Does Ireland 'freeload' from other countries on security? - A British think-tank says we do
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- Ireland’s Security & Defence: Pat is joined by former Army Ranger & Independent TD Cathal Berry and Security Analyst Declan Power to discuss Ireland’s capabilities when it comes to defending ourselves, why our alliances are important and why a British think-tank has accused Ireland of 'freeloading' on other countries' security capabilities.
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The irish navy, the only navy in the world where you can go home for your dinner on your lunch break
they protect us , you should give thanks
@GkPhotographic seriously? No doubt they are efficient with what they have but they are patrol boats, that's all
I doubt that, unless our Navy boys and girls have learned to walk on water.
You are wrong and your comment is juvenile silliness
it looks like people on here have lost their sense of humour
As Sean Lemass said "If Europe is worth joining, its worth defending".
Europe is not a country
We do 100%, and hide behind "neutrality" as it saves us investing in defence. Switzerland is also neutral but has a strong and well respected military.
It’s not respected that much as it’s completely untested.
@@crowbar9566 But at least they make an effort .
Ireland should have adapted the Swiss Model of neutrality, a small but well equipped and capable military with conscription.
Switzerland has the highest gun ownership in Europe, but the lowest ammunition. Switzerland has national service an air force, but is land locked.
The Swiss aren’t EU members and have voted not to become one. If the EU start their own army you will be paying in.
Who exactly are we in danger of being invaded by?
@@ike637 the people the EU have told you to take in without any checks. All those doctors and nurses fleeing their countries going to host nations and turning them into ghettos. Ireland are behind the curve.
If you want to see what is really happening look at Scandinavia,
@@ike637 Vikings, Celtic Hordes, Normans, Tudor English, & now refugee's
It doesn't matter what the motivation for the report is.
It's embarrassing that we don't have the ability to patrol our own Air space and seas.
A bunch of Russian S-400 systems dotted around the coast to protect our airspace, they seem to have worked well AGAINST the Russians in Ukraine
The only country that we have had an issue is the UK. The idea that they are complaining about us not pulling our weight is hilarious. Under Frank Aiken the Irish military went up to 80 thousand men (larger than the current British military) and we have a significantly larger population now. I guarantee you they would change their tune if we had those numbers now plus drones and a submarine fleet.
Doesn't matter.
We don't have the tools needed to look after our own business at the moment.@@Hiberno_sperg
Ireland has never been serious about the armed forces because we can freeload. I'd go as far as to say , we as nation lack dignity when it comes to having a proper and fit armed forces. Our 'navy' is joke, how many boats are moored up due to lack of personal...one would be forgiven for thinking that we are not an island nation!
I strongly suspect the top brass are to blame also, have the rank, salaries and entitlements but do little, probably the same for lower rank officers too. Time for Ireland to man up and also consider conscription too with proper working conditions and salaries.
You are on playstation too much son.
@@user-yf1ll2du4x Granddad, what's that ...
@@johnmcdonnell81 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I have worked with former Irish navy officers aboard vessels in the North Sea. They are consummate professionals.
@@TooBadJim I'm sure they are. But it's not the North Sea where're they are required by all accounts!
It’s about time Irish people took this issue seriously and I’m glad to see some of us talking openly about it. Our defence spending is a joke.
The change of policy of Finland and Sweden should bring about a serious reflection and change of approach in Ireland too.
Look where Finland and Sweden are in relation to Russia. Now look where Ireland is.
The only country that we have had an issue is the UK. The idea that they are complaining about us not pulling our weight is hilarious. Under Frank Aiken the Irish military went up to 80 thousand men (larger than the current British military) and we have a significantly larger population now. I guarantee you they would change their tune if we had those numbers now plus drones and a submarine fleet.
There is no logical reason to have left our defence forces and navy so weak. It is down to nothing other than political incompetence, as we see repeatedly in Leinster House. They pay themselves outrageous salaries and pensions, but don't want to invest pittance in the country's defence.
Leinster house is full of EU puppets they have no interest in Ireland as a nation.they would happily let the Irish military decay more to a point where we would have no option but to join nato for some sort of defensive.
The only country that we have had an issue is the UK. The idea that they are complaining about us not pulling our weight is hilarious. Under Frank Aiken the Irish military went up to 80 thousand men (larger than the current British military) and we have a significantly larger population now. I guarantee you they would change their tune if we had those numbers now plus drones and a submarine fleet.
Neutrality means nothing when you cannot defend yourself from any attack physical and Cyber Attacks, whether you like it or not Ireland is an Island without an effective Navy, Radar or Sonar to protect basic international communications.
Twenty years ago, no-one would have commented on Ireland's level of defence spending. The huge success of Ireland's tax status and EU investment has inevitably generated a view from European neighbours that it is time for a payback, with a credible contribution to european defence. Difficult to argue against it and sympathy will disappear very quickly if Ireland responds in a slow or unenthusiastic manner.
You voted out of the EU and then got forced into another vote to make sure you stayed in.
Europe is not your friend .
It is a wolf in sheep's clothing and you will be forced into the European army without choice like they are forcing mass immigration on you.
We have loads of bicycles lanes though is that a help
Yes and you'll only get wet three days a year when you're using them according to Eamon
Not really. Fun fact, the Japanese out flanked the British in Singapore by riding bikes through Malaya, so they will likely aid the Ruskies advance.
bizarre obsession with cycle lanes.
Yes we do freeload on security, unfortunately and it’s embarrassing
Try educate yourself before speaking
@@jackthelad15 what should I educate myself on? The actual freeloading itself or the embarrassment it causes?
Neutrality and peacekeeping is an active choice that benefits Ireland. NATO has been rampaging around the world since the bombing and destruction of Yugoslavia leaving a trail of devastated countries around the world from Afganistan to Syria , Iraq, Libya and many others . Warmongering and refugees creation is not "security" . We don't need to freeload on any of that
WHY DON'T YOU HIDE UNDER YOUR TABLE,YOU SEEM TO HAVE MISSED ALL THE POINTS RAISED, IRELAND HAS BEEN FRELOADING FOR DECADES, CAN EVEN MAN A NAVY SHIP ,DON'T HAVE RADAR OR SONAR, WHAT A JOKE.DON'T HAVE A AIR CORP NEITHER.
Well said! leave them all at it, history will not judge their actions positively. All Ireland can do is continue to call out injustice as it happens globally and do our best to influence the politics behind it and in all honesty we are doing that pretty well.
One would almost think we can take our defence seriously without joining NATO or forfeiting neutrality
Sweden, Finland, Switzerland and Austria all have modern, well equipped and well funded armies. All those countries produce their own weapons. Until recently, all were neutral but well capable of defending themselves.
It's people like you that are the problem. Without an effective army, we are neutral by the consent of other nations. If someone invaded us, or destroyed our interests, if NATO weren't there we would have no chance and it would be more likely to happen. There is no excuse for not pulling our weight with defence. I'd also like to point out that people like you clearly demonstrate you don't know the first thing about NATO and western military. The great majority of examples given, such as Iraq and Afghanistan were NOT NATO. They were a coalition of two or more NATO members. Most NATO members did not participate. NATO is a defence treaty. Nothing to do with invasions or foreign meddling. You are speaking from a position of privilege, ignorance and luck.
Ireland should have mandatory 6 month military service for teenagers in basic weapons training.. if we are attacked we wouldn’t even know where to start in trying to defend ourselves without the help of other countries.. also it might teach the worse of our young people some respect and discipline.. also the British army is a skeleton of what it once was so we can no longer rely on them to defend us in the event we are attacked
More about setting aside Euros to pay for equipment.
Military service does NOT teach discipline. Military service indoctrinated obedience. That is why the 1% want you in it.
So you want to give every little skanger weapons training, what could possibly go wrong? Who would train the 100k people every year? How much would that cost?
Here's a better Idea. Pay the defence forces a decent wage and give them the proper equipment and facilities to do their job.
Don't worry we won't be attacked. We have nothing for them to steal. unless they're coming for our turf
100% you're too old to be conscripted in to do this. Never suggest something you're not willing to do yourself
Yes. There's no reason Ireland shouldn't have a bigger navy considering the size of our waters and at least a squadron of military jets and a missile defense system. The problem is government is horrible managing our financial resources to pay for it.
Fighter Jets aren't that expensive too, you can get decent ones for around $60M to $80M, and cheaper buying in bulk. The Swedish JAS 39 Gripen, of variants C and D, is one of the cheapest new 4 or 4.5 generation fighter jets around. Its cost could go as low as $30 million per piece. We could build a decent airforce as capable as any other in a few years with the right budget.
Considering that we've invested €2 bn in Ethiopia over the last decade, allowing their government to invest in an advance air force and modern military equipment, it's a bit rich that we don't have a proper army and navy ourselves.
@@videovibes56Sweden has offered the new single-seat version of the multirole Gripen to Ireland at a significant discount. Still waiting for an answer.
Well Ireland doesnt and didnt go around blowing up and invading other countries, so why should ireland need same sort of security like Us and Britain. England got what it came for when they refused to give Ireland independance, didnt need a huge army to do that, just determined self defence.
Because our security has already been breached time and time again, only for the British RAF and Navy to come protect it for us.
And other EU countries ?? You have imported a sleeping army. Who is going to save you.
It's not Britain you need to worry about. You have Russia subs and fast jets in your air space and coastal waters. The sibs could cut vital cables and the jets are hazardous to civilian air traffic as they turn off their locators. Ireland can defend against neither as it can not even detect them. Neutral countries such as Finland had their own defences. However, even they realised after the invasion of Ukraine, they would need help and joined Nato. Ireland is thd EU Achillies Heel.
Ireland needs to step up and make our defense forces up to modern standards, which is a very basic standard.
We have no right to lecture anyone about anything, we are a joke because of the clowns that we elect
The Irish government freeloads of the British military but most of all they freeload off the hard working Irish people. The Irish people desperately need better and Ireland has untapped potential if they get a sensible non-woke government in.
Are you Irish?
He's not. Guess what failed Brexit country he's from!.
@@gerardodwyer5908 why not deal with the points he raises rather than where he's from?
@@gerardodwyer5908I wouldn't throw stones from Ireland if I was you, glass houses and all that. Ireland and Irish are great, I'm trying to say ditch your status quo governments before it's too late
@gerardodwyer5908 but he's not wrong on what he is saying
That's rich. Britain depends on US and NATO for its national security. A Brit Ministry of Defence report in 2023 found that all branches of the seriously underfunded British armed forces combined did not have the capacity to defend the greater London area for more than 48 hours before capitulating against a major power (Russia, China etc). That said, the idea that our neutrality status will save us is innocent in the extreme. We need to build a viable armed forces with strong air defences, land and sea capabilities. Not the toy army, that does its best, that we have now. Smaller European countries like Denmark, Finland, Austria and Estonia can do it, so should we.
While your point has legs. Britain is a member of NATO and GCHQ is fundamental to nato. Britain is one of the few compliant contributors to nato, well before the Trump threats, from 2016 and this year.
Britain is one of the most important members of NATO...
@@gerardodwyer5908 Britain depends on nobody
N.A.T.O. the warmonger would love a little help.Leave our neutrality alone.
You as a country can be both neutral and not be in NATO. But all Neutral countries can defend there neutrality Ireland can't !!!
Without Nato you'd be speaking Russian.
You need to get a grip on reality.
Dublin would look like 1945 Berlin with all the horrors that went on.
Are you for real !!! Look what happens to country’s not in Nato
If IRL were attacked by say Russia, what would happen? Weakness invites attacks. Look at Ukraine, Belgium in WW2 etc. Every neutral country has the means to defend itself. IRL doesn't. Shame.
Bit of peace NO wars be nice .
Yeah, and I'd love to be 11 stone and married to a supermodel, but we have to face reality.
@@goldiefish72 🤣🤣
Looking at the way Ireland is run i would stay away from interfering in any grown up international discisions !!!
"a British think tank" ya right it must be true so!.
Have you listened to the post. They said, Ireland have been saying this well before this article. So your comment was debunked by the Irish themselves. As it states you have no proper air or sea defence and France has previously highlighted this weakness as a weakness of the EU territory
He's dishing out those analogies like sweets to children
We are a joke of a nation and always will be until we grow up and face the consequences of our actions and stop blaming others for our problems.
perhaps you are the joke.....tough guy
@@user-yf1ll2du4xGreat dirt with a point of view.
@@christophercoffey4231😂😂😂😂😂
@@user-yf1ll2du4x We wonder the reason why this country was ruled by the English?
@@christophercoffey4231 why?.....
Does a prominent oligarch freeload off the taxpayer ?
If we want to remain neutral, we need to stop underfunding our defense forces. This will help us, to stay out of Nato. We should not be relying on the Brits for anything in this day an age. They have the money for PR and other rubbish.
The EU army ??
@@michaelfitzpatrick6264 what?
@@dowdallerno1 you can stay out if NATO but Ursula wants an EU army and you will be contributing to that
@@michaelfitzpatrick6264 do you seriously think, the people of Ireland will let that happen. Ursula can do one.
@@dowdallerno1 once the veto is gone you won’t have a choice
There is no excuse for Ireland criticising other countries for their military efforts. We are such cowards and freeloaders.
Speak for yourself, you might be a coward, no need to assume the same for the rest of us. There is no visible threat to Ireland.
@@user-yf1ll2du4x And that is the whole point they are making here. We have been protected by other countries for decades because of our strategic location (and to a lesser extent through our American ties), but that protection may not always be there and either way we need to pull our weight. But am I replying to an Irish citizen or one of the trolls based in the Russian embassy in Dublin?
you go join up then & fight for the warmongers. yeh thick@@pgilligan7794
@@pgilligan7794Protected from whom? Because if it's Russia you a free to go over a do you bit right now rather than "freeloading" off the Irish state.
@yermanoffthetelly Of course it is Russia. There are few other thugs so close to Ireland. But then are you one of the ones in the Russian embassy, causing absolute mayhem online All day, every day with relentless negative comments on anyone who suggest, helping Ukraine or , joining NATO.
To be fair its a win win, UK gets Irelands airspace from the unlikely threat of someplace like Russia wanting to invade. But the Irish still shouldn't let their penny pinching governments get away with it
We are grand! stay neutral Ireland does not need to belong to the head banging militarists that cause so much damage globally, invest some more in our own military to make it somewhat effective in the face of a potential enemy. A small air force equipped with modern jets, an effective missile defence system, a fully crewed naval service and a small standing army, these things cannot be beyond the means of a relatively wealthy country.
Neutral nations are not defenseless. We are defenseless so are not neutral. A neutral nation needs some form of defense capability in order to underline and back up its neutrality. We need at least 2 squadrons of fast jets, full coverage radar, a new fleet of navy ships with anti-submarine capability, and a layered air defense system. This is the minimum.
It's people like you that are the problem. Without an effective army, we are neutral by the consent of other nations. If someone invaded us, or destroyed our interests, if NATO weren't there we would have no chance and it would be more likely to happen. There is no excuse for not pulling our weight with defence. I'd also like to point out that people like you clearly demonstrate you don't know the first thing about NATO and western military. The great majority of examples given, such as Iraq and Afghanistan were NOT NATO. They were a coalition of two or more NATO members. Most NATO members did not participate. NATO is a defence treaty. Nothing to do with invasions or foreign meddling. You are speaking from a position of privilege, ignorance and luck.
@@globalpropertyinvestment Even if Ireland had what you suggest and possibly more it would make little difference against the destructive force of the larger military any potential attacker of Ireland would have.
Ireland's Defence Forces do require considerable investment and they will likely get it as a consequence of the new world dynamic that has developed over the past few years. Ireland is a small country it will always have a small military.
Its just a distraction were already been invaded
Ireland has the worlds largest and most formidable army of bar room politicians in the world
The position of Ireland vis-a-vis the UK is similar to NZ and Australia or Canada and the US. In each case the smaller country can afford to not take defence seriously because they know that their larger neighbour will ultimately take care of their defence. Similar debate here in NZ.
Remember the situation during WWII, British forces garunteed Ireland's independence from Germany.
Breaking News. Ex military warmongers want us to spend more money on the military. They'll have us fighting wars in far-away places before you know it.
The Russians had more than shovels and washing machines so.
We are militaristicly a joke but then who would bother attacking Ireland.
It’s not as if we engaged in conflict with our neighbours for 700-800 years…
@@seanivan5421thé UK will not invade Ireland. Russia might and the third world already has.
lol Ireland depends on UK FOR EVERYTHING! So yes army including
They were very dependable when they ran away from Iraq and Afghanistan with their tail between their legs. 😂
Brexit tells us that Ireland no longer depends on the UK for everything. However, it remains the case that Irish people do not take the defence of Ireland seriously.
Who was the Think Tank ? Where’s the link to the report ? Sloppy Pat ……
We have three boats in the navy. Enough said
Ireland would be far better having an airforce of about 250 craft and then a missile defence force to work in conjunction with that airforce. And to augment that a series of small rapid response naval vessels and then several larger expeditionary vessels to patrol the full area of Irish waters.
@@gw8147 The problem is not lack of vessels in is lack of personnel, the Irish naval service (and defence forces in general) pay reasonably well but young Irish people are not attracted to military service.
@@gw8147
Ireland is going to need a €100 billion investment in the defence for a proper naval and airforce that can patrol and defend Irish waters. It would be easier to have a large airforce and smaller navy that can both work in tandem.
@@Art-is-craft No matter how much is invested it will be worthless without sufficient personnel.
Ireland is an island nation it makes far more sense to have a larger navy backed by a small air force. 100 Billion is a crazy figure to invest in a military for a country of Ireland's size a figure one tenth of that should be more than enough.
@@fitzstv8506
A navy capable of patrolling Irelands waters and also defending the whole Island would cost far more than 100 billion. It would be far cheaper to have small navy that is augmented by an airforce that would be capable of defending Ireland. Such an airforce would be capable of defending Ireland over 1 million square miles of ocean. Such a defence force would make it very difficult for Ireland to be invaded. 100 billion is nothing for the defence of the isle of Ireland and the existence of its people.
The British Government Should End its Jurisdiction in the North of Ireland Northern Ireland Anois
Irish people still defend ireland they join the british army air force or navy we were apart of the uk theres always been a battle to recruit if want to soldier or fight with the best hardware you go north and intake
Our marine territory is 10 times larger than the land mass of the island.
They're are some disputes with some areas with other countries including the UK.
We need to spend more on our marine services such as the Coast Guard Naval service which could be upgraded with more vessels and air component along with other new components that would serve the Irish nation.
“Military illiterate” - The Irish have a way with words.
Yes we do ..Absolutely .
Our political parties and civil service having been downgrading our defense forces for years. A real neutral democracy should have a sufficient defence forces to protect our seas, air and land. When they removed a full time minister from defence 13 years ago that was the signal that our defence was was not sufficiently important.
Absolutely. We should do our share and join NATO.
We had an active reserve force that was decimated in early 2000s
Here is a reality nobody wants to face up to. Ireland needs an upfront investment into the defence forces of about €100 billion and then about 3% of gdp which is about 10 to 15 billion spent every year. And that is just to catch up with other European militaries in about a decade.
What 'catch up" ?? Stop your nonsense. Countries set gdp percentage to invest in their military. 2% is not a great amount or burden.
@@darkquintet1047 Switzerland is a neutral country of similar size to Ireland. Look at how much they spend each year on defence!
@@darkquintet1047
Nonsense?
2% is to maintain an existing force. It does not mean Ireland spending 2% will be as capable as other nations that spend 2% as they will have had decades of expenditure at that level and Ireland will not.
Why would i give my money towards the army when the health service and housing are abismal
We have soldiers walking around Rathmines in full uniform but I don't know what they do exactly
the deal of the free state with the crown was that it does not have a well equipped army. THe Irish state is still under the crown. wake up.
You are the one that needs to wake up.
Ireland hasn't been under the British Crown since 1922.
provide the decree relinquising, revoking and recinding all rights, interests in irish soil by the king. @@gerardflynn7382
Un vetted individuals seems to be our highest risk at this moment in time. How is the military investment going to help with that!.. Also I do agree what the lads are saying, its important we get this right and reclaim competency.
Ya don't need security when you have no enemies
So you don’t lock your front door late at night do you? After all you have no enemies. Your naivety is shocking
Fairy sure they mean national security pal.. and yes some times my door is left unlocked
@@darrenwhelan848 why only sometimes? After all you have no enemies right? Nobody would do you any harm? Rob your stuff? Ever crossed your mind locking your door is a form of defence? You’re defending your property. Same way Ireland needs to defend itself. We don’t need to have enemies. It was an analogy by the way. Pretty sure you lock your front door every night.
Look a hundred miles east.
A British tank funded by the Arms industry is bound to claim this, hello its their Job!
Forget the army, Ireland needs to invest in fighter jets and the navy.
Still needs an army.
The green party is inept on everything.
of course Ireland does...no doubt about it.
Ireland is a neutral country, we need to get the English problem out of Ireland.
Discouraging to say the least. Ireland needs to stop freeloading off the backs of the EU and British and whole heartedly join the NATO alliance. That would be the least expensive option. The neutrality option is allowing the back door to remain open for hostile actors and has always only favored countries like Russia who don't have to worry about you until they are ready to take you on. I am just surprised the EU hasn't said anything more publicly about this gaping security issue.
Long before Ireland could join NATO it would need to spend about 100 billion on its defence forces and spend between 10 to 20 billion per year.
@@Art-is-craft Before anyone could believe your argument you would have to convince me that is what Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania did before they became NATO members.
Ireland is blessed purely by its geography, and so will probably carry on as normal until the tectonic plates shift the Russian borders a thousand miles west
No Pat you are the freeloader.
As in Irishman living abroad, I am embarrassed at our lack of defence capability or willingness to do anything about it.
Who is going to invade us with the intention of invading the uk? By that i mean if we are unable to defend ourselves who are we supposed to be defending ourselves against? There was a real threat during the cold war from the soviets. Does Russia pose the same threat to us today? Certainly we do not take our defence seriously and i say that as some one who has been involved in the defence force for the last 35 years. Realisticly, what are we defending ourselves against and what level of defence is required for that? I find Declan Powers assessment more practical.
Just let the brits sort our air defence
As a Irish national.... I joined British army back in the in the 1970s, why because it was a professionally army, no question about it. Never had problems with it.
never had a problem, enforcing partition? Did they give you a shiny piece of metal?👏
@@dowdallerno1 another defence free loader.. Wants other s nations to cover Ireland back. And not contributing a penny
@@edbaker515 Defend us from who?, who has defended Ireland? When?
The Russian navy plan a major naval exercise over of the South West Coast Ireland, remember the headlines.
Also Ireland has agreement with UK to protect Irish airspace
So get real quick
@@edbaker515 I don't actually, I just wouldn't take the shilling, because I wouldn't do the killing, unlike some....
I’m 40 listening to these about fighting
HANDS OFF OUR NEUTRALITY
Too late , shannon is a US base
I absolutely believe that Ireland should be in a position to protect itself, it's sovereignty and it's people - but that should be done with the full recognition that the only country that has ever threatened Ireland's security interests is Great Britain.
Not true. Germany had plans for an invasion of Ireland in 1940.
@@taintabird23What came of those plans?
@Yieri-qx9yz
Spain has invaded Ireland on several occasions - really?
I'm guessing you want Ireland to join NATO since you feel the need to parse whether Norman's were Anglo French or just French.
@@mmaximk They ended up in an archive somewhere.
Create an active reserve force of cybersecurity specialist and other deciplines allow then to train the pdf
Yes it does freeload and it’s childish attitude towards Gaza comes out of a country that relies on other for its security.
Newstalk euro
Radio not irish
Perspective is important here. Ireland has economic limitations that will always restrict what it can realistically do in terms of equipment and man power. Its one thing buying fighter aircraft, ships etc etc. You need the crews and professional people to maintain all that and it costs alot of money. Yeah you're cash rich but nothing scoops like defence spending. I think Ireland could do more but how about partnering with Britain and France to help train a competent land force and develop some naval or air defence?
Ireland had a GDP of 500 billion. There are no excuses.
The British or NATO will probably start charging Ireland for its safekeeping at some stage, probably working out cheaper than investing in our own Army, but for now the freeloading is a nice arrangement 🤪
And just how would they 'charge' a fee? You do know NATO does NOT 'charge a fee' . The 2% gdp is a reccommened amount to members in contributing to THEIR OWN militaries ..each country's military.
NOT for other countries military.
Learn something before you talk nonsense.
You do know Ireland is not a member of NATO? Your point is irrelevant.
NATO is a collective security system: its independent member states agree to defend each other against attacks by third parties. Therefore, they do not have to protect Ireland and should only do so at a price. That's how they "charge" a fee, tell Ireland they won't help protect their sea cables or skies against the Russians anymore for free. I think you need to learn something before you talk ABSOLUTE donkey scutter. Hence, the topic we are commenting on about Ireland "freeloading". You thought you were being smart there 😂 didn't really work out for you.
@darkquintet1047 you do know Ireland is not in NATO right ? You do know the topic we are commenting on too right ? You think NATO should assist Ireland for free ? Get your facts right before you comment.
2 education ministers & finance ministers. 😠 😡
They might as well "throw biscuits at Russia "... Russian Army has won.
The cheek of declan
The whole situation is a twisted mind approach ,we must buck up and cut out the red tape...
Yes we do
8:30 the Green Party are military illiterate, well their illiterate at most things why not defence too😅
Yes, they do. In the event of ireland being attacked, there is an MOU with the RAF that they will protect them. They keep it very quiet.
Attacked by who?
@@MrLeadb1 Russia might consider it if they win in Ukraine and NATO does not stop an invasion of the Baltic states.
@@patrickmccutcheon9361 The nonsense that you guys dream up is embarrassing. You thinking has no basis in reality.....it is completely driven by a media that is completely owned by elites that make money from feeding you sh*te
@@patrickmccutcheon9361 Russia just wanted Ukraine to be neutral and not a puppet state of NATO. Russia is not a threat to Europe and most definitely not a threat to Ireland.
Yes, we do.
Meh-heh-heh.
Yes
I think main issue here is Ireland not buying enough weapons 😂
Ireland does 'freeload' on defence from other countries. Although it is freeloading off the United states not britian.
Im surprised how many people are taken in by this nonsense that Britian guarantees Irelands defence. Absolute nonsense. Britians military has vastly reduced in size and capability in recent years and in the event of Ireland being invaded (higgly unlikely as that is) it sould be the USA leading the resuce mission
Britains air defence systems are the very thing that protects Irish air space due to Ireland not having any ability to perform those duties. When it comes to rapid scrambling of air assets only Britain can do that for Ireland. Now that is an enormous risk factor.
@Art-is-craft and you also understand that in the unlikely event of a large country like Russia or China, launching a military invasion of Ireland that it would be the USA leading the defence of Ireland.
Also, can you not see that when the RAF patrols Irish airspace it does so with a view to protecting Britian 🤔
@@aor3220
Britain defends Irish airspace due to historical guilt out of the bad things that happened in the past and may also feel they have some responsibility for Ireland current state. It is not just for military incursions that they protect Irelands air space but for terrorism threats as well. There is an automatic assumption that Britain and the US will have the resources available when WW3 comes into play to protect Ireland.
It's got nothing to do with feelings of historical guilt. Most people in positions in the British army wouldn't know much if anything about anglo-Irish historical relations. I think its naive of you to make a statement like that.
States do not behave in altruistic ways, and the British state patrols Irish airspace because its in Britain's security interest to do so.
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The decision is purely political and cannot be made by the military of either country.
everybody should be embarrassed
Yes definitely,at some point we need to contribute to the international security as well as benefit from it.
What benefits? Who has ever protected Ireland? When? How?
@@readesiun988 if you literally don’t know anything about the modern world and how it works then I’m sorry but I don’t have all day to explain it to you.
@@readesiun988are you living under a rock? The UK has warded off the Russian military from Irish waters and airspace for decades now. Imo, Ireland has no right to condemn British military actions abroad if we depend on that same military for our national defence.
@@Prodrentjet And of course you can back up that statement with proof. Even if that were true, they would be doing that to look after their own interests, not Ireland's. So where was the British navy when the Russian navy were doing their war games and the Irish fishermen got in their way. The British navy or R.A.F. were busy that day
As a neutral country do contribute to International security via the UN
A fantastic balanced discussion.
Ireland doesn’t invade other Countries or cause wars!
That doesn't mean we don't need our own defense forces. If Russian jets/ships invaded our air space/ waters we would be straight on to the RAF to come save us.
@@JOHNfuknRAMBO I believe the US, the EU and the UK would step in.
Why should they step in when we do not have the will to invest in our own defense? In the event of a World War, it is quite naive to expect help when our nation state friends may be struggling to survive themselves.@@MyNextGuestPodcast
Neither does Ukraine.
Conscription or compulsory national service should be considered.
Paying decent wages should also be considered.
No😂everyone elese free loads of the Irish people
2 per cent
Ireland never colonised another country or made enemy's all over the world so the British should at least protect our waters , they owe us I believe !
Irish people have fought for a long long time to ensure that english leave us to ourselves. Why turn that around?
Ireland has plenty of enemies. The Israeli's hate us for a start because we are not neutral on Palestine; the Russians have no respect for our neutrality and only understand strength.
Si vis pacem para bellum
Since the invasion of Ukraine, we should be investing in our defence again. We should be putting our fair share of resources - we are totally exposed to any threat and need the UK to bail us out if anything ever happens. We will always be small but we need to start building something.
Why?
@@TheTimdoyle why not ?
@@Bistonounou123Russia is no threat to Ireland, the real threat is NATO getting to dip a new source of taxpayer.
@@Bistonounou123 Because it’s a a waste of money and is in contradiction to one of the ideals that the country was founded on.
Neutrality is a strength in itself.
All those wishing for an army are usually those who will never be drafted in wars they will be fully enthusiastic about.
@@TheTimdoyle Traditionally, a neutral state could only be truly neutral if it had the ability to defend that neutrality. De Valera was prepared to defend Ireland from invasion from either Germany or the UK while being neutral. Modern Ireland has a population where there are no circumstances under which most of the population would defend their freedom or way of life from invasion. They would immediately surrender.
In Ireland over the decades after the Second World War, Irish people started to confuse neutrality with pacificism.
UK here we free load our self's .
Why care what england think we have Germany and the European Union to mind us lol another joke
Listen to the Defence grifters. Ireland has no borders, so what is there to defend?
You do not think Ireland is worth defending. You cannot truly believe that.
We pay a lot for this, and they use our airspace when they like. There's a lot we do to accommodate the Western military machine, so there's no piggybacking going on
It is not morally inept or incompetent to be neutral. What an ignorant thing to say.
What are the hypothetical circumstances under which you would be prepared to defend Ireland from a hypothetical invader.