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Adam, for what Harley charges we should not have to re engineer the whole damn suspension! After all, we are talking about Harleyâs top of the line touring bike! Indian got it right, right out of the box! Mono shock long travel Fox shock, LED lighting, remote locking bags, riding modes, better balanced frame with low slung seating position, power windshield... and now a new 122 Horsepower liquid cooled motor ALL STANDARD! You just canât ignore Indian these days! If Harley isnât looking out for me, why should I look out for them? I am going with a brand that has it all figured out and engineered IN...That is Indian at this time. Maybe Harley should be paying more attention to improving their touring line instead of pushing a politically correct $33,000 ( taxes and fees) electric motor scooter! Sorry Adam, no sale on the Harley until they catch up with Indian! Ahhhh competition in America! I love it!
Boy I totally agree $35,000 you should not have to do anyting my only problem Indian no dealer Network they could fold in a year
jim wortham Jim, it is obvious Indian/Polaris is in the motorcycle business for long term and not going anywhere. Look at the advanced tech they are investing in and they are very diverse producing all kinds of motor sport products.
I think you should visit a Polaris store and walk through their product lines...they are well spread out in the motor sport world and have a very committed racing program and completely dominate the flat track circuit taking 1,2,3,4,5,6 place! No one is touching them! And now a liquid cooled 122 horsepower touring bike, Indian is not sitting on their hands and is steadily grabbing market share, and that is freaking Harley Davidson out! These days, people want value and innovation combined with a rumbling classic motorcycle design which includes a powerful fire breathing internal combustion engine! Not a electric motor scooter which reminds many people of a $33,000 wheelchair!
They have almost 200 dealers. Could they use a few more? Absolutely! But they donât need the level of over saturation HD has. Does Chicago land area really need 30+ HD dealers? 4 Indian dealers in that same area is fine. Check out the video by Gears and Gadgets on this topic and youâll see that there are plenty of Indian dealers and the brand is getting stronger.
Adam is right on. Suspension is important ! Adam carries a lot of extra weight on long road trips. Not like some of us ! In the old days we say â T T-en â ( Tavern To Tavern ) not going to far !!! I ride a 1997 Roadking ...21â stock air on front. Rear I made brackets for 10â coil overs, welded on and move forward 4â on the swing arm . Moved 5â on top forward, made new fender struts for old style â Hinge Fender â . 1970âs look. Stiffer swing arm bushings. Rico from Arizona âRide Tight, Be Safe â đđ”đŽđșđžđșđž
Carlrico parrish very coolđđœ
As some other posters said, it is shameful that we have to do these expensive upgrades to a already way overpriced vehicle. 2020 and we still have to put LED lighting into the directionals ourselves. SMH. I am HD thru and thru, but it is getting ridiculous how they neglect the important stuff and instead charge the hell out of you to have parts that were once chrome, painted black instead. Sad. Good info on the suspension stuff tho Adam. Thanks
The Indian challenger will be a game changer
Very well put, Wayne Siminski
@@snackpack7001 yes sir
So will the Goldwing and the BMW but I would not by any of them. I love my Harley-Davidsons plural, and all of the choices that are available. Compation makes America great.
@@jbwildhogs102966 I have 4 bikes 3 HD and a BMW
I don't care what brand you have .. Adding some bright LED brake lights on the back .. I put Ardmore on my was not cheap $200.00 but cars can see it pretty well ..
Mike Skidmore I agree!
@@adamsandoval Here it is mount on your License Plate bracket
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I solved my suspension problem. I painted 250 pound limit for passenger đđđ
Seems abit high
@@Transphoenixbiker BY 100 pounds
Thanks for all you do Adam. Good advice isn't cheap. I know you went through a lot to learn what you just shared in 10 minutes or less, heck yeah I appreciate it.
ASR staying true to the mission of helping Veterans and enhancing the motorcycling lifestyle. Keep rockân it brother.
Suspension is everything along with frame alignment and frame strength the ability to work all together is a thing of beauty and a rider's dream.Godspeed to you in your endeavors out in the world and on the road!
Your spot on! I too upgraded my 2019 streetglide. All led lights, air ride , new color match seat, color match inner fairing, speaker lid on saddle bags. Razor tour pack with speakers and chromed out accents to bike. Ride from AZ to Ny every year. Great riding machine. Ride on my friend. 49 yrs pounding pavement.
Dont know why many ppl are complaining. I have a stock suspension on my 09' StreetGlide (sits 1" lower than other touring Harleys). I came from a lowered Deuce and this glide is a dream stock (Ive had broken my tailbone in 2013). Im not spoiled but im happy. Thanks again Adam for another great video.
I have a 2013 Ultra Limited. I installed a set of Pro Action coil over rear shocks this summer. It was the biggest improvement I ever made to the bike. I plan on installing a front end kit next summer by Pro Action. There world headquarters is 15 miles from were I live in Beaver Falls Pa.
Adam, thanks for your videos on Legend shocks.I started dreaming about them after seeing your videos. I was finally able to add the Legend Revo Arcs on my 2014 Ultra Limited. I was just starting to get them dialed in for my 700mile trip out to join you in the Harley Parade. The morning I left to head to Texas for the Harley Parade, a young kid decided I wasnât supposed to make it there and pulled out in front of me just 30 miles from my house. Now Iâm working to get my broken wrist back into working order (read *riding capable*). I feel your pain on surgery recovery. Iâm so happy yâall didnât come one short in making the Guinness record with the Harley Parade! Keep the videos coming brother!
Gary Hill so sorry to hear this man
Coming from the sport bike world, the first upgrade for my 2015 FLTRXS was suspension. At $20k, I would have thought the suspension would have been improved over the years. I threw on Revo-A outback and AXEO upfront. While rebuilding, I also replaced my seals. Oh man! What an upgrade! No frontend dive, and long lasting comfort in the rear! Iâve got 68k miles on the bike now. Legends are the way to go!
Adam you have done so much for so many. Canât take that away from ya. You should be proud. As a vet I appreciate you for all that hard work. You have your benefactors, and have to support them. That being said product and benefactor promotional videos have become the fairly routine. Indian, Legends, Ciro3d etc. Miss the old days! Keep up the good work my friend you are truly a benefactor to vets and first responders. Be blessed.
Thank you for everything you've sacrificed to ensure freedom for us all đșđž one thing I can say is that I truly believe in the products put out by my sponsors and I definitely turn down more sponsorships than I accept
Canât agree on the frame. Itâs the most rigid frame Harley has ever built. However the rear suspension is sub par. Pretty sad when you buy a motorcycle that is between 20-30k and have to buy a set of shocks that are another thousand dollars. There are great options out there ie. Legend, Russ Wernimont, etc. snowmobiles have had this tech for years.
Mike Danaher best they made it not that metal still has way to much flex for me.
I put Revo As and Legend front springs on my Road King 2 years ago. The ride is better, but can still be stiff. The front is a huge improvement - no dive and no clunky sound. Combining these with Metzeler tires gave me the best handling and great for my multi-day trips.
I upgraded my 2012 Ultra Limited rear suspension with a set of Super Shoxs and I noticed a huge improvement in the rideability of the bike on the very first ride. Everybody gets a bike and wants to change the air cleaner, pipes, mufflers, and other items, I would absolutely advise against all of that until the suspension is upgraded. Best money I've spent thus far on my bike.
These guys are great
Last year I put Legends suspension on my 2011 Ultra Limited. That has been the best upgrade Iâve done, it rides so much better now.
Literally just stumbled upon this video. I have had many new bikes through the years and vowed I would never ever go back to Harley. Well, I got a great deal at the end of Dec 2019 on a new used 2016 Ultra Limited with 15 miles on it and brought it home. As soon as I got the bike, the modifications began and all the bad memories of my first Harley came back. I typically modify my bikes for safety reasons and comfort - thats about it. This is what I have replaced so far: 1) front turn signals to LEDs, 2) Seat and rider backrest, 3) tail light to LED and fillers to LED, 4) Stereo, 5) rear shocks, 6) Handle bars and grips and thats about it. Having to upgrade brought back all the bad memories of my first Harley because of the ridiculous costs of everything and sub par parts on the bikes. I am SOOOO glad I bought the bike used and not from a dealership because the bike was literally half price from a new 2020. Of all the bikes I have owned, only the Harleys needed this much upgrading. Forget any engine work or chrome, I literally had to replace parts for comfort and safety. Even my 2008 Goldwing I bought new didn't need half the stuff my Harley needed. The Goldwing was far from perfect, but it put out adequate power, had reverse, electronic suspension, etc... This is a main reason why Harley is slowly dying. I think the new Livewire is a perfect example of whats wrong with Harley. They are late to the game with technology, expensive and thinks everyone is going to buy into their branding. I guarantee that millennial's dont care about the Harley name and wont be spending $31k+ on an electric bike. Very sad.....
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@@adamsandoval Whats your opinion on the rear shocks? I went with Legends but seriously considered Progressive 944s?
Amen Brother!! I put Legend revo a's in the rear, and Legend Axeo's on the front suspension of my 2018 Road King. What a difference! Worth every penny!!
Great video. I like that you discuss handling, your experiences that have led you to were you are etc. Some folks spend top dollar on a bike polish it daily and ride it once in awhile. It is refreshing to see this video, some dust and dirt and quality parts. I have never purchased a single vehicle truck, car or bike that didnât need upgrades. Thanks for the info and keep it going.đ
I installed Legend Revo-Aâs on my bike, Big difference approved ride improved handling you can ride the bike a long distance is a not be aching or sore. The shocks are adjustable for dampening and preload and come with a lifetime warranty. I am very happy with them.
To me, they make all the difference . I'm glad you're enjoying them so much đ
Almost lost it on a 13 SG in a high speed corner with a wobble. Traded it in for a 15 SGS and hit that same corner again at the same speed. Night and day difference. I have since added the Revo-Aâs and Iâm very happy with the improvement. Over the winter I plan on installing Legends cartridges in the front. Personally, I canât justify making the jump to the M8 as I pretty much have mine where I want it and with my mods I can pretty much keep up.
( New Rider, since 2017) Thanks! I'm a big guy, so Bottoming out is a Regular occurrence - I'll check this out!!
I just bought my first Harley, a 2002 Dyna Wide Glide and can say the Dyna Death Wobbles are a real thing, apparently you can't fully get rid of them but I'm going to do a suspension upgrade as soon as I can! Gotta save up that cash first.
I went Progressive 970 in the rear of my bike, and GSXR-750 forks up front. Fantastic improvements!
However, you forgot to mention the intake and exhaust upgrades that should really be done on these HDs. Harley has to lean out the bikes to get them to pass EPA regulations, and by doing an intake,exhaust and retune, you'll increase your horsepower AND longevity
Agree that rear suspension is the most important upgrade. Shouldn't have to be, but it is.
I sure don't get why anyone would custom build a hard tale but the Chopper guys still like them Obviously more simple
This why I bought an Indian Chieftain. Iâve always been a fan of the HD SGS, but when I test rode them both, to me there was no comparison. I live in the hills of Arkansas and the Indian feels so much lighter on her feet than the HD. Itâs great that there are two companies that will push each other, giving us the customer better products to enjoy. Iâm sure HD will be addressing this shortly, but they might be going back to the drawing board next week after Indian officially reveals the Challenger!! Exciting times for us riders. Lots of great bikes to choose from. At the end of the day, different bikes resonate with people for a variety of reasons. Go pick what speaks, and feels right to you, and enjoy the ride.
the no longer called Chiefstain, or even less called an Indian in this world of snowflakes. You now own an American Native American Chief's had the squirts Motorcycle.
I've had my 98 FLHP for 22 years. I got rid of the stock shocks long ago. Went with progressive shocks and springs. Eventually added a brace to stiffen the transmission to frame which eliminated twist when cornering. You'd think a touring bike would come with great suspension from the factory but they don't.
Thatâs the truth
Hey Adam just want to tell ya just last week I changed both front and back shocks with legend and on the back I put the revo arc and what a difference right from the get go. I have to say 90% of the bumps I had with the other shocks ARE GONE. and I haven`t even played with any adjustment yet. Legend has their finger on a great shock and I`m sold and this video tells me I made the right choice. Ride safe Brother... BS
I know thats right!
Dude, you have explained the A & ARC so much better than the guy at Legend's CZcams.... Sold. Just ordered my ARCs
The new ones don't weave and wobble. Think they fixed that circa 2009.
As to shocks, they do two things.
1. The spring stores and releases energy.
2. The dampers dissipate energy.
The idea is to have enough spring and compression damping to keep you from bottoming out and enough rebound damping to rid the shock of energy so it isn't bouncing around at the top of the stroke. Too much and the shock packs and the tire won't stay on the ground.
Cool , Thanks for the info, don't own a Harley , have ridden since the early eighty,s more like late seventies. Borrowed a 07 Electra Glide Ultra and rode it a thousand miles to Paris for the parade, had a great ride through rain and strong winds. The one thing about that bike i noticed was the suspension , it bottomed out alot . Other than that the bike did great and we really had a great time . Just one of 3497 !
Japanese and European bikes have had remote reservoirs since like 1980 ... So Adam rode from Harley Dealer to Harley dealer but did not say how many repairs ne needed above and beyond welds and brackets ect .. quite a few new tires..
Good stuff. Iâve never noticed any issues with the frame, mounting, effecting performance. No doubt for those of us taking 500, 600+ mile a day road trips, I certainly enjoy upgraded suspension. I just donât like the mounting of those bottles on the back above my bags; Iâd prefer them out of sight. Aside from that, just give me a Stage IV Kit, V&H true duals and go ride my a** off.
Factory stock Harley shocks are adequate for around town and bar hopping but if your are laying down miles, upgrade that suspension! Best investment you can make. Street and Road Glides come with a shorter shock to give it that lowered look but it comes with a price in comfort and handling. I switched out my factory rear shocks last month for 13" Legend Revo A and did a 800 mile trip in the Ozarks. My review can be found on the Revzilla website for Legend Revo A shocks. I highly recommend them, it made a world of difference.
Thank you for helping veterans.
I have a 2012 Street Glide. I rode to Utah and back this past summer with decent load and did not experience any of the wobble you mentioned. I did adjust the stock shocks for the ride and had no problem riding through the Rockies and craving the curves in the national parks I visited. My load was a lot lighter than yours my ride pulled the load. I guess my point is that the stock shocks worked fine with the proper adjustment. Ride safe. Frosty sends.
I agree I went with the progressive 944 and along with that installing the fork monotone really brought balance and one smooth ride. Ride happy my friends đșđžđŸđ»
I did replace the factory suspension on my 2011 ultra limited. The price did factor in to what I put on though, I went with progressive mono tubes in the front and heavy duty adjustable progressives in the rear. I must say the mono tubes in the front made the biggest change as to the handling. Felt like the front was more planted to the road, is how I would describe it.
With my â89 Electra Glide Sport, I was highly satisfied the stiffness of the frame.
At very high speed on off motorway, but very good roads (some 80mph, which is above 60 mph - the legal limitation) it was sort of wobbly on the front end. I added wind deflectors parallel to the fork rods and this significantly improved the stability.
Later I swapped from Dunlop K291, which caused me to crash to Metzelers.
It was like a totally new bike.
As years passed by Iâm less aggressive on the road and have no wish to modify my 2011 Ultra Limited with regards to tyres or suspension.
I added a passenger handrail for better moving the bike into my garage.
Iâve seen a cool add on for the tranny, I could imagine to build in.
910 ibs is a lot more, than 715 ibs on my first dresser.
First thing I did on my new 2019 Road Glide Special, Legends Revo rear shocks and AXEO front forks. I do agree with the comments about having to upgrade should we really have to do that on a 27K motorcycle? I donât think we should but if you want a decent ground hugging ride you have too it would be nice if Harley would listen and start adding some quality suspension.
HD is not alone on this issue. Gold Wings since 2001 also frequently have their suspensions upgraded by Traxxion Dynamics.
I have the same bike. How much of an improvement did you see with the new suspension? Did you go with the 13inch shocks or stay with the 12âs?
I'll say it again. So long as customers buy crap, H-D will sell crap.
bobberguy1 well then what does that say about you? One who knowingly buys crap repeatedly seems to be a sucker.
@@jimbeam4111 I stayed with 12" revo shocks I did not go to the Revo A. I am on the short side 5'7" so I didn't want to go higher. It was a notable improvement over stock. The rear made a much bigger difference than front, there was an improvement with the AXEO but not as much as I expected but still better than stock. It is more stable in turns for sure.
2010 Street Glide. I use a True-Trak stabilizing plate on motor, heavier fork oil, and Progressive adjustable gas rear suspension. No worries in the curves, no worries in the speed.
Hi Adam I 'am a RCN Royal Canadian Navy ( Armed Forces) I sat down and watching motorcycle You Tube Videos, I bought a 2005 Electra Glide Classic EFI and every year I take it in to get things done that I cannot do, so this year I had the front brakes done completely, The other thing I had them do was the front forks, since people forget to get them look after, people forget about the maintenance program that Harley Davidson has put together. The year I bought the bike I started to hear a noise that was new to me and I took it into Barnes Harley Davidson in Victoria Victoria in BC Canada, this is the title Harley Davidson Twin Cam Chain Tensioner Problem 1999-2006. This work that was done should have been a recall since Harley new about it and idi not do the right thing and fix it they must have sold 16 years of selling that style of motorcycle That cost me just under $4,000. I did some research before I had bought my bike. kept up the great live you live
thanks for tuning in đ one thing I've learned in maintenance is often times cheaper, and much more convenient than unexpected repairs.
Other premium companies offer electronic suspension. You push a button for how many people, how many bags, then sport, cruising , etc. I have electric suspension on my super duke GT sport tourer. It is so smooth and relaxing. No bumps!!! My Super Duke GT is half the cost of a Harley and it has traction control and cornering ABS which are important with a lot of weight. It it calculating hundreds of times a second, rebound and compression for the best ride.
I'm 41 and spent 15yrs commercial long linning out of Alaska and suspension is a HUGE deal for me
I also do allot of Kms in a couple of different countries (Australia and Thailand). In Australia I ride a 2018 CVO Ultra. At 40,000km the CVO strated to get a wobble on cornering, more so on high speed corners. Bike is only 2 years old and I've had back to HD many times all to no avail and the bike still wobbles through corners. HD is going to look at it again when I get back but I reckon its frame flex but im not sure why this has only started at about 40,000Km. Until recently I had an old SG I rode in Thailand and I fitted Legend shocks which were just sensational (never had a cornering problem and could ride all day on rough Thai roads without issue). Like many of your subscribers after expending allot of money on a new CVO im not sure why I should be forced to upgrade suspension once again to sort a long term HD issue. In Thailand ive just purchased a new heritage and touch wood no issue to date.
that is correct, I have a 2016 softail slim, first thing that i did, progressive drop in springs in the front, and got rid of the stock rear shocks and put in progressive rears with a dial in Knob,my bike went from a slo[[y dish rag to tight and right and compliant.Suspension is king, look at the guys on the tracks, suspension is hi tech and should be used.
This is my first video with you. It is so helpful. I have a 2010 Electra, and I'm constantly putting air in the shocks, it's a real pain. I'll save my crumbs and get get a set of Revo A.
If you dont have the cash to get a legend set up you can find take off factory shocks off of a 17+ that you dont have to mess with air and they are adjustable as well...I found a set off facebook for 100 bucks just to have while I was redoing mine
My biggest complaint about Harley Baggers....THE SUSPENSION! Great review on the Legends.
Totally agree with you , I upgraded my front and back suspensions with Ohlins suspension and was the best thing I have ever done to my bike 3k in suspensions and I'd do it again if I have to
Frame issues are base. Suspension is improvable. For me, the best upgrade is to move to Indian. All issues have been upgraded with one act. But again, my 40 years riding experience. Everyone has a different experience and I respect that.
Went with Ohlins HD-044....Huge improvement.
The one thing I do with my 2012 Ultra Classic is check my HD air shock make sure the pressure is set proper for my load makes a big difference . I think the biggest and best change I have made is changing my lights to LED and putting the wire kit to control my spots so I can run high beams and spots at once. I also changed my signals to LED and the front signals so they are white until you signal then they turn amber. I do not understand why HD will not put LED on all their bikes just for safety. Nice video
I agree, insufficient lighting is definitely a safety issue
Running progressive 444s way better than stock and want a set of revo a for my 18 sgs will probably be next yr when I can get a set everyone that has them says there great and comfortable too đ
I wanted to lower my FLHP and get alittle better ride so I tried a pair of strutmaster Air shocks to replace my factory 13" airshocks. I'm happy so far.
unfortunately my Carving days are over. I just cruise along these days.
Yes 15 SG revo A in the rear and axeo in the front! Best upgrade ever!
Headin out on my/our first long bike trip on a 2015 FLHXS. I can already tell that the stock (air adjust) shocks tend to bottom out on those deep cup style bumps (when a passenger is on). I've really been wondering what is out there that can even out the ride when runnin with the extra weight. Great information and appreciate you putting this together. Keep er between the lines and the shiney side up!!
Check out Suspension Technologies. Great shocks. I had them installed in 2012 on my 2007 CVO Ultra after a long trip to Montana.
I had my luggage and wife on the bike. The stock air shocks are crap.
With the ST rear shocks and Progressive Mono Tubes in the forks, my bike rides line it is on rails.
Good luck!
Great thing about Harleyâs is there are many companyâs that make upgrades just for Harleyâs the most customizable bike out there 18 sgs put money into amps upgraded speakers chrome if I had a few grand Iâd do shocks forks stage 3 something to dream about and work towards
I put the Revo A on my 15 street glide. Money well spent!
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I replaced my rear suspension with JRI and is a huge difference, now Ive been interested in replacing my front. Legends is what I am looking into since they have those mono tubes for my bike and JRI do them for 2014 and newer only.
Great video thanks for the feed back/
Good stuff! Iâm a well travelled nutcase as well! Legend suspension YES! Iâve owned a standard as well. RoadKing etc. I have downgraded to a 2019 Sportglide. Awesome suspension play. Lighter bike. Very easy maneuvering almost anywhere. I learned how to travel lite over the years.
Iâm in my mid sixties and have legend for Suspension on my street glide.
Saw your previous vids on those Legend shocks. Had to save up money đ° for awhile, boy o boy did they make a difference đđŒ. Absolutely changed the bike. Did the fork inserts as well. I would also say that upgrade was my #1 upgrade. 2018 Rode Glide Special Black & White. Yes âI bought the damn bikeâ. Thanks for the previous tips on shocks because it did as you said. Thanks Legend shocks for a great product đđŒ
Bradley Alexander Glad to hear it and glad your enjoying that ride brother
Damn, serious miles đđ Love my HDs (17 Dyna LRS and 16 SG) and got alot of $$$$$ into my bagger. Ride everyday and alot of interstate touring. At 50 I gave up touring on my HD bagger and take my ADV out touring..... Real bags, real suspension and more choices during touring.
Without a doubt dont wast your money on the other companies out there. Your better off saving your money keeping your stock shocks until you can afford Legend. Iv tied them all
Suspension is very important for comfort
Thatâs the truthđŻ
Iâm loving my 2020 Teal Street Glide just like it is, but I upgraded from a 2003 Vulcan 1600 so everything is better now!!
I too had an 03 Vulcan. I got a 2011 Ultra and love it.
Welcome
@@tomhopkins6758 Thank you. I've waited a long time to be here.
I'm on a 2018 RGS. But coming from Choppers n older Softails I'm pretty comfy.
Put the Skully air ride system on my 2014 Ultra Limited. Have made 2 trips west from Ohio , first to Montana and Wyoming 5500 miles . Second Arizona and Utah 5300 miles . As well as trips to DC , South Carolina and many short trips around Kentucky and Ohio. The more I ride the more I love the air ride.
Thanks for the advice! Relatively new rider (year 3) trying to do longer and longer rides. Now I'm up to 500mi+ in a day so any suggestions to help with comfort and handling are MUCH appreciated. And we all know if anyone knows about LONG distance rides it's you! Checking out this suspension out this weekend AND looking forward to getting my ASR seat setup sometime in November.
Great video, I also changed my rear shocks on my 09â Ultra. They are adjustable, not as adjustable as the ones you have though. It did make a difference in the ride well worth the money for the upgrade.
Brother you hit the nail on the head with this video content! So many riders are wrapped up in the amount of horsepower and torque They could squeeze out of their bikes, forgetting the basic elements that allow them to ride whatever they have at present, the fastest!
Suspension, brakes, and tires THOSE ARE THE BIG THREE THAT SHOULD ALWAYS GET UPGRADED FIRST! My time in the Marine Corps has allowed me to ride various platforms of bikes, as a matter of fact, my first two bikes were the FXDX 2002, and the VRSCR 2006. Those two bikes showed me how Harley no matter what the platform of engine, skimped on the handling and braking! The VRSCR unfortunately for corner carving enthusiasts like myself went away like the Dyna Glide. Whether that be the FXDX or FXR. As soon as I upgraded the fork internals and the rear shocks of my FXDX with Progressive brand suspension components, I was able to ride my bike that much faster, it handled way better, and I was able to throw it around with a lot more confidence! The VRSCR Because it came from the factory with Showa (Japanese sportbike) suspension, and Brembo (European top of the line) brake components was a corner carving, back roads, animal! This was the only Harley-Davidson straight from the factory, that would hang with and sometimes edging out my buddies that rode sport bikes! My opinion doesn't matter for much, but my riding experience does.
I have earned various certifications and have hours on Houston Motorsport ranch motorcycle track as well as the various roads such as tail of the dragon, well-known mountainside courses in Japan, skyline drive, and other locally known places on the East Coast.
Harley-Davidson is way behind the power curve when it comes to the most important aspects on making a bike handle to its best potential. They need to take more cues from makers of both Japanese and European motorcycle companies to step their game up within the braking and suspension elements of a motorcycle.
Stop relying on their legendary namesake.
There's no substitution for performance!
Thank you for my freedom đșđž you bring up alot of great points, thanks for sharing with everyone on this channel đ
@@adamsandoval You are Always Welcome Brother, I really appreciate your response! đđŸ
Semper Fi!âĄ
Great info, Considering trying upgrade my suspension on my phone I 15 free Wheeler i need to give those folks a call thanks for sharing brother
Wife & I went with pro-air on our Triglides. Luv them... DK Customs on tube has alot of info for trikes & shock testing.
I agree that the legend shocks are much better than stock. But have no choice but to up grade because I have to lower the seat height because of my leg length. I am not blaming HD because they don't make a stock bike to fit me. So if you have no choice you might as well spend the your money on the best products available.
Adam frame flex is a is also a result if the frame isn't properly welded to cause stress cracks
Good stuff man, owner of Sportster XL1200, came from riding Dirt bikes. Love the Sportster !! I did over 8000 on 1 trip to Alabama... best ride of my life. Upgraded to Progressive shocks of-course. Keep up the good videos ! Nice bike brother !
I just put Legends on my 2010 RG and wasn't sure they would be better enough than my Progressives to validate the cost ... They are.
You just confirmed for me the decision I made to upgrade my suspension to the Legend Revo A's on the rear and the AXEO's on the front. I'm actually getting them installed later this week on my 2016 Street Glide Special, and am super pumped to experience the difference in ride for myself.
Iâm sure you will love both upgrades!
@@adamsandoval
Where can I find the seat that you designed???
I looked on your website but I couldnât find it.
I have a Mustang seat on my 2016 Electra Glide Ultra that is a good set, but after an hour or two of riding, my butt starts hurting.
i have a 15 dyna. put pro action on the rear and raised it a inch and just installed progressive monotube on the forks. had the rear on all summer for the price to performance you cant beat it.
Achilles' heel is the saying not Achilles' tendon. "According to a myth arising later, his mother had dipped the infant Achilles in the river Styx, holding onto himby his heel, and he became invulnerable where the waters touched him-that is, everywhere except the areas of his heel that were covered by her thumb and forefinger." From Wikipedia
I have a 12 RG, 16 RGCVO and now a 20 RG ultra and each model the suspension has improved. The 20 has progressives and it is much improved over the 16. Now having watched Adam and how much he likes his legends I am waiting to put some miles on the 20 and maybe upgrade them. Headed to Fl in a few weeks and will decide then. Thanks for the video and whereâs the invite to help with those stacks of beer taking up your shop spaceđ
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Yup upgraded to a 2019 Road glide from a 2012 Fatboy mostly due to the old softail suspension or lack there of.
Hey Adam... I couldn't agree more... "Suspension" is the weakest link in HD's M/C's! I bought my first Harley in 1982 because I thought they were going out of business... It was looking bleak for them back then, and HD was the last American M/C. All the Brit Bike Mfrs were down and out of business. Nothing like a little good old COMPETITION to benefit the customer! America is still the GREATEST Country on the globe! That's what will make HD either get it together or get gone!! I'm still riding HD's, mostly out of Brand Loyalty, but I have considered buying a different product! Thanks for all you do and for "THE AMERICANS" !!! Best Always, JP
Finally I got a clear explanation about suspension from all aspects. Thanks Adam great and priceless information to know. Although i didnât really made up my mind towards Legends Or Ohlins.
Thanks again
Hello, my name is Adam and I'm an Indian fan.......btw, my name is David, and I just traded a Harley for an Indian. Brakes, suspension, frame, options.......lol.
I have 14 Ultra Ltd and I bought it used 11/17. I took off the air shocks and put on Harleyâs next level shock with the dial on it. I think the BK problem with these is that only the left shock has an adjustment, not the right. I think probably limits the shocks as compared being able to adjust each individually. I would love to upgrade to Legends đđ
So true why Harley don't put the right suspension on these expensive motorcycles is stupid. It truly sucks that you spend 30,000 plus and need to do more to make it ride right. Great video man
I agree
For those that donât have the cash to go legend, you can buy 13â Harley sportster shocks on eBay for well under $100 or a basic set of progressive brand shocks and have a night and day nice ride on your street glide or road glide. But always get the 13â shock not the 12â like what comes originally on your bike and for 1/4th the price or less!!
I've experienced that frame/ride shake on my '05 Honda Shadow Sabre 1100. Your explanation was an "A-Ha" moment for me. Not sure I want to put all that money into the suspension when I want to upgrade to a new(er) bagger for long trips. I'll keep all of this in mind for my next bike. Peace & Love, Brother âźïž
And not ONCE did you mention rear-steer . For those who are wondering , that's when the swingarm/trans/motor unit moves laterally in relation to the frame under hard cornering . The '96 could definitely benefit from tieing that trans to the frame so it can't move and an upgraded swingarm pivot system . My '90 FLHTCU has a custom bracket attached to the trans that mounts a heim link to the frame cross member . That keeps the trans from moving laterally in the frame . It also has a pair of custom made chromoly steel and aluminum bronze swingarm pivots -designed by me and machined in my shop - in place of the stock cleve blocks . A friend got my prototype set , at 35,000 miles he found no discernible wear . He and I had great fun chasing sporty-bikers around here in north central Arkansas , they couldn't believe two old men on fat bikes could hound them as hard as we did .
Hi Adam nice video again. Totally agree with this. I've just completed an Endurance ride for charity on my Harley Sport Glide here in the UK where I rode to every HD dealership in less than 36hrs covering 1800 miles constant riding. When you ride long distance or ride endurance it is the basics you tend to focus on and that's what you need to improve, whether it's the bike or the equipment you carry. I'll hopefully be doing more charity rides in the future with different challenges too to further test both me and the bike. Cheers
Sounds like you're doing big things! Keep up the good work đ
Adam Sandoval thanks fella. You too
Im getting a new bike and going with the Legend air ride. Ive never had air ride, but so looking forward to the feel and smoothness. I too put in long miles and canât wait to feel the difference!
I came from a 2016 Dyna to a 2020 road glide the suspension was a huge up grade for me
NICE Advise, Ill Continue to Watch, Id be a Nuckle head if I didn't. Keep it headed this way your tips.
100% setup is key. I just put FOX on mine and itâs way better đ€đŸđđ
One of the duel adjustable ones is on sale as we speak at Dennis Kirk's. Looks like nice quality.
Excellent summaryâŠ. Awesome data !!
I never had any rear suspension problems, I ride a rigid đđ
Nice video, thanks Adam!
No doubt a lil pup. Wait until shit starts wearing out on you or you left your kidneys back in the pot hole you tried to avoid. As you get older, you transition from cool to comfort. đ
@@ronfriedman8740 hi Ron, I'm 59. Ride now for 16 years rigid about 10.000 miles a year. I'm still okđ. My saddle is suspended by a leaf cut in half of my light truck, so I have 2.5 inch "confort" against potholes.
You can see some of my trips o my little website sog-france.eu
Cheers!
Caspar
Thanks for your input. I completely agree with you on this. Looking forward to upgrading to a new cam and oil pump, plus new suspension on my '17 RGS.
I ran Legends on my 14 Dyna and my 16 Rd. Glide Ultra. Yes, great improvement over stock, BUT... I now run Ohlins inverted front end and remotes on the rear. I can hit triple digit speed in sharp corners with no wobble or movement. Like a rocket on rails in corners. 110 stage 4 pushing a Baker 6 speed. Does not get any better!
I have a stage 3 2003 ultra and I get the rear wobble on the highway at 80mph plus looking into the legend suspension for sure
undoubtedly, youâll notice a difference in handling immediately