Suno AI's new update just ended writer's block
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- An actual useful tool for producers or just another step in the wrong direction for the music industry?Let's hear those spicy comments below.
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00:00 Intro
00:55 Suno's Audio Input feature
02:08 Original demo example
05:20 Initial thoughts
06:11 Pros & cons
09:14 Suno's upcoming features & predictions - Hudba
This is what I was waiting for. The end of writer's block; adding something different to what I already had that I didn't think of. I will be subscribing to this for this feature. Thanks for showing us what it can do. Now to create something more of what I have already and create something new.
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I am right with you brother! I choose to embrace this rather than hate this ... i have so many little musical ideas that were never finished. Now partnering with AI is what I am doing. It is very inspiring !. and it is good time for the elders.
This is a phenomenal tool!! If you have ever collaborated with anybody before… and had a huge disagreement behind it that killed the idea or project.. having this tool eliminates that headache. If you have ever had a singer blow a deal because you had to rely on them for the demo and they screwed the entire situation up…. This is a solution to that…. I am floored daily with what I come up with to input into Suno, a chorus concept and boom it does an entire song!! Insane! It’s amazing I embrace it… it’s creatively useful… I love it!!!
I took 15 years of lyrics and have produced 16 full albums thus far! Amazing!
An extension to this. Take the idea, go to your DAW use your own samples or vsts to rearrange and reord the whole thing in a style u like tweaking here and there. The time saved from establishing the song structure by ai can be spent on actually performing it this way which is the fun part of making music. And ai turns into a real tool than.
Logic Pro just split a SUNO song’s stems into separate tracks with one click. Super useful.
Lol imagine saying this and actually thinking you have any amount of creativity. Hilarious to think that you sound inspired when you let a computer do all the writing for you. Hilarious.
This is essentially what I've been experimenting with as a side project. Cutting together my selection of clips from everything I've generated into the composition I want, sometimes extracting stems and using vocals from a different clip or something, adding my own instrumentation if I want something that's not there, etc. I've also started to see what it would be like to recreate a song after I do this, and play or sequence everything myself, giving me more flexibility to completely change drum parts, change lyrics after the fact, and stuff like that. And yes, I am a real musician who can and does create my own music without AI. I like technology, and the whole thing has been fun and satisfying to play around with.
this is honestly great for someone like me - i've only been able to make small snippets over a beat. now this gives me so many ideas for song direction.
I've struggled with finding someone to help me with this, but now, i basically just have to find a mix/master engineer to help me get the vocal chain right.
whenever suno can output a vocal effects chain based on the generated song, it will truly be game changing
You are exactly right. I have so much littler Ideas where I am stocked! Having a virtual Studiopartner, a second opinion is great.
if anybodyt thinks this is cheating then they simply dont understand how music works and how collaboration works
Now all we need are clean stems!! And bonus to the first company that provides AI mixing online - like Ozone!!
I'm hoping they add stems and also custom ai voice models would be cool
Yeah this is pretty crazy and the possibilities are endless.
I believe so . What I like the most from that feature is opening so many ideas about vocal lines especially if we`ve already had good foundation of lyrics . And since most of them generated based on same chord structures we can easily doing mix and match the vocal lines if needed.
Every week I’m blown away more and more!
Also worth noting that customers are paying to help train and extend the companies ai models. OG level smart
I'd definitely watch more videos of you showing some of your project ideas though it and hearing what comes out... maybe throw in some instrumental only tracks, too
Love the rhythm! Hope you finish it so I can buy it in I tunes 😊
Yes! You nailed it. I'm not screaming, I'm with you on all your points.
Great video and I totally agree about how it can help writers block. The next step is to have AI improve their lyrics. They really need a feature where you can ask it to write different rhyme schemes....I really am starting to dread the random lyrics. They always sound like junior high poetry. They need to offer different rhyme schemes or input how many syllables per line so you can have short lines and inner rhymes and other choices. Also provide different styles. I know they cant say write in the style of Bob Dylan or Eminem but at least have some options. Other than that....this is really really good!
Vary well explained, soon it would get pro level
Suno DAW? Perhaps one day? I still want more editing.
I got some really nice results with Suno. Some things sound off, but I am still impressed. Some of the generated songs probably deserve that someone actually record them without mentioned issues
What can also be a bit frustrating is when Suno gives you an amazing idea but then you don't know how to implement that idea. This happened to one of my songs. I sort spliced them together by separating and cleaning up the STEMs, adding them to my mix. Would be cool if Suno had an option to output the stem files, and improve quality overall (artifacts).
I wonder, with the ideas Suno creates for you, how to extract the midi data from it so you can re-create it using human input?
Ok - this is incredible. I have been dusting off lost/unfinished tracks from years ago. Songs with vocals that maybe end after the first chorus, you name it, and I now have more options that are 10/10 fantastic. What it is creating, I would consider rough demos that will need complete recreation, singing, instruments, etc. - and that's great!!! Sweet mother of god, I'm excited...haha.
Suno ai is like a text book for students of learning and easy way out for music lovers
No it’s plagiarism machine
Students learn and give back, when you go through school, you learn, you gain and one way or the other give back
As someone who has struggled with hundreds of 30-second song ideas that seem to never get finished, I appreciate this video so much.
I struggle as a songwriter and sometimes go to sleep feeling like a failure because I haven't written "Imagine" yet.
This is a tool to get inspired. It's a tool that can make you think about approaching your 30-second thought in a different way, with different vibes, different narratives.
I love it. I am scared of it. Someone will probably take advantage of it.
But at some point, this video will seem like the "good ol days" of songwriting. 😢
Very interesting points! and very brave of you to take the optimistic point of view in all of this😁
really impressive from Suno, building the song as you said. and I noticed the voice, tho AI sounding and too poppy, again like you said, had really good phrasing sometimes landing on the beat sometimes just before which is just a small thing but very humanizing.
How does it know to do this?😳
If you can't copyright the music you create or the info you enter how will musicians support themselves?
Seems creative to use Ai to play off of like this, and you show some good examples, but there are still problems that is very hard to see through. The first is that this can contribute to isolate writers and musicians even more, and we already have a massive mental health problem due to social isolation in home studios. The second problem is when you start feeding original ideas into AI like this, the tech can re-use it to generate ideas for other users. This means that AI is basically a copy machine, that will take your original data and feed it to others, even before you have published your own production. That could lead to issues with the copyright, even if the idea was originally yours, if you hesitate with the finishing process.
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I would say it contributes to depression once everyone here realizes they didn't actually write anything and instead let a computer take care of the creativity and skill they don't have.
This will be such a creative boost.
have you tried udio's version yet?
Great video, lots of interesting insights
its ''transitions'' heaven lol
Cool Video! For me its a lovehate relationship. As an artist I hate it but as a creative person I love it....Happy colored greetinx
I can totally relate. To deny that it’s fun to play with would be lying, but there is a part of me that feels dirty when messing with AI, haha.
That's actually really impressive.
I hope they add a feature where you can generate songs feat your own voice models
That isFire!
The filters on Suno are tighter than Puff Daddy's newly signed artists innocence.
I think you nailed it, some will copy but I do see it as a challenge and sometimes a melody is the hardest part so yeah
this is a game changer!! no writers block anymore..😀
Its helped me in some of my projects as well, as I use Suno mostly as something like Training wheels, while using anvil studio and the like to work on writing songs. As far as lyrics go though, the more you work with the AI, the more you hear "AI-isims" with the word choices it does to the point that they've become a joke in the AI music community.
Just used it...insanity. Yep, it will help you sound out your song ideas....and force you also to cut ideas away to find the songs essence.
All True Bro!
Good on you man! (In the end, it's just another tool)
I completely agree with your assessment. I have snippets, blurbs, Half baked ideas every where and very many complete lyrics with no music, vocals or whatever. Now I feel like Bernie Taupin handing off to Elton John. (I will never be a Bernie)
Suno truly blew my mind with the audio upload extend thing.
I’m still not sure what to think about generative AI, but it really could become a good composer assistant. At first I was very skeptical, I never even use presets in a VST, let alone have someone write the music for me. But having overcome my obstacle, I think it can help a lot in finding ideas.
But one thing is for sure, back in the day the most beautiful music in the world was created only with pencil and paper.
Makes you wonder if there were people complaining that "it wasn't real music" if you had to write it down to remember it.
i am a lyricist and if the writer's block is removed then how i can make beautiful songs ? sir i request you to tell team suno that please do not remove the writer's block.
Now that you posted it, what if somebody takes your song and turn it into a another song?
How does the copyright work then?
A hit song !
What do you use to record it?
I create my music in Pro Tools
Popsickle toes was a hit, enough said regarding your first loop.😂 It's like a writing partner, I don't see the harm in that. They need to have separate stems and midi files so you can take what you like and chuck the rest. The bottom line is you still have to get the songs out there to get any return for investment in time and money.
I wonder if my recordings of me humming a beat idea(melody idea)..could it generate a stable sample that I can usem If so, this would be groundbreaking! I could just make the drums at that point
Can I get Suno to use my original melody ? ... uploaded audio with melody excerpt but Suno seems to ignore it
Make sure you start the extended part after your melody. It doesn’t always work but I’ve had better success that way.
@@soundlearn thank you so much
You should let us hear the full song before commenting.
I have a guess too. Probably something like Photshop is doing now that will add to your music whatever you ask it for and if you don’t have an idea it will propose something.
Music already sounds very similar in some genres. So if producers rely too heavy on this service it will just sound even more similar. Therefore good times for the individualists who know what they’re doing. Or maybe not and we’ll have even more copycats. In the end you can’t teach people not to be mainstream. It’s a personal decision.
A better thing to do is ask chat GPT for help writing a song, it will give you a bunch of suggestions for composition. and that way it's more still your own music.. i could never give suno my audio , they probably gonna use all of this for their database.
Please let me know if it's okay to do a remix version of your song!
Go for it!
can a person copyright the output is the question. I think we need AI Music Charts
According to their FAQ, Pro users can use any output created by Suno commercial and retain all the rights. That includes completely re-recording a song that Suno generated. It will definitely be interesting to see if AI-generated music will kind of end up in its own lane compared to real music.
You guys are naive this will replace real artists mark my words , at least as far as billboard is concerned there will always be underground music created by humans but as a label who wants to make money $30 per month to make 5-10 albums vs $300,000 per album per artist which do you think they will choose !?
@@thedaytonapodcast I disagree. People fall in love with the artists for the music first and then for the person second. Look at how obsessed people are with the life of Taylor Swift. It's what brings her songs to life and gets people so invested in them. People want someone to admire. Songs are just a flash in the pan. Even the best song ever created would slowly fade away into obscurity if there's nobody behind it.
@@thedaytonapodcast I can say this with 100% confidence after trying this out on my older unfinished tracks - at a minimum, this removed any need for a producer. And not the 'I make beats' producer, but the producer that will work with artists and guide them towards a hit track. I could take ten unfinished tracks (synth-based, vocals, guitar, drums - with a solid first verse and/or chorus melody) and recreate the extended ideas I'm getting from a handful of rolls from Suno and have a solid album from top to bottom. I've spent maybe 10 hours trying old material out since watching this video, and my noggin is blown. I'm not discouraged; I'm inspired. I also have realistic expectations that if I did release anything, my audience would be next to none - and that's ok, too.
@@LuxElliott I am with you, I have a few hundred “ideas” on my mac or my iphone stuff that I write-record because I would never remember it the next day. And trying to co-write with another musician or producer is not worth the hassle. Now we have a giant engine to at least show what’s possible! but my question remains can we copyright the track, the US copyright office rejects any artwork (music or lyrics) generated by AI in any form. Which means how would AI produced music become popular AND protected legally?
How do you know that Suno is not using the music that you upload to their sistem to train ther AI?
Because it will be crap and they don’t want to pollute they data they trained illegally for
Oh it most certainly is!
The song sounds a bit like "allaska". form Maggie Rogers
I disagree. Yes, ideas are hard to come by, but that doesn't mean the music business is dead. Heck, this might actually make it come alive again because sometimes even artists have writers block, do they not? I've used suno myself and, though i'm no famous artist, i find it rather enjoyable even if the interface has lost accessability for the visually impaired people a little bit. 5:18
You need Harry Styles ore Charlie Puth for your demo, and IT will ne a hit. No need of ai because IT will pile up a billion songs with 3 streams per year
Just subbed, please share your songs please!!!
Check out "soul civilian" on Spotify/Apple/etc. It's my latest project and is written, produced and recorded by me (without the assistance of AI... for now).
Ive had a play around with this today.
What it generates is far from complete. But 100% creatively useful. Direct copied sound extremely flat. Im not convinsed direct copies will do well. Having heard loads today, they all sound the same.
I hate all about this. Why?
1. Millions of demos to labels = no attention to real artists who spend a lot of time and even money to get a final version of a track.
2. Losing a job = songwriters, singers, sound designers, ghost producers, producers.
3. To me, as a sound designer and producer who started making music 21 years ago, it’s just a punch in the face that there are some kids who have never spent an hour making music but can get a product in one click.
4. Humans can’t make music in one minute… check again #2.
Yes, I HATE THIS!
I’m not sure about this to be honest. I have a ton of old demos and half written songs that were abandoned - for a reason! They were never meant to get any further. I didn’t have the right emotional connection to make a song from it. Don’t get me wrong, I like the sound of your song but now I know it was written by a machine the emotional connection is gone. I’m not sure how I feel about it! Just being honest!
Up until now, it took people with talent, study, and mastery of the craft to deliver excellent musical content. This is an intriguing tool, but at what expense? This will probably eliminate most of the earning potential for most in the music industry. It seems a.i. will refine and continue to streamline music creation, marketing, delivery, AND ultimately music ownership. Music, video content, 3d content, virtual artists, concerts, and events, for screen and things like Apple Vision, all a.i. generated, never a human needed. Soon the a.i. will be making the most insane personal content all on its own. No prompts needed. Wide open future, just not for you.
Me good word, no good song...! Also free so my songs are only heard by me kind of sucks such bangers tho...!Still the best one doing insane things on its own or when you have full control...Just Sayin'...!
The generative AIs are mostly trained on existing music without permission. Stem splitting will mean it becomes easier to detect where that source is - which will put the services at even more liability then current. What people tend to ignore in all their AI celebration is that AIs are as good at listening as they are at generating. It’s naive and flawed to think these services just come for free and there is no liability. I also don’t get why people are promoting such services - when it essentially means burning down an industry and giving all the money to a few tech bros. Why not do it the right way - license material - like everyone else has to and benefit the industry as a whole?
It's a very valid point. My next video will address the larger issue with AI in general. It's a very complex thing that is here to stay for better or worse.
Most people never get a chance to get in the "industry" no matter how good they are, I've been writing lyrics and rapping since I was 15 now I'm forty.
Finally getting to hear my music produced on a beat is amazing and now I don't have to know the right people or do the right favors to make my music. I spend hours recycling a song until I get the right beat for it on suno it doesn't just come out the way I like it the first time, so am I not still producing it along with AI at that point? Plus I'm using all my lyrics, the only thing they need to do is let me record my voice singing or rapping the song and then throw a beat around it, but now after all these years I can finally make music and my lyrics are just as good if not better than what's out today. AI is just cutting out the middle man and putting the cult out of power I love it!
Thanks for sharing your POV! Not everyone has the budget or time to learn production, pay for studio time or buy a bunch of expensive gear.
While this "solves" writer's block in the short term, I don't think it will actually help solve the core issue behind a lot of people's writers block. So-- cool and neat feature, but I foresee the problems of tons of formulaic music flooding the market as worse than the small benefit of quick fixes to one's creative problems.
Have you ever heard someone take a cool idea somewhere and thought “I would’ve taken it somewhere completely different”?
That’s kinda what this does for me. It gives me the obvious path and makes me wanna do something more interesting. My hope is this is how most people will use it, but I fear you might be right that some people will just be lazy with it.
@@soundlearn Oh yes, I've definitely had that happen, but a human collaboration has more advantages than just what you mentioned. I think people like you will definitely use this as a tool in a process, but lots of people will end up making 4 bar loops and then having AI finish it, to then claim they wrote the song.
I'm actually not against AI in the workflow (beat maps / arpeggiators are useful tech too), but I am aware that Tech generally has unintended consequences. For example, our hyper connectivity has ironically led to a rise in social anxiety 🤔 similarly, I think AI "assisting" in creative ruts will lead to reliance on the tech rather than addressing what puts one in the creative rut in the first place.
Imagine using this and thinking you're actually creating. I never realized how many uncreative, untalented, and pathetic people were calling themselves "writers" but it also explains why they're using this and they're not successful. Because if they had what it takes, they would have done it without this.
Next all Daws will have this AI as a update believe me, or they all go down.
btw: Sunos quality is bad, udios is much better. ;)
I'll have to check out Udio! I've heard others say the same, I just never got a chance to check it out.
I disagree heavily, at least for the genres I use it for, Post-Hardcore, Pop-Punk, Midwest Emo, Math Rock, etc. Suno is way better than Udio, it’s not even a comparison. Udio never makes anything that actually sounds unique or interesting. Just generic boring shit and the audio quality is worse than Suno also.
This is cool. But go listen to a song like The Boy is Mine by Ariana and this thing just won’t be able to make it. Perhaps one day, but when it comes to songs like that, it just won’t make it.
Agreed. It's why I keep saying its more of a tool than an entire replacement. If someone chooses to be lazy and just lets AI do all the work, people will see through that.
I don't think it helps with writers block. What it does, is write the song for you.
When lack of talent is called „writers block” 😂 first of all music is emotion. Stop 🛑 writing songs in a DAW and only write when You have something to say … (it’s not a hate comment just my general thoughts 💭)
A DAW is just another instrument. Guitars and pianos don’t grow on trees. They’re tools created by humans. To imply a “real” song can’t be written on a DAW feels short-sighted. A song idea comes from emotion, but actually arranging and structuring the song is a like putting together a puzzle and requires work to build into a cohesive idea.
Writers block happens to the most talented songwriters. It’s the reason artists can take years between records.
yeah . But AI music isn't that interesting if it just create the same boring pop stuff as People can create in heartbeat. Often Suno sounds like Suno. Same with udio. You can often hear it. Im not saying it's bad, but the thing we don't not more of is boring music.
I've several hits with sunos first version. But it's AI music so it doesn't other than it's interesting.
This is not creative.
I don't think it helps with writers block, it writes the entire song for you. That is bad, eliminates writers creativity, thus anyone can write now. Thus eliminating songwriters.
“Draw ideas”? Seriously dude, people won’t be drawing ideas, they just directly copy this crap! The music business in dead in the water :(
While you're not entirely wrong and there will definitely be lazy mediocre music coming out, I think music lovers can see through the difference and authentic music with soul and humans behind it will always be king. AI plays it super safe. Humans know how to take risks and try things that don't really make sense on paper until they do.
@@soundlearnyou’re delusional
@@soundlearn maybe that’s how it is today but AI is developing at an incredible pace. 12 months from now, it will be almost impossible to tell the difference!
It’s going to take a while. The models are still not great at the human nuance needed to craft a record that people will connect to & sustain. Professionals will benefit the most during these early stages.
@@foriyo9469Homeless man with a "THE END IS NEAR" sign on the side of the road be like:
Udio is better
dislike because your video comes too late. That Suno update has more than a month.
It only went fully public this week, but you are correct that many users already had access for some time. Thanks for watching!
Bro this sucks
Well, one thing is for sure: Suno is A LOT better than you are at making music.
If you want to listen to my actual music check out Soul Civilian, so you can really shit on my music. thanks for watching!