Aladdin lamp experiments with a Coleman mantle instead of a Loxon mantle
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I'm glad you tried. It's food for thought. You have imspired me to try the same with a few mods. It never ceases to amaze me how people are so negative about someone who bothers to take the time and trouble to put a video up. Ignore them.
Gotta try! Never let a lack of skills or knowledge get in your way!
Its a cool idea
Same , great to see someone trying
Did you try the mods and did they work? If they did, could you share what you did? I'm thinking of attempting this too.
You've just shown everyone exactly how not to use an Aladdin lamp, though I do understand why you have tried to use other types of mantels as they are ridiculously difficult to buy at a sensible price.
Owen, I remember from the caravan gas lights days that the mantles were lit with a match to burn them off gently, then they was lit on gas, I think there's you problem. Also note the flame is drawn up the inside of the mantle chimney, the other re purposed mantle did not have the chimney effect, cheers
Always preheat the lamp at its lowest setting for ten minutes and then turn it up slowly over several minutes or you risk shattering the glass. If you think mantels are expensive, that glass will really set you back quite a bit. Mantels no longer contain thorium which made them glow white hot. If you have any Colman lanterns they have mantels in the Philippines that contain thorium.
Did anyone ever get a Coleman gas mantle to work on their Aladdin lamp? If so, video result please..
new mantles aren't radioactive, the older ones contained thorium that is radioactive. they are safe to use and be around, they are only dangerous when you remove them and they crumble and the particles can become air born.
This is the best video i have ever seen on how not to handle an Aladdin oil lamp. Glad your still alive.
Do you expect all experiments to work?
@@bootsowen I never do any experiments without implementing common sense.
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Lighting a mantle (for the first time) inside the chimney is not advisable. 'Burn off' or 'flash over' the mantle outside the chimney. Once the chimneys back on, maintain a small flame until everything heated up to operating temperature... It's the point where the chimney drafts air upward, just like a fireplace chimney. When there's any sign of smoke or soot, it's time to turn down the flame to burn off the residue and whiten the mantle again.
You should only trim your wick after 50 hours. Most people only do it twice a year. It all depends on how much you use it. And the wick should be perfectly flat around. Even a small high spot can effect the flame. Then effecting glow of the mantle. And you should use a lighter or match to burn off the mantle. When you’re lighting its suppose to warm up on for ten minutes on the lowest.
Thanks. I’ll know next time. It’s strange they don’t put the instructions on the box!
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I agree. This is the guy at Aladdin. There are only a few out there.
Thanks for this. Ive jyst got my first Aladdin 23 and mantles are currently £25 each so great to see your experiment. Tje other comments are helpful to for a newbie.
You might have had better luck with the Coleman mantle if you hadn't massively over fired it immediately. The reason it was all black was that it was covered in soot, as the chimney was about to be. The solution to this is to turn the flame down, not up, and let it slowly burn off.
So great you are expecting. I have three Aladdin oil lamps.
You should of burnt it off before you put it in. It needs a blue flame for it to produce a incandescent light.
I realise that now
Great attempt! Shame it didn't work so well, as these Aladdin mantles are so expensive now
I haven't tried it yet I've been told that paint like consistently of plaster used to paint the mantles to the lower frame will hold it. You might try burning the mantle before using fuel.
Very interesting experiment. Thank you for trying. My aladdin lamps are wonderful, but the mantles are too expensive to use them much.
By the way, you sound exactly like Michael Tsarion.
Always burn the mantle when you fit it before you put the chimney on. The impact from the explosive non-burned off mantle contained the blow that damaged it.
Good try but I think you should light the mantel outside with the glass removed. Keeping the flam low. Then placing the glass on and allowing it to gently warm up over several minutes. I am amazed the glass did not crack when you suddenly turned up the flame.
You are right, lots of people have said the same thing!
Great video and thanks for trying the Coleman. I believe the mantle broke during the concussion of the ignition of it. I always burned off the mantle by match, starting at a single edge. No poof, no broken mantle.
Thanks. I was just giving it a go. I would do it differently if I was fitting a new mantle again.
@@bootsowen And thank you for doing that! Much more than what I've tried. This video actually got me thinking, I have an Aladdin #11 and it needs a mantle, so I ordered one and threw in a new wick to boot. I am also currently looking into large lantern mantles to potentially try the same thing. Those Aladdin mantles are expensive! Keep tinkering and doing these videos!
You must light the new mantel with it off the lamp or off the gallery.then install it on very carefully.turn the wick up just a liy at a time as to let it heat up slowly.to fast and it will smoke the mantle.turn dark spots
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I've tried using a gas mantle on one of my Aladdin lamps, it failed as it was just too soft to hold itself up, that and the airflow through it wasn't enough to keep the blueflame effect going, so didn't even illuminate properly...
Also, the mantles on Aladdin lamps twist-lock in place, not snap on, hence their "Loxon" (I.E. Locks-on) name... :)
Please let your Aladdin lamp burn for about 5-10 minutes on super low flame before you turn the heat up. And just turn it up gradually. If you don’t carefully raise the heat it won’t burn cleanly, your mantle will get covered in soot and the whole thing will start smoking. Ruining the mantle in the process.
It’s best on all types of mantles to burn the mantle with a lighter before you apply a fuel source to it. Gas mantles will not burn fully and will often get damaged from pressure of the gas. So again, please burn the mantles before turning the lantern on or setting the gallery onto the burner. This will also minimize smoke.
I have tried this several times...with absolutely NO success!
What you are doing wrong is...1 that little coleman mantle is not long enough. so you'll have to lower it about a half inch. 2. do not light the mantle inside the lamp. Light it before you put the gallery of the lamp back together .... Yes definitely Light it outside so you don't fill your home with smoke.
You burn the blue off before installing it, with a match at the top
Hindsight being what it is!
Is it possible that the pressure from the the gas lamps flame keeps the gas type mantles in shape? Therefore you need a stiff mantle for the Aladdin lamps as its just a rising flame ! I have looked for alternatives as Aladdin mantles are now £25 making them and kerosene £2.5 - 3.00 a litre. It's no longer cheap to run one of these. If I'm wrong let me know.
I guess if you can't get electricity or gas then maybe it is still worth it. But I agree that the mantles are too expensive.
I have recently tried the same. The Coleman mantles shrink too much and end up sitting too high above the burner flame, and equally important is the opening at the top of the mantle needs to be larger for air flow through it...which is why your attempt ran sooty rich.
I've also tried to concoct a substance to coat the mantle cloth, let dry, then burn off with the hope of leaving a well formed ash behind (the way Aladdin mantles are made). They have a process not easily replicated.
I was thinking that egg whites might work for this purpose.
I believe it to be nitrocellulose that coats the yttrium doped lattice. There may be a wax like component to the coating as well. You might try a coating made from liquid bandage, which is mainly nitrocellulose in a volatile solvent that will quickly evaporate after application. You could even add more yttrium oxide to the coating material in an attempt to increase the heat to light conversion efficiency. Please let me know if this works!
The Aladdin website specifically says not to use liquid paraffin... only Aladdin lamp fuel (totally odorless), or K-1 Kerosene... surprised to see you using liquid paraffin...
...also, they say to burn off the coating on the mantles with the flame of a match, touching the top of the mantle and letting it burn down the mantle by itself, then replacing the chimney after the coating has burned off, not by placing it directly over the lamp flame, as burning it off over the lamp flame can break the mantle, as happened to the bottom of yours...
They also warn against turning your flame up until you've allowed the lamp to warm up initially with only 1/2 the mantle glowing for 20 minutes over a low flame... the mantle will increase it's glowing all by itself during that time as the lamp heats up, and after that it can be adjusted if it's over-firing at that point by turning down the flame which will burn off any dark spots of the mantle that have formed before adjusting it to it's optimum brightness without any flames appearing above the mantle after that...
I just bought two Aladdin Shelf Lamps, and following these procedures they worked great after I assembled them and tried them out for the first time...
Kerosene is a type of Paraffin oil, which is just the broader term of petroleum products of that type. You do not need to purchase expensive Aladdin brand paraffin oil for the lamps to work correctly or even optimally. I use regular clear Kerosene or generic Paraffin oil and there is no problem with my lamp's functioning. I have tried 3 different Aladdin lamps and 2 different center draft lamps all with great success. There may be some brands that are more or less refined, but today, all clear kerosenes and paraffin oils are up to snuff for burning in these lamps as they were used to burning on lower quality kerosenes in their time anyway so this argument makes no sense. Any issues you experience with these lamps are due to mechanical issues, airflow going where it shouldn't go, etc, not a fuel issue. They can burn whale oil if you really want, even some vegetable oils can work (though it is not recommended)
You will clog up your burner if you use any fuel that is parrafin or wax based. You should only use Aladdin Kerosene or a 1-K high grade clean/clear (no dye) kerosene. 🌻
Thanks for the tips!
Nonsense
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Thanks for sharing an interesting experiment. I think I detected an Irish accent and was wondering if you filmed this in IRL? The reason I ask is that one of the other comments from INM TV suggested you use Aladdin kero or 1-K , neither of which ( to my knowledge) are available in Ireland. Certainly not where I live. I resorted to purchasing premium grade paraffin at the extortionate price of €27 per gallon. The mantle is also vey expensive. I wanted to get one of my Aladdins working to give as a gift to my daughter who lives on a canal boat in UK. There is an interesting video on CZcams by Jeff Hall who uses his adapted Aladdin to light and heat a canal boat.
I lived in Ireland I. The past. These lamps run fine on kero from the petrol pump. If you want to experiment you could run some kerosene through a cat litter filter. The price you paid was very high. I like to have a number of redundancies in terms of light heat and water. Electric is the cheapest by far for light. A solar panel, battery and led will give more light than a kerosene lamp.
You have this your best shot with the Coleman mantle. You deserve at least an attaboy for your efforts. Maybe next time you will read instructions on lamp first before attempting to light the original mantle. I think you are on right track, just needore time
You had way too much flame to set the mantle o. It. Start veryow
I have a lamp like this but the mantles now are 35 quid! anyone know of any oil lamps similar style that give a good light?
None in oil. Camping gaz lights are pretty good. The price of mantles is crazy!
If you live in the UK or it’s territories they crucify you with a stupid import tax that is probably 50%. There was a company in Germany that stocked the mantels.
Try a Tilley lamp
I would recommend burning the mantle (for the first time) in open air, it allows it burn more completely and evenly leaving it completely white (not partially grey) Second, do not turn up the flame more than letting it be blue. It takes time to heat up and should not be made to glow right away. If it is being made to glow from yellow flame, you will eventually combust the mantle and it will turn black. Blue flame only. After some time, the interior of the bowed part of the chimney will get hot enough to "incandesce" the mantle. You do not want to burn your mantle, it smells HORRIBLE and nobody should ever breath that stuff.
You make no sense. Warmup is right, but your burning comment is wrong. The cotton or whatever flammable material must indeed be fully burned off at first use, carefully. After that, there's literally nothing to burn, it's just (often thorium radioactive) inflammable ash.
How you been watching technology connections ?
Don't think so.
@@bootsowen watch these two videos and tell me what you think
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Flashing a new Aladdin mantle burns the doped fabric and leaves a yttrium oxide ceramic.
The mantle must NOT be touched. More info here: czcams.com/video/7v4rDApXx0w/video.html
Still lots of radioactive...doped with Thorium 232, mantles available. Everyone should own a geiger counter...🤣...
Apparently greatest risk comes from loose particles being inhaled or ingested.
Been told that the orange boxed ones are radioactive & the red not, but I'd want to confirm first with the GM counter.
Just wondering WHY the Aladdin specific mantles are so expensive, where the cheapest I've seen are around £35 each!!!, which is extortionate. Are they not manufactured any more OR is the demand so high, because of world events starting a couple of years ago?
In my view they are a complete ripoff and would guess Aladdin makes about 500% profit on these things. Surprised this company is still in business.
Yes they are expensive. But they are still in daily use here with the Amish people here in the Ozarks. Our local hardware store stocks the mantles, wicks, and other parts.
Read all the instructions
I have toyed with the Idea of making a ceramic shaped cone as a mold and making the mantles from 100% silk cheese cloth or cotton Glauze dipped in Yittium and slowly Roasted in an oven or even starting with a large "Peerless Brand Mantle" which are MUCH stronger than Coleman (new Coleman mantles are CRAP!) in my experience
Cool, where would you get Yttrium from?
Right off the bat you did it wrong. You don’t burn off a mantle with the wick. NOPE.
Have to wonder why some enterprising Chinese copycat specialist hasn't put out a superior product at 20% of the price of these ripoff Aladdin products, as they are so adept at doing elsewhere. The only thing these Aladdin lamps have going for them is they look great, and have the corner on the market with these price gouging, finicky mantles.
Yeah? Maybe China preferred pressure petrol lamps like Coleman or something.
Way, way too fast! You must protect the mantle - should last over three months with daily use. Burn off the blue protective coating with a match, BEFORE fitting the chimney. Then light the wick and turn it right down. Fit the gallery, chimney and mantle assembly. Allow everything to warm up to an equal temperature for three to four minutes. Finally turn up the wick incrementally to full incandesce over 10 to fifteen minutes, or more. If you spot any black marks (burning) appearing turn the wick back down until they disappear, then continue turning the wick up gradually. Should then be set up for hours of light. If you find burn marks on the mantle after extinguishing the lamp, they can often be made to vanish the next time you light the lamp, if you take your time. Life was slow back in the day! I have three of these Aladdin lamps. They are still made in the USA and new parts can still be purchased. A mantle is now £25! I get mine from: jmoncrieff.co.uk .When my Dad left the RAF we had to live in an old railway carriage, no electricity, while we waited to be allocated a council house. Good practice for what may be to come. I also have an Aladdinette 11 Paraffin heater. I only use lamp oil in the lamps and the heater. Lamp oil is also initially expensive to buy now, but, over time, still dirt cheap, compared to electricity and gas! Good video. Thank you.