a whole has always been a favourite. Just hearing facts and theories about different aspects of the show has always interested me and it makes for nice conversations with friends.
2:48 "Etienne never arrived on Sodor" Actually he did with the other international engines in one shot at the docks. So he was the fastest engine on Sodor at one point.
OH GOD YOUR RIGHT
Yes, but being an electric engine, he wouldn't have been able to move under his own power as there are no overhead power lines at the docks. Looking at the engines at the docks, I think he was pushed by Frieda or pulled by Yong Bao.
@@lukechristmas3951 in the US version of the great race movie, during the starting line scene of the race, the announcer says etienne is a diesel-electric engine. so he should be able to move without the electric wires. but this could just be the american version of the audio and it’s different in other places.
it’s also inconsistent with the actual engine he’s based on as everything i’ve found on that engine is that it’s a pure electric
Etienne was not on the same ship as the other international engines.
I THINK, if you wanted to make Percy the youngest work, you would have to say he's a old design but built at a later date. Best example of which would be the NER Class E1, with some built by BR in the late 40s (from a design from 1898)
with the S.C.Ruffy one they did tend to re-use the face plates for other characters and rolling stock in the model era of the show
We all know the true fastest engine in the series; it was Thomas when he had a _literal_ jet engine attatched to him
I still like the model series interpretation of Gordon's hill, I like more complicated things instead of "a straight line"
To all those wondering how long Neil and the other 2 S&M engines were on Sodor prior to Skatloey arriving, the Thomas wiki states that they were built in 1861 and arrived on Sodor that very same year.
Be honest, no one thought that this would be this long
5:57 that 100% would’ve scared younger me 😂
46:46 You think you can idle around Tidmouth all day 😂😂😂😂😂
Here's my theory for Henry following the Flying Kyper incident:
When he was sent to Crewe, instead of fixing up his old body, the workers used the train equivalent of a sedative and moved his faceplate/brain(?) to a new body and sent his old body to be scrapped since it was nothing more than an empty shell that was practically beyond repair
The engines kinda do remind me of dogs because the way humans reward them is like a dog getting a treat. Percy was told “Good boy” when racing Harold.
I also feel like I’m watching a history documentary about steam engines. 😊
Don’t give the furries more ways to ruin Thomas
@@lemmyspeaks I’m not trying to. If that ends up happening, I apologize.
Sodor seems to be a bit of a tourist destination, and as such the summer Express trains seem to get a bit long. That's probably why Gordon was brought on. If it was just normal traffic then Edward and James would be able to handle it (and James does in fact still occasionally fill in as the backup engine for the Express).
Sorry to say this but the reason why Gordon came was because Henry at the time was a failed engine and couldn't pull the express because of his small Firebox
@@PopCorn-pv8qq
And Henry was brought on... why? Likely because of the increased demand for express passenger service. And since Gordon was meant to be Henry's replacement, that means he was brought in for the same reason.
Oh ok
Sodor was undergoing economic development at the time, which was increasing the number of passengers on the railway.
Also, the NWR had only recently consolidated out of the preexisting railways on Sodor, none of which had engines optimized for pulling modern express trains across the entire length of the island.
When i was a kid i see the sad story of henry and edward, henry and gordon and never said that he died in the tunnel
A good idea to bundle them all together into one video. And we can just skip to whichever one we want.
A big-ass encyclopedia for correcting any non-fan on the most common misconceptions, facts about an engine's class or siblings, as well as theories/headcanons on minor details.
5:47 is my favourite part in Thomas Debunk
1:02:35 I find it rather interesting that Bertram Hatt (the TV series Fat Controller) now sorta has a family tree of his own. With his Great-Grandfather being revealed recently alongside his grandfather (who appeared in "Hero of the Rails"). Sadly after almost 4 decades (25 years after Dowager Hatt's introduction), we still don't know of the existence of Bertram's father and the spouse of Dowager Hatt.
To me the idea of their faces opening in the cgi sounds hilarious and would be flcool to see lol
I don't know if I actually commented this on the original video about ages in Thomas, but I find it weird that so many fans DON'T know that Thomas is really old, as in the RWS and presumably the model series, Thomas and Edward were the first standard gauge engines on the island, and were used to help lay and develop the main line prior to any of the others arriving. Of course other engines had been built prior to the standard gauge railroads being established on Sodor, but they by that fact HAVE to be very old.
These debunked videos were some of my favorite videos on your channel. My favorite is "Is Sir Topham Hatt evil?" I like how you explain the engine's desires and why the misconception is incorrect. I'm glad we can watch these videos all at once now.
Sir Topham Hatt is a lot of things:
Clumsy; at times.
Out of shape; maybe.
Absent minded; probably.
Bald; definitely.
Evil; ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I ultimately can’t agree with that one. Bulgy, Bolstrode, Sir Handel… All of them and more were mistreated.
@@Joseph_Drew_III None of them were owned by the Fat Controller's railway. In fact, falsely representing himself as part of the NWR is probably partially why Bulgy is a henhouse now.
@@Joseph_Drew_IIIWhat happened to Sir Handel?
@@NitroIndigo He decided to take a sick day, and was put into a shed while the company was buying replacement parts. That wouldn’t be too bad on its own, but Sir Handel grew scared that he was going to be scrapped. When someone finally came by with the new part, Sir Handel begged for his life. And here’s the bad part: Instead of explaining the situation and telling Sir Handel to calm down, they said “Alright. I guess we’ll let you live then.”, showing that they have no remorse for any psychological distress trains go through.
Edit: autocorrect
The reason Emily has a Scottish accent is because Stirling is a place heavily associated with Scotland, but honestly, anyone outside of the UK wouldn't be familiar with that
I would imagine her as a burly but graceful lady
@@neonfroot exactly how I see her lol
Skarloey and Rheneas are named after places their railway goes to. I'm sure that, in the Railway Series continuity, characters, and pronunciation, many an engine arriving at Knapford Junction and having the opportunity to have a conversation with Thomas, would think that here it was the other way around, and the branch line's terminus at Ffarquhar is named after the little blue Ffarquhar who pulls trains to it.
So, that's how Thomas looked back! He opened his smokebox door.
i feel like for the smokebox cleaning thing, they should make it so that the drivers would put the sweeping brush through the engine's mouth. as an engine equivalent to them scrubbing their tounge with a toothbrush.
In regards to the Henry 1 and Henry 2 mystery, I believe HOW it was done was by this.
We all agree Henry couldn't possibly be remade into a black 5, but going with the debunk short about the smoke box doors being their faces, what MIGHT have happened is that the works removed Henry 1s smoke box door and attached it to the black 5 Henry 2. This would explain how he went from Gordon's shape, to an entirely different design, AND how he still has all his memories and why the fat controller refers to him as Henry.
I of course could very well be wrong about this, considering I don't know the smoke box door/boiler size of the 2, but looking at all the artwork and models, Henry and Gordon are basically the same size so It could be possible.
The real question is why the IoS book says there have been 2 Henrys since 1922.
Awdry didnt want to be confused lol@@joshuaW5621
25:09 Oh thing for sure is the Henry's Tunnel, in the TVs, was between Crosby and Knapfort, on the other side of the island.
I thought this series would be gone forever because they were the secrets that Mattel didn't want getting out
Does anyone else just love the sound of Conner passing spencer
Idk why but it just gives me goosebumps
I have a theory on why engines ages are weird (in cgi anyway) I think an engines age comes from how much they have worked not when they were built so while Toby has been Working for years. Someone like Percy seemed to have none so it makes sense he would act very young and unmature.
46:45 still has me weak😂
I'd still like to see that Photoshopped Henry deal from 56:26 as a real model, that would lead to an interesting Tugs Trains.
6:36 - Thomas and Gordon aging by dictation of their build dates would have been indifferent ultimately to where they stood in terms of hierarchy, and how they learn from the obstacles placed upon them. Wilbert Awdry essentially defined the characterisations of the engines in this way.
30:21 - My take for Oliver, which in fact ties into my show pitch plans for 'Thomas & Friends' moving forward, is that he is indeed not numbered 1436, but instead fellow 1400 class loco 1424. 1424, according to a book I have that details the basis, was withdrawn at the close of 1963, having rapped up the reported highest service mileage for the class. It spent the bulk of its working life based out of Gloucester, having initially worked in Wales. Given how Wilbert Awdry writes Oliver as a plucked but overconfident character, I find the juxtaposition a perfect one.
43:47 - Skarloey and Rheneas having Welsh accents could be explained away by their honouring respect for their Welsh twins by adopting their accents. Furthermore, Skarloey gaining a deep voice could be explained away by the knowledge given to us through Wilbert Awdry's Sodor history lecture notes. At one time, so the notes state, Skarloey was used to haul standard-gauge wagons for the Crovan's Gate Mining Company, being mounted on a custom-built special haulage wagon for the task. He hauled wagons twice his size at slow speed to Kirk Ronan harbour, and the extra effort from doing this would have caused him to make drawn-out pants, which would have opened up his vocal cords over time, giving him an unusually deeper sound for a little engine.
55:51 - Henry being heavily modified with LMS parts as opposed to being scrapped and replaced with a new engine is an interesting concept, and it makes fair sense as well. With that said, I think it likely Henry's mind-set would have been transferred to a Black 5 engine under construction; costs would have been more stabilised long-term with a standard engine.
Regards, Samuel Farris.
The idea that Dennis is potentially FUCKING DEAD is very morbidly funny to me for some reason
One thing I'd like to add about BoCo, is that his number of D5702 was also used on the two-rail Hornby-Dublo model of the Class 28 / Co-Bo. This was likely the model Wilbert had, and also the one he would have provided to the illustrators.
Scottish Gordon sounds like an awesome idea
We would have to change his poshness for a more gruff type of arrogamce.
No Spencer isn't Mallard but his brother just like Gordon and Scotsman are brothers
I still have the original ‘how long is the main line?’short on my iPad.
So, one other thing with Henry's rebuild, it makes sense that he came back as a 5MT "Black Five" due to _where_ he was rebuilt. Crewe was the main steamworks for the London, Midland and Scottish Railway, which was the primary operator of the 5MT, so Crewe was specifically tooled to build that class of locomotive which, as a 4-6-0 "Ten Wheeler" design, is the closest thing the LMS had to Henry's design. Obviously a LOT had to be rebuilt, but due to the severity of the crash Henry would have needed a total overhaul anyway, and probably would have been written off if he was working for any other railway - but the Fat Controller takes care of his engines, even if he can be a little hot-headed and quick to jump to conclusions.
I do kinda wish that the “smoke box door” went into more depth. Maybe it’s in an different place on the front of the engine. Then again, maybe the faces do just open
Gordon opening his smoke box door and looking at James caught me so off guard I choked on the sunflower seed I was eating
The funicular railway in your footage is in Folkestone Kent UK. I used to ride it all the time as a child. Sadly it has shut down in the last 5 years. Not far from there is the Romney Hythe and dymchurch railway. A narrow gauge main line
One thing you forgot about Henry’s Tunnel:
It was actually built by the Sodor And Mainland Railway, but collapsed due to inadequate conditions. The newly formed NWR rebuilt the tunnel while creating a new one.
Imagine if the people who wrote clickbait articles actually watched the show. There are plenty of fucked-up things in Thomas & Friends without having to read too deep into it. That's why I like TomSka's Thomas video so much; he starts out with the obvious "Henry died in the tunnel" sensationalism, only to point out that he was let out in the next episode.
And applying their narrow humanistic values to non-humans whom wouldn’t share our same values. Engines would perceive passage of time differently than we do.
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Yea, I dont like how people like to anthropomorphise the characters too much.
Alot of modern entertainment relies too heavily on excessive anthropomorphism. Christianity is the biggest example. Conservatives say humanism is the oppoite of the Bible, yet , the way humans self pedestalize in Christian perspectives, I say Christianity is theological humanism.
While yes Thomas leaving the wagons behind without noticing is odd, even WEIRDER is how did his DRIVER not notice it?! Ore the Fireman?!
Time stamp?
@@chrisdeeyt4392 You realy think 3 months later I still know when in the vidio that happend?
In regard to actual engines appearing in Thomas, I have been thoroughly impressed with the homework the writers must have down to come up with some of the characters. Even in the CGI era; I was gob smacked when they portrayed Dash and Bash on "Misty Island Rescue" as the gypsy logging engines Falk and Gypsy preserved in Eureka, CA; and Marion, the Marion rail mounted steam shovel. Both of these are little-known steam engines; the writers and/or their consultants really know their steam machines.
I once had a project where I was documenting the world's remaining steam engines. One thing that endured Thomas to me was the world they created where steam engines were everywhere; not just locomotives, but steam rollers, traction engines, steam waggons, and steam ships are all kinds, even a four-stack ocean liner.
My son and to a lesser extent myself thought they modeled the entire Island of Sodor. The short on the time to travel across Sodor shows why that would be impossible. Sixty miles, scaled down to HO (1/87) scale, is still 3,641 feet; or roughly 2/3 of mile. It would take an army of workers years to build it, and good luck trying to find a building large enough to hold it. But they did a great job of making an illusion of modeling the entire island.
The red engine in the first book looks a bit like the Midland Railway's 2501s/2511s, which would've been getting withdrawn around the time Thomas and Edward were sent over. So maybe Topham asked for an engine, and they sent them one they were withdrawing and didn't need anymore. Whether it worked out and we just never see it again or it was sent back to meet its fate, who knows.
5:55 For Thomas & Friends, that would be the ultimate jumpscare!
Funny how this was meant to be one big video, and eventually, it did become on big video! I’m glad these weren’t forgotten and that they we rereleased
So many things to comment on…
Honestly, I don’t mind the smokebox door thing, I actually think it’s a bit funny. Really only works with the Spong/Edwards illustrations, though.
The 652 Scottish Twins was my absolute fave. I feel that the 812 in quotations was a subtle wink from Awdry, hinting to this technical fact.
Guantleted tracks are so interesting! I wonder if anyone’s done it in model form…🤔
41:42 This makes me want to get a Bachmann Thomas and just paint him LBSC black… with a very p’d off expression 😂
The possibilities for OG Thomas are amazing, but I’m sticking with the J50 (it’s almost done, btw)
In my headcanon, the Austerity Engine is named Christopher, but he just goes by Chris, and he’s painted red with blue lining, an inverse of Wilbert’s.
And it is so interesting to see all these background engines in the early days. I can see someone making the W&S 0-6-0 from a Hornby B2 Peckett.
Like I said, so much to talk about.
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I remember the debate on patreon how these should be either shorts or long form. I voted for long form and I am so glad they are back like this. Shorts just don't do it for me, muh rather sit down with a cup of tea and watch once a week rather than a minute every day or whatever.
Good stuff Tug.
I understand you not making more but I loved this little series.
Personally, I like to think that Skarloey and Rheneas possibly picked up the accent when they were sent for repairs, assuming that the events of the books they debuted in still took place in the CGI universe, and they were in bad enough condition for the repairs to be done by their original builders, they ended up reunited with Tallylyn and Dolgoch temporarily.
To be fair, I normally like to have a head cannon in which Wilbert and SixTeen are separate characters. Primarily because I don’t wanna be either confusing or maybe because I like a little consistency. Kinda similar to how famous Looney Tunes character Elmer Fudd and another named EggHead are different characters despite wearing the same clothes and the same derby hats. Even before Elmer became Warner Bros.’ antagonistic adversary for Bugs Bunny.
An hour long compilation? This is great!
this was a great random video that came across my page. I had a great laugh at 2 sections, the first was that the faceplates were the doors for the smoke boxes, and the 2nd was the scene you made with Gordon having a scotish accent, swearing at percy and casually pulling away lmao. Otherwise i really enjoyed your theory/debunked video and your thoughts on it, having pretty much grown up with all the versions of Thomas and Friends. (Books, TV/Movies and CGI)
22:23 just like i said on the original version, realisticlly two-thirds of the cast would be dead today!
I’d be surprised if BoCo’s brother actually was evil.
Thomas Debunked was fun while it lasted!
I certainly prefer this over a bunch of small shorts.
Actually Awdry gave the Pane a picture of a E2 but with Pane not adding the slop on the back. Awdry wanted something to make Thomas more conventional so he had Thomas crash into the house to make him realistic. The reason I know this is according to the Hornby book of trains as the author of the book said that Pane just illustrated it wrong. I can get a screenshot of it if you want.
Glad these were saved! I was about starting to binge these right before your channel got terminated, so re-watching this again feels so good!
Thanks for reuploading these as one big video. I love the obscure lore touched on in some of these shorts, and it’s nice to have them back again all in one place.
I love Thomas Debunked! Thomas Debunked videos are always so interessting. I'm glad they are back on CZcams. I actuly forgot some of the facts in some of these videos so some of them were new to me again. Amazing video! Hope you have a great day!
So I'll just combine all my comments into one:
1: A minor note on top speeds: for steam engines, the only way to set those records properly was with special runs. there's likely many cases of engines breaking the 126mph mark. Many have argued that the Milwaukee Road's Hiawathas likely did that regularly, as the schedules called for an average of 120mph.
2: I kinda like a combination of the RWS version of Gordon's hill with the model series' track layout. Where I liver in New England, track tends to twist and turn to tackle grades, so it's just more familiar to me.
3: I feel like Scruffy's reappearances were just reusing the face. the other appearances don't have his S.C.Ruffy markings.
4: The numbers of the twins is a little odd. The last 812 built wasn't 661, but 665. For some reason 661 was skipped and became the last one built, and even then only after 325-328 were built. They would have ended up with their numbers anyway, but it's just a strange little thing.
5: It's hard to base Percy's age by comparing his appearance to others. With how much he's been modified, it's hard to say if he looked like Trojan when he was built in the first place.
6: Technically Hiro says he's "one of the first," so he's in the clear.
7: There's a good chance the presence of 1420 could be for the same reason you suggested his 1436 plate: to throw others off his trail. after all, 1420 is certainly not on the island.
8: My logic for numbers is that if it's a preserved engine, a character having that number is a reference to that engine, as opposed to being that engine. However, it it belongs to a scrapped engine, it's likely the same engine.
9: An interesting theory: Thomas is fitted for push-pull service. it's never stated WHERE this this was fitted, so for all of those that want Umber Brown Thomas, the LBSC may have experimentally fitted it to him, and giving him the brown paint for passenger service along with it.
10: I don't care where the engines are from, but as long as we don't get the same British accent for engines from all over England, I'm happy.
11: Hatt wouldn't scrap an engine, but Hatt didn't have that much control over what Stanier did. That being said, it's likely Henry I and Henry II are the same engine. The trailing wheels, given Henry's length and small firebox, was likely unnecessary and deleted to give him better adhesion. He got a new Belpaire firebox, but his Gresley-based straight boiler was reused as it appears in the book illustrations. Plus Hatt would know if Stanier gave him a different engine, thus Stanier would have to go through with a rebuild.
12: There's a good chance Boco had no idea what his brother was up to. I sure as hell don't know what my brother in Texas is doing.
13: So, James only got blue lining around 1965. Prior to that it was black. Interestingly, 1965 was the Centenary of the Skarloey Railway. It's possible he as touched up for that. A possible explanation for the earlier red paint was that a cash-strapped Northwestern Railway was seriously considering painting engines entirely in buffer beam red to save costs.
14: Hatt I didn't exactly marry the sister of a competitor. The Skarloey railway likely worked closely with the Northwestern, so it's possible Hatt I met Jane while meeting with Sir Handel regarding business stuff. Also Amanda Croarie is the sister of Jacob Croarie and daughter of the Jabez Croarie, owner and founder of the Ffarquhar Quarry Company. These links, combined with how much the industries on Sodor rely on the railways, makes the Hatt family one of the most powerful families on the island.
15: Now, I had an interesting thought regarding the austerity engine. It's never stated he DID get the engine, just that he was looking for one. That being said, we do know the next engine that was supposed to be added to the NWR lineup: Barry. My thought is that Hatt went to the scrapyard where Wilbert said he could find an austerity tank, only to find it's gone: scrapped, sold or otherwise. But he does find Barry there, and decides to buy him instead. Unfortunately, publishers just wanted more Thomas, so we never got Barry or the aAusterity tank, so we'll never know.
God, that was a lot...