SP-404 MK2 Recording GUITAR While The BEAT PLAYS!
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2024
- This blew my mind. Recording a guitar solo on the Roland SP-404MKII while the beat plays...resulting in just the guitar (with Amp Sim) sampled to that pad...not the beat (à la SP-303 style).
0:00 Guitar Tone: Amp Sim, Reverbs & Tube Screamer
0:44 Resample Pre-Game
0:55 Recording Guitar Solo
1:30 Adding Vinyl & Cassette Sim
1:55 Adding Reverb (Room + Hall)
2:03 Assign Bus FX & Pad Link
2:19 The Beat
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"SP-202 LO-FI P BASS" - individual notes played and recorded with my Fender 50's Precision Bass then resampled with the Boss SP202 at it's various sample rates: bsta.rs/ea73ee5
"SP-202 LO-FI CHOPPED BREAKS, VOL. 2" - a collection of drum breaks sampled from vinyl and chopped into gritty lo-fi kits. Sampled with the Boss SP-202 Dr Sample at various sample rates then chopped and EQ'd on the Boss SP-303: bsta.rs/fb81ba27
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This is the function I most wanted, to be able to record just the input to a pad while the beats playing. Ill skills as ever bro!
Thanks heaps my dude! Yeh, me too. Sooo stoked that it does it…was def missing. Cheers!
MPC60 MKII casually chillin' in the background like a grandpappy watching the young one do it's thing.
Ha! Yeh apparently I collect MK2s now, need to find me an arcade machine next…
@@Nonjuror Mortal Kombat 2 Mark 2
Wow... That was brilliant
Thanks heaps!
oh man, i was so sure i could record down separately. cheers for the bus 1&2 inspiration too!
Very nice play on thanks for sharing new functions on sp404 mk2
Thanks heaps, cheers for checking out the vid!
Tom has finally got Jerry. Killer video. Thank you. I’ve tried to ask so many people if the new sp would do this feature. And yes she does!
Cheers mate
I had no idea for months! Completely changed how I think about it, so many of the things I’d do in Reason after making a 303/404 beat it now does.
Best ive heard in a long time. That was a vibe.
Much appreciated, thanks man, cheers!
Ay let's go! good stuff homie.
Maaaan, appreciate you dropping this gem on me! Cheers! 🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺
That tube scream warms the sound! Love it!
I’ve never had an amp sim work this clean with stompboxes, it’s nuts!
@@Nonjuror Yeah usually there is some unwanted noise or it just sounds extra fake. If it sounds this good on CZcams….can only imagine what it might sound like in real life.
Great video! That Track at the end was super dope! 🔥🔥🔥🍻
Thanks a lot man! Cheers! 🍺🍺🍺🍺
Just what I’ve been looking for
Cheers!
That was super cool!
Thanks heaps, cheers! 🍺🍺🍺🍺
0:08 well said!!
Sounds good
great sound & easy to understand!
Thanks man, much appreciated!
great what you are playing!
Thanks a lot mate, cheers!
You're the only player that I have seen push the 404 in so many directions. This was incredible as always. Definitely moves the MKII to the top of my list of gear that I need to get! In the meantime I'm still figuring out ways to use the 404A as an effects processor for my guitars while I jam over beats and loops that I make. Cheers, man. Your content is SUPER inspirational.
Thanks heaps man, very much appreciated. MKII is pretty nuts, esp with how damn guitar friendly it is!
There’s def a lotta fun to be had with the 404a on guitars, live (pre-covid days…) I would run my guitar (iRig thru Line In) n weird people out with using djfx on it. Of course vinyl sim when playing is sick af too. Cheers!
Link Pads together. So simple. No pattern creation needed. :) Great Video Bro!
Thanks heaps my dude! Sometimes I would take a beat from the 404a ps and record the drums then sample layers to the 303 separately, line them up in a pattern then be able to mix them with vinyl sim on…pad link, way easier!
A righty strung lefty! Very Hendrix!
I love this by the way. Can’t wait to get the MK2 and make a guitar beat
Haha upside down strat is certainly Jimi af! The MK2 is really guitar friendly…it’s crazy
Dude this is tightttt
Cheers man! 🍺🍺🍺🍺
I can't believe it has amp sims and allows this functionality. This is amazing.
Yeah it surprised me, esp the heavy metal Soldano tone. Plus you got the different reverb types to pair with it.
So dope
Cheers! 🍺🍺🍺🍺
Ooh mate, game changer
Yes indeed, so much more fun can be had now, esp bass lines. Cheers!
SO DOPE!!!!!
Thanks man!
I love how you are casually the best 404 player on CZcams.
Haha thank heaps for that, very much appreciated! Cheers! 🍺🍺🍺🍺
Yessss! Thx!
Cheers man! 🍺🍺🍺🍺
Wow I need for my guitar this is amazing
Thank you for this style of music and using the MK2 to manipulate it.
MK2 had a huge influence on my style when I got it, things a beast. Cheers fam! 🍺🍺🍺🍺
Step one, be REALLY GOOD AT GUITAR! Dang man that was awesome!
🤣🤣🤣🤣 cheers mate, appreciate it! 🍺🍺🍺🍺
Wow! Game changer tip.
Cheers fam!
Sweet
Cheers!
insane
Yerp!
Omg you did it! I’m watching!!
So dope and groovy… LoL
The only sad part is that we humans don’t have four hands so we can do this in real time. Hahahaha It would be cool if we could control the machine with a midi expression pedal do.
I’m thinking of a pedal that could make the guitar ring for long time, so we could do this with one hand in live performance. Any ideas?! Maybe fuz?! Or maybe the boss sy-200 synth pedal. It would be cool to experiment more possibilities with the sp404 mk2.
I hear you on that. Def need more hands. I want to know if someone can make a foot controlled midi controlled with 4 foot switches like stompboxes for Delay, Iso etc then a wah type thing for DJFX and filter. That would be the shit.
And good call with the Strat, was the right guitar for the jam! I actually think it’s one of if not the only thing I own older than me.
Yeyeeee
Yes!!!!! This is just the video I was looking for to justify buying one of these. GREAT VIDEO
Haha yeh the amp sim really steps it up n it’s surprisingly versatile once you start experimenting with different amp models / mfx combinations. Cheers!
🖤
Cheers my dude! 🍺🍺🍺🍺
I keep getting my mind blown by these 2010 features we're finally getting in 2021! This is really useful!
Hahaha LONG OVERDUE! Crazy it took this long.
What samplers have amp sim?
Pads as tracks, nice!
Yeh man, then just Pad Link to keep them in sync while you switch between fx buses jammin…wild shit
@@Nonjuror Thanks again for this vid. Just came back to this to remember how to do it 👍
Hahaha me too! I got videos I’m sure I made for me coz I forget stuff…especially the sp303 pattern copy workaround one, I watch that almost everytime I make a beat on the 303
Thanks - I've been trying to find out if this was possible since the mk2 was announced!
It’s def changed how I look at the machine since I found out it did it…so guitar friendly
Amazing! To sample while playing a beat is the key thing for me to buy an mkii
Cheers man! So surprisingly guitar friendly
nice.
Cheers!
This musician is the dogs fam! I wonder if he made the backing beat on the same 404
🔥 🔥 🔥
Been looking at amp Sims... But maybe I just need another SP...🤔
Def didn’t expect it to sound as good as it does, been really handy when I want to add guitar to a beat without having to record it elsewhere!
Great jam. I’ve watched this a few times now and it’s very inspiring! Is it just the 404 mk2 that has all the guitar amps/features?
Thanks heaps! Yeh, all the stuff in this vid is new to the 404 world with the mk2, def opens a lot more doors
Dope nugget lmao
I really hope Roland adds count-in to resample. Seems like an oversight (unless I’m missing something). I’m impressed you are able to hit the button and get ready with your guitar so quickly. Any tips for that?
I know what you mean! It does make syncing it back up a little more…creative…if you ain’t able to kick off from the start of the recording…If I’m just recording guitar to a click then the auto record thing works easy but recording to say a pattern or something, that take a whole bunch of mojo…and takes…
Just tried this other day and I thought I was missing something. I agree, there needs to be a count in for resample mode so we can play our instruments in easier. Is there a place where we can request features? Cuz that would be a game changer.
I just had the idea of resampling a pattern chain and inserting a 1 or 2 bar click track pattern before the beat starts as a pseudo-count-in and then you can just trim the sample. That might work, no?
👍
Cheers!
This is so cool!! I am a broke college kid but I’m getting one 😭
Great video . wish you had shown and explained more clearly what settings an buttons you were pushing. Please help.
How does the amp simulation on the MK2 compare to a stand alone AMP/IR pedal like the Boss IR-200 or Styrmon Iridium? Also have you tried any fuzz pedals straight into the new 404?
I haven’t used either of those but it holds up next to the tone I get in Amplitube with iRig or the amp sim I use in Reason. No fuzz but so far but I’ve used different Tube Screamers, CryBaby n a few other randoms n it’s doing okay, can’t imagine there being a problem with like a Big Muff or the like.
Do you know if there is a way to have what you just recorded on guitar to pad 2 start over and loop when you finish recording and as the beat on pad 1 still plays?
I plan on trying this with a mic’ed amp.
Easily done, I use an Audix i5 which is kinda like a SM57 directly into the front of the mk2.
How do you set up the guitar sound can’t get any noise out?
Man, then u could wlso route the input to be overdubbing guitar directly to the pad playing the beat right?
Did you feel it automatically adds an envelope at the beginning of every transient?
I just had an idea. I don't have a MKII yet, but I'm planning on getting one. Since I'm a piano/keys player, being able to record in real time, even if it's just for 4-8 bars... So, since you're resampling a pattern to a pad, then recording over that, you could create a pattern chain, make a 1 or 2 measure click track pattern that plays before the beat, then you can have a count it. It's a work around, but I might try this when I get mine.
Yep yep, there’s a couple of updates to it since this video that I think you’ll like. You don’t have to resample the pattern like I did anymore, you can now have, say, a 4 bar pattern looping and record 16 bars (for example) of keys to its own pad. You can have a 1 or 2 bar count in before rec starts. Also the recorded keys which is longer than the repeating pattern can be set to “one shot playback” mode which allows you to add it to that pattern n as it repeats the long sample will keep playing without restarting.
@@Nonjuror YOoOo whaaaaat?! That's game over. And you can snap to end to make it fit to grid too right? That makes it a NEARLY perfect device for what I need. I'm so hyped. Haha. A proper export function would be nice but I can figure it out. Thanks for your input, option paralysis is a real thing.
By the way, your sound is super dope, man. It's nice to really enjoy the music and learn simultaneously.
Thanks man! Mk2 is a beast but also, end of the day, if you ain’t feeling it I think it’s still a pretty easy thing to resell online quickly so there’s not a lot of risk there - coz I know that option paralysis well…
@@Nonjuror Yeah that's a good point. Don't need to be stuck with anything forever haha. It seems like MPC is always whispering in my ear, but the SP just requires a different mentality and it's fun. I just made and posted my first full beat on the SX. At the end of the day, if you dedicate yourself to creating at your most sincere and highest potential in the moment, the instrument can be used. This is something that gets lost in between the ad space haha.
love this but wish the cassette sim wasn't added, it's a cool effect, but just makes the guitar slightly out of tune for me
Haha yeh that’s fair. Does sometimes not work, prolly better to put something that warbles over everything so it’s all wavering together.
So does this mean it can basically be used as a looper, or do you have to stop the playback when you stop the recording?
I think you’d have to stop playback…may be a way tho that I don’t know about…
@@Nonjuror Did you find a way? Stopping the recording, stops also the other pattern playing?
If I have a pattern (in Pattern Select mode) that I am wanting to play along with, do I first need to resample the entire pattern to a pad in order to do this workflow? Or is there a way to record guitar to a pad while playing a pattern in pattern mode?
When you go to resample the pattern to pad, go into record settings and set routing to Ext In - now the pattern with play but the only thing recording to the pad will be your instrument. This was a new thing added in an update after this vid…hope that helps!
@@Nonjuror thanks! You actually do mention that in the video. The thing that I was missing was that I needed to have the EXT SOURCE button pressed as well. After that, everything worked.
@GabrielMurrayBC excellent, glad to hear it!
Does it work on pattern mode? recording the guitar
Great video! Have my sp404mk2 on its way… Do you see Roland adding a looper with midi sync functionality in the boss RC style in a future firmware update??? Considering it has instrument input and midi it would make a lot of sense…. As a bass player I am really looking info this
Thanks man! I dunno, they might…Would be cool to have a looper function, totally on board with that, Boss is part of the family so I imagine there’s a brainstorm whiteboard somewhere in the Roland tech building with that on the list…
@@Nonjuror we are in 2022… considering that the iPad offers koala Sampler and Loopy pro and Even Akai provides a looper on their MPCs…. Sp404 hardware now is there… let’s see
It was at sp555 but so so implemented…
It was at sp555 but so so implemented…
@@manstuarta9066Roland is years behind… they released rc505 after loopy hd was well stablished and mk2 after loopy pro and so… they have good ideas, bad market studies and worst implementation. If they want they could crush the market with their technologies but it seems directed by visionless people.
Is this possible with other instruments such as a keyboard and could I apply the guitar amps to different instruments as well. (Playing guitar is like a whole different language to me)
Yes, thats possible
Definitely, the Twin or JC amp models would sound really nice on a Rhodes, Marshall on a Wurly. Plus you then have the Juno Chorus in the fx.
When you end recording, does thw music/beat stops or it still plays? Need for live situations.
Not to my knowledge, if you're looking for a looper type thing to use live at this point in time I don't think this is it.
Ok, so I guess I'll be able to record a bass loop haha
Fkn A!
Cheers! 🍺🍺🍺🍺
Les Paul of the 21st century
Does anyone have hiss with mic input
Are you boosting your volume on the input at all? I find that the only way my guitar input can compete with the onboard samples is if I manually lower all the sample volumes or do a huge boost using a pedal before hitting the SP404.
That’s interesting. I’m not really using much input gain, just touch - like to 9 o’clock. With bass or guitar I don’t have much trouble being loud enough. I wonder what’s up.
@@Nonjuror Strange. External input volume is definitly at full. Seems like some others have had the issue as well when looking around. Guess i'll keep using my boss core as an expensive boost pedal for now. 😅
Thanks for the reply anyway, love your content!
Just a thought, int he settings you haven’t got Attenuation or anything like that on do you?
Quick question, how do you have the guitar routed to the 404? Do you just go to the ext line in? Do you need to power the guitar with an amp?
Guitar is plugged straight into the front input of the sp (opposed to the line in at the back). It has a Mic / Gtr switch. No powering needed.
@@Nonjuror Thank you!
Whoah thanks for this lesson! Could the same be done with a vocal mic?
Yep, 100%. Dynamic mic plugged in the front. If you wanna use a condenser tho you’d need a preamp with phantom n that’s go into the line in.
@@Nonjuror Awesome! Thank you. I’ll have to look into this more. I have a good home studio but would like to get this thing to flesh out some ideas on the run
@@Nonjuror Can you use the mic and guitar with amp at the same time? Or do you only have one input?
I think the amp sim would run over both, off the top of my head I’d say both inputs would get it
I noticed you hit hold at the beginning. you went really fast on the first part. How do I live play my keyboard directly into the sampler without having to resample and hairline perfect the resample so it syncs?..
There’s been a bunch of firmware updates since this video so there’s some changes. Now you can do the Resample Pattern to a Pad thing but in Rec Settings set Source to Ext In (opposed to sync), it’ll then play the pattern while just recording your keys. You can then set that recording to one shot playback mode so if you recorded 16 bars over a 4 bar loop it’ll play it thru without restarting every 4 bars.
Dam with this machine I don’t need guitar pedals all over this seems to do allot
instead of it saying routing it says pan when i try to change the routing from mix to external how can i fix it?
Hmmm…not sure, sorry. In Record Setting on mine it changes “Level” to “Pan” when I hold Shift but Routing I turn Ctrl 2 to the right to switch Mix to ExtIn.
Do you think this would all be possible with a looper pedal? So like record some guitar, have it looping, sample the loop, mute the loop on the looper or delete it, then use the out from the looper into the sp404 and play with it? That would be awesome
You can definitely run the looper into the 404 n use 404 fx but I don’t know how seamless it would be for doing live if you wanted to sample the loop onto the 404
@@Nonjuror I appreciate the fast response! That's great to know. I just purchased an SP404 Mk2 last night. I'm gonna be using this with the Aeros Looper by Singular Sound and connect them with MIDI so the tempos sync up, and I'm gonna go to town with this thing!
That’s some dope science right there!
I have a question...can you play guitar and sing through a mic at the same time through it?
No way I can think of, maybe you can use the line in and mic in at the same time n use the force to balance the mix…but I’ve never put that to the test.
Did you make the beat or does the SP404 have drum presets already made?
This beat I made, it doesn’t have preset patterns like that.
Can you play through the external source while the beat is playing without actually recording it
Yep, you can. Also, add fx like reverb / delay to the Ext In and not the beat if you want.
Is it normal that I can hear the beat playing in the background of the recorded pad? The input is set to external and I'm recording trough the line in.
Thanks a lot for the soulful beats and great content!
Hmmm…that’s not normal l, no. I just tested recording some scratching thru Line In over a pattern and it worked as expected, here’s the order I did things:
Pattern Select, Resample, select Pad, Record Setting, Ctrl 2 (select ExIn), Rec, select Pattern pad (to start recording)….record….hit Rec to stop.
On my pad recorded just the scratching.
Hope that helps!
@@Nonjuror You're the best! I'll try with your setting. I kinda solved the issue with a compressor in the FX in (everything at 0 except the volume) to pump the volume of the incoming signal. But I'm still disappointed.. I'll write Roland to get some more answers
Thanks again
@@piccoloverde638 weird....let me know how you go, got me curious!
@@Nonjuror Hmph. Running 1.15, I lose the ext in signal as soon as I hit Rec after selecting ext in. Coming in through the Inst input. For straight recording, fine but in resample mode as soon as I hit record ext is turned off.
AhA! Extra step -- make sure EXT SOURCE is lit to continue receiving input when record settings is off. Duh.
Dope! If we were cool having the beat recorded or just using SP-404 as a stompbox, could you have applied INPUT FX + BUS 1 FX + BUS 2 FX + BUS 3 FX + BUS 4 FX on your live guitar and used skip back to get all them effects?
Skip Back or Resample (Routing set to Mix) also. You can assign the Beat to not being on any of the Buses n stack them all up on the guitar.
Can you do this on the 404 sx?
Sadly not…
SP808 Multi track workflow
I’ve been hearing that, sp808 looks like a monster with the multitrack with beat making game…plus faders, I miss faders.
@@Nonjuror yeah it is , I got the clear emix version...( just cosmetic stuff, but the new OS gives you a mono synth ) You get 4 tracks of stereo, or 8 tracks of mono ....with more variety of guitar/vocal focused effects.
That sounds sick af! How is the mono synth? You use it for bass lines etc?
@@Nonjuror the synth is based on the #rolandjp8000 , so it’s aiiight. Yes I used it for bass and leads, also resampling the synth gets more thickness in the waveform....then I resample again with effects and gets your weight up. PHAT.
@@Nonjuror czcams.com/video/Yflrv4UFPE4/video.html SP808 synth overview
i did unlike the video so it´s back to 808 likes.
Hahahha I respect that!
I hate jam bands
Ok
@@Nonjuror don’t get offended, bro
Ok
I'm intentionally not watching these videos until they ship my unit. I don't think I could stand the jealousy
Hahaha word, this preorder delay shit is tearing lives apart!