What Koenigsegg Jesko's New Record Can Teach the Entire Car Industry
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- Koenigsegg just broke a world record with their Jesko Absolut hypercar. They managed to get from 0 - 400 kmh to 0 again in 27.83 seconds. I-ll let that sink in for a second.
0 - 400 kmh or 248mph was done in 18.82 seconds. That is less time than it takes the Honda Civic Type R, which is by no means a slow car to get to 200 km/h.
This very record of 0-400-0 was taken from Koenigsegg in May of 2023 by the Rimac Nevera. that managed to do the feat in 29.93. Of course Koengisegg couldn’t let that stand so just a month later they took their hybrid hypercar Regera to a smoother runway put more extreme tires on it and posted a time of 28.81.
That record stood until this week when the Jesko managed to do 27.83.
Of course, the Koenigsegg Jesko costs 3 million dollars so this kind of performance is expected and this record would be just another feat of uber expensive hypercar upmanship if the previous two record holders were not a hybrid and a battery electric vehicle.
The Jesko is not a hybrid, it has nothing but a mid-mounted internal combustion engine to drive the wheels and it has less power than both of the previous record holders.
So how did the Jesko manage to beat the record? Wll if the answer was not more power, than it must be less mass. Because by having less mass to lug around you can accelerate and decelerate faster. And indeed the Jesko is 910 kilograms lighter than the Rimac and 200 kilograms lighter than the Regera.
And how do you become lighter? By becoming more simple. For a hypercar of this day and age the Jesko is remarkably simple. Unlike the Rimac which has an electric motor on each wheel, the Jesko only drives the rear wheels. And it has no clever crankshaft mounted or wheel shaft mounted electric motors like in the Regera. There are no e-turbos either. The only battery is the 12 volt one and the Aero is inactive…no clever moving wings , just two solid fixed winglets in the back.
Of course it still needs big power to achieve crazy speeds but the approach to power is kinda old school too. 5.0 liter flatplane V8 with two giant turbos and a remarkably low compression ratio for this day and age. Just 9:1. Why so low? So they could stuff 2.2 bar boost down the throat of each cylinder bank.
And that’s it. Of course there’s all the carbon and the clever suspension and the uber clever transmission. But overall, compared to the previous record holders the Jesko adopts the approach of Less is More…an approach the rest of the auto industry, and even the world seems to have forgotten.
The Jesko had a goal. The goal was more acceleration, reaching a top speed faster and them coming to a stop from that top speed more quickly. It achieved this goal by shedding everything that it didn’t need and perfecting everything it did need.
The auto industry today, and many other industries also have a goal. At least they claim to have a goal. And that goal is the reduction of emissions. The reduction of our carbon footprint.
So if our goal is to emit less of something, wouldn’t Jesko’s approach of less is more be applicable here?
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I HAVE ONE REALLY SIMPLE CAR. TO THE DAILY CHORES. IT USES A FIAT FIRE ENGINE. IT DOES 12,5 KM/L.
BUT LETS BE HONEST, ISNT THAT EASY, BECAUSE OF LACK OF CONFORT.
There are cars like that checkout maruti 800, also some tech are necessary ex: heated/cooled seats in cold/tropic regions, but stupid tech is definitly unnecessary
Why is it that small single cylinder engines never seem to exceed 650cc
I know of the zabel 700cc two stroke and a few other examples but in a broad spectrum it seems there is a reason and may make a good subject on a video
I would have thought the entry models from Dacia would fill your spec pretty well.
For commuting though, in the uk, 50kph would be more than enough for most city dwellers. Chances are they won't break 40 except on school holidays.
As for small uncomplicated cars, I still miss my Smart Roadster. Had a few gadgets like heated seats and air con but not too complex. It was a hoot to drive too as I could feel like I was ragging the car around and not have to destroy the speed limit to do so.
Bro dreamed up a car, and basically theorized a 4 seat Miata without the convertible mechanism
With all the power
@@kurlyfry7916 lightweight and simple Cobra 427 replica - I'would buy one, but they are expensive as fuarrrrk
fiat panda, Citroën ax, Peugeot 205, Renault 5
Nah man, a Mitsubishi Mirage
Nah, more like a Suzuki Alto or Ignis
YES TO ALL OF THIS. I am so tired of tech, especially in cars.
The Jesko has more tech than most cars
Edit: nevermind, I watched the rest of the video, yeah I want simplicity and less electronics too
I feel like people say this, but I for example, want more tech, and I would imagine most people are voting with their wallets, and the basic cars aren't selling (is my guess)
@@Richardlizhu wrong guess. there is big second hand market for people who dont want tech.
@@jebise1126 Well I guess that's the thing right? If they're only buying 2nd hand cars and not new cars, then the car makers have no incentive to make those cars. I personally also only buy 2nd hand haha, but I like my backup cameras and apple carplay
Such cars actually do exist, but only people with limited budget are buying them. Everyone talks how they would like such car, but in reality they don't buy those cars.
Those cars exists. I ordered a Suzuki Swift. 950 kg. 1.2 aspirated angine. I also have an NB 1.8. The basic of driving, a rev happy engine, short gear transmission, tons of feedback from the steering wheel, rwd, 50/50. For me, perfection.
Also mazda 2, 950 kg and 1.5 na engine with 75hp, only a very small screen and basically no features except power windows and a reverse camera
he's talking about new cars, I love the old miata's but stuff like that doesn't come out
Suzuki sj410 4wd 1.0L 46hp 870kg 1984
rwd in swift??
@@mychamycha27 that is what is surprising me
I currently live in a rural area, and drive a 10 year old Ford Transit, with a 100 hp diesel engine. I can't overstate to convenience of being able to transport just about anything, and do my own maintenance. No bells and whistles, but reliable and simple.
I have been saying this for a long time. Even electric cars. No screens, just normal gauges. Solid construction, rust mitigation, durability, and designed for maintenance. Light, cheap, simple, and stays on the road for years. It'll never happen.
What about GPS ?
@@catinthehat5140your damn phone is the GPS.
It's already on the market for ages. It's called commercial vehicle. Simple no frills or gimmick and built to last enduring tough use. Just buy one to daily commute 😂
@@ardijanuar2036 No, they are designed for heavy weights and dings. This means that they are heavy, and they are cheap to purchase *in bulk*. The efficiency for private customers is not that good.
@@catinthehat5140you already have the best GPS & Entertainmenr system in your pocket right now
“Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.” ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Sadly I think most every consumer these days would only remove this quote from their lives to make room for "more".
Great quote !! Never heard that before. 🚀
Noted
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry. Author of "the little prince". was also a pilot of the french post between Africa and France, died in a plane-accident.
So......perfection is everyone riding around on unicycles?
I'm jk.
I'm a keen road cyclist and what car people don't know is, new production bicycles suffer from the same issues as cars described in this video: we now have electronic shifting, hydraulic disc brakes, fully integrated cockpits and wiring, road bikes with electric motor etc. New bikes have never been so expensive (> $3,000 for amateurs), difficult to maintain / repair and also they have become heavier, especially the electric ones. It's completely against the initial concept of a bike: lightweight, easy to use and repair and the health aspects of moving with your muscles alone.
Sadly the same is happening too for motorcycles since around 2010.
I’m in the same boat as you, also a road cyclist and I absolutely despise disc brakes on road racing bikes. E-bikes, gravel bikes and mountainbikes… absolutely fine with them. Not high performance road bikes tho, absolutely not.
the same has happened in mountain biking, electric shifters, electric motors, air shocks, internal cable routing through the frame, remote lockouts for shocks, dropper posts with remote lockouts... especially things like electronic shifting makes zero sense in mountainbikes since the derailleurs are so often replaced due to damage caused by smashing it into rocks.
Hydraulic disc brakes are just superior.
Unless you are trying to get ultimate aero they stop better and offer far more modulation of braking force.
Also a longer lifespan when you consider the rotors are easy to replace vs needing new wheels.
@@stfu6397 oh yes, the worst that ever happened to bikes - working brakes that dont shoot you into cars when you panic and use them with decent strenght
My respect for you has increased tenfold. I'm so grateful for you for voicing out my concerns through this video. You're the 1st CZcamsr that I've ever contributed to. Hats off.
Christian von Koenigsegg is an absolute engineering genius. Not to mention a legendary perfectionist. Mainstream automakers need to be watching him and his team closely.
They'll never because they only exist to make a profit and exploit as much as possible.............CVK only exist to live his dream with no limits and imaginary achievements personified in reality. I don't think money has ever been his goal, if he builds it they will come.
Imagine the other car makers we spent $Billions on research and yet this guy does this on a shoestring?
I think the biggest and most important lesson to learn from Elon Musk, is that you shouldn't describe someone at the head of a company as a genius at anything.
Sure, maybe Christian is an engineering genius. But what is far more likely is that he hires people who are really good at their job (engineering) and really good thinking outside of conventions.
Maybe everything in the Koenigsegg TFG from idea, to design, to engineering prototypes, to final product was 100% done by Christian. Maybe he simply asked his engineers "we have this Freevalve system, how small could we make an engine if we want it to make 600 hp?" and his engineers did everything else. We don't know.
But I, for one, don't want to see him go down the Elon Musk route of spewing absolute nonsense to his fanboys with no one willing to correct him on it. E.g.
> Due to the nature of Cybertruck, which is made of bright metal with mostly straight edges, any dimensional variation shows up like a sore thumb.
> All parts for this vehicle, whether internal or from suppliers, need to be designed and built to sub 10 micron accuracy.
> That means all part dimensions need to be to the third decimal place in millimeters and tolerances need be specified in single digit microns. If LEGO and soda cans, which are very low cost, can do this, so can we.
> Precision predicates perfectionism.
> Elon
electrek.co/2023/08/23/elon-musk-lego-cybertruck-quality-leaked-tesla-email/
@@MrMartinSchou I've met both Elon and Christian. One has always been a petulant twit, while the other, despite his family's heritage, is not. (Full disclosure: I'm related to Christian by marriage.) One of the big differences is humility. Christian is a brilliant engineer, and he's in this for the challenge of making rolling works of mechanical art. He always has been. He is not known to play politics, be self-aggrandizing, or in any way egotistical. I think those qualities ate unlikely to change. A few years ago when I was in Ängelholm, he had a group of schoolchildren visit the factory for a visit. Christian patiently explained everything in terms they could understand, even getting down on the floor with them. I can't imagine that from Elon. Not to mention the fact that Elon has patented nothing and engineered nothing.
Well his engineers is, it's not like he personally came up with everything on that car. I agree he's a visionary, unlike Elon musk who's a total fraud.
Send this to everyone with any amount of power in the automotive industry.
Trust me, this is the LAST thing they care about. Its all about squeezing profit out.
They are at the mercy of those in power in DC.
We need to focus on removing that power from them.
There is ZERO justification for any sort of auto regulation in the constitution that all of our elected officials swear an oath to uphold.
@@spinnetti this goes for the majority of professions. most people are only working for money so they gonna do whats gonna get them the most of it
so they can throw it into the bin?
RFK is probably your best option
Let's take a look at the obligatory insurance in case of a accident: cars that weigh like two tons will just crush a 900 kilo Skoda, shouldn't they have to pay significantly more for excess weight?
Great video! As an automotive engineering student I have to say this is my favourite youtube channel and I think this is my new favourite video of this channel. Keep it up!!
Some day you might make his points int reality
my aunt still drives her civic hatch that she bought brand new in 89. 300k+ miles, 30+ mpg, great visibility, hauls groceries... pretty efficient use of metal and plastic if you ask me!
My father still daily drives his 87 accord hatchback that he bought new. 360+ miles and almost 40mpg, with a carburetor! Neither the motor nor the trans has been apart besides clutch and timing belt replacements
Simplify then add lightness.
Colin Chapman was a genius
Koenigsegg is a 4 million+ of simplified lightness lol
@@phukfone8428 so far ahead of the time
Chapman is spinning so fast in his grave right now... that Eletre thing... ugh...
@@ardijanuar2036Koenigsegg is basically very high power stuck into light cars. The engine and trans are likely 300kg on a koenigsegg, and there is a bunch of "regular" materials used in it. Check out the Spyros Chaos, it's cheer madness.
The Jesko is not simple, but it’s sophisticated. The engineering of the gearbox and the weight reduction measures alone are insane! It’s a car designed holistically from the ground up.
💯💯💯
Absolutely agree 100%. Which is why I drive a 10-year-old Lotus Elise S. It has a 1.8 litre supercharged Toyota engine, the car weighs virtually nothing, costs very little to run and it's great fun!
That's my dream car.
As the owner of a small lightweight dog I can confirm whippets are useless at tricks
I remember when i stumbled upon your channel because i was interested in your Aw11 Mr2. (around 30k subs)
You've made so much of this channel! Please never sell out. This is my favourite automotive yt channel
jo... JOOOOOO!!!! I didn't realise that he got over a million subscribers. I guess I found this channel at around the same size as you did and always watched the videos but never paid attention to the subscriber count.
@@Blockbuster2033 i did notice the sub count rising and I think when he dropped all the boost school videos the increase was the highest
Wow that's really early. I found him when he was in the low 6 figures. So unique the technical breakdowns and just a gem in every way.
This is why i love this channel you present the facts in a clear and understandable way and as a mechanic whos been in this industry for almost 15 years i agree
We need a Open Hardware car. Build from the community, for the community.
Parts that can be easily 3d printed, not mirrored parts (mirrors, lights, glasses, door handles etc) for cutting the production cost down. Open hardware means that you can have free access on technical documentation, CAD files, every information you need and improve the current design, make it better for everyone.
Companies goal, is to make more money. Nothing more.
Great video!!!
We really need to make a push with legislation for more transparency. Cars are the biggest surveillance tools there are and they are the least private place you could possible be. Carmakers secretly take all your data and sell them.
Right to repair, open source, no more lies.
I love this idea. I would love to buy the plans for an old engine to bring back and produce. Which - non interference, maybe gear timing like the old Volvos.
I love my 98 corolla. I bought it used for $2K in 2010. It will go forever. Manual locks, mirrors, windows.
I would love a golf-cart-simple electric vehicle. I don't want it to do 0-6 in less than 8 seconds. I don't want it to sync with my phone or be able to redundantly do all the things my phone already does.
Dacia Spring
E golf
Nissan leaf
Eqs 450+ 4matic hyperscreen michelin pilot sport s, carbon ceramics, with brabus bodykit, nappaleather interior, max spec
That'll never happen again because an alarm needs to have power windows power door locks.
An insurance companies will never insure a car that doesn't have at least a rudimentary anti-theft system
Congratulations!
Finally someone that really speaks what people should hear about the hypocrisy of the 2000's car buyers.
All car buyers are hypocrites or just the ones who want a car like this?
The Japanese found out the hard way in the 90s that most people don't buy new and those that do weren't buying their cars, in America mainly, this saw them pivot from the 90s simple cars to add more "features" as that's how you sell to American car owners and now this has over taken the whole market. The type of person that buys new buys it for it being "better" than older cars so "features" became the way of doing this. Plus Features justified higher prices as cars became cheaper to build. The car he describes isn't profitable as you are competing for the type of customer who would buy a 10-20 year old car and doesn't want to buy new. This may change in 10 years when the last of the 90s cars become unaffordable and collectable but at least until then they likely won't sell
And also the 90's car buyers. Except in the US global warming was a thing at that time and the trend was big 4x4 cars and monospaces.
This kind of concept is kinda why I ended up buying a shitty hyundai accent last time I went car shopping. Very few bells and whistles, just four doors and 50mpg. The downside is that because it's meant to be a cheap car, the engineering and materials are cheap. The steering rack is about as robust as a paper bag and it broke going over a pothole at 25mph. They only seem to make these kinds of no-frills cars for cheap people with cheap expectations, so the standards are bottom-of-the-barrel. I think a lot of people want to be able to buck this trend, but what options do they have? There's very little middle-ground. It's either disposable or gargantuan.
love you big dog. keep up the good work!
Spot on video and insights on the issue for sure
There was a reason the TOYOTA Corolla was the world's best selling car for years.
it's the best selling car ever.
But not in America. That title goes to the Ford F-150
@@mrsoisauce9017Emphasis on the world.
@@mrsoisauce9017the world isn't America
It's not.
part of why I love my daily driver, manual door locks, manual windows, manual transmission, no ABS, no traction control, and it does exactly what I need it to do, and very reliably.
Except for the transmission, those are all things modern cars have that have almost no reliability issues, you're just missing out on convenience and safety. It gets old imo.
@@TheFPSPower I recall someone in a Tesla or some such EV being locked inside their car because the battery had died, since the door locks were just switches to an electric motor, they wouldn't function, locking her inside. Instead of a metal rod attached to the door lock, companies will opt to save a fraction of a penny with a bit of wiring and a switch. Something also tells me you haven't gone through the headache of replacing a window motor or regulator... These are things I never have to deal with on my daily. Plus learning to actually drive without relying on ABS or traction control forces you to have proper pedal control, which makes a better driver. fewer systems to fail generally means less failures. If people want such features, I say let them have those things, but the options for newer vehicles for people like me that don't want those features are zero.
@@SaxaphoneMan42 Tesla is an outlier because they dont use the door lever as the redundant physical opener, others do not do this. Power door locks does not have to mean you get locked out, that's just bad design.
I have replaced a Window motor actually, it's not that hard, just pop it out and pop the new one in and I know its VERY hard to fix manual window levers, they are not actually more reliable or easier to fix, sorry to tell you.
ABS is one of those things you THINK makes you a better driver until you have a sudden emergency and your monkey brain has no time to think "pedal control" and you just slam the brakes and just keep sliding. Ask me how I know, I drove without ABS for years and nearly shit myself when someone suddenly pulled in front of me and the wheels just locked up.
Easy to talk when you have time to think, when you don't you'll wish you had ABS, it has saved me from a very bad situation with a heavy truck on a road with a fuel spill downhill.
Traction control I dont give a shit about, but I don't live in snow climates where they are essential.
I'll take ABS and traction control, because ABS adds safety and if it fails you still have normal brakes, and traction control is good if you have tons of power, also because safety. That's not to say I haven't had a completely "analog" car as a daily driver and liked it.
@@samiraperi467 I mean there's nothing wrong with a person for wanting those things, personally though, if it were optional, I would go without it. IMO if you can't control the power of a vehicle, you shouldn't be driving it, with or without added safety devices.
thanks for another great video hope u are doin well.cheers!
So true! Thank you for the content
in terms of simplicity, cars like said in the video topic, have been around for quite a while now, dacia, once you sit in it, you instantly understand that it's just a car, that works. james may would be proud reading this, also possibly anyone working for dacia
nah... that was few years ago. not any more. now they got all flashy and all. 20+ years ago it was the same with škoda.
Apparently these exist for most cars, even bmws with wind up windows in Germany. It just needs to be more widespread
Oh no...anyway last week we have checked out the new Maserati....
Well, when I sat in 2019 Dacia Logan I immediately wanted to quit due to how uncomfortable it is. And my daily was an old beaten Skoda Octavia mk1 in base trim with manual everything except steering and no A/C. But maybe a more ergonomic seat would make that Dacia more appealing.
Dacia is dead. The Spring is insanely expensive and the Duster is now horribly bloated with "features". The upcoming Bigster will be worse. The best simplest cars today are Hyundai i10 and Kia Picanto. A base model i30 or Ceed for €20k is also great.
Thanks for this one, mr. D4a. I am a customer without a product. That's why I still drive my 86 aw11 mr2. Nobody makes a product that is small and simple anymore. And it really makes me sad.
Mitsubishi mirage and dacia duster: am i a joke to you?
@@chiefdenis Dacia Duster is not simple.
@@johnnyblue4799 if that's not simple enough for you, there's also the suzuki alto and suzuki spresso for roughly 5k dollars
@@chiefdenisThe Dacia Duster wasn't simple before and now it is absolutely ruined with how bloated it is. The best simple vehicles are Hyundai i10, base model i20, base model i30 and Land Cruiser 70 Series (that is not efficient though and in most markets bloated with crap sadly).
Great content! I couldn't agree more!
Fantastic Video!
That was brilliant. I am a design engineer, my girlfriend has an Aygo. That car has done an average fuel economy of 73mpg over a two year period. I am very impressed, especially as it is driven fast. I have a convertible mini Cooper. Also super economical. You have to drive this car fast.
May 1975 Cadillac got approximately 6 mi to the gallon, if I threw a bunch of friends in & drove "funly"
73mpg is like 3,55lt/100km (gazoline), Its brother, the Citroen C1 manages under 3lt/100km (the diesel-version), so, nearly 10% less... Or 5€/100km...
Car companies are more interested in the stock price than pushing practical solutions to consumers. An electric car that weighs 6000 lbs and goes 0-60 in 2 seconds makes me gag.
Uber-unrational amount of torque allows this.
ah yes 6k pounds
so around 6k dollars ? not that expensive
@@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme 6000 livres, c'est 7150 dollars à la louche, mais là, on parle du poids en livre (soit 450gr environ), et non de la livre sterling, qui est la monnaie britannique !
and then the also claim to be saving the planet!
@@dodenmanniskan8846 i'm aware of that since he said weighs
donc pèse donc je me doutais bien qu'il parlait de poid/masse mais c'est sympa so thank you anyways
Love it!! Great video and I agree with everything you said here.
Well, as an automotive journalist I can say only one thing about this: that car exists, but it seems like everybody forgot about it.
It's a Suzuki Swift in its last generation and basically has everything you're talking about. I know 994 kg is not 800, but it's really not that bad. It has new 1,2l DualJet engine (naturally aspirated, 3 pistons and hella lot of compression ratio and 40 percent thermal efficiency), really small and lightweight mild-hybrid drivetrain (some 0,036 kWh under the driver's seat) and basically you can run on the highwayish 130 km/h for around 4,6 l/100 km with 5spd manual (precise as hell, reminds me of the first skoda fabia). Not exceeding 115 km/h you can easily get to 3,8 or so. And it has all the bells and whistles and finally even also some sound insulation that Suzuki apparently hated so much last few years. Handles very well (indeed), doing proper moose test around the track, it was very close to fabulous last gen Honda Civic. Oil filter the same as Peugeot 106 and it's making 98-99 g CO2 in combined WLTP. Testing it last week, i was stunned. Finally something different! So if you can, get your hands on one and try it! You'll be smiling ear to ear... as I was. :D
But that being said, it's a pity that Suzuki is apparently the only one doing this kind of stuff for the European market. And last but not least, i really really appreciate your work. A++ stuff, really!
Take an MX5/Miata, extend the wheelbase just enough so it can seat 4 people, make it a hadtop/liftback so you can actually use the trunk and remove all electric windows, mirrors, seats, etc. I just need air conditioning, a radio and cruise control. That's it, perfect car.
A Mazda 3 hatchback with no power options then?
I doubt Mazda ever imagined how long the interest would last for the MX5. It has proved to be such a fantastic platform for what was mocked as just a well off hairdresser's car (to replace their Ford Capri).
I'll pass on the A/C and cruise control.
Cruise control can be done without but A/C is an absolute must in many areas.
@toddsmith8608 " oh well now I need a backup camera " .....
another great video. if you would work at a university, I would go there just because you are there.
You have inspired me. I have gained some inspiration from you and I shall try and push this movement forward
Love the rant.
Admittedly a Japan-exclusive, but I'd argue the Daihatsu Mira e:S is pretty much that:
-starts at 860.000 Yen inc. VAT (about 4.950 Euros 5.300 Dollars)
-weighs in at 650 kg
-gets 4l/100km WLTC
-luxury features are limited to aircon, power steering, power windows, and a 2DIN slot for a headunit of your choice
Why does a small light car need powersteering? Power windows? Reach over and wind them down it's small enough.
I drive a Daihatsu Cuore L276 (mira) from 2008. Sadly you cant get newer Daiahtsu's anymore here, i would love the have a newer one.
@@SuperKoe When they made a one off car for crash testing with thicker steel and additional bracing welded into it you have to wonder how safe the production ones were.
Looks quite similar to the Maruti 800, the most popular car in India in the 90s. Tiny, light, cheerful car.
power windows are lighter cheaper and more convenient
Hear hear!
My wife had an aygo. Loved driving it. Took it all over Scotland and, like you say, it didn't break. Mpg was magical. You make a very valid point and, it's all down to profit isn't it!
One of the most insightful videos I have ever seen
The second generation Citroen C1 actually fits this description excellently. It weighs 800 something kg, has a microscopic engine, nothing in the interior other than the true basics. It still has A/C, Bluetooth and everything you'd ever need, but it was cheap to buy new and even cheaper to run. It suffers from being not well engineered, the engine is shit, the gearbox is shit, the steering is shit. But nonetheless it remains a great car that can do anything you ask it to.
Well, the C1 is the the exact same car as the Aygo, just with a Toyota badge.
@@utharaptortrex Also the same as the Peugeot 108
Sorry but I disagree, that engine is a very good engine, and the steering is nice, maybe you have driven a car with a devious past.
...aaaaaand is discontinued ... Just like its brother, the Aygo...
I used to work for a car leasing company who managed the fleet for g4s (UK) and they bought thousands of c1s. Straight from the factory not through a dealer and they got them brand new for less than 4k! The driver's did write them off a lot though haha.
I drive a Suzuki swift sport. 150hp and 970kg. No special features, manual, no noise isulation..... but its fun :)
Even a Kid Car
Indian version is less than 900 kg and Indian version is highly unsafe
@@GreenDriveIndiaYes I've heard of many cars that have fewer structural elements in emerging markets which sucks because they also have worse infrastructure so the consequences of an accident are graver.
I love this video!
Spot on sport. You really nailed it with this one!
You are speaking straight from my heart. Each and every word. Finally someone who gets it. Amazing work with this video, as always.
I think governments worldwide should start taxing vehicles on size and weight, bigger and heavier the vehicle, the more tax you pay. This is better for our roads, our air quality (less brake dust and fuel wasted), our cities and obviously our planet. Lightness and small size isn't just fun and fast, it's actually greener! Colin Chapman has told us all this time, we've just forgotten because creature comforts and status seemed more important to us.
That's already the case in France actually, the more powerful or heavier your new vehicle is, the more taxes you have to pay for it (between 10 to 30€ per kg above 1600kg in 2024)
Edit: just saw that this is only true for non-electric cars...
Rednecks turn purple after reading this.
Light is also less safe, which is why I have a heavier vehicle. Colin Chapman, unfortunately, also learned that lesson.
@@Channelscruf Didn't you saw the video? Toyota proved with the iQ that small cars can be safe. Also, the Mazda MX-5 got 5 star safety rating in the Australian NCAP, and both the iQ and the MX-5 are cehap. So yeah, size doesn't mean safety, is the companies that are lazy.
@@Channelscruf Lighter cars are safer because there is less mass involved in any collision
Thank you for your percipective it's always help me to improve my perceptions on cad and what matters in what context, would be nice to get a review on this Toyota Aygo so we can learn more and your percepective on how yo improve it's efficiency, simplicity and maybe weight reduction.
Honestly, one of the craziest takeaways from this for me is that the Nevera is only 2 seconds slower *while weighing not much less than double* what the Jesko does.
Electric hypercars are going to be nuts if some really good battery technology ever comes along.
I still have an Aygo, only thing I miss is the glove compartment, I never had seen a car without one until I got the Aygo, but for everything I need in a car, it works.
The fiat panda 750 and 1000 (I have seen only those 2 in real life) had an aluminium-tube across the cockpit (knee-high from the left-door-hinge to the right-door-hinge), and a piece of textile looped around it, reaching forwards to the cockpit, textile was in excess, so that its middle-of-the-front-to-back-distance hung downwards by gravity... That was essentially a very long shelf, built like a beach-saiz-long...
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So everything it didn't need was put in a shed? Thus it was *sheded.*
Makes sense.
Thanks for another interesting video.
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English is probably his third language but go ahead and make fun. 😅
@@toddsmith8608 Was I making fun?
The video had "sheded" written in the video with question marks. I was pointing out how sheded could be the right word after all.
You call it making fun, I call it being playful.
Svaka ćast. Lijepo je vidjeti da ima ljudi koji tako razmišljaju o autima.
Realy love your point of view :)
The perfect citycar you theoriced is in my point of view a renault twingo mk1 , verly lightweight, simple in desing and motorization , very compact, measuring only 3,4m and fairly aerodinamic. It can make the back seats lay flat so its a very competent in carrying things from one place to another and it can even be converted to a bed.
He already told u what car it was, the toyota aygo
@@chiefdenisFirst generation Twingo is the best mini/city car ever designed. You need to drive or ride one to understand just how much interior room they've managed to get from such a small chasis.
The original VW Up was also much the same and was a joy to drive with some minor modifications.
@@BobSaint that twingo is very impressive in terms of visibility. I can only tell by my own experience, but only an upper class mercedes could reach that kind of visibility. A nice car to drive.
@@CombustiveVideo Up! is a very good mini/city car, just like Lupo before it, but not on the same level as Twingo.
Twingos rear seat, which could be moved almost all the way up to the rear door, makes seating for 4 tall people (like 195cm) a comfortable experience.
Mk1 Fiat Panda before the first or second restyle (not sure right now) had the "bed" option too. It's also a great little car, and 4X4 by Steyr models are ridiculously priced for years now.
90s Fiat Cinquecento was also a great and fun mini. Too bad it didn't get the F.I.R.E. engines Panda had in the time.
There's also a kind of forgotten mini - VW Polo Mk2, the "Breadvan". It's a small city car, but with extremely practical load space when rear seats are put down or removed.
I beleive that the last really great city car was Toyota iQ.
Edit: There is also a LOT of great Japanese small and KEI cars, but I'm sticking to European market only.
Sadly, EU made it impossible for makers to justify producing such vehicles - for uknown reasons, the most strict anti-polution laws were left for the smallest and lightest cars. Idiocracy.
Spot on.
Interesting perspective
#1 reason (at least in the US) I think we don't have smaller cars is - insurance and licensing.
Small simple car for going to/from work, and a larger nicer one for road trips. Makes sense - except you have to pay for both insurance and licensing 24/7 for all of these vehicles even though a person can only drive one at a time. So we trade higher fuel costs (which is fairly cheap compared to Europe) for one large vehicle for a lower overall TCO. Reform licensing and insurance billing, and that could change.
Right, my response to his confusion on the popularity of crossovers is safety, both in terms of federal requirements and the preference of car buyers to sit higher and feel less liable to die in a collision. The safety of making cars bulkier is kind of dumb, but the auto makes tried to fight it and American consumers at large didn't care.
This is only half true. For a single household yes, but how many single households have more than 1 car? Households with multiple people having only one car be allowed to drive at a time is silly.
In Austria here we can have one license plate for multiple cars and we pay the tax and insurance of the most expensive one. It kinda sucks when you have a 65 hp car for commuting and a 300 hp sports car but oh well that's Europe.
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I share the same idea as you, I love simple cars like they were doing before and I think there is a need for those types of cars.
This is exactly why I love my 1999 Ford Ranger. 4 cylinder, 2wd, 5 speed manual. Not much to go wrong on it and I love it.
you described a motorcycle, absolute perfection for efficient transport. 200kgs, supercar performance, a tenth of the price etc. use a cheap old car for 3 winter months and a bike for the other 9, enjoy life
True up until you get a family
not so great in heavy rain and wind. not so great to carry a weeks worth of groceries. but i get you, just take the old car for these occasions, too :-)
@@Creyzooo for groceries a 125 scooter works perfectly in the city, try it out. like a honda pcx, it has huge underseat capacity. add a topbox, a backpack, maybe aliexpress hook for the handlebar to put on two shopping bags for balance... you can carry as much as a normal car almost. and park anywhere, ride with 2l/100km... use camping clothes and handlebar gloves for rain, everything is better than to be miserable stuck in traffic lights, there are solutions! :D
"A tenth of the price"?
That's funny.
@@Creyzooo As a biker I can say, If you need a machine to take only YOU somwhere which is like 90% of cases, bike is the best. Why carry 1700kg, a butload of fuel, a quazilion of gadgedts and gizmos, entire store of things that can go wrong, just to meet someone for a cup of coffe. Also as I guy who went camping with bike, you would be suprised how much a properly geared bike can carry
Matt Farah from TST said it best. People in the US buy vehicles for the 110% use case. Meaning, people will buy a vehicle based on the POSSIBILITY that they MIGHT need to move a sofa one day. So, they buy a F150 or Tahoe. The US buys their cars based on what they WANT, not what they NEED.
or more likely, what their neighbour has.
Happens all the time with motorcycles. I always see people saying they want some kind of unicorn bike like it has to somehow win motocross races but also be comfortable cruising on a highway for days at a time.
Then you find out what they're actually doing and the only dirt they ever touch is a bit of gravel in the parking lot outside a bar.
I've got an '01 Dodge Dakota that's essentially the truck version of what he described. Dead simple, no larger than it needs to be, and stupidly useful (I've helped move family at least half a dozen times, and any time someone gets anything large the truck gets called on). Unfortunately, CAFE regulations mean that permissible emissions are largely determined by the size and weight of a vehicle, essentially killing off trucks like mine. Even the modern equivalents of the Ranger and Colorado are the size of full-size trucks from the late 90's and early 2000's, because it's easier for them to pass emissions at that size.
Yeah why not just rent a carriage if you need to move something big. Or just use roof racks like everyone without a tow hook. No need for a big truck 😅
Yet they complain about car prices. I think we all should focus on financial literacy and sound spending.
Thank you
Thank you.
One of my fave cars was my little Peugeot 205XS that had an aluminium block and weighed only 857kg, no power steering, no abs, no traction control and a twin choke carb. I had it tuned to 115 bhp and it was so much fun to drive.
I still have Peugeot 405 with 1.9l, around 120hp. Damn thing have power steering, electric front windows, 2 airbags and AC and still weighs around 1130kg and that's very large car. Today's VW Polo weights 1400+ kg and it's ~10cm narrower and 25cm shorter than 405 and have 1.0l engine. I don't want to know what have they done to that car to be so heavy.
Fun fact that Peugeot is faster and more agile than most of today's B and C cars that have 150+ HP
Not having ABS that weights probably 100 grams and is chip is nonsense... AC and ABS is a must...
@@captainuki YES, only mandatory equipment if you ask me is ABS, (no ASR, ESP etc, in winter they are making more problems than benefits) AC, heated outside mirrors (it's pain in the ass to drive without heated mirrors during foggy winter days or when snow is falling, i end up breaking ice every 10-20 minutes), power steering (20-30kgs for that is reasonable) and good stereo with BT ability for calls and streaming music, Airbags and that's it.
what are your thoughts on the dacia logan? it's around 1100 kg and has 70 HP
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I agree with your simpler premise with an exception. I see power windows, power mirrors, and power door locks as basic safety features. Power windows may arguably be less weight than manual. I certainly do not want an infotainment screen in any car that I own.
"the profit margins are small because you can't charge more for less"
Yes you can, if you put the right badge on the hood. Ask Porsche or Ferrari, the stripped-out track versions of their supercars are always more expensive than the ones with all the comfort features installed.
(This is a joke btw, I know those versions typically have more power and feature more expensive light-weight materials. And I'm not actually suggesting that cars with fewer features should cost more)
General Motors and Renault are infamous for that in South America. Grabbing Dacias, Vauxhalls and Opels, then giving them a Renault/Chevrolet branding, so they can charge more for them and make them recognizable is both hilarious, smart and infuriating.
If the memory serves me right, Porsche has paid extras that do nothing but remove features such as A/C for weight saving. I might be wrong, can't be bothered to check right now
@@sheeshulex I'm pretty sure the GT2RS comes without A/C as standard, or at least in older generations it did. But as for their normal cars, it's not true that they charge you for removing features. In fact, on a normal 911 or whatever I don't think you can even have standard equipment like A/C removed, at least not in their online configurator, but who knows if you were to call them about it...
Instead of putting in carbon fiber bucket seats just put a cloth seat with manual adjusments in it and you save the same weight and thousands of dollars.
I COMPLETELY agree with you on the small, light and simple vehicle. We are finally allowed to get the Japanese kei cars here in the states and they have become very popular, and now some states are trying to ban them because they see them as a threat!
Threat to profit margins!!!
Fight back against these bans!!! Enough is enough of anti constitutional bans in favor of overpriced, overweight, over (and somehow at the same time under) engineered crap, please if you have a gram of influence spread the word.
If you can, buy cars like fleet cars (those that are bought in bulk for taxis, cop cars and such, like Crown Vics back in the day), those usually have way less features and are far simpler and should be a bit cheaper, not just to buy but to maintain because there are more 2nd hand parts.
Bro I just love you
Loved this video! I'm so flabbergasted and amazed by the auto industry and also by the lack of government regulation to steer and/or prohibit certain practices. You explained it beautifully!!
Preach. The world needs to hear this
You are a wise man thanks for another great video
i agree with everything you have said in this video! finally some common sense
Fully with you on this. I remember my best car - Mitsubishi Colt, 1.2l engine, MT, fwd. Nothing failed during 4 years that I owned it. Want another one after your video.
The US government killed small, fuel efficient trucks when they adopted CAFE standards. Today's Toyota Taccma is the size of a full sized F-150 from 20 years ago. I know, because I have one of each stting in my driiveway.
Gordon Murray T25
I was gonna mention that. Gordon seems to be one of the few people in charge who understands the challenges of a car, and that it's design should be centered around the driver and praticality first hand.
I just bought a 2011 dr650 but they’re the same bike from 1996-today. I love the idea and the amount of community support, mods, aftermarket. People hate that it’s carbureted and whatnot but I love that they don’t change it every year for no reason, I wish cars and trucks would do this.
Well said.
Your channel is *fkin AWESOME!*
You simply rock, bro! Nothing less, nothing more!
one of your best video' s. a car like the citroen 2 cv, was/is the way to go
Thanks man!! That proofs that not a single politician honestly cares about the environment. They should have to watch your video!
Glad to see so many engine heads here so early ❤
Yes to everything you said. Thanks for the video.
I agree, it’s a shame that simple cheap cars are not produced any more, or are discontinued. I’m sure many people would choose it but there is less profit in them so we are offered basically what manufacturers want us to buy. Regulations don’t help either, imposing more and more obligatory safety equipment whether we want or not.
One feature I loved from a factory option car is on the Dodge dart featherweight. It replaced the crank window regulators with a seat belt with notches punched in it.
Could be my favourite vid from you mate. Thanks for saying this.
FWIW I keep thinking about what I call a Century Car - something designed now to be relevant in 100 years. Something that ensures personal and personally autonomous transport remains possible and relevant.
Good evening mr. D4A ❤
A good evening to you too :)
A new driving 4 answers video in time for lunch?! perfect :)
You hit the nail on the head with this one!!
I've been saying all this for years now.
BTW I would just add that crossovers and SUV don't just have inferior aerodynamics, compared to "regular" models they are based on. They are also waaaaay less safe. They are in most cases based on the same chassis, which is what actually protects you in a case of the accident, but at the same time they are less agile, have higher center of mass, longer stopping distance.... when added all the things you mentioned in the video like more mass and size, it just means that in critical situation you are less likely to be able to avoid accident in SUV/crossover, and when you get into it, you'll hit with more speed, carrying more weight, while having exactly the same chassis to protect you. This actually means the you'll cause more damage to other car you hit, but also more damage to your car, despite having larger and heavier vehicle, which people think will protect them.
Also new BMW M5 was another perfect example of this stupidity.
And even Nevera.... it should have been high performance focused car, but instead they decided to add a lot of unnecessary weight with all the autonomous driving stuff, AI track driving assistance/instructor, face recognition, satelite/GSM connectivity, cameras, radars, sensors, actual supercomputers(Nvidia Tesla from almost 20 years ago, I think) to run it all etc. that no one who actually buys such a car is interested in.
Being EV, it was inevitable that it will be heavy, but they really added a lot on top of it that no one actually cares about. All this tech should have been introduced in some other, luxury car from one of their numerous partners.
This is all painfully obvious when you see Nevera Nurburgring performance. It's a bullet in the straight line, but carries no speed at all through curves and despite being fastest road-legal EV, it's still left in the dust by ICE cars with 5x less power, and it needs new set of tires after every lap as all that mass pretty much cooks them after half a lap.
If it was more focused on actual performance, it would probably still hold the Ring EV record by quite a margin, it would still probably be faster than Regera and Jesko in 0-400-0 and it would be sold out, instead of only having 1/3 of the planned production cars being sold so far.
People who are willing to give more than 2 million dollars for a performance car, want the fastest car possible in all aspects, not just dragstrip stuff... what they don't care about is AI driving instructor... they can hire the real and better one, they don't care about face recognition entry, 20+ cameras in and around the car, self driving(that will never probably be full self-driving anyway) etc....
amen my friend to bring back simple cars. legends kec & cvaja
ICE is back baby!
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Why are cars getting bigger and heavier? Because 90% of people only care about getting from point A to point B as luxuriously as possible
And impressing their neighbors
Yeah, people want luxury, they are willing to pay for it. I respect his opinion but it's not what the market wants
Low self esteem really
Keeping up with the Jones’s never stopped being a thing.
A good point I'm glad this video mentioned is that even though these cars are larger, they dont really offer any more interior space. A lot of it comes down to MPG and safety regulations. Larger cars are allowed to have lower MPG, but also a lot of the safety features people want (like side airbags) require lots of space in the parts of cars that used to be purely structural.
Which is why i always adore Kei Cars til' this day.
Depending on the model, you can still have the amenities of today in a small package while not sacrificing internal space as well.
You can fit people around 180cm/6ft comfortably, you have enough storage for your day to day needs, enough power to go around city and short highway travel, while also getting good mileage as well
Speaking facts bro
I very much agree