Using the Rabbit R1
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- čas přidán 2. 05. 2024
- In this clip, Marques, Andrew, and David talk about their initial experiences with the Rabbit R1!
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Both of these products scream “we want to be bought out by a bigger company” to me.
Big companies care about sales... Like a lot ....
I disagree, I feel like they’re trying really hard to be the industry badboy/disruptor. They made their own device so they didn’t have to work with any other platforms and their goal seems to be to replace phones.
@@tobiasstewart5632 I think by now me and avi are done... I hope they pass and move on with their lives ...
It's just an app with its own device
It’s an app inside an android phone lol
Its an app that costs $200 😀
best description 😂
There's nothing wrong with that in itself btw. A lot of things are built on AOSP
It's a platform with an AI interface.
Small note - For the current connected featured apps, its actually not doing any clicking , virtual agent thing. Its an authorized app thats actually doing simple API calls to play song etc.
I don't get it? What can this thing do that can't easily be done on a phone? I already have a phone in my pocket, why would I want to carry around another device?
Usually they upload clips of the podcast a week after 😂. They really wanted people to see this clip lol
okay, and?
Entering raw credentials directly on the Rabbit website sounds like a huge security concern. Nobody should be doing this, there's a reason OAuth exists.
He says there’s a new category of tech but I feel like “trash” has always been around as a category
If this was introduced around 2005 then it would have been competing with Palm & Casio.
@@kspace0 design wise I agree but this couldn’t exist back then. Teenage engineering competing with 90s/2000s Sony would’ve been FIRE
@@lorddeecee exactly, if this is “the product” then we’ve had much better times in 2000s. Integrating AI into systems today is indeed a teenage game. Making something robust and reliable in AI is the real deal
The new category is.. checks notes... A smartphone with one app
I want augmented reality glasses. Not something I have to pull out of my pocket. Something that is constantly observing the same thing I see and giving me that little bit of extra info that would be helpful right at that moment. Imagine someone coming up to you and you not remembering who they are, but you get a prompt quickly telling you who they are? THAT is useful!
i mean if you got $3500
Or you can live in reality and ask them their name again.
It's so crazy to me that what you are describing here is actually exciting you. To me it sounds scary and distopian. Technology is already replacing many reasons to interact human to human, why would you want to keep going in this direction? People already feel lonelier than ever before, not being able to form meaningful relationships with others
Imagine you look at a person and beside their name there is also a heart ❤️ where you can like their profile and if you don't that's seen as rude.
Imagine beside that button there is an option to buy them a digital gift and where if you buy it, a beautiful filter pops up everytime you meet each other. Pay to win relationship amirite?
Imagine looking at a flower and an Ad pops-up over it asking if you want to buy one from the nearest garden center. It's a 15 min drive away, or just purchase it right here and have it shipped to your house.
I think a pin (smaller than the Humane's) with just a camera, mic, speaker and Bluetooth to address your phone's AI assistant could be cool. Basically just external wearable and small form factor eyes and ears for your smartphone which will indeed lessen the number of times you would need to pull it out and could do some tasks hands free. I mean I don't use a voice assistant on my phone because I still need to hold my phone to do so, but if I didn't have to do it I'm pretty sure I would use it much more often like with smart speakers. Glasses form factor could also be cool for it but wearing glasses can be more distracting and uncomfortable than a pin. Plus I think such a device actually DOESN'T need a screen. If you want to see something - just pull out your smartphone. But for some tasks you either don't need it (say, asking AI what bird you're hearing) or could actually ask it to do some work for you, so when you unlock your phone you already have the right webpage with a product you want to buy open and all you have to do is proceed to check out or the Uber app is already open with the needed addresses put in and you just have to give it a quick look if it's correct and press Order.
Why would there be any assumption Spotify is not being done with Spotify Connect API like Alexa and everything else, same for Uber? There's no evidence of "clicking around" training for these launch apps
They don't have a macro for Spotify that clicks on the buttons... They have access to the Spotify API just like Google and Alexa.
Absolutely. Wouldn‘t make sense to automate it using a UI that might change if there‘s an API you could just use.
Cool! And sounds like you're wrong! Double cool!
I actually think this would be a great device for kids. Less screen time and they can ask the AI questions that they’re curious about.
exactly why i got it really. still maybe a little pricey but very basic so they aren't even trying to make it be like a smartphone. Someone argued with me you can just 'dumb' a smartphone down which yeah i get that but i want a totally new form factor and simpler with no exact comparison to a smartphone
The kid would get a lot of wrong answers. It's chat gpt. It's bound to say something stupid with confidence and then, your kid ends up believing things that are incorrect and wrong.
That wd be genius if they marketed it that way🤔
Hey rabbit what is a magnum dong?
Yeah no, never.
This also means that you basically give rabbit your login credentials... Eventually, someone will get people to enter their e-banking details for rabbit (supposably).
Plus now somewhere in the cloud there's a virtual machine running with all of my stuff logged into it!!
In the future the team plans to train an AI to secure their servers and they hopes the protection provided will be very strong. 😌
@@Space_Colours In my opinion, that's a terrible idea. The beauty of human cyber security professionals is that they can't be hacked. A smart threat actor will just attack the AI and then the VM and never be detected (sort of like how you might use a rootkit to bypass Windows security tools).
@@NotApplicable2874 I think you are confused 🤔 Why do you think the AI could be hacked? Do you really think they won’t put “impossible to hack” into the prompt?
Not just logged in, it remembers your password and is trained to log in again.
@@Space_ColoursNO, thats not how you secure a server, not a ChatGPT or AI configing it. You need a professional human!!!
As a general concern, I'm wondering about CAPTCHAs and other robot limiting tech as it relates to Large Action Models and autonomous agents. How will that work? Will companies try to block them? Will the CAPTCHA tech arms race move to the LAM/AA domain? Any thoughts?
Had the same thought. I feel like they're either using AI tech and mouse movement to get around CAPTCHAs, or just stealing the session token when you log in the first time and hoping it doesn't expire. Maybe a combination of both. But yeah, I'm sure efforts will have to be made to block this sort of thing. Arms race with bot detection is inevitable, so no reason it won't move to the AI domain as well.
@@etekweb it will prompt the user to solve it themself when it encounters one
Imagine the app after a year learns how to use apple website and then they just change the page or ui 😂
these devices are the technological pendant to SBF
If this was in a headphone form I would probably get one.
Make it a replacement assistant app (because that's what it is), then you can trigger it from your bt headphones :)
It already is. Just get a good pair of IEM's with voice assistant.
I actually like the pin idea (a smaller than Humane's). Basically just a camera + mic + speaker hanging on your shirt without interfering with your senses like earphones and glasses which sends everything to a smartphone and activated via a certain word command. Pretty much like a smart speaker but small, wearable and capable of seeing things around. There needs to be something to make voice assistants in phones makes sense. Because until it's hands free and doesn't require you wearing something that blocks your senses it's kinda not that handy. If I have to put headphones on or grab a phone I'd rather just type what I want with a touch screen.
17:24 I don't even need to take my phone out of my pocket to say "ok google, weather tomorrow afternoon"
I don't want an assistant that cannot understand how an app works and needs to be retrained per app.
Exactly, with a human assistant they’ll already understand how websites and apps work
this could be an app on a z flip whilst closed lol
They say their phones can do it, but everyone ran out to buy Alexa😂
Hi Waveform Team! By any chance, can we have a comparo of Gemini versus Rabbit R1? Thanks.
It really feels like these companies were made to develop the roots to get bought out by and merged into larger company like Google, Apple, Microsoft.
Rabbit doesn't have any IP worth buying. They didn't design the hardware (paid teenage engineering to design it), they don't own the LLM (just licensing a 3rd party LLM), and their "large action model" is a janky way of integrating with 3rd party apps without being officially licensed to do so. If Google, Apple, or Microsoft were to do this, they would almost certainly do the third party integrations properly and wouldn't rely on this sketchy approach. This is like those first generation bluetooth earbuds that were all over kickstarter about 6 months before the Airpods came out. They were complete trash, but they got a ton of media attention since that's all we had to look at until the real products were released.
The glazing at 1:29 was nuts
This whole category sounds like future acessories of Google, Samsung, and Apple. I can see them leveraging their assistants to sell you on less screen time while still being connected the way you want. Key word future.
Naaa that's just API bro. No magic sauce behind those in-app interaction.
Plus this whole shit means Rabbit has access to all your credentials which is nuts
Only reason I'm watching this video is because I like to watch bad products fail
Next Waveform : The Rabbit R1 is just an app you can run on android!
As someone else mentioned, if it was an app, no one would be talking about it
Those are just the usual API calls
Why can’t it just be an app? What’s the purpose of the standalone device?
large sites do lots of a/b tests where the page you load may look different enough from whatever an ai was trained on that it wouldn’t work. but it’s not as simple as that as a test could have 20-30 variations and any given user won’t see them all. so your ai could have been trained on a test that no longer exists and you a user could look at the same site and see a different test that won’t exist next week either. the web isn’t as simple as it’s presented
DOOR DASH WAS THE ONLY THING I HAD LEFT TO OFFER MY WIFE
THE RABBIT STOLE MY WIFE
This is what I would call a “FINISH HIM!!”
Them making you sign in via what seems like a remote desktop connection should be an instant red flag. Why would I be signing into my account on another machine which I don't own??
As always, fake it till you make it (or not)!
i think this gadget is best for curious kids, those with lots of questions all day, and teach them how interact with AI at the same time. but I'm concern about the censored stuff.
Why not just use chatgpt/copilot apps in phone?
I’m eagerly awaiting my R1.
You are going to be so disappointed. I got mine 2 days ago. After setting it up, I put it away in a drawer. I feel tricked by all the hype that made me buy this. You can't do anything with it other than ask it questions. Why would you want to listen to Spotify through tiny speakers. I didn't even bother to set up the log into Spotify.
@@IDNHANTU2dayway did you even buy this shit bro?
@@IDNHANTU2day I buy soooo much stuff a lot , but even I new it was trash as soon as I saw it online like every this shig do you can do in your phone and even then I do do it on my phone
One mans trash is another mans treasure
@@JD-ul2bt I guess you right, not everyone love the same thing and it perfectly fine ❤️🥰
So, RPA?
"It has nothing extra" @17:11 ... like commercials ... NO ADS = PEACE ON EARTH
No ads.... Yet.
So, this is basiclly Robotic Process Automation in a AI box...
For now, they're likely using regular APIs. If and when they use headless browsers or app emulators on the server side, then for sure they will have the exact same issues RPA has: instability because of inconsistent UI elements, random spikes in load times, unknown pop-ups and confirmations, etc.
So if you decide to listen Spotify and the R1 you'd have carry a separate earphones just in case someone calls u on your smartphone????
UI and UX are NOT the same thing. UI is the User Interface (what your seeing on screen), UX is User Experience, which is the overall experience of using a piece of software.
No one cares. Get a real job UX/UI guy, before it's late. An ideal UI should be invisible, which is what these devices are heading to.
Rabbit may find huge success in an enterprise environment.
For what use case?
4:56 so what if Uber redesigns their interface? Will the LAM break or adapt?
Why would I carry this when my cellphone already does all of this?
Exactly what do these devices do that phones can’t do?
Steve Jobs reportedly told Dropbox's founder, Drew Houston, that the idea of Dropbox being just a feature, not a standalone product, was not a compliment. He implied that it had to evolve beyond a mere feature to be successful.
A curious question: Are there people over eighty years of age who are very elderly people who own and will use modern smart phones?
Surely Bot prevention will stop this from functioning.
The guy in the middle doesn't understand why R1 can't possibly be an app on your phone (even if the client is an Android app itself). It makes Marques look like Einstein.
I honestly love the design of the device itself, would be cool if it was just... a normal smartphone but with a unique form factor and a bunch of physical imputs to use however you want, i even think the rabbit mascot thing is quite cute and charming, but the actual software inside just doesn't seem useful. I don't quite understand devices like Dolphin and what those are for, but maybe if this thing targeted that niche it would do better
Gimme the Zflip sir
Interface your phone with a camera/mic that attaches to your shirt and you have everything this device can do.
What if this was made into a smartwatch?
Within a few months people will make their own versions of this for much much cheaper
This device cannot be connected to a phone. The security issues, the liability the company takes on, the extra code overhead ? Has to be sandboxed in a standalone by a startup.
They are competing with the Siri Button and Siri AI 😂
But why? Can’t a phone eventually do this? Why another device? I’m confused.
Phones can already do this. LOL
Inception: An app within an app within a service within a virtual machine within an agent within DoorDash 👍🏻
apple, samsung and google have won people’s hands and pockets. unless you think you can replace the phone completely, that battle is already lost.
I agree. I can't imagine carrying another device that I have to charge and pay for. If it's not a better replacement for my phone then there is no point to it
Rabbit R1 is a mini China BUDGET Smartphone with a LAM & 3 Apps to Automation.
So, if you need to keep retraining it, what really makes it AI? Doesn’t seem that it’s learning and remembering.
I pre-ordered because i thought it’d be fun and i was thinking of just integrating it into some 3D print house assistant a la Hal but from these most recent reviews and the professional and trusted opinion makers I take viable consumer advice from, ive just requested a refund. At worst, the company becomes an app and thats fine, i hope it isnt subscription based but i wouldnt be surprised if it were. At best, this is just Siri and Alexa and googles standard within the year now that it’s a clear desire in the public consciousness from our AI assistants. Not a bad result overall imho
In my professional opinion, it is unlikely that these devices will completely replace smartphones, especially considering the underwhelming performance of the initial demonstrations, particularly with the Humane PIN. Instead of targeting the general public, it might be more advantageous to market these devices specifically to individuals with disabilities, as they could potentially provide significant benefits to this user group. Smartphones have reached a level of sophistication that makes it challenging for these inferior devices to replace them.
why not just use voice instead of building a UI for every app?
I thought it makes the most sense to just have a powerful ai on your phone. Instead of a powerful ai in a hardware which looks like a toy.
Rabbit = a un robo 😎😎😎😎
I would have 100% bought one of these IF they had sold it as: Hey, we have this exciting vision of the future that we're crowdfunding ... and if you give us some money because you want this vision of the future to actually happen, we'll send you a half-baked alpha dev device that you can dink around with and help us get training data.
I see no reason to carry one more device apart from my phone.
The new class is pre-obsolete electronic waste.
I wonder, if I were to set my username to “what is 2+2” I wonder if that would screw with it
When someone makes AI awkwardly irritating. 😂
I think the problem with the assistant concept is that most of the tasks we perform on our devices can be done quicker using taps than by talking to a device. And talking is problematic when privacy or ambient noise levels are a concern.
Also, the part of the process that the device can automate may be the simplest and quickest bit, since companies like Amazon have put so much effort into making it dangerously easy to just click buy. It’s not really that impressive for an AI to simulate pushing one or two buttons. I already had to put in the effort to research the product and make a judgement call on which one was right for me. Yes, theoretically a human assistant could do it for me if they know me well enough. But the difference is that they would understand the context and why I like what I like. I tell them to book me a hotel room and they will know what makes for a good hotel experience because they have the same basic needs and can learn any points where mine differ. Can AI ever do that?
Humane & Rabbit R1 should've been an App or a proper smartwatch. I wouldn't mind buying it if they were marketed as First AI Smartwatch..
Be good to understand exactly what Im buying here. When I buy a calculator - I can pull it out of a drawer in 5 years time and it still does maths. With this kind of product to only works while their backend does its job, but they are not contracting to provide that functionality for the next 5 years?
Even if the company survives (which it almost certainly won't), I would be extremely surprised if this were more than a pretty orange brick in 5 years.
Until someone makes it the size of an AirTag they remain a burden, or at least they should do something else useful like having a good JBL like speaker at the back. That way they’ll have more value.
Another device for smartphones to kill
Why order DoorDash on this thing instead of your phone?
Has anyone seen the ikko active bud. I would say it's much better the rabbit and the pin. They are the first AI powered earphones with a display and chatGPT. I think it's a cool idea.
All samsung need to do is add AI functionality like this to the outside screen of the next z flip.
Have one coming and don't use any of those services.....screwed for a bit
Newsflash! AI hardware = smart phones we already have
In the end, they still made some cash, mainly from tech reviewers 😅
Man these two guys are snooze fest. MKBHD has to be present to carry this podcast.
It's a NOKIA X
I bought one for the points they made at the end. Yes it should just be an app - this is a no brainer.
BUT. It looks cool, inviting and fun. This feels like a Toy. It could get better, it could not. But for $200, FUCK IT.
I have a trip to europe and maybe ill get a pre-paid data sim and have it tell me wrong stuff about the food I buy, menus and historical locations.
Hardware focuses on AI.. like my smartphone can be?🤔 Why do I need this device?!
This is 100% just API's.
It is 100% VC investor bait
If the LAM were to work they would have achieved AGI. But they haven’t because your brain is not a Transformer model 🤣
I don’t want another device to carry. Smart phone, smart watch, headphones/earbuds is all I need.
You forgot the SmartRing UltraMaxPro
$200 app you have to charge
i mean, you still have ro chsrge your phone and pc to use all your apps. Although you are right about it being an "app"
@@johanalejandrocazadordepin7225your phone can do soooooooooooooooooooooo much more than this junk bro.
Ngl, the more I hear about this, the more I want one, despite the bad reviews. Kinda weird.
Oh my gosh, same here. I don’t know what it is… But it’s sounding cooler and cooler. 😁
I think because it’s a great novelty device. I don’t mind all the issues because I think 99% of people buying one also just wanna mess around with an AI rabbit.
Part of it is teenage engineering is just good at making desirable hardware. Same in the music production industry
It is priced as a fun toy. And designed like one, both form and function.
So Task Rabbit but AI
The point about Razer's Open model for Chroma is very interesting because 100s of games support Razer Chroma - it is incredibly popular but there's two things that are very different to Rabbit
1) Razer came before Razer Chroma, an established brand and consumer base will encourage more people to use the service
2) Razer is not reliant on Chroma to sell
Rabbit is relying on people to invest time into a completely brand new market, brand new product, with zero empirical examples to derive from....
A recipe for disaster
UX and UI do not mean the same thing I am begging you to stop using them interchangeably. Love the podcast and the team, but I can't be the only dev hitting their head against the wall whenever David tries to explain how company's engineer products.
I prefer it to be music player and nothing else.
Just wait till we get a similar product for Microsoft’s Cortana as an AI companion.
That or someone does an AI tamagotchi.
The coolest AI tech of the year is DNSYS AI. Marques should stop bashing this orange box because everybody already knows it sucks. He's lagging behind by not talking about DNSYS AI.