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One of my fav videos. The history of the shinobi is so much more rich than the fairytales from 80's films. Thanks for your hard work and research Antony!
This has helped me a lot! I'm trying to write a character of Iga descent with skill in shinobi no jutsu in the early-ish edo period. Knowing when and why they were of low standing is quite useful.
Have you ever considered making a Discord? It’ll be cool having all your fans and people who love historical ninjutsu share their views and research on Discord..
Hey, Antony, it's Nick. How goes it? Gonna nitpick here, Toda Takatora didn't control Iga until AFTER Sekigahara. 1581, Oda Nobunaga's son Nobukatsu was the lord of Iga as his father's proxy. When Hideyoshi took over, he gave Nobukatsu the boot and put Tsutsui Junkei in charge, who the Iga mono hated almost as much as they had hated the Miyoshi clan. During Sekigahara, Junkei's heir stayed neutral, and forbid the Iga mono from fighting, so when Ieyasu became Shogun, he gave the Tsutsui the boot and put the Todo clan in charge. Take care, and stay safe from the Rona!
Hi Nick. Thank you. I think i say in the video i am hazy on who gets what in teh change over at what time, but they are still displaced. But thank you. I will add that in. I can never remember who gets it first. Then it is passed around. So great info. Thank you.
Hi Antony, I was trying to order the Shinobi Hiden from Amazon today, but it said that it didn't ship to my adress. I live in Sweden. But the other books weren't a problem. Do you know what the problem is perhaps? I bought the "Ninja Skills: The Authentic Ninja Training Manual" though, but I would like the Shinobi Hiden as well. Thank you for your work either way!
Wow, thats pretty depressing.. how far they have fallen.. one thing I dont get. Were they incapable of being merchants? Were they not allowed to do such a job? If they were suffering economically, and the merchants were rising. I may be missing something here, 😆
@@AntonyCummins I will toss you a link. It is a feudal Japanese inspired pen & paper RPG (think Dungeons & Dragons.) It contains influences from other Asian cultures as well. It takes place in a fantastic world known as Rokugan and magic is real. I play a Scorpion clan Shinobi of the Shosuro school that masquerades as an honorable Samurai of the same clan. The duality exists for me in the game the way it did in reality, in Japan.
@@AntonyCummins on a similar topic... What about the tenchu games? In the "how acurate" a game is... Red ninja: end of honor, tenchu games and the shinobido way of ninja... all have lots of stealth and the use of many tools and weapons that makes it more "ninja like" than the ninja gaiden or similar ninja games... Still super fantasy based but since they are games, its expected 🤷🏼♀️
Anthony I was thinking about your other video from some days ago regarding suggestions as to how to expand your channel. I commented some suggestions on that video but some other ideas came to me. Why dont you do videos regarding history of other places? Why so much focus on Japan? I understand that's what you probably specialize in, but i figure many people here would be interested in other places' history as well. Also you can re-do some old videos from the past years regarding Samurai/Ninja other stuff in a comprehensive manner, because so many ppl in the channel might be new. Another point: adding pictures/ drawings which carry some historical accuracy would make the video look more attractive. I personally would like a comprehensive video regarding the full history of feudalism in Japan, the power hierarchy, and how it came to end. Other suggestions: different eras of Persia, Ottoman empire, Mongolians and their attack and Japan..you get the idea.
The question was pretty intresting, and you know anthony, that Iga existed before nobunaga. Also they have really facinating history there, with an alternative society, and their own issues. (Without the ninja fearytales too) but you immediatly jumped , to the talking points, told by every book, hattori hanzo and nobunaga etc . And general samurai history. Do you have any information, about the iga society, their hierarchies, and founding fathers. After all, they governed themselvesfor over 100years, eventhough other daimyos did too, in sengoku era Thanks for good content
I'm coming into this two years, too late, but I'm trying to watch some of Anthony's older videos to send to a friend of mine who's working on a book. Anyways, what is the history of the Iga mono? Iga for most of its history was pretty typical of any other Japanese province. It was considered a "small land", and during the Heian period, it was mostly run by the Ise Taira clan (The Heidi clan), the enemies of the Minamoto clan (The Genji clan). Many of the Iga mono in later periods would claim lineage to the Ise Taira because of this. When the Taira clan fell off and the Minamoto clan came into power and established the Kamakura Shogunate, the local samurai clans in Iga became manor lords either for the Shogunate or for the neighboring Buddhist temples like Todaiji, who had a lot of power. There is an infamous incident where one powerful samurai family living in Iga outright rebelled against the Todaiji temple. This incident is called "the Kuroda Manor Riots". During the late 1200s-early 1300s, the then Japanese emperor Godaigo was planning to restore political power back to the imperial court, and you see some samurai from Iga supporting his cause (This is in the Taiheiki). Later in the 14th century, there would come to be two imperial courts and a huge conflict all across Japan. You see samurai from Iga in the conflict here and there. This is the time period where Ashikaga Takauji takes power and makes himself shogun. The 15th century, the power of the Ashikaga Shogunate is a bit unstable. Iga is under the governship of a man named Yamana Sozen. A succession crisis happens, which leads to a huge war in Kyoto that spreads across the rest of Japan and starts the Warring States period. This might be the earliest time where Iga and Koka samurai start training and engaging in ninjutsu. Iga eventually falls under the governship of the Niki clan, who are related to the Ashikaga. 16th century, the power of the Shogunate is getting weaker and weaker, and so too is the governship of the Niki clan that the Shogunate put in charge. Iga as a result is becoming a place where bandits and rogue yamabushi start terrorizing the land. The samurai in Iga at this point are growing more independent and are taking charge of protecting the land. They get to a point where they kick the Niki clan out of the province altogether, and set up a local confederacy between the Iga samurai and the leaders of the peasants in each village. 12 people are elected to represent the villages of the land, and they meet regularly in Heirakuji temple to discuss matters. From here, Iga is run by the local samurai and the peasant leaders, with sway from the Rokkaku clan in Omi province and the Kitabatake clan in Ise, up until Oda Nobunaga conquers the province in 1581 and turns it into Oda territory.
I've watched in another video that the belief that Oda Nobunaga annihilated the Iga shinobi is not true or just a myth. In fact (he said), they got their retribution to Nobunaga when they sided with Tokugawa Ieyasu.
It may be granular but in the UK some Yeoman were wealthier than minor knights despite having feudal duties that sometimes had them fufill the role of serjents or men at arms and being all but indistinguishable from knights on the battlefield . I can see how for the average onlooker/reader it might be difficult to get across, but I think we have to decide first how to potray samurai. Are they the “warrior class knights” of the rising sun or are they “Landed hierachy” in Japan with military duties to their liege? I veer towards the latter and Yeoman could get across the idea of “rich not peasant but fighter”
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One of my fav videos. The history of the shinobi is so much more rich than the fairytales from 80's films. Thanks for your hard work and research Antony!
Perfect, thanks Antony
Thanks Antony.......brilliant
thank you Antony for sharing something special for the English-speaking world with all your work
I am glad you like it.
Awesome video Antony.
Glad you like it Chris.
This has helped me a lot! I'm trying to write a character of Iga descent with skill in shinobi no jutsu in the early-ish edo period. Knowing when and why they were of low standing is quite useful.
Have you ever considered making a Discord? It’ll be cool having all your fans and people who love historical ninjutsu share their views and research on Discord..
deer Antony...
Hahah i see. Hahah
:D
I wanted to post it! Well, it is Fall already, mating season approaches...
Fascinating!
I was just reading about the black samurai Yasuke, and of course he served Nobunaga. I wonder if he helped destroy Iga?
He may have been there
@@AntonyCummins Can you please do a video on Yasuke?
Did he have any children?
Mrs. Tawanna Dupree I’m with her. Can we get a video on him?
The horns....put a katana in them...il continue to watch the video now x
I just found the ancient black ops documentary that you was on. Very awesome.
Hey, Antony, it's Nick. How goes it?
Gonna nitpick here, Toda Takatora didn't control Iga until AFTER Sekigahara. 1581, Oda Nobunaga's son Nobukatsu was the lord of Iga as his father's proxy. When Hideyoshi took over, he gave Nobukatsu the boot and put Tsutsui Junkei in charge, who the Iga mono hated almost as much as they had hated the Miyoshi clan. During Sekigahara, Junkei's heir stayed neutral, and forbid the Iga mono from fighting, so when Ieyasu became Shogun, he gave the Tsutsui the boot and put the Todo clan in charge.
Take care, and stay safe from the Rona!
Hi Nick. Thank you. I think i say in the video i am hazy on who gets what in teh change over at what time, but they are still displaced. But thank you. I will add that in. I can never remember who gets it first. Then it is passed around. So great info. Thank you.
Can you email me the dates of which clan took over at which date please antonyjcummins@yahoo.co.uk
How tragic.
Can you make a video about the genin, chunin, jonin ranks? Its a topic that not many talk about
Yes i will do.
Antony Cummins Yayyyyy!😊
The video came out these days.
Hi Antony, I was trying to order the Shinobi Hiden from Amazon today, but it said that it didn't ship to my adress. I live in Sweden. But the other books weren't a problem. Do you know what the problem is perhaps? I bought the "Ninja Skills: The Authentic Ninja Training Manual" though, but I would like the Shinobi Hiden as well. Thank you for your work either way!
I will ask the publisher. Corona has made a mess of things
@D'lish Donut thanks for the tips!
@@AntonyCummins ok, thank you for the reply!
Nice video. 😉 Have you made a video on the fall of Koka mono? 🤔
No not yet
I know Hattori Hanzo was a warlord some claim he was a samurai others a ninja. So was Hattori Hanzo a ninja or Samurai? 🙂
Both
He was a samurai general who was from a line of Iga Mono who are known for shinobi ways.
@@AntonyCummins Super awesome reply I've been wanting to know this for years. 😄
12:32 I read from Trumbul*, that ninjas were even used as babysitter of the shogun' kids, Is that correct?
I do not know about that. You would have to give me pages numbers (email me?)
Wow, thats pretty depressing.. how far they have fallen.. one thing I dont get. Were they incapable of being merchants? Were they not allowed to do such a job? If they were suffering economically, and the merchants were rising. I may be missing something here, 😆
No samurai in his right mind would want that. Unless for pure money. They were not fond of merchants.
Great
i thought that ieyasu gave great houses Tsutsui land so that they keep there status and give a moral dept.
Send me more info on that please. That would be nice to add. Email antonyjcummins@yahoo.co.uk
Antony, are you familiar with the Legend of the 5 Rings pen & paper RPG and card game? Oh, how I'd love to have you play in one of my campaigns, lol.
No I have not seen that one yet
@@AntonyCummins I will toss you a link. It is a feudal Japanese inspired pen & paper RPG (think Dungeons & Dragons.) It contains influences from other Asian cultures as well. It takes place in a fantastic world known as Rokugan and magic is real. I play a Scorpion clan Shinobi of the Shosuro school that masquerades as an honorable Samurai of the same clan. The duality exists for me in the game the way it did in reality, in Japan.
@@AntonyCummins www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/legend-of-the-five-rings-roleplaying-game/
Hello, do we know what an iga samurai fortified mansion looked like? Thank you
Low walls defensive angles main sort of farm house. They owned farm areas and villages but others worked the fields
Also, have you looked Ghost of Tsushima, Antony?
So many people ask this i do not own a console
@@AntonyCummins You can just take a look at some of the trailers and official clips on youtube.
Hey Antony, you ever played the Shinobi games from SEGA?
Yes, i loved number 1
Antony Cummins that’s nice!👍😁 3 is my favorite!
@@AntonyCummins on a similar topic... What about the tenchu games?
In the "how acurate" a game is... Red ninja: end of honor, tenchu games and the shinobido way of ninja... all have lots of stealth and the use of many tools and weapons that makes it more "ninja like" than the ninja gaiden or similar ninja games... Still super fantasy based but since they are games, its expected 🤷🏼♀️
Shinobi shadow dancer another classic
@@acebobbomb soundtrack incredibly good
Ninja Nepotism
Anthony I was thinking about your other video from some days ago regarding suggestions as to how to expand your channel. I commented some suggestions on that video but some other ideas came to me. Why dont you do videos regarding history of other places? Why so much focus on Japan? I understand that's what you probably specialize in, but i figure many people here would be interested in other places' history as well.
Also you can re-do some old videos from the past years regarding Samurai/Ninja other stuff in a comprehensive manner, because so many ppl in the channel might be new.
Another point: adding pictures/ drawings which carry some historical accuracy would make the video look more attractive.
I personally would like a comprehensive video regarding the full history of feudalism in Japan, the power hierarchy, and how it came to end.
Other suggestions: different eras of Persia, Ottoman empire, Mongolians and their attack and Japan..you get the idea.
Capitalism killed the ninja
What are your thoughts on Yasuke?
Is he written in any scrolls?
I think Voices of the Past just did a video on him.
The question was pretty intresting, and you know anthony, that Iga existed before nobunaga. Also they have really facinating history there, with an alternative society, and their own issues. (Without the ninja fearytales too) but you immediatly jumped , to the talking points, told by every book, hattori hanzo and nobunaga etc . And general samurai history. Do you have any information, about the iga society, their hierarchies, and founding fathers. After all, they governed themselvesfor over 100years, eventhough other daimyos did too, in sengoku era
Thanks for good content
I will dig into that but in the main they are samurai like others but you are correct
I'm coming into this two years, too late, but I'm trying to watch some of Anthony's older videos to send to a friend of mine who's working on a book.
Anyways, what is the history of the Iga mono? Iga for most of its history was pretty typical of any other Japanese province. It was considered a "small land", and during the Heian period, it was mostly run by the Ise Taira clan (The Heidi clan), the enemies of the Minamoto clan (The Genji clan). Many of the Iga mono in later periods would claim lineage to the Ise Taira because of this. When the Taira clan fell off and the Minamoto clan came into power and established the Kamakura Shogunate, the local samurai clans in Iga became manor lords either for the Shogunate or for the neighboring Buddhist temples like Todaiji, who had a lot of power. There is an infamous incident where one powerful samurai family living in Iga outright rebelled against the Todaiji temple. This incident is called "the Kuroda Manor Riots".
During the late 1200s-early 1300s, the then Japanese emperor Godaigo was planning to restore political power back to the imperial court, and you see some samurai from Iga supporting his cause (This is in the Taiheiki). Later in the 14th century, there would come to be two imperial courts and a huge conflict all across Japan. You see samurai from Iga in the conflict here and there. This is the time period where Ashikaga Takauji takes power and makes himself shogun.
The 15th century, the power of the Ashikaga Shogunate is a bit unstable. Iga is under the governship of a man named Yamana Sozen. A succession crisis happens, which leads to a huge war in Kyoto that spreads across the rest of Japan and starts the Warring States period. This might be the earliest time where Iga and Koka samurai start training and engaging in ninjutsu. Iga eventually falls under the governship of the Niki clan, who are related to the Ashikaga.
16th century, the power of the Shogunate is getting weaker and weaker, and so too is the governship of the Niki clan that the Shogunate put in charge. Iga as a result is becoming a place where bandits and rogue yamabushi start terrorizing the land. The samurai in Iga at this point are growing more independent and are taking charge of protecting the land. They get to a point where they kick the Niki clan out of the province altogether, and set up a local confederacy between the Iga samurai and the leaders of the peasants in each village. 12 people are elected to represent the villages of the land, and they meet regularly in Heirakuji temple to discuss matters.
From here, Iga is run by the local samurai and the peasant leaders, with sway from the Rokkaku clan in Omi province and the Kitabatake clan in Ise, up until Oda Nobunaga conquers the province in 1581 and turns it into Oda territory.
You helped Limfamy the research for his video right?
Yes i think he mentions me in that one.
I've watched in another video that the belief that Oda Nobunaga annihilated the Iga shinobi is not true or just a myth. In fact (he said), they got their retribution to Nobunaga when they sided with Tokugawa Ieyasu.
What show is it?
@@nozenkyuzero I think if I remember correctly, it's from The Shogunate channel.
@@raikey2176 oh i might watch that in the shogunate thanks
10:09 :D
Hansi H'obrr hahahah thank you
Country Bumpkin Samurai/Gentry....why not use the word Yeoman/Yeomanry?
They are not knights? Samurai are still “knights” in that way. They are not different in social class just acceptance level. What do you think?
It may be granular but in the UK some Yeoman were wealthier than minor knights despite having feudal duties that sometimes had them fufill the role of serjents or men at arms and being all but indistinguishable from knights on the battlefield . I can see how for the average onlooker/reader it might be difficult to get across, but I think we have to decide first how to potray samurai. Are they the “warrior class knights” of the rising sun or are they “Landed hierachy” in Japan with military duties to their liege? I veer towards the latter and Yeoman could get across the idea of “rich not peasant but fighter”
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