We say free will exists because we can choose | J. Krishnamurti
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We say free will exists because we can choose | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from the third conversation with Buddhist scholars at Brockwood Park, 1978.
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“ choice must exist when the mind is confused “ 🙏🙏❤
What most people think of as “free will” comes from the illusion of the self. If I am separate from my environment, it may appear as though I have “control over my life” so to speak. But I AM my life. I am not separate from my life. When I see that I am my environment, I see that the choices I make do not come from some divine source, but rather are a projection of memory, and are therefore a part of this environment, which is me. So choice can never be free. Freedom is action without the self.
Interpolation between purush(spirit) and prakrati( external world ) i.e, as patanjali said: 'the law of cause and effwct is inherent and coexistent in mind , the yogi who has gaind libration ( kaivalya) is no longer in bondage to mental limitations and is able to transcend the law'.
Now say it without words.
Choice must exist when the mind is confused, when the mind is clear there is no choice
What a man he is❤
Freedom of choice. Meaning you can always go against your own conclusions
Extremely fascinating conversation, in my opinion.
C'est vraiment impactant tous ceci est vraiment vaut mieux que je me calme
Perhaps the most radical of insights
an action which there is no choice, in which there is no effort as will, breath would be a good example.
Beautiful dialogue 😊
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👍👍Natural action... I don't will my hand off a burning hot stove, for example.
I have free will to appreciate this conversation without making any choice to say anything else bcs I am clear about that comment
Thanks for sharing interesting conversation with JK sir on the topic of free will. The link to the full conversation will be highly appreciated 😊
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Yes, when the mind is confused. Conditioning can interpret what this means, but most generally it necessitates that there be a thinker separate from thought.
Thought requires this separation to induce conditioning which starts the confusion in the first place. Chicken and the egg.
So once this is resolved, who is left to make a choice on what?
Obviously thought is useful to make a choice within 2 dimensions, this/that, walk/run, apple/orange, stay/go, but beyond that, the fundamental questions of existence, its not useful at all.
"K" kept asking a question to which there is no answer unless you enquire into it. It's amazing, how a simple question can elude educated people. Makes me feel not so stupid.
Full video where
Can we have the link to the full video please? 😊🙏
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Nishkam karma....
I wouldn't necessarily say it's a matter of confusion, could simply be a desire to fluctuate, the reason there even is frequencies, or anything other than a void of nothing. Anyway, is the heart beat and our breathing considered part of free will to those that believe there is such a thing? He asks if there is action without will or choice, so yeah, I ask about heart beats and breathing.
Yes involuntary action like our biology is without thought and free will however action is present. K makes analogy at the physic free will without filter and conditioning which leads us to an absolute truth of free will
Where can I find the remainder of this video?
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The man says it is to want and K says no no, it is to desire. Come on K it is the same thing.
Yes! Hiccups!
what is will and what is choice,
what is action without choice and will?
will is choice
choice is will
action a choiceless will
action without choice and will
is that’ which is free from any form of action.
that which is not action is where the truth comes.
when action realize its acting
and when it does realize that’
any form of action is not that’ freedom
for it continues to act where
no audiance attends
but it’s own tragic conclusion.
so, does action end effortlessly?
perhaps, action without any effort or hold to anything,
including that conclusionend end and just love??
accepting that one is not “love” or
ever was “love”
seems to be the conflict
between that’ which is truthfully indescribable.
Enlightened action isn’t “choosing not to choose.” 😂
It isn’t the “exercise” of choice.
of course free will exists! just like i chose to write this comment, duh!~
There is desire to do something and when you do it, it becomes an action.
Will is that you can perform an action without actually desiring for it. Like bashing your head on the wall 2 times and then doing 3 pushups and finally laying back on bed.
This is free will. You have the ability to perform any random action at your will.
I dont understand what is the point of discussing all of this. Only the people who have everything in life are free enough to ponder over such stuff where there is no conclusive answer. It may be a mental stimulation for the brain but from a sensible view, it is simply a "big brain time" or "you know this shi* deep and ima philosopha myself" type of activity.
He's talking about freedom action without any desire
karma is extremely efficient if one is extremely patient....⚖️🪐🏹🔱🕉️
Extremely fascinating conversation, in my opinion.