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Should I buy a 2016 cervelo s5 ultegra with zipp wheels or a bmc team machine 2019 with alto wheel's and can I compete with newer race bike on it - tnks
dudes i really need to know what sort of clamp on front mech would work with like a gear cable attached(like no wrap around bottom bracket). i would be using a gear like 52 40 or 38.
make an episode about internal cable routing DIY e, like i could put holes in the handle bar, hole in the steerer tube, hole in the seatpost, and hole in the seattube... hole in the chainstay lol
TVâs better but not good enough, Ollie. Sorry!
#askGCNTech can I really go all the way with Si's DW40 cure for my chain+casette or do I have to grow up to proper lube one day? Has SI grown-up?
THE TV IS STILL NOT LEVEL AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
yep, just a tad further, Ollie!
still not good...
AAAAAAAHHH đ±
At least it's a little better, I guess for the sake of marginal gains..
Need to get the Park Tool TV mount.
And here I was, just about to leave when Ollie reaches over and adjusts the tele. He sure knows how to hold an audience.
But they pushed it even further out of level first. Last week it wasn't that badly out of level!
"I want to look as 'pro' as possible" smash cut to Ollie riding with an old-timey steak stuffed in his gob. That's some class editing right there.
Hahahaha
It's when you commute by bike during winter that cleaning is really a problem. Cleaning whenever it is dirty means cleaning every day. And when you get home in the dark and you are already cold and soaked 'cos it was raining on the way home, the last thing you want to do is start cleaning your bike.
my issue exactly this last year, got a pressure washer to speed things up but still lack a hose to connect it to the outside tap...
I donÂŽt clean my bike after each ride - the whole bike, that is. I just make sure the important parts are clean and not getting worn by the grit: drivetrain, the braking surfaces and (if needed) the suspension fork stanchions. This doesnÂŽt take that much time (if done regularly) and the rest - frame, wheels... can do quite well with less regular cleaning. Moreover: fenders! On a dedicated commuter bike, it is wise to have fenders, and even if you donÂŽt have a special bike for commuting, you may install them on your "normal" bike just for the winter. With fenders, the bike often stays clean enough to pass for another day even if itÂŽs a bit wet outside. :)
Running full mudguards help and run I run Sora on my winter bike which is cheap to replace components and hard wearing
Drive then!
I removed the reflectors, but added some reflector stickers on my rims.
Exactly what I did.
Alternatively: reflective spoke clip-on "sticks" or tyres with reflective sides. Both better than "traditional" wheel reflectors.
3:39 When I bought my road bike, it came with reflectors on the wheels. Safety feature, I thought. Then when descending at rather high speed (60km/h+) something hit my rear rim and banged on my leg, I still have a scar there. Stopping the bike, looking at what could have gone wrong. Everything seemed to be working great, so off I went. After a while I realiesed, there was something missing from my rear wheel. Yep, the reflector got loose during that high speed descend and is propably somewhere in the orbit right now, judging by the scar it left on my left calf when it flown off. EDIT: Now, imagine if it was the front wheel and the reflector hit my chin, eye, neck... that wouldn't have been good at all, at 60km/h+. Needless to say, I removed the still present front wheel reflector right after I lost the rear one.
YES! the bulky reflectors affect the balance of the wheel. If you still want the safety benefits without the huge ugly spoke reflectors, put small bits of reflective tape on the rim (not on the braking surface)
Appreciate you sharing that story. I'll be taking my reflectors off now. I'd debated doing it before because my tires happen to have reflective material all the way around both sides of the sidewall already, which seems to make the spoke-mounted reflectors redundant.
â@@aaronboggs5799 I use white Kross gloves and high visibility yellow colour water bottle to keep myself visible from the side. I also use lights for front/rear visibility. See and be seen is the key to ride safely on the road. And you obviously do not want things flying of your bike while you're on it. :)
Same thing happened to me and my front wheel reflector got loose in a pot hole at high speed. It broke the fork.
Beginner move with the banana Ollie. Everyone knows you really ought to peel them from the bottom first!
that is actually the top :P
@@tychoMX Learn something new every day
Gorilla logic: you don't need to peel a banana because you know what's inside!
What about over-washing? That is, soap and water being pushed into nooks that wouldn't normally be soiled. Wheel bearings, bb, headsets, etc... Further, important grease and oils get broken down by soap, which ends up causing more damage than some dirt on the outside.
That's my view of it, washing is purely for cosmetic reasons. The only parts that need to be kept spotless is the inside of the bearings. Lots of water and degreaser increases the risk of degrading the bearing grease.
Exactly. That's why I prefer washing every two weeks instead of after every ride.
i always wash my bike with a bucket filled with soapy water and a rag, that way my bike is clean and the bearings aren't harmed as badly
Yeah I thought it was quite obvious this was what the person really meant by their question.
Tgere's no "overwashing" but there us "careless washing". Youcan asily ruin lines with clogged up soap.
@gcntech I took your advice on how to clean a bike in the bathroom. It's been several months now but it still scares my caregivers when they turn the corner and there's my pride and joy. Makes me laugh my head off every time, so thanks for the very good tip and the bonus laughs đđđ»đđđ»
I wipe my chain down after every ride with a dry cloth just to remove any grime/dirt that may have accumulated on it, and clean and lube it about once a week depending on how much I've ridden. As for washing the bike, it all depends on what it looks like. If I've been riding on wet roads, it'll get washed. If the roads have been dry and the bike still looks fine, I'll wait to wash it. It may get a quick wipe along with the chain (different cloth of course) just because I like to keep it looking good.
Thank you Ollie
4:57 - go for 11-25 and install a dork disc! @Jason Lendrum 2:39 has one for sale....
I clean it after every ride! Never get on a dirty bike. After I clean it, I also wipe the whole thing down with alcohol. That's how I roll...OCD!
Indeed. People often ask me how my bike is in such good condition and why it never needs repairing and why I got the same brake and Gear cables for the past 5 years and they still look brand new. It's because I clean it after every single ride
@@ToThePointCT Im guessing that includes degreasing and relubing your chain and gears? I did the same thing all summer. Then recently a couple people told me that shimano does not recommend degreasing and relubing after every ride. Itâs considered âovercleaningâ and causing âunnecessary wearâ which will potentially shorten the life of my components. Thatâs what brought me to this video. See if GCN had any thoughts on this. They didnât...at least not in this video. But, I appreciate knowing it has worked well for you. đđœ
How often should you oil / clean your chain when indoor riding
đđđ excellent question!
I need answers
Shouldn't need cleaning unless your house is very dusty. How often to re-lub will depend a lot on the type used and how fast its going to evaporate and or rub off. The important thing is to keep all the parts that make contact wet with lube.
Longest lasting would thick oil or grease but quite messy and not for outdoor use.
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Yes I need to know!
R.E: wheel reflectors - I use strips of matte finish retro reflective tape around my rims, barely notice it just looking at the bike in the day time. Snap on spoke reflectors are another subtle safety detail that means you can install them in seconds when you need them.
Its cool how you say "bearings" !
Thanks
On my first road bike I had 12-23 cassette. That was a standard at that time. I can't believe I was still able to climb steep hills. Well, maybe because I was much younger back then :)
I lived I. The flatlands. 12-21 was pretty standard. Iâd switch to 12-23 for the hills đ. One time I raced in mountains and opted for a 12-25đź
When driving in dirt or rain I wash my bike with: rain water from the barrel in our garden and a brush for carwash. Leaves no drying spots. After 4 or 5 times it gets a thorough clean with lukewarm water and soap. When it is dry again I treat my bike completely with an old cloth and polishing oil. It's so clean and shining afterwards! Love it.
Excellent
This is awesome Works great is it a store easy to clean
Hi #AskGCNTech
Wondering whether there's any diference ( acuracy / performance ) if I calibrate my Kickr Core thought Zwift or Garmin Edge instead of doing it with the oficcial Wahoo app? Thanks!
I would say that removeing the dork disc is a must actualy , it colects a lot of dust betwen the cassete and itself and is realy hard to clean that space with a dork disc making the cassete and chain to wear out a bit quicker
I need your experts advice. I've ridden nothing but tubular wheels because the handling is amazing and I feel lot more confident at high speed than a clincher tires after all the pinch flats I run into that's why I switched to tubular. .so I notice lot these wheels there selling on the market now are tubeless. I'm little skeptical buying clincher /tubeless. Do tubeless really out perform tubular? If there so great how come the professional cyclists don't use tubeless? What the advantage and disadvantages. Thanks
As needed !
Sir how much is the new aero bike like canyon disbreak then the set up is all camgnolo speacially the hub campagnolo shamal ultra. And for u sir what is the best hub in campagnolo c17 or the other like bora one.
I took the Dork Disk off my bike and rode it for many years being proud of my decision until the day a shift went bad and I bent every spoke on the drive side. I bought a full set of drive side spokes and a new Dork Disk. I was very proud that I rebuilt the wheel myself and proud of my decision to replace my Dork Disk. Either way is ok with me but I'll leave mine on.
Ollie's face and hand movements at 1:02 đ "Maybe use your mouth a bit and your hand"
How do u clean your bike without harming anything and Can u make a list of what the best fixie frames ate
#AskGCNTech: When Iâm washing a bike with disc brakes, how do I avoid contaminating the brake pads? Or does it not matter if I get dirty, soapy water on them?
Don't get any like oil things on it. Degreaser or something like that is O.K. So do not use petrol, lube, WD-40 and so on. Hope that helped.
I just finished work for the day and was about to go downstairs (WFH) to clean my bike. Are you guys suggesting I don't have to do it anymore????
Good show!
#AskGCNTech hey there! I've recently got a pair of Fizik R3 Tempo Overcurve shoes, got the placement right where I wanted and tightened the cleats to the specified 5-6 Nm. The problem is that when I got out of the saddle I felt movement, and when I checked, the cleats had moved all the way to the front. Any idea of what's wrong or how to solve it?
Greetings from Asturias!
#AskGCNTech My saddle gets loose after riding a few miles, especially on bumpy roads, even if I tight them to my fullest potential. Is there any way I can prevent it? (Not the saddle height adjustment screw but the saddle position tilt forward backward screw). Thank you.
#AskGCNTech Hi GCN, How should you clean your chain/drive train efficiently? Should I use a tool like the muc off chain cleaner or should I remove my chain completely for a deeper clean? Thanks!
#AskGCNTech Are there any cold weather tech considerations for the bike (not the rider)? I find my bike disagrees with sub freezing temps. Specifically, the rear shifter gets finicky and doesnât like to catch. Also, the free-hub makes an odd noise both only below freezing. Thanks!
#AskGCNTech Why does my bike make a loud clunk when changing to a smaller sprocket (harder gear).
I don't use a dork disc but I did regret it once. Rear derailleur hanger was misaligned and I forgot to straighten it. I dropped the chain into the spokes at speed. Broke a spoke on expensive wheels and had to walk home.
If you want reflectors on your wheels, there are adhesive strips that serve the same purpose. I have black ones that are nearly invisible in daylight on my aero Reynolds carbon rims, but become really well visible in white at night when you point a light at them. Also available in red and other colours.
What brand pls?
@@simonderoo9189 no brand name I know... I just searched for reflective bicycle stickers on Amazon.
I have a Wahoo Kickr 2017 model, and would like to mount my bike which has a SRAM etap AXS groupset on it. However, according to the Wahoo website the XDR/XD Freehub body necessary to accommodate the etap AXS groupset that they sell is only compatible with the Kickr 2018 version. Am I out of luck, or are there third party options I can buy? #AskGCNTech
I waxed my bike frame .it. Dirt comes off easy with a spray nozzle.then a quik soap. Dry off the bike air compressor. Lube chain. Then ready to roll. Usually less then 30. Looks brand new đșđș
#askgcntech I swapped to tubeless this year , and after some massive issues with my wtb tires failing inside out, I've now moved on to Hutchinson Fusion 5s and have had multiple punctures since that the sealant wouldnt fix. Am I just unlucky or is there something I could be doing wrong ? I've been using 50ml of mucoff sealant, and running at 80psi. Have a lezyne tubeless fix kit which works temporarily but only at low pressure if I go back to 80 psi it blows out. I ride lanes around Oxfordshire with my friend and his standard clinchers havent had issues... Am I just unlucky?
#askgcntech Hi, Ollie, Alex, It's about time for a new chain for my 11-speed drivetrain. I've got Shimano 105 cranks and derailleurs but I'm using a Campagnolo Potenza-11 cassette (long story). Is it more important for the chain to match the chainrings or the cassette? Right now I'm using a Shimano-11 chain, but it didn't last nearly as long as the one on my other 100% Campy bike. I really like the Campy chains, will they work on my hybrid drivetrain?
Thanks,
Kurt
If my bike is looking grubby I'll give it a quick clean once a week. But generally I do a thorough clean, tyre pressure and brake check once every month. And do a full clear of the bike once every 6 months.
Had a spoke reflector come loose mid-ride and started smacking against the seatstay on every spin. Took awhile to figure out that the new suddenly awful noise wasn't coming from the rider ahead of me.
I got spoke reflectors too. They are great.
Cruising Like a Spokey Dokey..
My bike came with a dork disc in the accessories box, not fitted. Which I thought was brilliant. Maybe thatâs a way they can get around it
#AskGCNTech Hello! I'm currently using an entry-level geared MTB here in India, having a 7-speed Shimano freewheel with Shimano RD-TY500-SGS rear Derailleur ( compatible with the existing 7-speed setup) and Shimano ST-EF500-7R2A 7 speed Shift/brake lever. I've been using it for about 5-6 years now and was wondering whether it's possible to convert the existing freewheel setup to a cassette-based setup? If so, what are the parts that I'll have to change aside from the freewheel? Also, what are the advantages/disadvantages between the two i.e. cassette and freewheel? and which is better in general?
Hi, all. Like most of the northern countries we have winter with freezing temperatures. How to clean the bike in these months without a indoor option?
I do especially if it's a rainy ride.
#AskGCNtech I want to convert my 1990's mountain bike to a road/gravel bike and don't know what I need to change in order to do so. It has a square taper threaded style bottom bracket, can I change this to suit a 105 chainset?? Would i have to change the cassette and rear mech to 105??? Is this even possible??? Also what would be the best brakes to go for?? It currently has v brakes. Many thanks. Loving your work!!
#AskGCNTech : What factors have influence on the chain I need to get? Like cassette / 1by 2by 3by / manufacturers / model / ... Are chains sorted to the model of the drivetrain like Dura ace / ultegra / 105....? What oil / materials should be used in different scenarios? how to properly clean without wasting to much time? When is my chain worn out? How to maintain the chain? Aluminium or steel chains?
And a lot of more questions like... What oil should I use on my belt drive ... Or how should I use my chain riveting tool on the belt drive ;P
#ASKGCNTECH Hi Ollie,
IÂŽm thinking to get myself a gravel bike for steep, accidented paths and roads. Since I donÂŽt want to give up cycling on tarmac, is it a heresy to buy a separated set of road wheels and change the wheels anytime I head out on the road? What shall I consider in regard to the group set (cassette, gear regulation, etc?
Thanks a million, and greetings from Italy
#AskGCNTech
Hi
i have a praxis works thread together BB and want to fit my shimano power metre crankset on it but the spindle on my shimano cranks spindle is a smaller diameter. is there a shimano thread together or any way to have a BB compatible to my frame to fit the cranks
thanks mate
#AskGCNTech -- Hi guys, I have an ultegra 11 Spd (R8000) mechanical groupset which I want to upgrade to electronic shifting sometime in the future. Can a SHIMANO drivetrain and disc brakes work with SRAM ETAP rear/front derailleur and shifters as it seems more cleaner to upgrade to ETAP rather than getting to different wiring issues with DI2
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Hi GCN , I would like to know which part of the bike that i could change to make the bike feel like the right size for me if i have the wrong size bike. I would like to upgrade the size but i dont have enough money. Thank you
I live in a part of the world with harsh winters so my bike will be stored away for the winter. Any tips for protecting my bike (while in the shed) from -10c? #AskGCNTech
I wash my bike every couple of weeks, but in winter I hose it of if the roads where wet or my bike is very dirty after a ride, seeing as i dont always have time to fully wash my bike
I think in the winter even if the bike looks clean its best to just rinse the bike over to get rid of the salt after every ride. But in the summer if the rest of the bike is clean, I give it a proper clean once the drive train needs it
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Hi GCN, is straightening bent derailleur hanger can damage carbon frames?
Only remove the dork disc if you know how to adjust the RD limit screw and keep it so
Over shifting into the spokes is bad
#AskGCNTech: I've got an old mountain bike with grip-shifters that I'm looking to convert to a gravel bike by adding drop bars and integrated shifters. The one issue is that the bike has V-brakes, which apparently won't work with the short-pull integrated levers. Should I switch the brakes to cantilevers, or is the V-brake system sufficiently advantageous enough to merit tracking down a lever-pull adapter to keep the V-brakes?
I do use mini V brakes on two conversions. They work with brake shift levers. And they are cheap to get.
Wheel need to be trued for this. A light figure 8 will quickly result in rubbing. Also needs a (inline) cable adjuster.
Hi Ollie and Alex! How often are pros tires changed on the tour? Thank you. #askGCNTech
#askgcntech Iâm assuming gravel bikes are used in cyclocross but whatâs the stop someone from putting wider tires on a road bike and treating it as a gravel bike? Arenât the frames basically the same?
In California it is required by law the have all the reflectors ( front and rear wheels, pedals, front facing white, rear facing red) even during the daytime.
Bike cleaning. Reporting from sunny Australia. Once a year.....whether it needs it or not.
#AskGCNTech if my tire is not completely worn (it is getting closer to worn, after around 5000km), but on the sidewall there are little threads of the case (very minor, but still) should I buy some new ones?
Hi GCN! Can I use Grx rx400 10 speed shifters (11-34t) with Grx rx812 11 speed derauiller (11-42t) to accomodate a wider spread of gear ratios? #AskGCNTech
I literally was thinking about the tv right before that comment was read lol
TV mounting is for sure a Bodge. Any plans to fix it?
On my first MTB I of course took off the dork disc the very next ride I dumped the chain off the top cog and broke 3 spokes.........so yeah
I did just what Fabricio is asking about (and 6700 has been around for over ten years) and it was a brilliant move. I saved quite a bit of money going with 105 and the performance is flawless. Very happy transformation.
#AskGCNTech Hi guys. I use tubeless tires and top up my sealant every 3 to 4 months. My question is how often should I remove the tire from the rim and clean the old, dried up, sealant out? Thanks!
Good queation. I have topped up mine once after 4 months. I ppan to do that another time before doing as you've said. It can't be good for rolling resistance.
From what I've researched though, when yiu do it you only remove surface scabs. You keeo whatever dried in the tire to help keep the seal.
#AskGCNTech hi gcn, when you are lubing your bikes chain i use wet lube as i live in a muddy and wet area however the lube makes my chain look really dirty and i can kind of feel the dirtiness of my chain effecting the performance of my bike. when you are using dry lube does this help with this or am i just talking complete jiberish. thankyou bye
Would you choose disc brakes or ultegra r8000 (instead of 105 r7020),if you need to decide between them, because your budget allows only one âupgradeâ? ( Same bike with two different setups). #askgcntech
#AskGCNTech what was being used to spray the muc off onto the bike?
@GCNtech
If you prefer a purist, obtrusive look but want to stay on the safe side,
there are several companies who produce stickers in in lots of different colours that match your frame by day , but which reflect in darkness. Yes, they add some grams to your bike and maybe they reflect not as good as proper "cat eyes", but you can put them anywhere on your frame. E.g. reflective.berlin/ sell many different decals, stripes, stickers, rim patterns, mosaic patterns for a kind of custom concept decal all over the bike and and
SPOKE stickers that wrap around the spokes and are available in in black, flame fade or rainbow. Creates some cool effects in the darkness and you are less likely to be overlooked.
#AskGCNTech if your bike is carbon fibre how often should you clean it and what is the best cleaning solution to clean it with
... I put my good/expensive Trek Domane 5.2 away in the winter/bad weather and ride my Trek 8.4 DS ... and I tend to ride gravel trails or paved trails (Rail-to-Trails), no road salt!!! I ride alot in South NJ and Delmarva ... lots of sand and salt ... there I gently "hand wash" the bike using a garden hose nozzle/sprinkler, after those rides ... NO POWER WASHERS!!!
#AskGCNTech Hi Ollie and Alex! I have a second hand 105 5700 10sp groupset but not including the brifters. I am desperate to look for 5700 10sp brifters in my country, since its hard to get. What do you guys think I switched the brifters to, is another 10sp brifters from Shimano like 4700 works? Or should I just buy any cheap Chinese brand from Aliexpress that has 2x10sp capability? Thanks.
Shifting isn't easily Chinese copied. Sensah aren't supposed to be bad though. They even have 12 speed for much cheaper than 105.
why's the dork disc redundant?
The Title question starts @ 8:28 youâre welcome..
#AskGCNTech : During the off season (in winter), do you recommend a larger cassette or a smaller one?
#AskGCNTech Looking at getting a new set of handlebars (changing from 44cm to 40cm width), toying with some carbon ones, is carbon worth the extra cost over the same aluminium ones & any pros/cons of the two? Thanks!
To add on to that. I am also looking at the same thing, my frame runs external cables, do I need to find external specific bars or not? Any brand recommendations?
I had carbon bars until they cracked on me prematurely. But I'm a tall, heavy guy, so if you're smaller then they're probably pretty good.
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Hi Ollie and Alex, i have a bike with hydraulic disk brake should i wash my bike frequently cause i have heard many said that more wash means more chance for your ball bearings to get water in
#AskGCNTech Do i have to clean my chain every time I want to lubricate it? And for a rainy season, would you recommend wet or dry lube? TIA!
#ASKGCNTECH hi gcn is it ok to have a STT shifters and eveything is shimano components only the shifters should I replace my STT shifters for a sora r3000 as well because all of my components are sora only the shifters aren't shimano thanks GCN..
#askGCNtech : Why do aero / deep section wheels make that cool noise when you ride along a wall?
Hi Ollie, I'm considering upgrading my crankset, currently ultegra 6700, to a Rotor ALDHU. Is it a simple swap, or do I need to change more parts, like bottom bracket, derailleur etc.. Or is it even worth the trouble? Would love to hear your advice! #AskGCNTech
You probably did this already, but Rotor Aldhu all the way! Coukdn't answer your question other than to say that the spindle needs to be designed for use with your bb. Rotor Aldhu come with every single spindle combination to match. You ned to know if your bb is screwfit or pressfit.
Pressfit bb won't easily work with a screwfit designed crankset. In some cases adaptors can be used but fir say GXP and OF30, there is no solution.
How many miles can we cycle by lubing the chain once? Thank you.
150-200 miles using a dry lube such as Muc Off ceramic C3.
IlWet lube lasts less time because of accumulated gunk. Dry lube gets washed off n wet conditions.
With regards to reflectors you can get some very cool reflective stickers that go your trims. Weigh nothing, look good and keep you safe. Company RELECTR
Is It An Upgrade if i Change my 10 speed Deore groupset into an 13 speed Sride that has No Clutch ???????Âż??????????
When the TV was crooked I couldn't hear a word you said until it was fixed
For bananas, before packing in your pocket or pouch use a knife to cut a slit at the base of the stem. Then, when you need to peel it, it's got a starting point that makes pulling the stem with your teeth much easier.
Well I haven't cleaned my bike in the couple of years since I bought it, but it did cost about 430 euro's. And I just think of it as more disposable.
#AskGCNTech I was thinking about tackling a century on a single speed. I have ridden multiple century rides on my road bike. Is this something I should attempt and if so any advice?
Depends on yourproficiency, strength and the terrain you will ride on.
#AskGCNTech I am using SMOOVE wax chain lube. Compared to traditional oil, how often should I wash my chain and reapply the wax? Some people say that it will last for about 800 km. Thanks a lot!
I never got that kind of life out of squirt, but I hear smoove is better. I reapplied after a heavy wash or when it gets noisy.
In Sweden you need reflectors by law. Sure, you can remove them as long as you put on some other reflectors.
#askgcntech Can the SRAM Red AXS power meter crankset be used with a dura ace 9100 drivetrain? Thanks đ
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I washed my bike yesterday and now my brake doesn't work perfectly
Any tip and trick?
Disc brake cleaner (if you have disks?), Or 100% Acetone also works fine