Even without thinking about his situation that’s where I put him based on his poor play and lack of touch and athleticism which I feel limits his upside
@@scuproductions lmao OK so "we talking like senguin is a crazy young player"but the video u just watched has him top 5 in this draft? We felt he should be higher but there's only 4 spots higher he can go which is a small jump up? U must be slow 😂😂😭😭 where should he be ranked since you know so much genius lol
Scottie has the highest ceiling out of anyone in this class, his two way play combined with his elite physical tools put Scottie in a class of his own. Top 5 should go 1. Scottie, 2. Sengun, 3. Mobley, 4. Wagner, 5. Cade
You definitely didn't watch Cades rookie season... He was balling then and still is today. It's not his fault is team is completely trash. Anyone averaging 7 assists on one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the league WHILE having the highest usage in the league on the worst team in the league is amazing.
Does this guy actually watch ball? How is Cade still at #1, sengun at #5 and Scottie at #3??? I’m convinced he’s just stuck on 2k and not actually watching the games lmao
Taking Cade at one is laughable. No way he's better than Scottie. I'd even take Alp and Mobley ahead of him, potentially Wagner. People gassing Cade for no reason.
Idk, I'm a Pistons fan and though it might sound like I'm being Bias, I would still draft Cade #1. Scottie Barnes had Pascal Siakam to play with and he's been there for his whole career so far. The reason he looks so good now is because he's in a system that built around his playstyle and veterans to learn from and develop his game. Cade does have that, so to see Cade going somewhere else and being in a system like Orlando, Cleveland, or Toronto with a system built around him could also warp how we see Cade today. Where you go does play a factor...
@@rico2staxxRight. Though his poor production this partially on him, the other part is on the Pistons. If Cade had more floor spacing and shot creation around him, he would be doing so much better. Im would still take Cade #1
@@gameknotz3602 having siakam in toronto is a detriment to barnes' development not a help. lol. and toronto is not built around scottie at the moment. you are mad to believe this. if it was built around him, siakam woulda been traded and schroder would not have been signed. the starting 4 litterally has 1 shooter in og and 3 non shooters. in what world is that a system built around scottie? lol
Having Sengun at 5 is just laughable like u know nothing about ball. Sengun, Scottie and Mobley are by far the best players and they also contribute to winning basketball.
I like that you touched on the basketball aspect of Josh Giddey because people need to notice that even if the off court issues never came up that he was still on track to finding himself off this team. He cannot fit next to Shai by really any means. If possible, try to finesse a team that is still willing to bank on his potential before all the legal issues resolve themselves. And if you can trade him for another young wing who fits better at the 2 next to Shai AND he doesn’t beat the case then you’ve hit the jackpot. Just wishful thinking though.
Having the Spurs take Johnson in this re-draft is a thumbs up for me with how good he's been for the Hawks. I remember watching Matt's livestream of the draft and how shocked he was, me included, when the Spurs took Primo. I thought it was whatever though, it's unfortunate what happened with him. But with Sengun breaking out, I'm pissed the Spurs didn't take him when they easily could have. Imagine if the Spurs still got Wemby, those 2 together would be fun to watch. Lastly, Reaves would have been a great pick too if Johnson and Sengun were taken
Cade at 1really killed this for me. I do no agree with the parity (need to correct the captioning, you put PARODY) you're seeing in the Top 5. I think there is a cluster f*ck of parity approx 6-15, with Cade a clear drop top 5, Franz 4, Mobley, Sengun, and just slightly over Sengun is Scottie. Scottie and Sengun still have so much ceiling, what and exciting draft class.
@@nicyee3701 cavs are 21st in 3pa and 23rd in 3p% and that doesn’t take into account Allen who doesn’t take 3s. And the spacing on the raptors is even worse
@@akz2628 Yes Scottie could likely fit anywhere as long as he's utilized, you don't know what you're talking about with Mobley, He's in an amazing situation for himself. Shooters all around, a very good center doing all the heavy lifting for him so he can play weak side help.
@@e1ic1 Kispert is one of the worst defenders in the league and he can’t rebound or pass and will be 25 this season. On a good team he’s no more than an 8th-10th man and has little chance of being more than that the guys ahead of him have a shot
How the hell is Cade still a top 2 pick though lol? Dude is unbelievably inefficient and Mobley has still shown he has made zero steps on the offensive end. I don't see Mobley being so much better on defense or Cade being so much better on offense than Scottie to take either over him when he's very good on both ends.
Josh Giddey won't be out of the league if the allegations are true, but it looks like they aren't. Also, comparing his issues with Miles Bridges and Joshua Primo, both of these players who have had worse and more serious off the court issues but are both still in the league.
Why is Cade Cunningham no 1 when Jalen has out performed him at every stat? Also pretty sure Rockets would take Alperen Sengun over Mobley because Sengun can score and Mobley can't. On a team as lacking stars as Rockets they need someone who can be no 1 option over a good defender. And Sengun is already a good defender anyway whereas Mobley can't score outside layups and dunks.
How are these guy keep saying Scottie over Sengun I have no idea. Just check the stats and stop being delusional, Scottie had star minutes since day 1 Sengun only this year
Sengun definitely gets the edge on offense although not a great shooter, but Barnes has been one of the best defenders in the league this season and while Sengun’s defence has improved it’s very average
Matt, I love the channels, and I love what you said about Suggs, but Franz and 4 is a very very poor take and I gotta cut the vid short at that. He is much better offensively than Cade, Scottie & Jaylen, and is a great defender as well as way more consistent and stays healthy. Not sure why Franz always seems to get snubbed on the vids and polls from this channel
Tbh I think Cade and Mobley are too high. Mobley is just in a really good team/situation with garland and Mitchell which allows him to elevate his game + his development has been stagnant since his rookie year imo. I don’t think he’d be as good if he was on a poverty team . It’s similar to the Wemby vs Chet debate, where Chet has SGA to play off of whereas Wemby has no well established players. Cade just hasn’t shown me enough to be above players like Scottie or sengun, although I will say they both have better teammates than Cade. I’d go 1. Scottie 2. Sengun 3. Cade/Franz 4. Green/Mobley
Scottie is averaging less in every catagory except slightly more defense and a slightly higher fg % he's not asked to do as much as cade with the ball. Can't shoot free throws well. Scottie is so damn over hyped it's not even funny
@@joeshmoe2746 Scottie has higher averages more rebounds (which is to be expected) and is A LOT better on defense compared to cade. Most of Cade's higher averages is due to the Piston's offense being ran through him. But I see where you're coming from, Cade is the main focus on defense for opposing teams and his teammates are a lot worse than Scottie's. Going to have to see how Cade plays whenever he has better teammates around him.
It’s stupid to put Cunningham in the top 3. 1-Barnes 2-Wagner 3-Mobley 4-sengun 5-Cade 6-green 7-jones 8-Murphy Whoever in whatever order after this does not matter at all.
I dont see franz or mobley on the same level as cade, scottie or alperen because you can build a team/ a system around these three guys. My top 5 would be 1- Barnes 2- Sengun 3- Cade 4-Wagner 5-Mobley
Just because Wagner and Mobley can't create as much for their teammates doesn't mean they are worse than the other three. It also doesn't mean you can't build a team around them, I mean Giannis mostly creates for himself and the bucks are balling out.
Trey Murphy should have been higher than Herb Jones, Giddey and Suggs... Top 5 can go either ways but I would have Wagner and Sengun higher than Barnes... The list looks good apart from Reaves u missed
I think Scottie Barnes deserves to be 1. We talk about Herb Jones as a defender but Barnes is right up there with him when you look at steal and block percentage. His shooting is improving and he’s showing growth in his ability to become more of a playmaker.
I don’t understand why nobody talks about mobley being the exact same player for 3 years and Barnes is a better defender everywhere except at the rim and even then Barnes blocks .2 less shots a game
You are so wrong about Kuminga, He will eventually be a top 5 if not top 3. Moses Moody will be about 10. As they play for a championship time...their play time is lower so taking a bit of time for these young bucks!
Tell me you don’t watch basketball without telling me you don’t watch basketball. Dude looks at just the stats, No WAY he was watching kuminga and saying he’d rather have Corey kispert lmaooooo 😂
he is not Pistons fan. he just listed the obvious top 5 guy in order of their drafted rank. very casual. Sengun is the best of this class. this will be a thing beyond dispute in 3 months
Lol Cade with horrible efficiency and no leadership and Mobley being just a role player in a good team vs Sengun carrying even vets. :D Guy goes top 3 without a question.
I would put Scottie first, Cade second, Sengun third, Franz forth and Mobley fifth. Scottie is the best wing defender in this draft, both interior and perimeter defence, and he's able to do a lot on offence and even pass the ball, and has the highest ceiling. He can literally be a 22-24, 10, 7 guy in the league, an all star and an all defensive player(which he's showing). Cade is second, just because his development in detroit has not been great and has dealt with a lot of injuries, but can be probably a 25,6,8 guy shooting 38+ percent from 3. Sengun is third because he clearly can do the most out of any bigman in this class, and is one of the best offensive center's in the entire league(mini jokic btw). Franz is fourth, he's an above average defender(mainly cause he's 6'10), he can rebound well for a SF and can definitely pass the ball, but his shooting has been streaky(except for his recent games) and I think he's mainly just a fringe all star forward. Mobley is fifth, and for a few reasons. He plays the PF position as a flat footed 7 footer, and he cannot shoot. Mobley is one of the top defenders at the CENTER position in the league, because he in fact is a center. He can rebound, block shots, can pass a bit but it kinda like AD's passing, and he can obviously block shots but is not a great perimeter defender despite what people were seeing bits of in year 1 for him.
1. Scottie Barnes 2. Cade Cunningham 3. Evan Mobley 4. Alpen Sengun 5. Franz Wagner 6. Jonathan Kuminga 7. Herb Jones 8. Jalen Johnson 8. jalen Suggs 9.Jalen Green 10. Trey Murphy 11. Josh Giddey Not counting fit and which teams are picking
Sengun is and will be the best player in this draft, he is a game changer and superstar potential player...He will be the best center in NBA after Jokic and Embiid Ages...
Scottie, Alperen, Evan and Franz are top 4 in any order but I think Scottie has been the best player from this class thus far. Franz or Evan have been the second best.
Yall hate cade , man has no one on the team who can space the floor and basically has to really on cuts which would be good if we were in the nba of the 1990s’
Idk why everyone has a problem with Cade still being at #1. Despite how horrible the Pistons have been, over the past few weeks Cade has proven himself to be the best player from the 2021 draft class
no way cade even top 3 if ur looking to redraft at current skills. can't judge on potential or shitty situations. top 3 are barnes, wagner, sengun (all interchangeable), then mobley, then maybe cade. keeping cade at 1 is crazzzzzzyyyyyyy. mobley's defense does not cover for his lack of offense. would you put prime draymond or 3 time dpoy gobert in top 3 on any redraft. craaaazzzzzyyyyyy
Welp, obviously Austin Reaves would be top 10, I forgot him as undrafted. I do it all the time with FVV in 2016 too. Sorry about that guys
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@@mt209_ what?
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kuminga falling out of the lottery has not aged well
Sengun at 5 is hard to take this seriously
I personally think josh Giddey should be picked at 15
Even without thinking about his situation that’s where I put him based on his poor play and lack of touch and athleticism which I feel limits his upside
Trying too hard to keep a dead meme going.
@@abscindingthe situation is still going on tf you mean 💀
@jhendo17 you guys ran that joke into the ground it's not funny anymore
@@jhendo17 situation going on ≠ the meme is fresh, funny, and not ran into the ground.
1. Barnes
2. Sengun
3. Cade
4. Mobley
5. Franz
Really tough I can see an argument for all 5 being pick 1
Disagree franz is clearly #3, cade hasn’t won even a playoff game, franz is a world champion when he was 21, now he’s 22
Cade is great, rest are good
100% agree. I also think Franz should be in a tier below the other 4.
@@dmen9328 Franz is a world champion, cade can’t even stay on the court and win more than 10 games
Senguin at 5 is criminal ain't no way smh 😂😂😂
It’s actually insane…
Sengun at 5 and Cade at 1?????? Like this is such a bad re-draft lol
Yall acting sengun is some crazy young player lmao
@@scuproductions how are u this lost but have the nerve to comment smh put the phone down
@@bizzyboomin9277 talking like you know ball is crazy
@@scuproductions lmao OK so "we talking like senguin is a crazy young player"but the video u just watched has him top 5 in this draft? We felt he should be higher but there's only 4 spots higher he can go which is a small jump up? U must be slow 😂😂😭😭 where should he be ranked since you know so much genius lol
Jalen Suggs over Trey Murphy/ Giddey/ Cam Thomas is laughable. Also Sengun at 5?? He's pretty easily top 3 to me.
Giddey is garbage
😂 not the troll
My man said he don't want recency bias lol. Suggs is having a good season but it's his only good season in his short career
Agreed
Suggs is the best defender on that list, and he’s a key player in a 3rd seed Orlando team with the best def. rating in the league.
I think Scottie and Sengun r clear top 2 imo
Nahh I'd still take cade he's best to build around. Scottie is over hype on a good team.
Franz by far Better
@@joeshmoe2746u still think that?
@antshaq1 of course I think that lmao that was 2 weeks ago. How you going to ask me that after he just had a damn near 43 pt triple double.
What’s with the Barnes overhyping? Should’ve died down by now. Sengun, Franz, Cade all better
sengun at 5 being the best of those guys in this season😂😂😂
Clear 1
scottie is better than him at almost every aspect of the game @@bigradwolf5001
Very debatable pal
Scottie has the highest ceiling out of anyone in this class, his two way play combined with his elite physical tools put Scottie in a class of his own. Top 5 should go 1. Scottie, 2. Sengun, 3. Mobley, 4. Wagner, 5. Cade
completely agree with this take on scottie, but i think Mobley is way too high for a guy who can't shoot
@@mxtthewcx8if you have Evan Mobley on your team, you have a top ranked defense. A playoff team automatically
Cade
Cade
@@DetroitEasthe ain’t better than Scottie
Why tf are people are still so high on cade? He has shown nothing in his nba career so far
Are you serious?
@@carlton0124are you serious? He never registered a single win share in his life
@@Michael-kv5ffWhile playing with one of the worst constructed teams in recent memory. He's still the guy #1
You definitely didn't watch Cades rookie season... He was balling then and still is today. It's not his fault is team is completely trash. Anyone averaging 7 assists on one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the league WHILE having the highest usage in the league on the worst team in the league is amazing.
@@gameknotz3602 you just contradicted yourself he has the highest usage ofcourse he's going to average 7 assist a game
Does this guy actually watch ball? How is Cade still at #1, sengun at #5 and Scottie at #3???
I’m convinced he’s just stuck on 2k and not actually watching the games lmao
Hot take - sengun will have by far the best career out of anyone in this draft
By far? No way
Preach. Sengun will be a top 30 player by the time the season finishes. He deserves All-Star and MIP.
Scottie and Sengun will have great careers. Scottie just plays winning ball being one of the best young two way wings
Cade or Scottie
@@stretcha3787ok top 30 all time is crazy and he prolly won’t win MIP with Maxey there
Taking Cade at one is laughable. No way he's better than Scottie. I'd even take Alp and Mobley ahead of him, potentially Wagner. People gassing Cade for no reason.
He might be re-drafting based on 2k
Cause there’s no way he actually watches nba games 😂
Idk, I'm a Pistons fan and though it might sound like I'm being Bias, I would still draft Cade #1. Scottie Barnes had Pascal Siakam to play with and he's been there for his whole career so far. The reason he looks so good now is because he's in a system that built around his playstyle and veterans to learn from and develop his game. Cade does have that, so to see Cade going somewhere else and being in a system like Orlando, Cleveland, or Toronto with a system built around him could also warp how we see Cade today. Where you go does play a factor...
Nah Cade is just in a terrible situation. Cade is the best in his draft class
@@rico2staxxRight. Though his poor production this partially on him, the other part is on the Pistons. If Cade had more floor spacing and shot creation around him, he would be doing so much better. Im would still take Cade #1
@@gameknotz3602 having siakam in toronto is a detriment to barnes' development not a help. lol. and toronto is not built around scottie at the moment. you are mad to believe this. if it was built around him, siakam woulda been traded and schroder would not have been signed. the starting 4 litterally has 1 shooter in og and 3 non shooters. in what world is that a system built around scottie? lol
Having Sengun at 5 is just laughable like u know nothing about ball. Sengun, Scottie and Mobley are by far the best players and they also contribute to winning basketball.
1. Scotty B
2. Sengun
3. Cunningham
4. Mobley
5. Wagner
6. Giddey
7. Jones
Primo, green, and giddey in the same draft class. This predator draft class
green isn’t a predator?
Scottie is not at 3
I like that you touched on the basketball aspect of Josh Giddey because people need to notice that even if the off court issues never came up that he was still on track to finding himself off this team. He cannot fit next to Shai by really any means. If possible, try to finesse a team that is still willing to bank on his potential before all the legal issues resolve themselves. And if you can trade him for another young wing who fits better at the 2 next to Shai AND he doesn’t beat the case then you’ve hit the jackpot. Just wishful thinking though.
Having the Spurs take Johnson in this re-draft is a thumbs up for me with how good he's been for the Hawks. I remember watching Matt's livestream of the draft and how shocked he was, me included, when the Spurs took Primo. I thought it was whatever though, it's unfortunate what happened with him. But with Sengun breaking out, I'm pissed the Spurs didn't take him when they easily could have. Imagine if the Spurs still got Wemby, those 2 together would be fun to watch. Lastly, Reaves would have been a great pick too if Johnson and Sengun were taken
SROS Intro: I don't want this to have much recency bias.
Proceeds to pick Suggs over Murphy and Giddey.
Cam at 10 is crazy
How ?
@@Urwrong555 he is much better
@@CP32233he doesn’t contribute anything other than scoring, so if he’s not scoring he’s a negative on the court
@@akz2628 true
Scottie has been a slightly better defender than EMob so far this year
Cade at 1really killed this for me. I do no agree with the parity (need to correct the captioning, you put PARODY) you're seeing in the Top 5. I think there is a cluster f*ck of parity approx 6-15, with Cade a clear drop top 5, Franz 4, Mobley, Sengun, and just slightly over Sengun is Scottie. Scottie and Sengun still have so much ceiling, what and exciting draft class.
Scottie would go number 1
Franz
Sengun is 1 and jalen 4
Scottie is way better then Cade
Cade is the most protected draft prospect ever lmfao
He is on a horrible team that doesn't fit his style. He needs to demand a trade and leave that clown show in Detroit.
@@nicyee3701Scottie and mobley don’t fit on their rosters either but they’re good enough to make it work
@@akz2628 Just wrong, Scottie can fit on any team and Mobley is surrounded by spacing and great guards.
@@nicyee3701 cavs are 21st in 3pa and 23rd in 3p% and that doesn’t take into account Allen who doesn’t take 3s. And the spacing on the raptors is even worse
@@akz2628 Yes Scottie could likely fit anywhere as long as he's utilized, you don't know what you're talking about with Mobley, He's in an amazing situation for himself. Shooters all around, a very good center doing all the heavy lifting for him so he can play weak side help.
i'd take sengun over cade any day
Austin Reaves tho
My 2021 Redraft
1. Scottie Barnes-1a
2. Alperen Sengun-1a
3. Franz Wagner-1a
4. Evan Mobley-1a
5. Cade Cunningham-1a
6. Jalen Johnson-1b
7. Kenneth”Trey”MurphyIII-1b
8. Cam Thomas-1b
9. Herbert Jones-1b
10. Austin Reaves-1c
11. Jalen Suggs-1c
12. Jalen Green-1c
13. Moses Moody-1c
14. Jonathan Kuminga-1c
15. Josh Giddey-1c
16. Quentin Grimes-2a
17. Santi Aldama-2a
18. Jaden Springer-2a
19. Ziaire Williams-2a
20. Jose Alvarado-2a
21. Sam Hauser-2b
22. Aaron Wiggins-2b
23. Nah’Shon”Bones”Hyland-2b
24. Ayo Dosunmu-2b
25. Isaiah Jackson-2c
26. Day’Ron Sharpe-2c
27. Corey Kispert-2c
28. Davion Mitchell-2c
29. Trendon Watford-2c
30. Brandon Boston Jr.-2c
Corey Kispert at 27?
@@e1ic1 Kispert is one of the worst defenders in the league and he can’t rebound or pass and will be 25 this season. On a good team he’s no more than an 8th-10th man and has little chance of being more than that the guys ahead of him have a shot
Oh man, I love the jalen johnson respect
How the hell is Cade still a top 2 pick though lol? Dude is unbelievably inefficient and Mobley has still shown he has made zero steps on the offensive end. I don't see Mobley being so much better on defense or Cade being so much better on offense than Scottie to take either over him when he's very good on both ends.
Sengun would not drop to 5
Josh Giddey won't be out of the league if the allegations are true, but it looks like they aren't. Also, comparing his issues with Miles Bridges and Joshua Primo, both of these players who have had worse and more serious off the court issues but are both still in the league.
Cade doesn't have enough athleticism or shooting to ever be a true star. I'm not sure I'd pick him top five.
obviously josh giddey would be drafted under 18
Why is Cade Cunningham no 1 when Jalen has out performed him at every stat? Also pretty sure Rockets would take Alperen Sengun over Mobley because Sengun can score and Mobley can't. On a team as lacking stars as Rockets they need someone who can be no 1 option over a good defender. And Sengun is already a good defender anyway whereas Mobley can't score outside layups and dunks.
Jalen green is averaging less in every state for his whole career. What kinda sht are you making up? Lmao
@@joeshmoe2746 efficiency bruh look it up. There's a reason Pistons haven't won a game in 2 months.
I'm a Rockets but Jalen isn't outperforming cade. You're funny.😆
@@bongjava4930 That was two weeks ago bro, unfortunately not the case anymore.
How are these guy keep saying Scottie over Sengun I have no idea. Just check the stats and stop being delusional, Scottie had star minutes since day 1 Sengun only this year
If you want stats Scottie is top 10 in bpm and vorp
Scottie is a better shooter, infinitely better defender, about the same on rebounding and playmaking, and is more athletic
@@sir.muffiniii7011 lmao just wait for the raptors rockets game this going to age like fine wine
Sengun definitely gets the edge on offense although not a great shooter, but Barnes has been one of the best defenders in the league this season and while Sengun’s defence has improved it’s very average
@@sir.muffiniii7011 we will see
Sengun should be 1
Kuminga at 14th is crazy. Even before this latest stint he has had.
1. Barnes
2. Cade
3. Sengun
4. Franz
5. Mobley
6. Kuminga
the disrespect to kuminga is CRAZY
scottie 1 for me
Have him lmao
crazy good draft class
1 sengun
2 mobley
3 barnes
4 wagner
5-6 both overrrated most specially cade. - green and cubningham
I can understand people picking Sengun over Barnes, both are playing at an elite level. But I wouldn't have Mobley over Barnes, no offence.
my top 5 is
hm:jalen green, cam thomas and herb jones
5-cade
4-barnes
3-sengun
2-franz
1-mobley
since this video was uploaded in december kuminga in 25 games has averaged :
18.2 pts 5.8 reb 2.1 ast on 59/38/74 shooting splits in 28 minutes
10. Murphy
9. Aldama
8. Cunningham
7. Giddey
6. Green
5. Barnes
4. Reaves
3. Mobley
2. F. Wagner
1. Sengun
1. Cade Cunningham
2. Alperen Sengun
3. Scottie Barnes
4. Franz Wagner
5. Evan Mobley
6. Jalen Green
7. Jalen Johnson
8. Jalen Suggs
9. Austin Reaves
10. Josh Giddey
11. Herbert Jones
12. Trey Murphy
13. Moses Moody
14. Corey Kispert
Matt, I love the channels, and I love what you said about Suggs, but Franz and 4 is a very very poor take and I gotta cut the vid short at that. He is much better offensively than Cade, Scottie & Jaylen, and is a great defender as well as way more consistent and stays healthy. Not sure why Franz always seems to get snubbed on the vids and polls from this channel
Franz isn’t a better offensive player than Scottie, about equal scoring wise but Scottie is a much better playmaker and shooter
Lol no disrespect, but that was so very incorrect 🤣@@sir.muffiniii7011
@@sir.muffiniii7011no
Alperen Sengun at 5th.? do you even know ball?
you're trippin Cade 1 and Mobley 2 ? they not even top 4. Sengun easy 1 without any doubt and Barnes 2
Kuminga not being in top 3 is criminal
Sengun clears this class 😂😂😂😊
The Giddy rating is fair for now. Like many of these folks, we won’t really know for a couple of years. Good content
Tbh I think Cade and Mobley are too high. Mobley is just in a really good team/situation with garland and Mitchell which allows him to elevate his game + his development has been stagnant since his rookie year imo. I don’t think he’d be as good if he was on a poverty team . It’s similar to the Wemby vs Chet debate, where Chet has SGA to play off of whereas Wemby has no well established players. Cade just hasn’t shown me enough to be above players like Scottie or sengun, although I will say they both have better teammates than Cade. I’d go
1. Scottie
2. Sengun
3. Cade/Franz
4. Green/Mobley
Scottie is averaging less in every catagory except slightly more defense and a slightly higher fg % he's not asked to do as much as cade with the ball. Can't shoot free throws well. Scottie is so damn over hyped it's not even funny
@@joeshmoe2746better 3p% and Efg% >> better ft%
@@joeshmoe2746 Scottie has higher averages more rebounds (which is to be expected) and is A LOT better on defense compared to cade. Most of Cade's higher averages is due to the Piston's offense being ran through him. But I see where you're coming from, Cade is the main focus on defense for opposing teams and his teammates are a lot worse than Scottie's. Going to have to see how Cade plays whenever he has better teammates around him.
Jalen Johnson just became John Collins lol
Scottie 1, Sengun 2, Mobley 3
I think ayo dosumo should of been on here one of the steals of the second round
Can’t believe he left him off the list
It’s stupid to put Cunningham in the top 3.
1-Barnes
2-Wagner
3-Mobley
4-sengun
5-Cade
6-green
7-jones
8-Murphy
Whoever in whatever order after this does not matter at all.
I dont see franz or mobley on the same level as cade, scottie or alperen because you can build a team/ a system around these three guys. My top 5 would be
1- Barnes
2- Sengun
3- Cade
4-Wagner
5-Mobley
Just because Wagner and Mobley can't create as much for their teammates doesn't mean they are worse than the other three. It also doesn't mean you can't build a team around them, I mean Giannis mostly creates for himself and the bucks are balling out.
I get what youre saying, But then again Franz is arguably the best Player on a Top 5 seeded Team right now
Bumped your head kid
Trey Murphy should have been higher than Herb Jones, Giddey and Suggs...
Top 5 can go either ways but I would have Wagner and Sengun higher than Barnes...
The list looks good apart from Reaves u missed
I think Scottie Barnes deserves to be 1. We talk about Herb Jones as a defender but Barnes is right up there with him when you look at steal and block percentage. His shooting is improving and he’s showing growth in his ability to become more of a playmaker.
Jalen Suggs is starting to turn into Derrick White
I don’t understand why nobody talks about mobley being the exact same player for 3 years and Barnes is a better defender everywhere except at the rim and even then Barnes blocks .2 less shots a game
You are so wrong about Kuminga, He will eventually be a top 5 if not top 3. Moses Moody will be about 10. As they play for a championship time...their play time is lower so taking a bit of time for these young bucks!
1 Barnes
2 Sengun
3 cade
4 Mobley
5 Wagner
Tell me you don’t watch basketball without telling me you don’t watch basketball. Dude looks at just the stats, No WAY he was watching kuminga and saying he’d rather have Corey kispert lmaooooo 😂
top 3 kinda mid. sengun clear of cade. scottie sengun 1
Cade at #1 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You couldn't make it more obvious that you're a Pistons' fan 🤦🏻♂️. This will be my first & last time on this channel
he is not Pistons fan. he just listed the obvious top 5 guy in order of their drafted rank. very casual. Sengun is the best of this class. this will be a thing beyond dispute in 3 months
Alpy #1
Lol Cade with horrible efficiency and no leadership and Mobley being just a role player in a good team vs Sengun carrying even vets. :D Guy goes top 3 without a question.
Mobley above Scottie and sengun is something
I disagree with your top pick. Based on their performance now I pick Evan, Scottie and Sengun as top 3 and cade at 4 or 5
My Redraft:
#1- Evan Mobley
#2- Scottie Barnes
#3- Alperen Sengun
#4- Franz Wagner
#5- Cade Cunningham
#6- Jalen Green
#7- Cam Thomas
#8- Herbert Jones
#9- Trey Murphy lll
#10- Josh Giddey
#11- Jalen Suggs
#12- Jalen Johnson
#13- Jonathan Kuminga
#14- Moses Moody
Honorable Mentions:
Isaiah Jackson, Corey Kispert, Santi Aldama
Cade needs a good team
Your tripping with Cade at #1. I understand we all have different takes and opinions, but man, you’re way off on this one. Bad take.
5:Franz 4:Mobley 3:Cade 2:Sengun 1:Barnes
gosh this guy is all that and a bag of chips - no cap
I would put Scottie first, Cade second, Sengun third, Franz forth and Mobley fifth. Scottie is the best wing defender in this draft, both interior and perimeter defence, and he's able to do a lot on offence and even pass the ball, and has the highest ceiling. He can literally be a 22-24, 10, 7 guy in the league, an all star and an all defensive player(which he's showing). Cade is second, just because his development in detroit has not been great and has dealt with a lot of injuries, but can be probably a 25,6,8 guy shooting 38+ percent from 3. Sengun is third because he clearly can do the most out of any bigman in this class, and is one of the best offensive center's in the entire league(mini jokic btw). Franz is fourth, he's an above average defender(mainly cause he's 6'10), he can rebound well for a SF and can definitely pass the ball, but his shooting has been streaky(except for his recent games) and I think he's mainly just a fringe all star forward. Mobley is fifth, and for a few reasons. He plays the PF position as a flat footed 7 footer, and he cannot shoot. Mobley is one of the top defenders at the CENTER position in the league, because he in fact is a center. He can rebound, block shots, can pass a bit but it kinda like AD's passing, and he can obviously block shots but is not a great perimeter defender despite what people were seeing bits of in year 1 for him.
Do 2022 next. Sharpe gonna fly up
Cade at 1 is such a joke…like be serious lmfao
1. Scottie Barnes
2. Cade Cunningham
3. Evan Mobley
4. Alpen Sengun
5. Franz Wagner
6. Jonathan Kuminga
7. Herb Jones
8. Jalen Johnson
8. jalen Suggs
9.Jalen Green
10. Trey Murphy
11. Josh Giddey
Not counting fit and which teams are picking
Cade should be out of the top 10. I almost barfed when you listed him # 1
No he shouldn’t be out of the top 10 but like top 5
Should be at 5
Sengun is and will be the best player in this draft, he is a game changer and superstar potential player...He will be the best center in NBA after Jokic and Embiid Ages...
Superstar? Bit of an overreaction there
Kat?
Sabonis?
Bam?
Gobert?
Allen?
@@spidamitchell8311 KAT is the only valid one u named
@@akz2628 better than all...
@@akz2628 you dont know ball
1.Sengun
2.Barnes
3.Cade
4.Mobley
5.Jalen
6.Franz
7.Thomas
Franz that low is crazy
@@sir.muffiniii7011 he's rly good but I think everyone above him will be better in the long run
@@stretcha3787 well yeah but I think he is above everyone besides Scotty and Sengun rn
Scottie, Alperen, Evan and Franz are top 4 in any order but I think Scottie has been the best player from this class thus far. Franz or Evan have been the second best.
Scottie at number 1 without a doubt
trey should be going higher than
10
Dude refuses to admit Cade isn’t that guy 😂
LOL regarding Kuminga dropping out of the top 10. It let me know I could bail out of the video immediately.
Yall hate cade , man has no one on the team who can space the floor and basically has to really on cuts which would be good if we were in the nba of the 1990s’
Kuminga answered the call
Idk why everyone has a problem with Cade still being at #1. Despite how horrible the Pistons have been, over the past few weeks Cade has proven himself to be the best player from the 2021 draft class
Aw fun at 5 is actually criminal he is easily the best in the class so far this season and is at worse top 2
Barnes should be #1. He’s a generational kind of talent. Mobley and Cunningham are good, but not that good. Totally disagree on that one.
Played putting Franz at 4 before Scottie
Cade over Sengun and Barnes is criminal.
Draft starts at number 1. If i start at 14th im gonna pick cade
no way cade even top 3 if ur looking to redraft at current skills. can't judge on potential or shitty situations. top 3 are barnes, wagner, sengun (all interchangeable), then mobley, then maybe cade. keeping cade at 1 is crazzzzzzyyyyyyy. mobley's defense does not cover for his lack of offense. would you put prime draymond or 3 time dpoy gobert in top 3 on any redraft. craaaazzzzzyyyyyy
Where is trailblazers franchise