2 YEAR REVIEW of a Rubber Toilet Seal.
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2024
- This is two year follow-up on the Fluidmaster Better Than Wax toilet seal. How good are rubber toilet seals? Are rubber toilet seals better than wax? We'll see how the Fluidmaster held up after two years.
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
00:58 What got us here to begin with
01:59 Preparing toilet for lift-off
02:35 Lifting toilet to check seal
02:45 Checking out how well the seal has worn
04:25 Preparing for new seal
04:41 Comments from plumbers
05:02 Applying new seal
05:56 Using straws as guides
06:22 Detail about flange
06:46 Setting toilet on the seal
07:12 Caulking
07:34 Conclusion - Jak na to + styl
Nice series. I don't think I have ever seen a video testing toilet flange over a 5 year period. Thanks for the knowledge, really appreciate it.
Great job Marty! I think that rubber gasket the first one probably would’ve work if you just put one instead of double on it.
You are my new favorite CZcamsr! You absolutely crack me up! 🤣 You need to make more videos so that I can watch them all and laugh like a drain. I love your sardonic attitude. Beautiful work, by the way 👍Who knew you could get so much enjoyment from watching videos about toilets?
Coming out with more videos. They're not necessarily entertaining though. I hate everything I do, so I'm always glad to hear that people like them. Thanks.
I think you do terrific work man. Great to see how someone comes back a couple years later to show how a product holds up. You convinced me to do a regular wax seal. I was kind of concerned about the plastic alternative for the reasons you have provably shown. I like the careful considerations you take in your content. I'm stealing that drainage trench thing. Good idea! The pajama costume was a nice touch.
Finally somebody recognizing the usefulness of the drainage trench! Thanks.
That tape trick is incredibly useful for the wax ring. Great video, very high quality craftsmanship.
Thank you for including the “professionals” and their comments. and then stating how many were correct. I just love it…
They don't like it when we do this stuff ourselves. Thanks for watching.
I installed my toilet a few years back but I subscribed because Marty rules!!
Keep up the good work. This guy really should have his own show
you sir are an inspiration. been waiting for this 3rd vid to drop forever... hits just as hard as the first.
I liked the fact that you went back to check on the seal. Thanks for the info. 👍🏻
This was the video series I was looking for during my toilet replacement. Thanks for the thorough descriptions and negative Nancy plumber busting!
You're welcome and thanks for watching.
Great, absolutely great. Love the matter of fact, take it or leave it approach.
Marty - your Porcelain Wars videos here gave me the the guts to finally tackle my nemesis, an American Standard toilet that the previous owner installed with a too-high PVC flange. After seeing your Better than Wax experience, I found that it was the only seal thin enough to seal properly with my brand-new toilet. Success for another of us worms!
Great job. Great video. Thanks for posting. From a DIY perspective this really helps. With your experience I can buy the proper seal with confidence. That’s valuable
Awesome I've learned so much!!
Doing the lords work my friend
Well done & love your attitude... fun to watch and informative. There's never just one way to accomplish a task. Live, learn, be creative, and save a buck when you can. Now it's time to crawl back into my hole.😁
You’re really really funny😂 Great video
Great job. I liked the video
Hey Marty, I am a youtube fan. I must have seen thousands, if not tens of thousands of videos. You are by far my favorite video producer. Your 3 videos are youtube gold. Thankyou for these gems. I shared all of your sentiments in your videos. I am just like you, except for one thing. I'm not meticulous, just a hack.
Thanks, that's a great compliment. Is that an old International Harvester wagon in your profile pic?
These are the best videos on the internet. Something that I thought sharing, for posterity, after I watched your videos: Instead of using a small drain to see if anything it's leaking, you can use a leak detector that has a cable, so the detector plate will be near the flange and the alarm at the back of you toilet.
Thanks for the suggestion. I didn't know such a thing could be done, but when I just looked it up it seems that the leak detectors are pretty expensive ...like around $300. Do you know of any way around that?
@@MartyPollio For some reasons youtube does not allow my comment with the link to amazon to go through, so pasting here the device name and type that I bought for about $6 a piece: Topvico Water Leak Sensor Detector Flood Alarm for Basement 120dB Work Alone Battery Operated 3 Packs. There are more devices like this online, I choose one, and don't have any affiliation with any of them.
@@danvilnoiu Thanks, I'm glad to know about this thing. I probably won't use it for a toilet unless I suspect there may be a problem, but it's good to know about in general.
Thanks for your replies! The problem I was trying to solve is that I have no way to know that the wax ring is placed correctly and in did not move when the toilet is placed. The only way is to see some water leaking, but if the leak is a really small then on a hardwood floor might it be absorbed in the plywood for months before you know anything. So, there are 2 solutions I figured out: 1) this type of cheap device that I have placed between the wax ring and toilet exterior wall and this should tell me that everything is fine for years to come, and 2) after the installation I inspected with a small wire camera the installation from interior. If there are any other ideas, I'll gladly listen them.
Thanks Marty for sharing your experiences with us. I was leaning towards Danco perfect seal but now, I think I'll go with a good old wax ring. Do it right first time and be done with it. Thanks again!
The most common wax rings are made of petroleum. The better ones are made of beeswax, but I'm not sure where you can find them ...may have to order one. Thanks for watching.
I'm laughing so hard. You have a great personality! :)
Thanks for your 3 videos! I really appreciated your advice and honesty. BTW, I have the same pj’s. Regards
You're welcome. Thanks for taking a look.
I got four years out of the plastic Fluid Master and all is good so far.
I still want to see the video about your countertops you made! They look so cool! 😊
I have to repair my toilet, and found your videos. Well done. Good testing and documentation. And great commentary. And the 2 year followups are really useful. Many things will last for a short time, but that is no indication of the long term performance.
I am going to have to add a flange extender because a tile floor was added, and now the flange is below the previous floor level and I am a bit leery of the foam extender in the Fluidmaster 7530P8 nowax seal. I like the Fluidmaster 7530P8 "one piece flexible seal and funnel" design, but was not impressed by the condition of yours after 2 years. Seems they could have made with a better rubber like flappers are made from that is more chlorine resistant. So after watching your third toilet video, I think I will go with the wax seal, straw and "tape with guide arrows" (great idea) to get things "aligned" before the wax is touched to avoid any shear forces on the wax, which seems to be the main issue with wax. We don't get hot temps here, so I doubt the wax will flow too much.
In your second video, you mentioned they should make a way to see under the toilet to see if there are leaks. I am thinking about putting a BWD-HWA The Watchdog Water Sensor with the detachable wired water sensor under the toilet, with the wire coming out to the battery operated alarm. That along with a drain trench, just in case. Before I posted, I see someone else had the same idea of using a leak detector. Your idea about using an inspection camera would work, but I don't own one, and I am afraid the "cheap" ones would be junk.
I am not sure why but your presentation style reminded me of TheoJoe, but when I mentioned it to someone else, they didn't see any similarity.
Sorry for the delayed response, but thanks for watching my videos. I just looked up TheoJoe and although I didn't see any similarities, I enjoyed his channel.
Thank you
Thanks for doing an update. I will use the old wax ring since it holds better and I definitely don't want to do it every couple of years.
Yeah, it's not worth the worry of using the other stuff.
Tough I have not used the Fluidmaster, you can clearly see the issue is the large waste hole. I think the Fluidmaster does better in a smaller, modern PVC toilet flange.
Watch all your toilet vids. I had a flange brake (were the toilet bolt hooks too, it was rusted and just mushed). Got the hydro seat with the outer corner holes to screw into concrete. And two wax seals, I had the rubber korky Brand and didn’t like it because the screw hole broke off.
Anyways, got the job done. I called a plumber for a estimate and their hourly was good, for them not for my wallet.
Your video and two others about the “hydro seal” flange repair kit gave me the confidence to do it.
No more toilet rocking. And thanks for the lols.
Glad to hear my videos helped you with something. Thanks for watching.
I want to see that countertop video!
I DEMAND MORE TOILET FLANGE VIDEOS!!
The straws are brilliant. So are the tape/arrow markings and the drainage trench. I just installed fluidmaster rubber seal, before I saw your vid. We’ll see if it lasts 40 years like the wax ring it replaced.
I agree... forget the toilets that will flush billiard balls and golf balls... I found a TOTO that can handle a foot-long Nathan's hot dog with relish. It's like watching the "Log Ride" at Six Flags...!!
I'm anticipating your toilet flange review series will make it to Paramount Plus alongside This Old House in the near future.
My only dilemma after watching your reviews was whether to use a normal or thick wax ring and one with or without the "horn"...
Looking forward to more of your wit and wisdom...
If you use a wax ring with a funnel (horn), make sure you don't move the toilet at all once it's set on top of the ring. A normal wax ring will allow you to twist the toilet a bit, but not push it forward or back. Glad you liked the videos, thanks for watching.
the issue with most modern ring replacement systems is that they aren't air-tight. water-tight to be sure, but most of them will allow sewer gasses to escape. wax seals, of course, are also air tight if properly installed. i commented about saniseal on the preceding video so i kind of feel like a shill, but they also make a solid, ungapped connection between the flange and the toilet, so they don't have that gas issue, either, if you just can't stand wax seals. thanks to marty for the videos!
Love it! Standup toilet comedy. Toiletectomy. Keep it going…tackle another job for the sake of humanity. 😢 definitely would love to see more of you.
You're right, I should do a roast of the porcelain toilet.
I wish u would have used the , perfect flange by danco .. I used the same blue seal and it failed like u did . I used the perfect flange , it fit snug but I guess only time will tell if it holds up . Thxs for the , great info and videos
Have you ever done stand-up? I have watched a few of your videos and your sense of humor is awesome. I also love your content.
Yes I have, and glad you like the videos. Thanks for watching.
@@MartyPollio After watching your handyman videos, and then seeing this, I did a search and found your Dry Bar Comedy Mr Magic routine on youtube. We Should Probably Talk About My Last Name. Marty Pollio - Full Special. 😂
@@daveblorphy174 That special was a bad experience for me. The video company was dishonest, and I also feel like I didn't do a very good job. Uhg, I wish it would disappear from the internet.
Fluidmaster recommends that you not use cleaners with chlorine or bleach as it will deteriorate the rubber.
OMG! I have not seen the billiard ball video ! A part of me wants to go ask for one at Lowe’s. Another part tells me to lose 20 lbs before I do this. 😂 Thanks for the review, AND back to Lowe’s I go to get some good old fashioned WAX! Cheers!
BTW, I've learned that all wax rings are not created equal. The common ones we buy in the big box stores are made out of petroleum. The better ones are made of beeswax.
Hey my friend, I myself have watched enough how to toilet videos to make me a friggin' toilet to flange expert. My next project, toilet replacement, will be my cheap but modern toilet in my work shop. It gets a brown ring after 3 or 4 piss flushes, and the frau is on my ass to keep it clean. I can get a used crapper from the Hab Restore for maybe 50 bucks. The shop I built was in '03, so there should be little if any problems. HA ! Famous are these last words.
"The frau," ha ha
Dude you video was good. Don't beat yourself up. I was entertained and didn't lose interest.
Appreciate it, and thanks a lot for watching.
As a person who does 80% or better of DIY renovations/projects I've found that more often than not I have to undo mistakes previously done by subcontractor professionals. I've literally saved myself tens of thousands of dollars in labor costs by doing these projects by my lonesome. It's just takes time and patience.
And if you want extremely thorough work, there's no telling how much they would charge. I'm like you, there's some stuff that's over my head and other stuff I would never do again (like make a cabinet or kitchen countertops), but most things I trust myself more than a professional.
John Malkovich’s brother here! 😂❤
Hilarious, great job also. The end product is to create a reliable long lasting seal, thats what counts.
I had the same experience with the Fluidmaster Better Than Wax toilet seal. Mine lasted 3 years. The plastic used deteriorates. If the product used better plastic this wouldn't happen.
that drain is huge
Too bad - I bought a Fluidmaster Rubber Toilet Seal today. Given that the one you took off wasn't leaking, I think I'll give it a try.
I Got mine 2 years ago and loved it, never had any issues.My father who works in home renovations for years just flat out told me to get this kind since it works if installed as per instructions, comes with a spacer included, and is repositionable if we don't get it right the first set down.
The only reason marty had some doubts and issues is he didn't follow the directions of using the foam spacer and shoved 2 tops inside each other which caused the rubber to deform and water to leak into the extra seal space.
@@ShiningSakura You have a good memory. Mine is still not leaking. After the 11 months since my last entry, I remembered replacing the seal but forgot the brand.
I never caulk the toilet to the floor.
That caulk I use isn't silicone. It's easy to remove, and I don't caulk around the back of it.
@@MartyPollioDecidedly good that you leave the back side uncaulked. I used the Better Than Wax and my flange was even with the floor. The spacer they said to use made the toilet too high so I just used the main blue seal.
Does not seem to be leaking (only been a few days). I wish I would have thought to cut the spacer down, as suggested in another person's video, but it was wrecking my back to fit and refit the toilet.
Time will tell.
...& Thanks for advancing Civilization...
Never understood why there has to be music when you try to listen to what your saying
In editing I try really hard to keep my music low while I'm talking. Sorry about that. However, I just listened to this with headphones and didn't feel like the music was distracting. You may have your sound setting on Surround. Some TV's and even computers have that setting, which gives you fake "space" between your stereo speakers. It also makes music louder and speech subdued.
I would prefer it if there was no music at all - whether or not you are talking. I have not yet seen an instructional video where the music added anything at all, expect distraction. Many are so bad that I turn off the sound and watch the video in silence - which means that I miss out on any comments that might be helpful. @@MartyPollio
@@buggsy-sb3if When there is no dialogue going on the music volume rises and it helps a lot. Video creators are fighting against the typical short attention span of the viewers, so every little bit of sound helps hold the attention. I started making Italian recipe videos (Marty the Pasta Guy) and I've kept the music very low while I'm talking ...mostly because of the first comment on this thread.
Some may like it, I don't. I have far longer than a 5 second attention span so don't need the repetitive sound track to keep me awake. I could see its utility if there was a long multi-minute segment with muted audio that has overlaid sound - for some people.
There are very few instructional videos where I don't mute the sound and enjoy the video track in blissful silence. I feel most of the music used to be intrusive and obnoxious. @@MartyPollio
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70s lol more like the 50s get rid of that cast. I use the rubber seal you did but I got pvc, but I used to have cast. My house was built in 54
Mine was built in '74. That's about the time I was working construction, and I don't remember PVC existing back then. Just looked it up - it started replacing iron drain pipes in 1980.
I wish you were my neighbor...
I feel the same way as long as you have a lot of tools I can borrow.
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I've had one of those on my toilet for almost 5 years never had a problem you only need one of those not two read the instructions.
The instructions say that you can stack two if you think it's best. In my case, I was lucky I did.
@@MartyPollio nowhere on the box does it say you can set two of them I have the box you could use the extra black seal but not two of those
@@dougshepherd3906 I don't have the paper instructions, but on the Fluidmaster site it says it. If you scroll down past the instructions and videos, it is listed in the Frequently Asked Questions:
www.fluidmaster.com/products/toilet/toilet-seals/7530-better-than-wax-wax-free-seal/
@@MartyPollio I had the instructions and the original box mine came in and it says to use what's in the box if your drain is seated below the floor level use the washer or the extra seal as it's called
@@dougshepherd3906 I'm surprised they didn't write it in the instructions. I watch a lot of videos on this stuff and I've heard it repeated on some of the videos that you can stack two of them. That black foam ring is pretty ridiculous - way too tall for most flange issues - unless your flange is maybe 3/4" below the floor surface.
Back to wax 😂
the instructions do not show how you installed it. It shows 1 seal for at level. 1 seal + extender for 1/4 under. and 1 extender + 2 seals for more than 1/2 inch below the floor. No point in testing products if you don't follow the instructions.
The Fluidmaster company videos say you can stack the seals, but don't mention when you should and when you shouldn't. One seal would have leaked for sure with my particular drain pipe.
@@MartyPollio stacking them is what caused your oval deformation and exacerbated your particular issue drain, one would have been better with the included foam insert.
@@ShiningSakura The oval was caused by the bit nuts I had on the topside of the closet bolts. This particular rubber seal was just too small for my drain pipe to begin with, so it wouldn't have worked well even if I did use the foam spacer.
….the deplorables
Snap..just installed a plastic seal after watching you last video and never noticed you went back to wax..🫤
Well, it will probably be okay if you used it with a flange that has a wider surface area than mine - something it can lay flat on. Also, don't use toilet cleaners with ammonia or bleach. It'll probably be just fine, but make sure there is an area where the water can leak out onto the floor so you'll be able to see if there's a problem.