Running Netscape Navigator on Windows 10?
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Fun Fact: There is still some code from Netscape Navigator being used in Firefox.
The more you know
@Martin Dawson quake 1 code is basically in every single fps game from 1995 onwards
@Martin Dawson quake code is everywhere, i wouldnt be suprised
What part of Firefox uses the Netscape code?
I use firefox
Fun fact for anyone reading comments on a year old video: the reason why webpages look so broken on older browser is this: in a huge simplification websites consist of three parts - html markup, which is basically content of a website, css markup which defines website layout and JavaScript scripts that handle interactions and animations on a website. From 2010 html and especially css went through rapid changes to accommodate for mobile devices. Those changes *somewhat* stabilized around 2014. Any browser that came before that point has significant chance of being unable to process that updated markup and will just ignore it. Many websites code their layouts mobile-first, which means mobile layout is loaded as default and desktop layout is added or replaced when a specific device size is detected, that's why those older browsers will sometimes show only mobile version since they can't process the markup that checks for device size and ignore the code that should be loaded there.
The download speed isn’t slow - it’s “authentic” :-)
Are you saying it was at that slow download speed back in the '90s? I am not from the '90s, so I'm just asking.
@@hajivideos9104 my first connection to the internet was using a 2400bps modem. That’s 0.002Mbps compared to today. I then upgraded across time to 14.4kbps, 28.8kbps and eventually 56Kbps (that’s 0.0576 Mbps). At these high speeds it only took around one hour to download a 25MB file. Compare that to my original 2400bps modem which could transfer about 1MB per hour.
@@hajivideos9104 56Kbps dialup was pretty much the norm back in the 90’s. You would dial up whenever you wanted to go online. Most houses had a single phone line so you wouldn’t be able to call your friends on the telephone if they were online. I used to have a second phone line just for the modem so I could stay connected for days and my friends could still contact me.
@@wizdude so even 5 MB would be 5 hours?! Oh my god!!!! Would 24 MB be a whole day?! O_o
Would 365 GB be a whole year?! Was 5 GB 5 days???? 😰
@@hajivideos9104 kids
10:21 I think it froze up there because you clicked into the cmd and entered select mode. Programs pause while you're in select mode.
You can just right click anywhere and it'll copy whatever you have selected and exit select mode.
Came to say the same thing...I was screaming at the screen lol
Pressing esc will also exit select mode without copying anything
There's something really cool about running old software in newer OS, it's a contrast between old and new.
Just a few names that I took for granted around 1994-1996: Netscape Navigator, Pegasus Mail, Altavista, ICQ, Word Perfect 5.0 and ZIP Drive. I miss those days, also I feel old (46).
Zip disks were such a bad idea that the creators basically named them after an archive format. All they had to do was name it "Zippy" and it would be so much less confusing and fit with their "motto" of being fast, I guess. It always made me think they were compressing files instead of just copying them. You pretty much had to lug an external Zip drive around just to make sure other computers could read them. They were floppies when floppies were going out of style and didn't even fit in a floppy drive. Can you say Click of Death? Two thumbs way, way down on that technology.
Don't forget Claris Works lol
Dude - Netscape was dope! I remember when we upgraded from 28.8K to 56K dialup! And then, downloading a 4 minute illegal copy of a song only took 20 minutes! Someone needs to make a legit skin for Chrome.
21:35 maybe its because the file is 0 KB lol
edit: when I tried to download it was 0kb for me too. there is something with the site
Rover can I pet you?
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Explorer only shows file sizes larger than a KB. If it displays 0KB doesn't mean that it's empty.
BRUH I DINT EVEN NOTICE YOU DID THE SAME THING😂😂😂
@@JuvStudios Wrong. Windows rounds sub-kilobyte files up to 1KB in Explorer. Just create an empty new text document: It will show as a 0KB file in Details view. Now open it, enter a few characters and save: now it shows as a 1KB file (file properties will of course display the actual size in bytes).
Welp, he did it. Thanks for making a video on my suggestion!
2nd
bruh
@@Slinguh1111 forgot to switch accounts hmmmm?
@gamerdog3345 No. I just wanted to say that.
SlingMine1 yah yah
I've got an addon for Firefox that has a Netscape logo in the addons section next to the address bar (where AdBlock and the like go) that plays the little loading animation when you load a webpage. Nostalgic.
It makes me remember the days of using Netscape 6.2 on my windows 98 PC as my main web browser.
Same on Win2000 for me.
Considering how slow the Mcom servers are it makes me wonder if they are actually hosted on AOL's dial-up
Chances are, they're probably still hosted on AOL's dial-up connection today in 2020!
@@WickerBasket9 @nickjuly4A more likely they're running out of the back room at DNA Lounge.
21:45 What a legends hosting that page!
not only do they offer you a way to experience old browsers, but also the download speeds appropriate to the day too.
8:16 I'm actually a bit surprised that the generated HTML is using CSS instead of HTML elements
Mozilla was always promoting web standards back then.
There’s a switch under Preferences which allows you to control this behavior (i.e. generate either HTML attributes or inline CSS).
i wanna compose my own webpage
@@handlesrtwitterdontbelivethem pretty easy, learn html and css, and js / php if you want to make the page actually do anything
I don't think web - development is the best thing, but people think it's cool because it drives visible results more quickly
im not gonna learn all that i need a easyier one which is wix but it has that stuped watermark
Amazingly I still have some CD-ROM versions of Netscape Navigator/Communicator. They could use a new home though.
There were a lot of memories in there, thank you! Odd that the archive tops out at 4.08, it was maintained up to 4,77. (There was a 4.8 release, but it was a third party update, not Netscape's work.) It's too bad you could not find Netscape 6, as that is the version that really killed Netscape. They were becoming desperate, 5 simply wouldn't work, and 4 was becoming so outdated that it was close to unusable. they decided to release 6, based on Mozilla Suite 0.6. It shooed some promise, but was far from usable on an everyday basis. Even most of the old line Netscape users abandoned ship, either to IE, or to later versions of Mozilla, which, as it got to the 0.9 range was quite usable. Netscape did release a 6.2, which was far better. Netscape 7, based on Mozilla 1.0, was a very, very good release, but it was simply too late. Anyhow, I really enjoyed reliving all this. I'll close with my old sig file from the newsgroup forums:
Leonidas Jones
Netscape/Mozilla Champion
I remember trying out Netscape 6 at the time, seemed to have massive resource usage if I remember considering the spec of PCs at the time, was so unstable, slow and bloated. Never bothered with Netscape again after that!
Netscape was so bad at the end. I think I used 7 or 8 just on a lark. It was typical of AOL to ruin everything they touched. It's funny considering they made AIM so successful.
It was all for the best because Opera was so much better than any other browser out there... until they went to Chromium.
Most likely, the installer for those 32-bit versions of Netscape is still 16-bit. That was common back in the day--they didn't rewrite the installer code since it would still run on 32-bit Windows. The app would still be 32-bit, though.
he mentioned that but ok
Keep in mind that even though the application itself might be 32-bit, the INSTALLER might be 16-bit. (edit: I typed that before I got to the point in the video where Michael realized that).
Out of the many comments pointing this out before watching the whole video, you're the only one I've seen who's taken the time to acknowledge the prematurity of your observation. Props. 👍🍍
It's amazing to see these running.
These kinds of videos are my personal favorite!
Are you a guy or girl lol
It's interesting seeing how old software works on modern computers, Netscape would've been the most used or 2nd most used browser for a couple more years if Microsoft didn't ship Windows with Internet Explorer. Same for Apple and their Safari. Great video though my dude. 👌
9:50 Most likely the installer is 16 bit or has some 16 bit components while the actual program is 32 bit.
This was quite common in the late 90s and early 2000s.
Watch the whole video before commenting.
@@encycl07pedia- no
@@win_ini Your dog is smarter than you are.
I’ve been looking forward to this
Sooooo many memories watching this, Great content ✌️
Man,, I vividly remember downloading and using 2.02. I was a huge Netscape fan. I never minded being connected at like 9600kbps because I loved watching the animation lol
I just finished watching your Netscape navigator video on how the browser rose to become the defacto web browser, before internet explorer ruined it.
Now this video comes up all of a sudden. Wow!
Amazing! Throwback feelings ☺️
Thanks for the video! I just got interested in running it in W10 and this video just fit perfectly :D
Honestly I can’t wait for you to hit 100K lol
10:01 what most likely is going on there is that the installer was 16bit, I've had a issue before with the installer of I believe Fahrenheit or Max Payne maybe both where I had to download a patched installer to get the game installed from my cd, The program like the games are 32bit but the installer is 16bit. They used install shield wizard as well.
Stupid past developers not thinking about us, future 64 bit OS users
@@Vlad-1986 lol
I remember using Netscape when I was going to a vo-tech school in 1998. The Netscape browser was open on all of the computers.
Ah.. the nostalgia. Still remember back in the days when i install this and browse on it.
Exciting nostalgia. Thanks :)
10:27 I can see a cursor selection in the console window - maybe this has been blocking the process?
stanio yes indeed
Correct! I was about to make the same comment.
It was 'frozen' because text was being selected. That pauses the process. All he had to do was click once in the console window to continue.
Rolf I always press space because sometimes clicking just selects another letter/empty space
Awesome video, Michael!
Thanks!
I read this as “Awesome video, MrBeast!”
Very nice video, thank you Michael!
You're welcome!
@@MichaelMJD please draw a reimagining of NCSA Mosaic named "Mosaic Explorer" by June this year, and post it to community please.
funny that u uploaded this cause i tried netscape yesterday on my pc lol
Good job michael love your content
Great videos keep up the great work
This is so awesome michael
I knew this would eventually happen!
I love Netscape logo the one with stars and ship navigation wheel.
seamonkey still has the modern theme from netscape 7 included to this day! such a pretty theme
This was fun to watch.
The reason why you always get an HTTP error when using Mosaic is it only supports HTTP 0.9. Most servers will only work with HTTP1.x.
I like the retro look I might just might start using it as my browser
my condolences
Final version of Netscape for Windows:
4.04 Well played devs
Netscape Navigator 9 is still good for casual web browsing even at this very day and age of times of Windows 10.
no it isn't
When you are so early there are no funnny comments to steal -
ImTheBoyReal
lol
That buddy list looks pretty cool to me
it can work on pheonix servers if u click setup connections and edit connecion then server up aslong u have a account
I loved Netscape Navigator. There is a successor to Netscape, it's called Seamonkey. I was able to import my Netscape profile in Seamonkey years ago, also my emails, etc. But Seamonkey is slooooow, but supposedly has the same engine as firefox
I remember using Netscape like it was yesterday. But it was ~30 years ago... damn time flies. :(
wow... Respect.
I always liked the default theme of Netscapes UI.
For being a 90s web browser, it looks surprisingly good.
Idea: Netscape vs Internet Explorer
Or another idea
Windows 7 vs Windows 10
What would the battle be?
@@ronture8279 ACID3 test + HTML5 Test
Customisation of User interface
@@ilikemtrain With or without tweakers? ;-)
@@igorthelight without :) Showing the real design of each windows
Oh my god I remember this version of Netscape! I always thought it was a cool interface
I don't know if they still use the brand for this, but at one point I actually had Netscape dialup.
I used the 7.2 think at home on a dial up connection in 2002. I also remember it being used at school in some capacity.
I loved news groups on Netscape...
Billy Mays here with another fantastic product
If you have any interest in 3D stuff (I do, I've been obsessed since childhood), (some version of) Netscape 3 comes with a VRML 1 viewer, and (some version of) Netscape 4 comes with a VRML 2/VRML 97 viewer I believe. Netscape 3 also comes with the Netscape logo as a VRML 1 file.
I actually found navigator 9 easily and surprisingly it is still able to load quite a few things
Nostalgia.
Michael, the 2.02 Gold didn't work because it was an empty .exe file. I know because it was 0 KB
Just saw this video in my feed and saw something (that might have already been brought up):
Netscape version 2, the install file g32e202 has a file size of 0 KB. That suggests to me that the file never actually downloaded properly.
Cool to see you getting Netscape running on a Win10 machine though!
This was great, just like stepping back in time. I remember 3.0 very clearly.
I also remember playing around with the NCSA Mosaic in around '94 ?
Prior to 64-bit dropping 16-bit compatibility it was _recommended_ to make the setup for your 32-bit application run in 16-bit mode, so that it could, at least, run, identify your system was only 16-bit, and redirect you to a 16-bit version of the application.
Very annoying, once Windows drops support for 16-bit, and you can't install any of your 32-bit applications any more, because the setup for the 32-bit app is 16-bit, and while you can run the 32-bit app on your 64-bit OS, you can't run the 16-bit setup... Which was a _big_ part of the "hate" that Vista got, because they recommended Vista 64-bit on anything that could run 64-bit, and even though 32-bit software would run on it, it wouldn't install.
Yep - BUT, you can still get Win10 in 32-bit editions. I have a bunch of manufacturing systems that are currently running Win10 32-bit specifically because they still need some old 16-bit drivers and hardware (a stepper motor driver on an ISA card!), and that still works even today in 2021. The systems are special industrial motherboards with 3rd gen Core i7 CPUs and come with PCIe slots, legacy PCI slots, and legacy ISA slots.
IE: You have last words?
NN: Someday, someone will look for me and will find me... I hope you will also be long dead until then..
IE: Never... No.. Neverrr. I’m gonna live forever....
2020: Okay we have a pandemic now and let’s go back to basics...
NN: Wooohoooooo.... I’m aliveeee...
God
Ie still dead Drats how is he alive
time to install windows 9x kernel virus
Windows This file is not compatible
Windows ie NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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-Baby Joel
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daaaaaaamn I miss this look of the browser
"you can create webpages with this without knowing any html"
me: downloads netscape
The best thing about the Netscape Browser was the Composer. I still use it sometimes.
Now its time for the 1st web browser
There used to be a theme that made Seamonkey look just like Netscape but it's gone now. I love and still use Seamonkey because I Loved Netscape!
God damn good video again
WOW this is sick
Oh, the memories.
Wow this is great
U made my dream come true
Suggestion for a video - would you make a retrospective on Winamp and the old versions? :D
Winamp vs AIMP :-)
@@igorthelight Winamp vs AIMP vs XMMS! ;)
@@HorrorUberAlles Oh! Never knew about it!
But I used Audacious on Linux :-)
It really kicks the Llamas Ass
5:03 thank me later if you don’t want an exam of words in your face
Awesome!
If I "owned" the Netscape brand TODAY, I would use it to create a series of Theme Parks with Roller Coasters and Rides, using the Netscape logo and animations... cause you would actually use them to "Escape the Net" that is, to go outside and play, instead of being on your phone with Instagram, Facebook or TikTok.
It would be retro oriented and there would be a room filled with old PCs running Windows 98 and REAL NETSCAPE, but this would only be an installation on top of a ball pit for toddlers.
Remember, lots of early 32 bit software used a 16bit setup.exe installer!
I really like the idea of Netscape composer is there a modern day equivalent
Now I really want to optimize for Netscape, at last. You gotta update from time to time.
I did this exact thing last year in my web design class cause some of the example code my professor was showing had some lines specifically for Netscape.
21:34 Well it's only 0KB big, of course it's not gonna run
Explorer only shows file sizes larger than a KB. If it displays 0KB doesn't mean that it's empty.
@@JuvStudios I don´t think that Netscape 2 is less than 1 KB big while Netscape 1 and later Versions are well over a KB big. The file is empty or corrupted
This is what i signed up for!
You should have tried to browse a bit in the old versions. These browsers can often crash after viewing a page or two making them utterly unusable even for some obscure intranet application you might need them for.
The very first time I logged onto the net in 1997, it was with Netscape on a Mac.
Are you able to add a link to the Netscape 7.2 version you downloaded from Internet Archives?
It also would be nice if you tried 16-bit Netscape on 32-bit Windows 10, because then you'd get the real Windows VDM instead of the one created for Wine (or one that hacked the original to make it run on amd64).
You're willing to run an evaluation copy, so why not grab a free 32-bit version of Windows 10 without activating it? You are evaluating something--how well it can run 16-bit programs.
10:00 the installer is 16bit. The program itself is 32bit
Netscape Navigator; nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
I’ve got to try this when I get home...
good thing that site works on internet explorer 1.5
I'd love to change the Firefox browser skin into Netscape
The installers were often still 16-bit.
the installer bootstrapper was 16 bit so that it could display a sensible error message if you tried to run it on 16 bit windows. It would then launch the 32bit part