I'm not sure Buddhism and Marxism are "the same thing at different levels"... maybe. But what is a more useful perspective is, how can Buddhist enlightenment, that is a peaceful and compassionate mind, fully awake to interdependence, be used to actively work towards a revolution of society for better working conditions and ending exploitation of the planet.
There can't be a peaceful transferral of power. No white capitalist is just going to willing give up on his countless privileges so that people can get basic necessities as human beings.
@@biosavat9475 This is not what I meant, there definitely is no question that capitalists and conservatives will give up any power without the use of force on both sides of the class struggle. Even the Buddha supposedly in a past life before he became enlightened, had to kill someone out of peace and compassion, because they were going to become a mass murderer. What I meant was a peaceful and compassionate mind is needed, because if you don't have that, you're not going to be brave enough to risk your skin overthrowing the capitalists.
@@biosavat9475 yes, I would agree. The compartmentalized and individualized ideology of capitalism is inherently against compassion toward anyone other than one's immediate family.
@@hugoscott7092 Capitalism only means that if you want to reduce a complex real world system into narrow minded simple conjectures. Easily refutable conjectures at that. 1. Capitalism does not LITERALLY mean exploitation. Unless by LITERALLY you mean FIGURATIVELY. In no sound definition of capitalism is it's meaning brought forward as being oppression. 2. Profit does not equal exploitation either. 3. "If you want to make profit, do you pay more or less?" More or less than what? I can pay less for something and still make a profit. Have you ever worked in sales? Do you know what a loss leader is? It's something you LOSE money on to make a PROFIT. 4. "If you want to make profit, do you cut down more trees or less?" You don't have to cut down more trees to make a profit. You can make a profit by using the exact same amount of trees or even less, by offering their output in more creative and diverse ways. 5. "If you want to sell more stuff do you want people who are content to live with nature and community?" Possibily... Yes... Because nature goes through cycles and communities tend to get larger as they thrive in harmony with natures cycles. 6. "Or do you want people to be ignorant, fearful and desperate?" This is a question of morals and ethics that comes into play when capitalism is regulated in the real world to prevent monopolies, corporatism and oppression. No one says that capitalism is a perfect system with zero limits. That's just an ideal antithesis for communists to form their worldview on. It may benefit you to think about these issues for MORE than a second.
Capitalism cannot be regulated, because the capitalist state will always serve the interests of the capitalist ruling class, which is to deregulate so that capitalists can make as much profits as possible. Regulations have only come as concessions to working class struggle. And profits are literally exploitation. Profits are the difference between the amount of money paid in wages to the money received for selling goods and services. This money was earned purely off the backs of workers who have nothing to sell but their own labour, while the capitalists gets all the profits for themselves.
@@PrimePhilosophy You sure that capitalism doesn't result to monopoly ? Lol, for example check the companies that were the producers of like um computer parts. You can see the difference in the number of producers in the 50s and compare it to now and them tell me there is no monopoly
@@PrimePhilosophy Here monopoly doesn't necessarily need to be by one company. 2-3 companies that control majority of the market often make deals so that they don't need interfere with each others business.You might have also heard about news of how Starbucks often buys local markets under them and if the local stores don't agree to merge with them, they open stores nearby and drive the local shops out of business. It is sooo transparent that even cartoon shows like South Park are aware of them and have criticised this practise.
@@PrimePhilosophy Capatalism is competitive system. And at the end of the competition, there is a winner. Its in the nature of capitalism to build monopolies.
Thank you so much for this. This is perfect, this is the answer.
Can be compared with Buddhist teaching of similarity of all human kind in physical and mental needs . Not harm to the reality of Buddhism .
I'm not sure Buddhism and Marxism are "the same thing at different levels"... maybe. But what is a more useful perspective is, how can Buddhist enlightenment, that is a peaceful and compassionate mind, fully awake to interdependence, be used to actively work towards a revolution of society for better working conditions and ending exploitation of the planet.
There can't be a peaceful transferral of power. No white capitalist is just going to willing give up on his countless privileges so that people can get basic necessities as human beings.
@@biosavat9475 This is not what I meant, there definitely is no question that capitalists and conservatives will give up any power without the use of force on both sides of the class struggle. Even the Buddha supposedly in a past life before he became enlightened, had to kill someone out of peace and compassion, because they were going to become a mass murderer. What I meant was a peaceful and compassionate mind is needed, because if you don't have that, you're not going to be brave enough to risk your skin overthrowing the capitalists.
@@person-yu8cu makes sense
@@person-yu8cu arguably a compassionate mind is the basis of socialism ( very cut down take)
@@biosavat9475 yes, I would agree. The compartmentalized and individualized ideology of capitalism is inherently against compassion toward anyone other than one's immediate family.
Isn't capitalism meant to be regulated to prevent monopolies etc so that ownership, production and opportunities are available to more people?
@@hugoscott7092 Capitalism only means that if you want to reduce a complex real world system into narrow minded simple conjectures. Easily refutable conjectures at that.
1. Capitalism does not LITERALLY mean exploitation. Unless by LITERALLY you mean FIGURATIVELY. In no sound definition of capitalism is it's meaning brought forward as being oppression.
2. Profit does not equal exploitation either.
3. "If you want to make profit, do you pay more or less?"
More or less than what? I can pay less for something and still make a profit. Have you ever worked in sales? Do you know what a loss leader is? It's something you LOSE money on to make a PROFIT.
4. "If you want to make profit, do you cut down more trees or less?"
You don't have to cut down more trees to make a profit. You can make a profit by using the exact same amount of trees or even less, by offering their output in more creative and diverse ways.
5. "If you want to sell more stuff do you want people who are content to live with nature and community?"
Possibily... Yes... Because nature goes through cycles and communities tend to get larger as they thrive in harmony with natures cycles.
6. "Or do you want people to be ignorant, fearful and desperate?"
This is a question of morals and ethics that comes into play when capitalism is regulated in the real world to prevent monopolies, corporatism and oppression. No one says that capitalism is a perfect system with zero limits. That's just an ideal antithesis for communists to form their worldview on.
It may benefit you to think about these issues for MORE than a second.
Capitalism cannot be regulated, because the capitalist state will always serve the interests of the capitalist ruling class, which is to deregulate so that capitalists can make as much profits as possible. Regulations have only come as concessions to working class struggle.
And profits are literally exploitation. Profits are the difference between the amount of money paid in wages to the money received for selling goods and services. This money was earned purely off the backs of workers who have nothing to sell but their own labour, while the capitalists gets all the profits for themselves.
@@PrimePhilosophy You sure that capitalism doesn't result to monopoly ? Lol, for example check the companies that were the producers of like um computer parts. You can see the difference in the number of producers in the 50s and compare it to now and them tell me there is no monopoly
@@PrimePhilosophy Here monopoly doesn't necessarily need to be by one company. 2-3 companies that control majority of the market often make deals so that they don't need interfere with each others business.You might have also heard about news of how Starbucks often buys local markets under them and if the local stores don't agree to merge with them, they open stores nearby and drive the local shops out of business. It is sooo transparent that even cartoon shows like South Park are aware of them and have criticised this practise.
@@PrimePhilosophy Capatalism is competitive system. And at the end of the competition, there is a winner. Its in the nature of capitalism to build monopolies.