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Scientists at Argonne National Laboratory are trying to build the perfect battery.
Lithium-ion batteries are the gold standard, but there is much progress to be made. For example, one improvement would be to create solid-state batteries in order to eliminate the need for the flammable electrolyte that is inside lithium-ion batteries.
Solid-state batteries also could have three times the energy density of lithium-ion batteries, which might allow things like electric flight.
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Just pinning responses and clarifications to technical questions here because the comment got a bit buried. It's in the thread with @SwuuschifyMe below and we encourage you to read the full and thought-provoking discussion if you're interested! For what it's worth, we shared this video with the folks at Argonne before releasing it to check for accuracy, and they had no edits or corrections.
3:15 Lithium scarcity is more complex than just how common the element is within the earth’s crust - it’s also a question of how easy, affordable, and sustainable it is to obtain that element. Beyond the pure practicalities of getting our hands on more lithium atoms, there are also the regulatory and geopolitical implications, as well as the complexities of refining lithium. All of these factors contribute to lithium's scarcity relative to the demand for it. We’re not the only ones who feel this way, and many people predict we could see shortages in the next few years: www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/07/electric-vehicles-world-enough-lithium-resources
To be clear, we don’t think lithium will go away as a key component of some batteries, but many researchers (some in this video!) are very keen to explore alternatives that are more affordable and sustainable to obtain and would offer additional benefits. In the future we think there will likely be a lot of different battery chemistries, including many that rely on lithium.
3:25 There is a difference between an electrolyte and the ions dissolved within it, but we felt that it might be splitting hairs to disambiguate between them in this video - especially since many electrolytes (like lithium hexafluorophosphate) do contain lithium. This is the same approach many folks seem to take when describing lithium’s role within a battery, including experts we consulted with, for the sake of simplicity. In retrospect we can see how the wording could be better!
3:55 On the various weights of zinc and magnesium relative to lithium: we’re referring to the energy density in terms of volume. We also understand that some of these chemistries would be heavier and therefore less suitable for certain applications, that’s also something that Dr. Venkat Srinivasan addresses in the video when he talks about the different constraints that various batteries will need to work within for different applications. The size, safety, and charging requirements will be very different for a grid battery, as compared to something like a battery for a mobile device or vehicle.
4:30 There are other synchrotron facilities, we don’t mean to imply that there aren’t. Argonne is a unique place that brings together a lot of specialists in the field of next generation battery technology, and provides them with on-site access to a powerful resource like the Advanced Photon Source on site, which we feel makes it one of a kind.
5:50 Also - we weren’t actually worried that the lithium would explode because of a humid environment. But lithium does have a reputation for reacting to water in pretty stunning ways (czcams.com/video/Vxqe_ZOwsHs/video.html) and our voiceover often takes a playful approach to these sorts of things!
The Next Generation of Batteries
Graphene technology is not the future, it has already hit the market
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I am a battery researcher just like our guests here, in fact I sometimes come to Argonne for similar experiments... there's problems here
3:15 Lithium scarcity is BS. It's one of the most common elements in the crust and if you had looked, you would have found that it is not a problem. What's the material scarcity of today's batteries? Well it's Cobalt, mostly.
3:25 Lithium is not the electrolyte...the electrolyte facilitates the transport of Lithium ions. A pretty fundamental thing to mix up
3:55 2-3 times of what? There is a place for Zinc and Mg batteries but they also have fundamental downsides, for example Zn batteries are heavy af (10 times heavier than Lithium) and therefore mostly useful if space is an issue, for example it would be a good grid storage option if aqeuous (water based) Zn batteries would work out.
4:30 Argonne is definitely not the only place where they do this. It's called a synchrotron facility, and there's five big ones in the US alone where they all do this. And there's dozens all over the world.
5:50 Lithium doesn't explode. It doesn't even catch fire if you throw it in water. It's the least reactive Alkali metal. They have a dry room because oxidized Lithium is useless in a battery, and Lithium reacts much faster with water than with just oxygen.
Appreciate the skillful narration but there's a lot of fundamentally wrong statements in here, too. Did the scientists that appear here get to see this video before release?
thank you, i was getting sort of miffed when these statements popped up
Thanks for the Info!
I once again grow more and more glad that I take things from these videos with a grain of salt. General idea is usually right, but details are better known by specialists in the field
This comment should be pinned.
Even the comment about oil being replaced by lithium... you don't burn lithium and you only have so much per car... ever... then you recycle it.. A few hundred lbs for a million miles is a lot better than 100lbs of fuel for 350 miles..... not a fair comparison. We are comparing hundreds of thousands of kms to a few thousand in terms of weight of material used.
LMAO @ the Sega Game Gear comment... "Mom, I need more batteries - I want to play for another 6 minutes."
I know right. I miss my game gear
The Next Generation of Batteries
Graphene technology is not the future, it has already hit the market
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DC adapter was always clutch
I always take the batteries off remotes when I need them.
Brought back memories of always playing near the outlet haha
The slow progress towards “the perfect battery” is the ultimate proof that we have not been visited by aliens; and in particular, that said aliens have not “given us their advanced technology.” Because if they did we would long ago have had fantastic batteries.
All praise to the consistent dedication and hard work by generations of scientists and engineers.
How can you be so sure that the development hasn't reached that stage yet? Many secret kept secret for years and will be released when they think the society is ready for it
@@lillyshield1915 >Well, for two things: commercial airlines and shipping companies. Corporations don’t get much bigger than those -which would be pushing the hardest for electric propulsion. Opposite all of that is common paranoia.
The idea that aliens visited us and gave us all the technology we have is utterly stupid.
Aliens are smart, why would they use primitive battery when they can pull infinite energy from the ether?
Not necessarily true, since when do aliens have an obligation to provide you with a perfect battery?😂
Round of applause to the person who made this video. So many meme references. On point. This video is informative as well as entertaining. World need more of these.
Are you sure lithium ion batteries use lithium as an electrolyte? I always thought it was either the anode or cathode. 3:25
It is. They made a mistake.
the electrolyte is the transporter of the lithium
The fact that we’ve been using single-use disposable batteries for our devices is insane. Most small-scale batteries are now available as rechargeable USB-C/Micro-USB. This is an immense money-saver, let alone waste-reducer.
Well theres a lot of devices that least long with single use batteres making those devices cheaper
I love the subtle humour between the narrator and the information. It’s all so nicely woven. Such a great video style.
I'm excited about the future of Aluminum Air batteries... Imagine the 100% recyclable battery!
For airplanes they would be the perfect fit. The crux is to solve the battery swapping problem, many small battery modules would solve it.
good old lead acid is 100% recyclable, well maybe 95% but close.
nothing is 100% just delusion
@@ogaimon3380 Wrong. My wife can spend 100% of my hard earned money in a matter of minutes.
Li is 100% recyclable
the memes the animation, the research, just finished the video, keep up the good work. It looks like you will need to add more info in future videos, so it doesnt driple into the comments.
Waiting for the Thunderfoot video to come.. magic words: batteries, 2-3 times the energy density
The sad part is education at primarily level always tells that it's difficult and costly to store electricity and the guy who challenges this difficult is the real hero ...
People 100 years ago - we will have flying cars, everybody will be happy, there will be no wars, nobody will work, we will have robots. People now: we will have better batteries.
Comparing batteries to oil is like saying that batteries magically come fully charged. You still have to charge the batteries. Oil stores energy stored from long ago.
This is great! The way out of our current situation is not all these cut backs and taxes but INNOVATION... because these innovations can be picked up by countries that are still developing and have huge populations e.g., China and India and Brazil... who are not imposing taxes and cut-backs...
India has 1.4 billion people now, caught up to China. World reached 8 billion population in 15 November 2022.
@@fynkozari9271 Its all downhill from here... maximum childbirth occurred in the year 2000... we are better at not dying than we are at making new humans...
I have patented a closed-loop system using electrolysis and either fuel cells or an engine I have patented called the Ringine to store energy in high-pressure hydrogen and oxygen gases, and then recover the energy by passing it back through either the fuel cell(s) or the Ringine (the Ringine appears to actually be MORE efficient than the fuel cells). We are preparing to detail engineer the Hydrox version of the Ringine to demonstrate the technology. This is a TOTALLY closed-loop system that can be very small or VERY LARGE and store enormous amounts of energy in extreme density due to the application of electrolysis to 'split' millipore-pure water. We can store about 2Mw-hours in about 150 gallons of water. We are talking about industrial-level power storage to allow power from green sources to be stored in huge amounts so that our world can be power at night by solar energy. We have also developed a system that utilizes solar thermal energy to desalinate or purify seawater or brown water and purify it AND produce electricity as a BY-PRODUCT by utilizing the Ringine. We are currently preparing to build a tech demo of that system because we feel water is ever-more critical and since we can produce BOTH power and purify brown or seawater simultaneously, we should pursue that avenue first, then this: We have also developed a solar-thermal power production system using a closed-loop highly distributable steady-state cycle that produces electricity at 35% to 45% overall system efficiency; we truly believe this, all put together, is the 'way forward'. And this is just the tip of an iceberg I'd love to tell you about. @Freethink, you need to be aware of this. I would be glad to present it to you. Let me know if you are interested. This is vetted by several professional engineering firms and MS&T, and their ME Department and it's Head has lead in Federal funding submittals we are still waiting on, and they will vouch for this.
I worked in a battery factory around 20 years ago, it was a joint venture with British, USA military and Mitsubishi - The batteries that was made was for space and military agencies as well as private health care - The batteries they made could last almost 2 years nonstop unlike a Duracell battery that at full energy output would only last 2 days. So why are they not selling these batteries to the public because it makes no money,
I laughed a little more than I would in a Freethink video
Great content
Ah yes lemme just plug in my new electric car to the fossil fuel powered power grid, very efficient, am saving the planet
No more burning something for energy?
There goes the Fireplace Channel.
This reinforces my desire to install solar panels and batteries.
You had me dying at Bat communicator.
7:25 “So… picture a scenario, where we had ubiquitous energy storage. Between Solar, Wind *a n d* nuclear, we could generate all the electricity we’d ever need without burning fossil fuels”
As someone who lives in Germany, where even imagining a grid where nuclear energy plays a role is unthinkable (We’re at the point where you’re smeared as right-wing if you advocate for nuclear energy) and where the renewables-only strategy is becoming the only strategy that’s allowed to be thought to the point of *degrowth* becoming a widely accepted future, it feels so refreshing to hear, that other countries aren’t laboring under the same delusions and are looking for a way to seriously decouple economic progress from emissions!
especially now where they have to import gas from russia, couldve just built a few nuclear reactors, but theres still some lingering fear from the chernobyl disaster in 1986, although technology has increased exponentially since then and there should have been better failsafes developed. But i guess it is what it is, germany is a very densely populated country so idk where they'd put the nuclear reactor without causing massive uproar, plus it might somehow poison water supplies or something idk
@@antares946 Radiation leaks into water are unheard of, as cooling loops that lead back into rivers are thrice removed from the core itself through heat exchangers.
And even if, for instance in permanent storage, the nuclear waste casks were to leak, even in the most pessimistic studies, the increase in annual radiation dose is a mere 10 microsievert.
Just for context: People’s annual radiation exposure sits between 1000 and 9000 microsievert with a median of around 2000 microsievert.
A return flight between Frankfurt and New York adds 100 microsievert.
There’s so much fearmongering and disinformation out there… I wish we could finally have a serious conversation about the issue without ideology.
God finally a science/economics/finance channel that tells jokes that are actually funny.
Whomever did this edit, just wow! not only was it entertaining because of the content … the jokes are on point, keep it going 🙌🏻
'Either way I'm sure it'll be fun' lol
In Australia 20million vehicles and
20million buildings.
All buildings are connected to the national grid.
EV batteries are 100kwh for the long drive.
Daily drives are 7kwh.
EVs are parked 23/7/365.
EV selfparking means that they can 'nuzzle' onto a low mounted wall power point when parking.
EVs can be part of the existing national grid.
20million × 100kwh = 2,000gWh
This is 3.3 times more than the maximum fossil fueled generated electricity daily. If you are lucky.
This is 5 times more than avg daily fossil fueled generation. Today.
In a no fossil fueled world, 5 times more electricity is needed and 5 times bigger national grid.
Poles and wires to the streets and homes and businesses and industries and buildings and all the ends of the existing national grid.
If the existing national grid is UNLOADED by the 40% of home supply, and the the home feed in was 40%, then generators will only need to supply 20% of today's electric demands.
20million buildings with rooftop solar pv 33kwh, = 660gWh daily = today's fossil fueled maximum and more, daily.
Less sun then a few more panels.
Most roofs are 100m2 and more.
Central concentrated electrical power generation is economically stupid and expensive because of the extreme costs of the national grid. 5 times bigger national grid is insanely economically stupid.
This is very good editing and scripting. It was simultaneously informative, yet entertaining which is not always easy to do.
They also need to develop a battery that will safely, fully charge in the time it now takes to fuel up the tank in your internal combustion engine car.
Won't be a battery, that'll be an ultracapacitor. Ideally one lined with Graphene to increase it's storage.
@@acarroll6842 its*
@@JorgetePanete calm down
@@JorgetePanete its no different with its or it's
@@alexamderhamiltom5238 Learn English.
Love that this kind of research is ongoing. However, this video affirms that a fossil-fuel-free world is still a LONG ways off. Just try to imagine how long it will take to re-build our entire electric distribution/generation grid, considering the current grid took over 100 years, and we still haven't really figured out a way to replace most fossil-fuel use. Meanwhile, our current "leadership" seems to think this technology is already available and can be implemented overnight with the swipe of a pen. Think of the $$$ Billions we are now spending on the increased price of currently available energy, massively increased cost due to politicians buying votes, money that should instead be going to fund the future. Shameful waste.
part of it is because the fossil fuel industry has intentionally blocked funding towards creating carbon-free energy for decades
@@avinashreji60 - Bullshit. Energy companies are actively seeking ways to profit from green energy, not block it.
Exactly, we arent capable of replacing internal combustion yet and wont be for a while. Politicians dont want to have dirt on their hands and instead of letting us domestically produce oil they make us rely on human rights violating dictatorships that have barely any environmental guidelines.
I'm not even gonna watch the video since it's probably not gonna happen... For the past 15 years i have seen articles, videos, etc, about new battery technology and the only thing that happened is that Lithium batteries got better over time. I'm really tired of all these. Yes, maybe some niche new bateries have emerged, but my phone still holds charge for a few days at most, the same it did 15 years ago.
2:48 "and decrease the cost of these batteries" - specifically the cost to manufacture them. Retail prices go up as a result of providing better value.
"Solar energy production is cheaper than fossil fuel production, as long as we don't include storage costs, or waste disposal costs."
Exactly why (also because of nuclear fusion generators) we need more efficient batteries. Current ones are not allowing us to exploit the full energy these sources provide.
@@garr_inc + ratio
Still cheaper than fossil fuels, since we don't really calculate the externalized costs of turning the planet into a polluted un-inhabited wasteland of extinction events.
Yeah are you taking the costs of removing the expelled C02 and other emissions of fossil fuels into account or are you just gonna swallow Aramcos bullshit without second thought.
“Waste disposal costs”. What are the potential economic costs of global warming due to burning fossil fuels? Just this month, Alaska completely canceled the snow crab harvest, a $200M industry. Why? Because global warming has altered the habitat of snow crabs, leading to a 90% reduction in the crab population over just a couple of years. Barring a big surprise, odds are good you won’t ever eat snow crab again.
The mistake is to think of only one battery solution!? The future is many battery solutions depending on their usage. Small batteries for the consumer vs huge Vanadium redox batteries for businesses which are proven to be very efficient!
Engineers have to be honest, any dishonesty stifles progress: Note he said, “Renewables are the cheapest generators of electricity”. Plus transmission, plus storage and they are no longer the cheapest form of energy.
United States is one of the few countries that gives it's adversaries (the Chinese) the equipment and resources they need at it's National Labs to build the future technologies, then this happens (search it):
*US-funded breakthrough battery tech just simply handed over to China* - By a Chinese scientist.
or
*Former Los Alamos nuclear scientists aid China’s advanced weapons* - More than 160 Chinese scientists.
Well China started its first solid state battery line back in 2018. I am pretty sure we would have more advancements if everything didn't have to be political. China produces the most energy from renewable sources in the world.
If low storage capacity is a "THING" perhaps Teslas' concept of Broadcasting energy could minimize the need for being still while charging batteries. Why not charge as you drive on a highway?
Yeah, it will be fun
Very interested to see how big oil makes this disappear.
I really hope that there are research about materials for fire resistant batteries to alleviate accidents caused by battery explosion. Apparently, it is hard to stop the fire produced from battery.
Apparently if a car battery blows up its supposed to be submerged in water for a couple of days or something like that.
I mean, it’s not like i.c.e cars don’t catch on fire
We need more people like this to make a difference in the world, and not another politicians
Batteries are dead, welcome to the age of the super capacitor. You'll hear this phrase in a future.
Great ballance of information and humor. Love it.
These people are trying to change the world for better and they may or may not succeed. These people are the real heroes and need to be celebrated not the fake celebrities we have in today's world.
the fact that they went through and answered the hard questions... subscribed. This is what i want yt for.
The newest progress was accomplished by a German company when they developed a Graphene Supercapacitor. They solved the issues with capacitors to the point that they now do more than the lithium Ion batteries, like charging in minutes and being able to drive a 1,000 miles on a charge. If their marketing is correct it will totally change what we now think of as batteries, and if Elon Musk was smart he'd buy the company, or they will own the whole of the battery industry !!!
What's the company name
@@pkproductions1623 I was hoping that you all would look it up with the search on CZcams. Here is the video I watched.
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There are many many videos of this type, but it is Skeleton the German company who professes to have solved the Capacitor issues by using Graphene.
The most advanced technology invented by human is "boiling water". LOL
Wave power generation is still relatively speaking a tiny part of the renewable energy pie, but it is growing.
It's simple Quantum batteries that self maintain their charge.
Quantum Vortex generator and battery in one or otherwise known as Zero Point Energy.
And yes they are real I know how to make them.
In depth breakdown on Quantum Vortex generator and battery in one. In my CZcams channel about tap.
6:35 I loved that movie! So underrated
The editing in this video convinced me to sub.
How many videos of the New Battery Savior must I watch, none seem to come to market.
The biggest hurdle to tackle in green energy is replacing the 15 trillion dollars of fossil fuel infrastructure globally in a humane fashion.
I'd love to see something about scaling production of batteries. There has seemingly been a revolutionary "proven" battery technology every week for 20 years but yet few improvements hit the market. Scaling any invention is always the hard part.
He lost me when he said "flammable liquids "… its the lithium metal that burns / explodes
What a flog
Full vid was super interesting!!
i remember asking my condensed matter physics professor about new battery technology and he replied making a new type of battery is ridiculously difficult.
Well I wouldn't call coupling a particle accelerator to an AI something I can do in my backyard :D
important research that we need, shame that we keep burning even though we know that it's not good
So, what’s new here? Nice to watch and conclude that it’s difficult, but we’ll get there.
6:02 Casio is indispensable for engineers.
It's crazy to think of batteries as the future, when they can never be anywhere near as energy dense as fossil fuels or hydrogen. The latter is clearly a more sensible solution.
Just put radioactive elements inside a man made diamond.
Link to source plz
Great to watch, research is the key - salute to all the people struggling to conserve burning fossil fuel. But the narration made me watch this twice. Awesome job with the script.
Water is an idea fuel. After splitting the molecule, it’s combustion reaction produces energy it recombines back to water. With the discovery of negative index meta materials, plasmonics, lasers, and other nanotechnologies. There is a way to split these water molecules for hydrogen fuel or even a plasma field for energy.
You hsbe no idea what urgent talking about
I love the humor
A battery is a long term capacitor and a capacitor is a short term battery.
Devices that store electricity are called Accumulators not Batteries. Batteries use chemical energy to produce power and are not rechargeable.
I really hate clickbait titles like the end of something. When you can make an argument, then please do not click bait
You said that “humanity release energy by setting things on fire” and that batteries are new but the oldest recorded battery dates back to about 250BCE to 250CE. Look up Baghdad Battery if you’re interested.
Video narrator has a fundamental confusion between energy storage/transportation with energy generation
Memes and bullshit jammed in there to pad for time, all to say that we're not close to anything. This is the Future of Science Videos.
or a small portable generator onboard, the ZPM.
They've been saying this for years. Lithium is the best we got.
Just to confirm i subscribed to the channel, because I like the content very much.
Lithium is not environmentally problematic to obtain nor are lithium batteries difficult to recycle (they are actually quite profitable to recycle!), it is primarily the cobalt which is the problem. In regards to "1-2 TONS per kg of lithium", okay, and your point is...? 2 tons of water really isn't much compared to many industry uses and water is obtained large-scale from desalination plants near the oceon. Further, 1kg of lithium would produce ~9kwh (about 160g/kwh, but some batteries use significantly less lithium metal) which is a large battery. A tesla power wall is about 13.5kwh for comparison.
In terms of alternatives to li-ion, there exists LTO and LiFePO4 which are quite popular for certain use cases and contain no cobalt. There are other less popular lithium chemistries that exist with improved lifespans and energy densities but other disadvantages.
To live happily and forever , we need to add a spiritual dimension to our Smarthome.
I wouldnt consider nuclear safe, because of the chernobyl disaster, also produces nuclear waste and you need to mine uranium always
I think it comes down to the efficiency of the lectronics that use the battery and the quality of the battery. Bear in mind that batteries leak from new where as a fuel tank that holds liquid fuels never leaks unless you damage it. Liquid fuels are lightweight too which is way better for heavy vehicles that are involved in transport.
Never change
I love this videos
lithum is +1 and there a material +2 & +3 so we may can increas the energy 3 times
when he seid that i dropped the video, he doesn't know the basic of electrons movements, to move the second electron you nead more energy than the first, maybe double or tribble or even 10 times
🔥We dont need hard reset. Make it easy and upgrade reset!
What about graphene?
Wow your writers still think its 2002. Your references are older than most of your audience.
I’m predicting 3 new types of batteries per year for the next decade. It’s going to get good.
Better batteries aren't the breakthrough, only a groundwork for the rest.
I had to re-wind to watch that sega game gear reference, just to make sure I heard that right.
We need graphene batteries and the Chinese car company GAC has created one and using in their new car the Aion.
And we don't have to mine it, we can use "flash graphene" to create large amounts of graphene by using plastics or any carbon based "feedstock".
7:12 this clip was taken from the Portal 3 game.
Star Labs is outstanding although it's fiction but awesome ....cisco ramon is my favourite one
Starts at minutes of 1:17 showing battery module , cells, fuses and BMS.
The music reminds me of risk of rain.
god stop with all the superhero references, i can see the pain in that woman's eyes when you call her ironman
these should be the world doing not making weapons against each other.... hoping for your breakthrough for the advancement of humanity.
very well narrated and created. thanks
Fundamental wrong. If you create amazing new batteries don't put them in every home. Rather put them in every industry.
Homes could easily become storage vessels for industry’s when people are at work. And pay the homeowners for its use.
Perhaps you don't want them in every home, but if every home had them, you wouldn't need to worry about grid stability if you have a large enough capacity you can cut off from the grid as needed.
Lithium acting as Electrolyte 😮
I wonder why there isn't any good battery replacement from this new battery on the sales market easily available. Even if it does, it cost so much more expensive, not cheaper or good replacement at all!!!
Who noticed it's Jerryrigeverything as the voice actor
I don't think so
@@p19shelt yh i later realized it wasnt him.
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