Four Cuts - A Wood Turning Basics Lesson

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  • čas přidán 27. 05. 2019
  • There are only a few main cuts in turning and 3 turning blank orientations. Success comes from understanding the grains interaction with an edge/wedge. And since there are only a few handful of tools this is an easy reach for new woodworkers. Grasp this and your enjoyment of the craft and quality of results will all improve.
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Komentáře • 578

  • @p0sher
    @p0sher Před 3 lety +37

    Rock solid understanding and knowledge expertly explained. Thanks! I've worked with wood most of my life and have a wood science degree. Your explanation of cutting theory and practice reminds me of my student days reading McKenzie and Koch! Having just recently purchased a lathe I need to learn and practice a new skill and this video has helped enormously! Everyone who works with wood should see this, not just wood turners!

  • @chrisnedbalek2866
    @chrisnedbalek2866 Před 2 lety +34

    7:00 skew
    7:46 skew: plane, peel, slice, scrape
    8:23 planing (Spindle turning)
    9:36 skew: analysis of the edge of the blade
    13:34 how to actually apply the tool to the wood
    14:25 more on applying the tool with the angle of the tool to the wood
    16:56 review so far
    17:22 peeling (the most underrated cut)
    21:15 The peeling technique
    22:27 the Slice (is like cross cutting)
    23:45 Slicing technique
    24:52 slicing is one of the best ways to get almost finish ready Edge grain
    25:07 Scraping
    27:12 scraping technique
    28:07 scraping is the quickest way to dull your tool. It'll dull it in about eight seconds.
    29:23 Review
    30:33 Spindle roughing gouge
    32:00 SRG technique
    36:32 Spindle gouge & bowl gouge
    40:17 left-hand and right-hand in the use of the spindle gouge and bowl gouge.
    41:10 technique with bowl gouge
    47:32 Back to planing (with a bowl gouge)
    49:30 ... and with a Spindle gouge
    51:50 Wood is stupid.
    52:38 End grain hollowing
    56:50 EGH: scraping
    1:00:52 Face grain work
    1:06:42 the Facing compromise most turners make

  • @shaunhayward
    @shaunhayward Před 4 lety +121

    Single best woodturning video I've ever seen. This demystified so much.

    • @lukekirby4954
      @lukekirby4954 Před 4 lety +3

      What Shaun Hayward said ... new to this game and without good local tutors I have been playing, testing, trying, perfecting. I guess I have quickly learnt that tool sharpening and technique are key BUT understanding the engagement of the tool to the wood and grain structure will be a game changer. Great video well shot and very understandable.

    • @johnleins5593
      @johnleins5593 Před 2 lety +2

      Very good. Novice turner's should very carefully watch, listen, and learn. This video also makes you think. Signed. Novice.

  • @MelkeinMaalla
    @MelkeinMaalla Před rokem +8

    I have a DSc Tech degree and I just love how you put a lot of analytical thinking on what you do. You build indepth understanding instead of repeating generic advice. I have actually wached this a couple of times. This video is phenomenal.

    • @MelkeinMaalla
      @MelkeinMaalla Před rokem

      Sidenote: I was reading articles on wood turning and the skilled makers said there are two different cuts... I was like nope, four! It is really rewarding to learn the techniques as now I am experimenting with different woods. If the wood is not dense enough for one type of cut I can switch to another technique. Also understanding what happens where the chisels touch the wood allows changing the angle and rotate the tool without too much thinking. I take a bowl gouge and turn it sideways instead of using a roughing chisel. I rotate it to scrape a U-shape, and so on. Most rewarding was that I finally became friends with the skew yesterday. It takes a bit more power than the other chisels and it is necessary to understand how to use the pressure so that you don't push in a way that makes a catch. I was able to cut very straight end-grain surfaces freehand to glue different woods together without sanding.

  • @robertf6344
    @robertf6344 Před 3 lety +19

    An hour+ video for me as a newbie that I felt I learned something all the way through and enjoyed watching. No wasted words. Very well presented.

  • @Arduinerd
    @Arduinerd Před 4 lety +35

    Your videos have been so tremendously helpful. I genuinely thank you for putting in the time to teach these things.

  • @VictorAntonioLive
    @VictorAntonioLive Před 3 lety +52

    Finally, someone puts 'cutting' in plain English...thank you.

    • @HomeImProveMentHow
      @HomeImProveMentHow Před 3 lety +1

      I agree this was very helpful video adjust started to use ale the know-nothing this is a very helpful and education how long have you been using a lathe?
      ByForNow
      Ken

    • @Jrb8k3n
      @Jrb8k3n Před 3 lety

      Couldn't agree more.

    • @jonaweber7325
      @jonaweber7325 Před 3 lety

      Great explanatory video!

  • @allenwc
    @allenwc Před 4 lety +35

    Again! So thorough, which in the end makes it so clear. I'm learning so much from these turning lessons. Thank you so much for doing them.

  • @briangreenlee166
    @briangreenlee166 Před 2 lety +6

    I watched several “Lathe basics” videos before I found this one and boy I’m glad I kept searching. If he’s not a teacher he should be. This was the most comprehensive easy to understand nuanced approach to showing not only what to do but why you want to do it this way I have ever seen on any subject on CZcams. I immediately became a subscriber and look forward to all your other videos.

  • @TONY-ye1gg
    @TONY-ye1gg Před 3 lety +4

    The best video i have ever seen related to woodturning Your videos has been a tremendous help Thank you so much Cheers

  • @DaemnNoctus
    @DaemnNoctus Před 2 lety

    ok so I love watching wood turning videos, and I have never felt I understood enough to ever attempt it.
    This id the first video that explains what people are actually doing with the tools.
    I'm going to have to watch this a couple times once I get a laithe

  • @kevingowdy3651
    @kevingowdy3651 Před 4 lety

    Watching this should be compulsory for anyone buying a lathe, BEFORE they begin turning. Less catches, less accidents and much more productive fun. Thank you for another great lesson. Kevin UK

  • @SkipFixesStuffAndKnowsThings

    Shawn, apologies for the long post. I’ve been woodworking for 25+ years and have done a wide variety of projects from which I’ve learned a ton about wood grain, cutting, and movement. But I’ve finally broken down and gotten a lathe and have been spending a significant amount of time watching beginning woodturning videos. The grain dynamics, while still universal, for me, still require a brand new paradigm given the dynamics of spinning wood. This video, with the deep dive into those dynamics and the simplicity of the four different cuts and how the different shaped tools have basically identical edge interactions, has been an eye opener and will help me immensely. As I said, I am just starting out and have found myself wanting to do a particular shape and then staring at my tools wondering which one to use. This results in tossing tons of toothpicks in the trash as I experiment, with no real understanding of what is happening. I will be referencing this video frequently as I move into this world. Thanks so much for taking the time to put this together. Skip.
    Also shout out to @chrisnedbalek2866 for indexing the time and topics for easy reference.

  • @raincreek8032
    @raincreek8032 Před 4 lety +6

    Man, I’ve just watched you for 12 hours, and I’ve learned more than in the last 2 years! Bravo!

  • @balintbarki4121
    @balintbarki4121 Před rokem +1

    I very-very-very rarely say this, but this video was one of the best I have seen about woodturning/woodworking. Thank you!

  • @burnleyize
    @burnleyize Před 3 lety

    This is ridiculous!
    Spending ALL.my free time watching your videos!
    Superb. I have learned so much about lathe turning and it makes me rush out to the shop to try them out.
    And, I am finally enjoying turning bowls, boxes and mushrooms.
    Thanks, fella.
    ( And you are WAY TOO YOUNG to be so wise!)

    • @wortheffort
      @wortheffort  Před 3 lety

      I'm officially a senior citizen this year.

  • @jonjohnson647
    @jonjohnson647 Před 2 lety +1

    With zero experience, I recently purchased a wood lathe. I have watched numerous videos from many experts. I could not for the life of me figure out just what was going on with the complicated geometry of the tools. Until I watched your video, that is. Now, it all makes sense. Thank you so much for the instructions.

  • @ConcreteLand
    @ConcreteLand Před 3 lety

    My practice. Watch this video, go practice. Watch video again, go practice more. Repeat as necessary.
    Thanks for all the great videos.
    You’re awesome.

  • @Bass-guitarist
    @Bass-guitarist Před 4 měsíci

    As a complete beginner just about to use my first (second hand) lathe your tuition was awesome and i made an instant subscribe!

  • @TheCaoimhin2
    @TheCaoimhin2 Před 2 lety +1

    This goes down as one of the great videos on CZcams! To be a good teacher is a real gift, and you are a great teacher. One of the best on CZcams and so one of the best in the world. Thank you for your time.

  • @AndersOlausson
    @AndersOlausson Před 5 lety +10

    Thank you. This is easily one of the most useful videos on the internet right now!

    • @eileenbreen9057
      @eileenbreen9057 Před 3 lety

      I agree, very well done. I am a slow learner so I need to watch a few learned so I had to watch several times and enjoyed each times. Very well presented,

  • @thegreatconvergence8422
    @thegreatconvergence8422 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Thanks for your videos I appreciate them, i made all my chisels myself out of leaf springs from the scrapyard and lathed all the handles, it was a rewarding experience.

  • @reprosser
    @reprosser Před 5 lety +26

    Been turning for years, and this is the best description and demonstration I have seen for the 4 cuts.

    • @GaryWall
      @GaryWall Před 5 lety +3

      The same here. I wish that I had this information in this format when I started out. I had to learn from my own mistakes.

  • @fiberinspector1304
    @fiberinspector1304 Před 5 lety +1

    It's 2:30AM, I am so tired but, cannot seem to stop watching. Such a great video, learned a lot. Thanks.

  • @ournovascotiaadventure1619

    I have to make another comment, I just used what you showed us and it was so much more enjoyable, and safe lol. Thanks again

  • @jeffreyrood8755
    @jeffreyrood8755 Před 5 lety +7

    Man, I think you for teaching these fundamentals. It's just what I needed.

  • @ssum7733
    @ssum7733 Před 2 lety +1

    I always love the detail, comments, challenges and comedic elements in your commentary. Thanks for the lessons. You're great to learn from.

  • @kevinfontenot9463
    @kevinfontenot9463 Před 2 lety +1

    I’m learning more and more. I always come back to your and one or two others videos. The more I turn, the more things you’ve pointed out make sense allowing me to learn even more from your videos. I really appreciate the work you’ve put into your teaching vids. Thank you.

  • @josephciaravino4115
    @josephciaravino4115 Před rokem

    He’s such a great teacher.

  • @MrDavidHearn
    @MrDavidHearn Před 4 lety

    By far the best lathe video for beginners. Everyone else just skips over these crucial details. Thank you so much!

  • @Bizissl
    @Bizissl Před 4 lety +9

    Best video for learning about physics behind turning! Best man! Thanks so much 🙂

  • @MarcFireHart
    @MarcFireHart Před 5 měsíci

    Thank you for this video. There are hundreds of tutorial videos out there and this is the first time I learn so much about grain and how to work with it. Fantastic!

  • @richmillett7815
    @richmillett7815 Před 3 lety +1

    Being showed how to do something is one thing. But being taught why is so much more important. Thank you very much. You are the best teacher.

  • @user-nx8jf1mc9t
    @user-nx8jf1mc9t Před 5 lety +33

    Very helpful!
    It's like a kind of collge lecture.
    Easily understandable :)
    Thanks for sharing experience of your professional wood turning!

  • @user-qr1gp3qw2n
    @user-qr1gp3qw2n Před 3 měsíci

    Absolutely great lesson.Thank you.Hello from Russia.

  • @philgabbard7535
    @philgabbard7535 Před 3 lety

    If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand , Einstein
    You my friend are a great teacher! Most knowledgeable, helpful, and applicable. Thanks
    (Teacher, preacher, turner,) your humble servant Dr. Phil

  • @nebuler1
    @nebuler1 Před rokem

    You are among the best teachers I've seen on all youtube, in any subject.

  • @rexb6478
    @rexb6478 Před 5 lety +3

    Thank you so much for explaining this and the others you do!

  • @ironeagletrike
    @ironeagletrike Před 4 lety +1

    Shawn you are seriously a great teacher! You know how to part information and made me go buy something other than pen blanks to start turning out some other things!

  • @michaeldundas8245
    @michaeldundas8245 Před 4 lety +4

    Thanks for taking the time to put together this video. The demonstrations plus the white board diagrams are very helpful.

  • @khendon2393
    @khendon2393 Před 3 lety

    Excellent video, best beginner turning video i've seen so far!

  • @jjow1
    @jjow1 Před 3 lety

    Great Video as a old man learner this is very helpful one of if not the best videos for beginners that I have found , as an oldie just starting a new hobby we need all the help we can get and your video is just that. Many Thanks

  • @jeffreyroybal8981
    @jeffreyroybal8981 Před 4 lety +1

    Without a doubt this video has been the best explanation of how it all works! I have watched several and none have broken things down so I get it the way you did! You rock Sir!

  • @alanwebster5319
    @alanwebster5319 Před rokem +1

    Worth the time to revisit this too

  • @netkissa
    @netkissa Před 3 lety +1

    I am in the process of buying my first lathe. This makes me so much more confident diving in this hobby.

  • @hammerheadmouse
    @hammerheadmouse Před 2 lety

    This man has made me a far better turner in 1hr and 11mins and I haven't even made it to my lathe. Thanks for the thorough explanations!

  • @barrylennard6046
    @barrylennard6046 Před 3 lety

    The clearest, by a mile, explanation about turning basics that I've ever seen. Thank you.

  • @Rocknbike2011
    @Rocknbike2011 Před 3 lety +1

    I'm an italian cabinetmaker who is trying to improve his own woodturning ..... I appreciate a lot your passion but mostly your very talented educational attitude!!!

  • @bobquinn314
    @bobquinn314 Před rokem

    Excellent Video, even after turning for a few years now, it cleared up some problems I encounter. Will use this as a refresher as needed. Thanks!

  • @forrestlee59
    @forrestlee59 Před 4 lety

    Best beginner video I've seen. Thanks.

  • @MrDaytrack
    @MrDaytrack Před 2 lety

    Love your lecture, man. Now that I understand better what is 'actually' going on at the wood itself; and more to the point; the cutting edge, my turning is better.
    You-da-man ...
    Best ...
    William (Hampshire UK)

  • @pinnaclegaming6019
    @pinnaclegaming6019 Před 3 lety +1

    Most valuable and best 1 hour and 10 mins of my learning experience. Thank you very much for this video.

  • @peterrueckert5619
    @peterrueckert5619 Před 5 lety +11

    The best video i have ever seen related to woodturning ! Great explanations, looks like I now understand what I was doing the last 10 years 😁
    Many thanks from Germany 👍

  • @TimRobertsonWoodturning
    @TimRobertsonWoodturning Před 5 lety +2

    Nice job explaining the cuts. As always very helpful. Thank you for what you do.

  • @chuck8228
    @chuck8228 Před 2 lety

    Ok I just ordered a lathe and some chisels. Guess you gonna be my teacher. I was thinking I could do this as retirement when I get old. I'm 53 so I better get started. I bought a new stihl chainsaw to. It wasn't be here for a week so I got time after work to watch videos. Here goes a new journey!!!!

  • @GraemePayne1967Marine
    @GraemePayne1967Marine Před 5 lety +4

    Very informative video! Many others (including some from woodworking magazines!) often say "do it this way" with little or no useful explanation. THANK YOU for explaining WHY we should "do it this way."

  • @timmehling5147
    @timmehling5147 Před 5 lety +4

    Very good job of keeping it simple and taking the time to show the actual cuts along with the mistakes. Keep up the great work.

  • @tj5153
    @tj5153 Před 3 lety

    Best turning video that ever existed in the universe. Learned a lot!

  • @user-cu2jh5ml6u
    @user-cu2jh5ml6u Před 10 měsíci

    As a new woodturner I find your videos invaluable. Love the way you describe everything that's easy for dummies like myself to understand. For the first time since watching this video I actually enjoy using a skew now instead of expecting a catch every time I try and use it.. Keep up the brilliant work.

  • @imzzaudae
    @imzzaudae Před 2 lety

    Ya, I'm an avid box turner. Been learning from this guy for years. Always first class videos.
    Thank you.

  • @josephgosselin1808
    @josephgosselin1808 Před rokem

    ……as always with your videos………..knowledge! Useful knowledge!!!

  • @SlightlyRottenCarving
    @SlightlyRottenCarving Před měsícem

    Thanks for the information... I just started turning after a couple years of using dremels, grinders and hand tools to create my carvings. I'm excited for this... and I appreciate the work that people like you put into helping others understand this craft. Take care, friend.

  • @Gorthok
    @Gorthok Před 5 lety +2

    This is a really good lesson, thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience!

  • @overlycranked8674
    @overlycranked8674 Před 3 lety +1

    In this one hour video I learn more than a full day workshop I paid good money for. This is a very tricky subject to explain and you have done a masterful teaching here. Thank you

  • @ProfessorVector
    @ProfessorVector Před 2 lety

    Wow what an education I got. I never knew this !! Thank you so much.

  • @brucemcnally3924
    @brucemcnally3924 Před 5 lety +5

    Superb! Every question, every confusion I had about turning addressed and answered. Great tuition as always, many thanks.

  • @mattstarr4300
    @mattstarr4300 Před 3 lety +1

    What a great lesson. Thank you for taking the time to put this together! You’re really a very good instructor.

  • @JustJimWillDo
    @JustJimWillDo Před 2 lety

    What I heard: A hand plane works because it has a soul.
    What I thought: Man, this tutorial is really going into some depth!
    And it did. I may have misheard that metaphysical part, but the rest was wonderfully comprehensive. Best 'theory' of woodworking I've heard since high school, and that was decades ago.

  • @craigsalyers7091
    @craigsalyers7091 Před 3 lety

    This is a great instructional video. Not only does he explain HOW, but he also explains WHY.

  • @bretteee
    @bretteee Před 6 měsíci

    Thanks for sharing your skills, and teaching us to be better turner's. You sir have helped me hone my skills much better than I was before. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and skills with us, you should write a book about your knowledge because it would be the go to book if you needed to check if you are doing and using the right chisel for the job. Thanks for sharing your skills

  • @JOHNSmith-pn6fj
    @JOHNSmith-pn6fj Před 2 lety

    Great lesson on the basics of tool cuts. Thank You for that information.

  • @erichough7080
    @erichough7080 Před 2 měsíci

    As a rank beginner, I find that this post is the very best that I have seen. Great teaching. Thank you.

  • @aliabazaid4293
    @aliabazaid4293 Před 2 lety

    Everyone enjoyed and benefited from this valuable lesson and the next generation will do too.

  • @DavidL-ii7yn
    @DavidL-ii7yn Před 2 lety

    And this is the video that makes me realize how much I still need to learn. Excellent explanations, thank you.

  • @natewilliams2445
    @natewilliams2445 Před 3 lety

    Just started down the wood turning rabbit hole. So much to learn. Thank you for this instruction. Exactly what I was looking for.

  • @timmillswoodturner.
    @timmillswoodturner. Před 5 lety +11

    Once again a super informative video. You are a master communicator (and a pretty fair turner to boot 😀)

  • @angusestcourt7120
    @angusestcourt7120 Před 2 lety +2

    A perfect piece with really clear explanations, thank you from the UK. I’m looking forward to learning from your other videos. Thank you for your time making these excellent educational pieces 👍

  • @christopherstafford227
    @christopherstafford227 Před 2 lety +2

    I just started trying out woodturning and I'll tell you I've been working basically randomly. This video was the best investment of an hour! Thank you so much for the tutorial!

  • @rutabegared1
    @rutabegared1 Před 2 lety

    The best instructional turning video I've ever seen. Thank you.

  • @richlong2270
    @richlong2270 Před 11 měsíci

    Well this is the best explanation of the theory of wood turning I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching if your not in teacher it’s a shame thank you for making this video ✌️

  • @du3lmaul3rs50
    @du3lmaul3rs50 Před 3 lety +1

    Excellent explanations and demonstrations. Just whenever I was thinking some of the explanations were starting to get convoluted, you followed with a demonstration that cleared it all up. You are a very good educator. Thanks

  • @timwatson2141
    @timwatson2141 Před 3 lety

    Due to a "COVID" slowdown in my industry, I haven't been able to take the plunge into this exciting venture. What I have been able to do is watch WORTHEFFORT tutorials presented by Shawn Graham. WOW! A gifted person like Shawn Graham doesn't come along very often, but here he is! The in-depth explanations are 2nd to none! Thanks Shawn Graham for all you do! With your help, I look forward to diving in to this hobby! God has truly blessed you with this talent!

  • @JamesRousseaux
    @JamesRousseaux Před 3 lety

    Thank you for taking the time to provide such a simple but in-depth explanation of how to use the different edges of different chisels in wood turning.
    I don't even have a lathe yet but I am keen to learn. When you watch the experienced turners and they make it look so easy. But there is a lot more to it.
    You have shared in one hour what would probably take years to figure out.
    Thank you so much. 😊 🇦🇺

  • @bigleafwoodcraft1453
    @bigleafwoodcraft1453 Před 3 lety

    By far the best informative woodturning video on CZcams! Thank you so much!!!

  • @519luvrock
    @519luvrock Před 3 lety

    Thank you for this video! So much learning in one spot! Amazing!

  • @wilhelmjonker6732
    @wilhelmjonker6732 Před 2 lety

    this is so excellent i finally now understand the basics which is the fundamental's thank you very much from south Africa

  • @reeceguisse17
    @reeceguisse17 Před 3 lety

    This was definitely worth the effort to watch...and I'll probably watch it again several times.
    Thank you for your time.

  • @user-wy5ik6zq4r
    @user-wy5ik6zq4r Před 5 lety +3

    Thanks for the video. Best I’ve seen for what each tool does. Helps us newbies

  • @shaz1616
    @shaz1616 Před 3 měsíci

    This is easily the best video explaining the difference in cuts and tools. For a nerd like me hearing the science behind each cut made it all click for me. Amazing video.l

  • @paulahemphill1412
    @paulahemphill1412 Před 3 lety

    I appreciate your teaching style. Thank you!

  • @tonyripacandida5015
    @tonyripacandida5015 Před 3 měsíci

    You teach really well, thank you, this has to be the best vid i have watched

  • @Skyrunner_84
    @Skyrunner_84 Před 3 lety +1

    This is an amazing video. I have never seen someone explain the basic mechanics of wood turning in such great detail. Yet this video is easy for a new person to this craft like me to understand. Thank you so much!

  • @matttrickel9033
    @matttrickel9033 Před 3 lety +1

    Wow- hands down the best video I’ve seen explaining how wood reacts to our tools. Well done!

  • @passinthru5992
    @passinthru5992 Před 4 lety

    Bravo,excellent teaching,now to digest and practice. Thank you very much!

  • @Sinestro6123
    @Sinestro6123 Před 3 lety

    I was bitten by the lathe bug at 12 years old. Have just got another lathe been 40 years. You teach really good. Thank you. 👍 and subscribed.

  • @scubadraig4725
    @scubadraig4725 Před rokem

    You are a fantastic teacher, expertly explained, I've yet to turn anything , currently awaiting my lathe but learning before I start. Giving me a great understanding of tool usage.
    Thank you sir

  • @MrProman55
    @MrProman55 Před 3 lety +2

    As everyone has said, this is a great video which makes turning so much easier to understand because you have explained the interactions between the tools and the wood in each situation.

  • @DavidWindsorDCW
    @DavidWindsorDCW Před 3 lety

    Even out of focus, this is very clear! Thank you for the great video.

  • @sgtcrtrdnl
    @sgtcrtrdnl Před 3 lety

    Hands down, the best explanation of how HSS tools cut that I've ever seen. Great job!

  • @robphone4895
    @robphone4895 Před 5 lety +2

    Very informative, thank you!