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I talk about factors you should consider in forming your support champ pool, for both low and high elo.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
01:23 - Low Elo
08:53 - High Elo
17:19 - Outro
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How to build a champion pool: Tahm Kench. You are done 😊
Huh? Explain please.
@@Nxadtddon't bench the kench
@@Nxadtdtop lane tank who also works as sup and is c*ncer on mid lane if played well.basically you got an op top laner that can also be off role pick
Great timing on this video for me! I started out playing Supp just to help my friends fill but really enjoyed the roll. I decided it would be best to pick a main early on to learn the game, but ended up going with thresh all the way to mastery 7 over the past month or so. I've definitely been meaning to switch up who I play since I can tell I often don't have the proper knowledge to fully unlock Thresh's potential, and am definitely lacking in some more basic knowledge, so this video will be a big help in picking my 1/2 new mains, especially since I hit level 30 a week ago. Thanks for the amazing videos as always!
I hope you find a champ that you click with that has a clearer identity!
Love your videos, they're always so helpful and informative
Thanks for the support!
Love the video.
I started playing LoL about 10 years ago and I've mained / one-tricked a couple champions (Sona, Janna, Bard,...) at this point. I've also played most supports enough to understand what they do. Because of how much I've played over the years my Champion pool has grown to about 15 support Champions. Despite that I'm still "only" Plat (I could probably get to low Dia if I tried). It may be worth noting that I played enchanter only for the first three years, so I think it makes sense to stick to one class at the start.
I would argue that if u have played the game for a long time its a good idea to slowly grow ur Champ pool regardless of ur Elo. That of course is assuming u like playing different Champions.
If u want to pick up a new Champion and u dont know which one. I suggest trying Champions that are currently strong, because that is going to make it easier for u early on when learning the Champ.
To each their own opinion! I believe you should keep your pool small whether you've been playing for 1 year or 10 years.
Masterclass as always, that's my coach! At the beginning of the season I made a champ pool of rell, sona, and renata trying to be very general. As you can guess since im low plat this did cause problems, but I was able to notice a lot about my play. I rarely played renata due to her clunkiness and was unwilling atm to put in the work to smooth her out, and I got bored of playing sona and eventually basically just became a rell one trick lol. I've peaked so far in about 50ish lp in p2 but am currently low p3, so I'll consider myself low elo. I have been wanting to change my pool out for weeks and I guess this is the sign to do it! I will play two champions from the same class being engager since it seems thats what I like the most, so rell and leona/rakan/naut (I know you advised against rakan but he is my most played champ of all time) so thanks for the vid and hopefully you'll be hearing about my successes in the discord soon!
I’m glad you found some inspiration here! Rakan can be fine especially if you’re close to that high elo cutoff anyway. He’s not as extreme as the other playmakers. Best of luck
great explaination! really getting into support lately, since mid lane is always so popular. you help me fall in love with my new role :D
Happy to help out haha
Let's go, these videos are always so helpful.
need to start linking this video after my games, some people really need to see this
In past season I was an enchantress supp main because I know and enjoy playing them. In this season I expanded my champion pool and adding some classes. Right now I play my top 5 champs Renata, Senna, Rakan, Bard, Rell with >50% win rate and I'm currently Master two-digit LP in SEA server.
That’s quite a tricky champ pool even for masters+. Hope this video gave you some food for thought
Thanks for this video! I started playing support this year and got from bronze to gold while OTPing Bard but I've been getting bored recently and can't decide on which champions to pick, I usually like to play Rakan and Thresh but I find it extremely difficult to get something done with playmakers. I am slowly trying to switch to Taric and enchanters and having great success with them!
Thanks for watching :) that's quite a tricky pool yeah, I hope wardens and enchanters give you more consistency in your games.
Good information like always.
Thanks for your insight, great video as always! I'm low-elo support main, but my mains are Rakan and Rell (with Rakan being most mastered). I see you don't recommend him for low elo, but I enjoy playing him so much, and mostly I'm playing with him better then any other champ (sometimes switching to Rell if my adc love to all-in, like Draven or Samira). Thanks for your work! ❤
If you have mastery on him, enjoy him and feel like you’re having high impact then go for it :) I just wouldn’t recommend him to someone looking to pick up an engager in low elo initially. Good luck with the climb!
Big Coach Cupcake Tahm Kench Extraordinaire back at it again with the fire video.
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Great video!(as always), you're one of the best if not the best in depth support teacher/coach in youtube, I'm master's 400lp on euw, i mainly play engage/playmaker champs, and you're the only content creator I can actually take something out of the content, your in-depth content is so valuable and helpful in my opinion
Thank you, I’m glad my content can help people like yourself in high elo too!
Awesome video cupcake
Thanks for the support :)
Hey Cupcake! Im spanish master player that recently discovered your channel trying to improve with Rell. I love your content and i think would be great if you make a in depth Karma guide! Thank you
Thanks for watching!
I'm a bronze-silver player who doesn't touch ranked too often, and I'm starting to become a support main. (coming from mostly jungle). I've been playing a good amount of Rakan lately and he's really fun, and I'm considering Braum as my second option as I love his character so much! Bard is in the running too, he's a blast to play. I'm hoping this isn't a foolish decision in itself, as I tend to have problems sticking to one champ, but I do often find myself coming back to thinking about these three fellas.
Yes rakan is a meta support
You sound exactly like me. Currently I play a lot of jungle, but I am considering support. Bard, Soraka and Lulu sound like the coolest supports to me. I struggle to keep to one champ also, that's actually why I'm watching this vid lol. Just went through a phase of trying to find an otp, but figured that I'd never be able to stick to one lol.
great video
Hi coach!
I really love your videos and found very usefull your tips.
Im start to play support to help my friend and i find really fun playing with alistar, even if is not so in meta 😅
I found difficult to build a decent pool to change around him, im thinking about
Alistar, Rell, Renata but i dont really know if this can be a good ones... and who can be added in this pool to be more various, you have some suggest about?
Thank you very much!
Great content and if you find the time to do a in depth tutorial 4 Alistar will be great!!! 😊
Have a nice day!
Hello :) it heavily depends on your elo. Sounds like you may be in low elo? Then you wouldn't want variation. All the info should be in the video for what low vs high elo should look to do with their pool. Just keep in mind these are recommendations, and this is for improving the fastest. Not all our priorities are the same
First of all love your vids
Second I’m currently silver and I’ve been testing out a number of uncommmon supports like Fiddlesticks with comet or First strike maxing Q and rushing zhonyas
and Volidbear with Comet maxing E first, rushing rod of ages
I’m really curious about your opinion on this. You think these are decent picks in low elo or just there to tilt your team?
If you think this is a dumb question or thing please ignore
I would encourage you to play champs that fit into the aforementioned factors of: enjoyment, mastery, ease of execution. Whoever that is. Try to be cohesive with your runes/items and your champ’s identity.
Hi Coach, thank you for this video.
I like the fact you splited low and high ELO.
I'm a big Tahm Kench enjoyer however I didn't find the build/runes/gameplay that makes him strong.
Like I can't find a good Mythic on him.
To me, Frozen gauntlet works the best but it's way to expensive for a support.
I find the champ weak but we see it regularly in pro play.
So could you also give me advices on how to play him efficiently ?
Thanks !
Sorry I missed this comment! I run guardian font of life second wind unflinching, then buiscuits and approach velocity. Locket is my most consistent mythic, if I'm feeling confident and want to 1v1 enemy carries I will consider frozen gauntlet though :)
@@CoachCupcake Thank you very much for taking the time to answer this old comment !
I really need to watch some High level Tahm Kench games to see how they play. From the runes and build you gave me, I would assume a more passive playstyle of always sticking with your carry with your R ready.
I've spent a lot of time experimenting with the champ, and the last dark tech I found is the following :
HoB/taste od blood/zombie ward/ingenious hunter with Green tree in secondary.
HoB lets you quickly stack your passive to devour an enemy or as a follow up of your W engage. Ingenious hunter is to reduce the sweeper cd so that you have more chances to benefit from zombie ward. It also helps with the build :
Okay so as I said in my previous comment, Iceborn feels good on Tahm (extra cc when you stack your passive).
But the item is expensive. And I want to rush on item before which is... tear !
All right so after tear, I build redemption (increase all your heal/shield strengths, can heal your ally after R, gives you heal to cast one more E when you are low...).
Then, I finish the Fimbulwinter (even if tear stacking can be tedious, the item is cheap, gives a ton of HP and feels amazing on Tahm).
Lastly, I can build Iceborn if the game duration allows me !
So yeah, Ingenious hunter reduces the cd of redemption and allow Fimbulwinter cd to be 5 sec instead of 8. So, you get a shield every 2 Qs that last for 3 sec and then you have your E that last for 2.5 sec, and so on.
The broken part to me is when you can accumulate grey health and not take damages thanks to the item shield so that you can let your E passive heal you.
So I think you've guessed that this build is more based on engage even tho redemption and HoB are good peeling tools !
Sorry for the wall of text.
Anyway, have a great day Coach ; )
@@elTT91 Definitely not passive and sticking to ADC, you need to skirmish and be a psycho. All of my solo queue including Tahm vods are recorded and uploaded for my students to view in SoS, which can be signed up through my Patreon link in the description :)
In which Championclass would you sort in senna? I am looking for an backup pick to her. I do love the range and scaling aspect of her! I am at low plat
I do not speak for them of course but my first inclination would be to class senna as a mage support that just deals physical damage instead of ap. Kind of like an ad lux lol. But then again she scales really hard similar to an enchanter so.
You can treat her as an enchanter in terms of how you’re approaching laning and teamfighting. At the end of the day, how you approach laning phase is roughly separated into ranged vs melee.
Great Video! I rly enjoy Renata the most, she and lulu are my best enchanter but I enjoy Renata so much more. Should i invest more time in Renata? Bcs im low Elo and have problems climbing my friend say I should take another enchanter since she is hard to play and understand.
She is quite clunky. There's no clear-cut answer for you, it's a trade-off. If you really enjoy her she can remain in your pool, especially if you feel like you have impact in your games. Maybe my Renata guide can help you to make the most of her kit too! Reminder that champ pool shouldn't be the first to be addressed, improvement will mainly come from improving your gameplay & mentality. Best of luck!
@@CoachCupcake I watched it already! TY
My pool Thresh Blitz Karma🔥🔥🔥
Hey thx for this super usefull video. I'm in low elo, i highly love thresh and rakan, and i play them since few years. You don't recommand to play these 2 champs cause they are difficult. Should i keep playing them (for the 10/10 enjoyment and 9/10 mastery and pool size) or you think it's better to swap into more simple champ ?
If keep playing thresh/rakan is ok, what advice can you give for a low elo player who play complex champions ?
That’s a decision only you can make. If you love those champions, you are signing a contract agreeing to having a rockier climb/rate of improvement. It also depends how low elo you are, if you’re high gold/low plat it might not be too bad. There’s no advice to be given for low elo on playmakers, you need to learn the game and that will prove more difficult on your champs.
i'm glad to sign that contract, thx for your priceless guidance
1:33 that red knows what enjoyment is
thoughts on zilean in low elo? i find him fun but i struggle a LOT to get any success with him. i feel like im bad at setting up and supporting my allies and they dont know how to play around me at all
Hi Coach Cupcake! I've just (re)discovered you through the Broken By Concept podcast and have been watching your videos avidly! I had a question in regards to my champ pool, Senna more specifically and off-meta champions. Due to IRL stuff I have only been able to play at the start of this season, reaching p4 in 100 games with a 60% wr. 10 of those games were on adc (I thought of role switching but didn't stick to it. I have played Senna for about 54 games with a 65% win rate and renata glasc 16 games and a 75% wr. As I said 10 games on adc and the remaining games are on a bunch of different champions. Il
1. What do you qualify Senna as, since she is so unique, in terms of learning capacity (aka, does she fall into the playmaking category, which in turn should reduce my champ pool size by 1 or not?)
2. I would like to add an off meta pick into the mix. I have been loving orianna with shurelyas and Lissandra with glacial and mandate + evenshroud. Would you condone or encourage this?
Thank you for your time if you do respond to this.
Thanks for the amazing content!
You can treat Senna as an enchanter. Her playstyle isn't unique it's more her build and kiting in the mid-late game that can be very different from normal. I wouldn't classify her as -1 to your champ pool.
Eventually off-meta picks will probably come back to bite you and feel frustrating, unless you REALLY love a specific champ. As long as you're not using weird picks to have fun because you don't find the game or climbing fun in and of itself. This would need a longer discussion with more context tbh but TLDR is to be careful with the motivation behind wanting off-meta.
@@CoachCupcake Thank you for the answer! The reason for the off meta stuff isn't so much that I do it because it's off meta but more because I love orianna (I have played all roles A LOT in normal games with friends) and have found great success playing her as an enchanter to perma speed up the team and have a nice engage ult while also providing adc with 30 mr and armor.
Few days ago i asked a proplayer wich champs should i master if i want to be a good support and his recommendations were: thresh, lulu, rakan, karma and leona or nauti. Since then i dont play other champs, my main were thresh luluand i recognise that rakan is hard to understand but i think thatbif i stuck to this 6 champs pool i will improve over the time. Thanks for your videos.
Your question will be answered in this video. It depends on your elo as detailed in the video, but that is too big a pool imo.
@@CoachCupcake i wrote after watching the video but i dont really know wich champs i can get rid off all of them are good for soloQ but according to your recommendations i should play nauti and leona so i will until platinum at least, thx
In low elo when you say meta doesn't matter does this mean we can play off meta supports? For example I love pantheon but he's not really a "meta" support. Would he be a bad pick for low elo if I have high enjoyment on him?
Yep go for it! Emphasise enjoyment mastery and ease of execution which sounds all good for Pantheon.
Is there a good list some where of champion identity? I see things almost too simplified or with like 15 different categories.
If you want generalizations, I have support class videos as a playlist on my channel. Otherwise every champion is unique in some way, so you'll have to go through them one by one (my champs guide can help!)
Having played support since I started playing more than 5 years ago, I do find it hard to play other roles well or consistently - gold and kill participation is something I lack when I play other roles or I am too scared to make plays. I would generally play enchanters, do you have any tips for people looking to switch roles after such a long time of playing?
There won't be a shortcut to swapping roles, you'll need to commit to a champ and learn the role through reps unfortunately. I'm sure finding some other content creators on these champs or roles will go a long way!
Greetings! I'm new to the game, jungle main, silver 3. I want to play support secondary. I just need a single champion to complement that. Are the champions you mentioned here all good choices? Some of them seem pretty complicated to me.
I missed this comment sorry about that. I recently made a support offrole video that you could check out, otherwise you can't go wrong with one tricking an enchanter offrole!
What if it's off-meta ? I love playing orianna support as an enchantress with shurelya, i climbed from silver to plat 4 and i struggle a bit more now, should i focus on meta enchanter (i also like seraphine enchanter)
Maybe playing enchanter like seraphine,nami, soraka would simplify the climb since they are specifically made for the support role ?
@@popstarseraphine5263 yes, do those champs
Hey coach, i noticed that you have never talked about Senna, and didn't even list her in the champion pool. Is it because she is not as viable as others in higher elo? I really love her and enjoy playing her, do u think i can climb out of plat by playing her most of the games?
She will get harder to climb with the higher elo you get. Masters+ might be especially tricky but it's definitely possible! But yes unpopular and unique champ
Zyra/Leona/Blitzcrank/Nami, I played them for a long time(few seasons) g1-p3, I really like Zyra to get out of hard stuck could I maybe try as you said in the video to add another mage to play with Zyra only till I get to high plat?
I wouldn't add more mages if you're close to high elo unless you really enjoy them and their playstyle. I'd focus more on the rest of the pool personally.
@@CoachCupcake I think you're right, everytime I get near p2-p1 I get a loss streak and I try my mage again but that might be what keeps me stuck so I will focus on the other 3 and play Zyra only when the composition needs a mage.
This is something I have struggled with since picking up the game last year.
Hope this video helps!
When you said avoid playmakers, and my champ pool is Bard, Rakan & Pyke 😎
They are fun and exciting to play I get it haha
hello, can you please tell me how can i book a coaching session?
My coaching links are in the description of all of my videos :) you can see the options through my patreon link: patreon.com/coachcupcake
Any thoughts on Milio for low elo, coach?
Ah I should've added him to the low elo enchanters actually. I think he should be great for low elo.
you're the best
Thanks for watching :)
What about morgana? im ahving very good wr with morgana can she be in my champion pool as a main?
whats the news did she work? becuase I like her too
I listened to this video thinking « Ok my fav champions as for now are Tresh - Renata - Rakan… ».
Then I heard « avoid Tresh - Rakan - Renata » 😅
What game is this
My pool: Viktor/Orianna/Ryze/Azir
I have like 200k mastery on Blitzcrank! Why was he not mentioned??
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Hey, im a silver player i mained jg and switched to supp so i love roaming supp, like Thresh, Pyke, Janna, Alistar and Bard. I tried almost every supp in the game and i still can't bring myself to enjoy other more laning focused supp. Do you think i need to change my pool necessarily or do you think its ok to focus more on fun.
It depends what your goals are. If you want to improve and climb you will need to change your champ pool. You can play 1/2 engagers and roam too, while having more ease of execution and clarity of identity :)
@@CoachCupcake Tnx for advice, ima try climbing with this pool for while and if i get stuck or bored with a champ im gonna follow your advice
@@CoachCupcake Update, I am going to focus on Thresh and Bard, on Pyke i just get unconsistent results and Alistar an low elo at least for me doesnt feel good bc if team doesnt follow no matter how much i tank it doesnt matter. As for Janna im already good at her but if my team sucks i cant do anything so i only use her if im not solo Qing. Tnx for tips btw, but i just dont find engagers fun i like playmaking champs bc it feels so good when you know we won the game bc of your playmaking in team fight.
@@CoachCupcake Btw i love your guides defenetly most helpful supp content creator for me.❤️
Janna?
Cupcake: Play the champs you enjoy most and have most mastery over
Me: great, ill play rell, rakan and renata.
Cupcake: Oh btw you should avoid rakan and renata
Me: * confusion *
Enjoyment and mastery take precedence :) it would be better if they were simpler champs for low elo, but go for it
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can I one trick pyke from silver?
thanks for the contet.
If you want to improve or climb, that is one of the worst decisions you could make. If you just want to have fun, go for it!
What do you tink about this champion pool? Rakan-Thresh-Karma
I missed this comment sorry. It depends on the factors mentioned in the video. Your elo, your enjoyment, mastery etc. if you're high elo and you enjoy them that sounds pretty reasonable, although they do all have vastly different identities so you'd wanna reflect on if that's an issue for you.
Me watching this video:
Champ pool when I joined (Rakan, Thresh, Renata). Hah.
League of legends on hard mode haha
Nahh I´ll go to master with Xerath anyway, mages are the best :D
Definitely possible although not the easiest climb. Good luck haha
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How come there was no talk of senna? As a relatively inexperienced player and new to support I really enjoy her.
I can't talk about every champ, but I wouldn't recommend her as much as the enchanters listed in low elo.
@Coach Cupcake no problem! Just figured she might be mentioned In at least one side of the video. I also didn't know what you would class her as. 👍
How can i go higher if i enjoy my champion so much, yet i get teammates less intelligent than a rock? Gold ELO garbage can.
Seraphine isn't even an enchanter or support.
what?