2023 Nissan Z vs 2022 Dodge Challenger 392 Widebody Scatpack Shaker. Drag and Roll Race.
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- 2023 Nissan Z vs 2022 Dodge Challenger 392 Widebody Scatpack Shaker. Drag and Roll Race.
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Whoever drives the Mopars on your channel launch them very well, they are a complete nightmare to launch
Not hard at all. For the narrow body just have it in track mode, (dont use launch control). When you’re ready to go slam the gas, cut the wheel slightly to the left, when you feel the car slide cut it instantly right & you’ll launch like a rocket. You can hit 3.6-4.0 doing that. Usually 3.9-4.1 is the outcome. Oh & replace the stock tires
Widebody is easy af to launch
@@ispeedalot I literally just found that out sometime in December. Lol it actually works!
@@Quez5k hell yeah it works 😂. I just wish the transmission would shift perfectly like it does sometimes (randomly) when you use launch control. If you could do that move & get that smooth perfect shift that launch control sometimes gives you, it’d be a consistent 3.7-3.9 car
You have to throw away the stock tires get some that stick and practice a few launches and the scat pack will launch especially a 1320 package.
I also have a scat challenger, and the cold start puts a smile on my face every time. 😀
I know losing to 5.0s and Ss doesn't tho. 😂😂 And then losing to anything close to they're power in rolls 😂😂
@@darryltaylor8708 I beaten alottttt of 5.0s n Camaros bro wtffff
@@darryltaylor8708 Everything loses to something. Just get what you like, and enjoy what you have.
@Darryl Taylor yep.. I keep up with em in my rspec 5.0..
That widebody is beautiful! Also the sound of that 392 is pure music! That man knows his challenger well! Props! Thanks again Sam for another great video 📹 p.s that purple skyline r34 would be a cool match up with either the 400z or the 392
The mopars got lots of torque.....thats the difference when trying to get that much weight in motion
Dodge has kept the 392 basically the same since 2015 and they’re still walking over these brand new cars 😂
That's the crazy thing to me as well. Damn car is a NA, port injected, pushrod V8 and it's STILL relevant with little to no changes.
Those are both beautiful cars! It’s hard to pick a favorite. Listening to the Hemi caused a tingle in my pants so she WINS! Lol
I’m convinced you have a bias against the dodges. It’s apparent!
Thanks
I've always thought the same thing
Bro Sam hates Mopar!
Been waiting for this one, thanks and great job! Perhaps after some time and a tire upgrade you can give the Z a rematch with some of the cars you've tested it against. I've been pretty underwhelmed with the new Z unfortunately after watching so many tests, particularly track tests. I think it has the potential to be so much better with some tweaks.
The Nismo will be faster for sure, but probably not THAT MUCH faster.
It might have a few lbs less, better tires, and around 50HP more, like the GT4 version. That’s my guess. Only then, it might be competitive.
The stock Bridgestone tires are trash. It needs Michelin Cup or Sports tires.
That R34 in the background tho
In manual mode in proper gear and not hitting limiter the Z would've won both rolls.(1st roll proves this as both cars downshifted properly and at the same time).The dig, some nice sticky tires and rematch would be awesome since they're rated low 4s or even 4s flat 0-60 it should won the dig also. Great video, both amazing cars🔥.
thats weird cuz ive raced 2 of these and won both from a dig and roll. I do have a intake / straight pipes / 93 tune
@@sirren8808 considering he only one by half a car on the roll I could see with those mods you pulling a few cars away on a roll for sure. Scatpack are low 4s also, so I guess a dig is a drivers race. Both on a track stock for stock would be pretty even off the line.
@@RevsALot on 315s right now up from 305s and these r street tires...im doing 3.6 0-60s lol these widebodies once tune are pretty fast its just still a 11.9 12.0 second car tho. Heavy as shit man lol mean as fuck til 80mph tho
@@sirren8808 that's freaking awesome man💪🔥. 3.6s is no joke, especially for NA and the weight even low 12s high 11s just cpl mods and tune is beastly.
Z is the slower car, driver mod.
The Nissan boys better wait on the Nismo edition lol
I think power would not increase substantially, but more focus on weight savings and better track focused parts such as tires, brakes, aero, but that’s just my opinion on a good nismo product.
This Z has traction issues like the 2015-2017 Mustang GT's. I had to install the Steeda "Stop The Hop Kit" and equip it with much better tires and now it launches perfectly fine without getting squirly!
With the Z, it's because of the mediocre Bridgestone tires.
This is a must to install and should be the first mod you do on an 2011+ mustang. I cant believe furd got away with selling a car with that much wheel hop. Felt like the rear was going to tear apart from my car😂😂😂
That challenger is 🔥. That’s EXACTLY how I’d option mine out!!! So nice.😮
dime a dozen. looks like an 08. quite dated looking
@@justdrive5327 dont hate go back to your Civic fanboy
@@kylegallant3423 no hate when a company can't update plastic after being in production for 7 years, honestly how hard is it to do something with plastic lmao
Dime a dozen.. yea right. Wait a few years. They hold their value really well now, wait till more idiots smash them up and get stolen. The value will just increase. And I’d say, for styling that’s been around 15 yrs. It’s still the best damn looking thing out there
@@dant4556 It is what it is, muscle cars are a dime a dozen and if challengers get expensive people will just get a Mustang or Camaro. The only attractive thing about these cars is their v8 and rugged styling, which isn't something unique to the challenger. Meanwhile all the imports like Z, Supra, etc are way lower volume and unique compared to each other. And it's not like people don't beat on and crash those cars either 😂
“Better tires and the z will take it” better tires not closing that BUS in the 50 roll 💀
In the Z’s defense the Challenger does have the superior transmission lol. He should’ve used manual mode on the Z.
Why not use manual mode in the Z? It has 9 gears and you are waiting for it to drop like 5 - 6 gears. 😂
It may hang around better if not do the same thing it did the first roll. Both did well though!
Yeah, you have to use the paddle shifters on the Z or it's slow to drop down. I had a Q50 Red Sport and it was the same thing, you had to use the paddles especially from a roll.
@@arniejonassen true. I also own a Q50 and I use manual all the time for situations like this.
Never thought I would say this but the Dodge puts the power down very well wide body helps with the extra meat
Dodge has some crazy dead spots in the gearing, benefit a lot from higher speeds and perfect seems to be around 60mph. The Z held up pretty well considering it was having traction issues. Would love to see this race with better tires on the Z (rematch!!!).
Might not be gearing. There's a dip in the HP at a certain rpm range with the short runner valve.
@@nokoolaid yeah same issue overall…. the dip is around 4500rpm iirc? If you don’t force the downshift you get caught in a dead spot of sorts. Hellcats suffer from this as well and stock trans tuning is not very aggressive even in track mode.
@@S8ER from a roll I have noticed it the odd time. Gotta get in the right gear first.
@@Bizzair1990 yep I manually force down every time now due to this. This thing is a turd if it doesn’t drop down all the way.
@@S8ER yeah, that's the thing with ohv engines like the hemi's...they kick out like a mule with alot of torque off the line instantly at 1400k rpms, but at higher rpms, they seem to lose breath almost instantly...dohc engines like the mustangs are the opposite...at lower rpms, they're usually more bark than bite but once you reach 4800k, it instantly kicks loose, and wants to plow into something like a bull chasing a red flag...i've test driven both, owned an r/t aswell, and this is essentially the reason why i feel hemi's are more ideal for people who like to do burnouts, and show off during shows without causing a mishap...
Very interesting races - the two cars have close power to weight ratios. But besides the better tires on the Challenger, the Chally's 392 also has a lot more torque than the Z. That may be helping it from a dig too.
Except in the torque department which is the difference. If you put a tire on both cars where there was no spin and let them loose with all nannies off the 392 will still jump ahead off the launch and stay there.
🏁Sam always brings the most interesting races on CZcams kudos to you sir 😎🤙🏾
I appreciate that
@@SamCarLegion ♾❤️
@@SamCarLegion I'd love to see the new RX500 F-sport Performance vs MDX Type S.
@@TheBreakfastLover that would be a good race
RX500H vs MDX type S now that should be a solid one ☝️
Nostalgia has me in love with the Z. Just wish they gave it more hp and go out with a bang. Especially since EV’s will be in heavy rotation soon
And Z loses again.
Nah no way. People where saying it's a baby gtr and it here to dominate. Some people in other channels even said it was a baby Aston 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤥🤥
The Dodge big blocks power are at the higher RPM's, that's where they shine. So when people say they are slow, not at all.
The Z always needs to launch and roll race in manual mode. That is the best way.
The way the challenger pulling in roll race 2 is literally comic!
This is what my 03 tuned G35 looks like when I race scat packs. I get a decent jump off the line, longer than the new Z somehow did in this video. I hate to say this…but the new Z seems not as fast as I was expecting it to be here
I love how the Z looks from the back and side. Front....ehh not so much.
Cool interior as well.
That challenger looks great in F8 as well. 🥵😍
The golden Era of cars right now
The Z looks like it’s crying 😢with that teardrop headlights
That big linebacker was moving out lol
The Kia Stinger will give both of them the business lol
Love challengers scat pack or hellcat no matter the hate. That’s a sexy ass whip narrow and wide
Switch tires and run it back. I would love to see the outcome. VS Supra as well 😎
Those have to be the best launches in the history of challengers and chargers lol in the real world it looks pretty easy for the z
Haters... there everywhere
@@marcuslatrent528 Deniers everywhere as well
@Gerardo Gonzalez true, scats make people deny all the time. Scats live rent free in your head lol
@@gerardogonzalez1217 In the real world? What are we watching right now? A GTA gameplay?
@@DetektiveKevo No we’re watching right conditions with a decent driver. I the real world I wouldn’t think a stoplight or a red light would right conditions and I don’t think your average Joe knows how to launch the car like this guy can
Glad I got my scat WB before they go extinct, beautiful looking car, modern classic 💪🏼.
I love the 392 content
First time I’ve seen a 392 drive properly
Idk why you are not racing in a manual mood to get the best performance
That 50-roll race surprised me. I would have thought for sure the Z would have won given it's a twin turbo and they tend to do well at higher rpm. Gotta love that Scat Pack!
It’s driver mode this old guy be losing every race even when he in the faster car lol
Those 392s when fitted with some good rear tires, are monsters. So many videos float around of them losing as they just blow smoke lol.
No they are not. They slow outdated boats
@@miseryparty3726 what's outdated about it?
@@miseryparty3726 miserable ass nigga
@@eldesconocido4835 mad? i'm saying the truth
@@invalidusername_5101 the whole entire car lol. same car since 2008
Z is so slow and horribly built, just the underbody speaks for the quality
Spinning ain't winning, and we all know by now the tires are trash on the Z!
Next time put the camera on the windshield facing down the road, that’s the only way your gonna be able to keep eyes on that challenger LOL
Your cars are distinguish excited to be seen in racing against each other . Thanks Sam👍
Sam thank u this is the reason i personally got a manual 392 after i got into a crash with my 370z and didn’t wait for the 400 z
Huge downgrade
@@latino914 mhmm, went from not being slow to actually slow lmao
Really curious what the result would’ve been with same tires! Kudos to Z
Roll at 80 gives you your answer. Forget same tires, there's more to it to out down the power than tires, the z doesn't do that form a dig or a roll
The z needs a bigger turbo to compete. It's light, but lacking on power.
@@marcuslatrent528 It doesn't lack power. It lacks traction due to the mediocre Bridgestone tires.
@@wnf7533 At 80 kmp, the Z was in the wrong gear (3rd) instead of 2nd. Had he manually put it in 2nd, it would have won like the first dig race.
If they put the 9 speed in the Q50 red sport I would be a game changer
The length Sam will go to validate his 2022 “car of the year” pick always makes me smirk; it loses to everything 😂. Tires tires tires tires spinning excuses excuses.
The Mustang should of won and everyone knows it, it’s better in EVERY category.
And again, this is from a scat owner. Which made me smirk even harder.
Still love the channel. Haha
facts 😂😂😂😂 dude ALWAYS had an excuse after every race
Excuses excuse The wind was blowing too hard the tires were too slick The temperature wasn't ideal. MOPAR BABY ‼️
Scatpack
4300 lbs/485 hp= 8.86lbs/hp
Z
3550 lbs /400 hp =
8.87 lbs/hp
😅😅
So where’s the power to weight excuse
That explains allot, actually
Did you really didn't do a manual roll races come on man....
The new Z feels like the new TLX type S. Glad they made it, but a bit disappointed in the performance.
12.3@116 is disappointing stock? What do you drive?
The Z’s excuse is traction and shit factory tires you can literally hear it in the video. The TLX-s doesn’t have those issues and still under performs(straight line).
Wow I thought the scat had the worst traction off the line. I was considering waiting on the Z before I got my 1320, but think I made a good choice.
Dude, you should be paying attention to what the transmission is doing. That's what killed your races.
The one dragrace, you basically skipped over 2nd gear!..
From the roll, how about lock it in a low gear so you have instant take off (like what carwow does)
The Scatpack is dragging that poor Z like a patrol car 🚓! 😆 🤣 😂
Love the m1 Abraham's tank car....
The 350Z had Potenza as well. They were the worst tire I ever had. I run Continental extreme contact sports on my 370Z. Amazing tires.
Good race. In addition to tires, the Z needs little help from BMW (may be a b58 like the Supra? )to make it a winner!
the engine is not an issue
No please, a bmw engine would ruin the whole car, let a Nissan be a Nissan
You never make excuses for mopars you almost sounded disappointed the Z lost . You always make dodge look bad on your channel .
I find my Challenger launches a lot better in sport mode. YMMV
On a winding race track would be interesting
I think the z rolled out 7 years too late, needed 50 more horsepower. The z could have been a bigger player in the performance car market, there were a lots of camaros, mustangs and challengers being sold during the span, with the 370Z locked in the 2000s.
The Camaro is now dead and the Z is still alive- this Z is exactly what JDM rwd enthusiasts want vs a BMW pretending to be a Toyoyta.
Miata - Gr86 - Z ....Japanese rwd choices are limited as an enthusiast and until Toyota throws a turbo motor in the GR86 the Z is the only one I would even consider.
The new Z runs 10s with bolt-ons and 9s with full frame turbo upgrade on stock engine.
"Dodge, the brotherhood of muscle"
Great vid as usual.
The Z needs 50 more HP and a decent interior. That interior looks cheap as hell.
It's not well built, the underbody is all open and exposed, transmission is slow, engine is so so
Doesn’t need more power. Needs less weight. The Supra has less power and does more.
50hp will only hurt it more if Nissan doesn't add good rubber to it. Also, not sure why Sam doesn't use launch if he's says hr doesn't have traction anyway
@@787blahSupra has like 50 more whp
@@marquisbrown7937 google says the Supra has 339 to the wheels
Now who ever be driving the mopars in your channel sure launch them good, cause it looks like they awd now
You've said the word "spin" and every iteration of the word soooo much since you've been testing the Z... Just upgrade the tires and show us what it can do without wheel spin. Please.
Great vid Sam! Do you guys not warm up your tires before doing digs? Suprised the scat hooked better than the Z.
Owner of the track does not want that...to avoid damage
@@MrM4rvelous oh damn that’s right forgot to take that into account lol
@@josesecaida3668 yeah unfortunately are options are pretty limited. Most of the car youtubers in this area use the same facilities
Not warming up tires actually gives you a real life results. How many times do you do a burnout pulling up to a red light and race someone spontaneously?
Man, that new Z always seems to disappoint royaly. What a bummer.
Thanks Sam, great content!
Glad you enjoyed it!
there is just casually a GTR in the background lmao
Now imagine putting a all-wheel drive car against a rear wheel drive car with no tire from a dig without prepping the ground...Nice race keep those vids coming !
New Z is ugly, turbo charged, slow pile of garbage.
Older Z looks much better.
What are you smoking
@@iwatchfamilyguy Are you blind?
@@desmomotodesmomoto2033 I think you are. The old z Is slow outdated and uglier than the new z
@@iwatchfamilyguy No it's not. Look at 370. Fuckn beautiful with garbage interior as always.
Not suprised by the outcome.
I think dude in the z should have used the paddles your more in control of the power
Challengers are just too big, they truly are boats lol. Look how tall it is, it’s bigger than a crossover lol.
Race starts @ 2:53
Who peeped that gtr and the two eggs in the back😦
Sam hates mopars if y'all notice he's never driving the dodge!
Because I love my life
that driver of the z needs a driver mod badly first you somehow managed to bog an automatic car and then continuously short shift
And then proceeded to say the Dodge is doing well because it's boost season... 😮💨
WOW, even with all the fancy new technology and it still can't beat a car with decades old technology
Put on some 1970s glasses, you'll be seeing the first gen Challenger and Z
How are yall not gonna get the proper tires for the Z. wtf
Sam if I hear you complain one more time about the tires I will personally send you a check for 2 new tires. Just stop man
Please do
Sam really loves that Z 😂 slow just like the rest of em. He’s Shocked he lost lol
The HEMI is a Monster !!
Love 💕 it !!
You need to be in manual mode down shift aand brake boost and put it back in D in the Z it’ll be couple car lengths faster for sure
LOL
@@jscism1972 what’s lol?
I had a feeling. But with the Z always upgrade the tire’s first. Re run it from a dig
Sam i think it’s the time to change the tires for the Z and destroy everyone 😂
Is that a R34 GTR I see in the back 👀
I have a widebody challenger. You dont realize how aggressive it looks until you see one on the road or in videos. Love the car but im trading it in for a C7 Corvette Z06 "dream car." Definitely gonna miss it
Can look all aggressive it wants still weighs too much with a cheap interior, you would think after 7 years, they would update plastic lmao
@@cormaro13 too some thats the allure of old school muscle. Ive had several BMWs including a 2014 M4. The interior including the stereo was leaps and bounds above the challenger but i enjoy the manual challenger more. Its not always about being the fastest because there is always something faster. Ii dont routinely race anyways.
Depends on the driver and remember V8- and V6.
I was going to say, tires are a key factor, most of the time. I can tell you, I have a 08 Infiniti g37s coupe with Michelin power pilots fbo tuned and I get a jump on those scat packs. Great video.
man did they loan you the z until yours comes??
Make longer distance race and go rolling race like 60-65 miles so the z can have better grip and put it in the manual 3 gear. because in d mode the car take some time to downshift
love those boats
All the z fan boys are so bitter.
The scats make a lot of people bitter 🤣
That Hemi is an absolute power plant. I’m not a fan of 4cylinders or v6. Them little engines have twin turbos, ect weigh 700lbs less and still loose lol
Yet my 335i runs circles around dodge challengers and its just a little turbo inline 6😂
Spinning my foot. That Scat Pack was mopping up that little Z all over the track.
I don’t think the Z was driven properly. Tires do suck on the Z but the rolls definitely should’ve been the Z in front or at least a lot closer.
For Christ sake get some proper tires on the Z. He’s been saying in every video that it desperately needs new tires but never gets them lol.
why is dude in the Z so SALTY about losing 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Imagine been both stick shift uff
Just change the tires on the z so you can stop giving it excuses every time it loses. But I still love the videos you put out. Haven't missed one yet
It’s a press car
Ahhh gotcha. Understood