East India Company became so powerful because British Parliament colluded with it: William Dalrymple
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Noted storyteller and people's historian Willian Dalrymple talks to ThePrint's Jyoti Malhotra about his newest book, 'The Anarchy,' and how Shah Alam II, grandson of Mughal emperor Aurangzeb, watched his authority diminish everyday as the East India Company grew stronger and more powerful. He not only never gave in, adds Dalrymple but remained charming and cultured and the exact opposite of the ruthless and cold-blooded general Robert Clive, who gave himself the title, 'Clive of India.'
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"Indian were fighting Indian for the money that was financed by the Indian"
This sums up Indian history...
I like how a britisher is basically telling Indians it's all your fault really this happened to you lol and fools are buying it. the british deserve heat and consequences for the crimes. stop with the self flagellation.
so I just saw that part where he says this and all that says to me how open and inclusive India was. if any thing it was too inclusive. india having an open banking system and people looking for employment is not the point of blame...it's that the brits manipulated an open and free society and murdered way more people than hitler ever did.
So what? Entire europe was fighting and killing each other, China had several wars within them, this is common in history and an internal matter, none asked British to judge India.
At that time there was no one India. Its to drive out Brits we united.
And the present
great interview, just let Dalrymple speak
It was so annoying for her to keep interjecting him
A really good interview. Interviewing historians is actually a better way to understand the modern world. @ThePrint
02:56
a brief glimpse of how the EAST INDIA COMPANY broomed up our wealth
lol :-D I noticed that too
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It shows that mentality never changes
It's funny when an Indian journalist says 18'O'4 and British author says revert back....
Story of Indian Loot , very good interview .
And seemingly out of nowhere comes the maid with a broom in the background.
Indian history:there is always an Indian against an indian 😞
The disloyalty we indians have is tremendous we are shameful for what we did with our own people
Great, we were thought that Brits conquered us, many in my family have talked about the discipline and honesty of Brits
The fact which is hard to digest is stated in here. The people only care for state until state care for them. An era when a sovereign can demand money from bankers without any collateral and any guarantee of repayment. Also one can face execution in case he demand repayment. State offers no protection to businesses and people with rampant thugee in 16th and 17th centuries. Also additional burden of jaziya on bankers who were essentially Hindus and Jains. Under this situation of anarchy merchant class was only concerned about there interest rather then interest of Nation which does not care about them.
This is a lesson for all politicians to care for the citizens who contribute to exchequer rather then look out only for vote bank. At the end of the day if productive citizens get annoyed it will take no time to get a great empire collapse.
You summed it up pretty well except "This is a lesson for all politicians to care for the citizens who contribute to exchequer rather then look out only for vote bank."
It is evidently clear that in India, politicians are buying the voters (80% Indians who make less than $5 a day) through tax money collected (or rather looted through an efficient tax system) from middle class Indians to loot the natural resources unabated in connivance with their large corporate accomplices (Read ADANI in bold here) and deposit the enormous proceeds in offshore financial hubs. From there it channels back to the main stream financial markets in the form of FII, VC, hedge funds, remittances, loans etc. We the middle class are mere pawn in this larger game.
So you see unless people are not aware of what their government is doing exactly with the tax money and it is not held accountable for the wrongdoings, politics will always be about serving the big financiers. When financiers didn't get what they wanted, they chose a different master. This time too it wouldn't be any different. In fact, we are witnessing exactly this.
My fav History author Mr William Dalrymple.eternally grateful to you for bringing out minute details of the East India Company and the British Raj..my fav books :The Last Mughal,White Mughals
Sir&Madam,there was a positive side to the East India Co. It opened up the world to Indians. And it brought lot of new things to India which indians/hindus enthusiastically
embraced. Of course life has a price for everything. Mr Gandhi though wanted freedom for india but was never bitter about his relations with British.
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Someone should make a movie on this and this is perfect example of crony capitalism
They will make that movie also a Hindu vs Muslim story. So I would prefer Bollywood not pick up this story.
Yeah. Cronies have misused capitalism. Capitalism earned a bad name because of these cronies. Capitalism is meant to benefit all of us, but unfortunately......
@@jstanton8445 To a certain level, yes, your knowledge is not totally disagreeable. Your ancestors did do business. But, on the larger side, East Indian Company looted India. Please read this book on plights of Indigo cultivators from Bengal. You ruled for 300 years, so, your culture, religion and art were accepted to some extent. Not all English were bad people. Very few were very good.
@@tickle296 There was no country called India before we came. Large parts of India were ruled by the Moguls who were super cruel to the natives in most cases. We actually saved native Indians from getting genocided by the Moguls so don't be thankless
@@tickle296 European culture is far superior to Indian culture
Fascinating story!!!
Jyoti, are you in a hurry ? We are not ! Let Dalyrmple speak.. we would rather listen to him for gods sake !!!
*Thank You for this interview, @PRINT! Big Dalrymple fan here - more such interviews with interesting authors, please!*
mailtorajrao Thank you so much ! Please give suggestions. We love to hear from you
@@ThePrintIndia It would be great if authors who are writing insightful and incisive books are profiled/interviewed, especially when they are doing their book tours. Often such books don't mainstream at all and end up in expert circles or libraries. There is an upcoming book by Madhav Khosla - "India’s Founding Moment
: The Constitution of a Most Surprising Democracy" that is quite promising and worth considering.
Fascinating to know such facts
Excellent interview with the author regarding the functioning of the first Companies which concoqred Nations starting as Trading houses.Role of the Cacutta Marwaris. Nathan Sekhar Sydney. Australia.
I wish you were our history teacher
Interesting interview.
Beautiful to hear...
❤️ liberating
Going through that book right now . Very sublimely written .
beautiful, wth we even watch satellite channels , theprint deserves a slot there.
WILLIAM DALRYMPLE: Surname has 6 Consonant in sequence ' LRYMPL '. Fascinating.
Dear Siddhant, ‘Y’ is not a consonant. It is recognized as a vowel in the English language.
@@mediolanumhibernicus3353 In India we have been taught that there are 5 vowels.
@@siddhantjaiswal9115 It depends on context. In the context of DALR-Y-MPLE, the Y takes on the function of the vowel sound - I.
fantastic miss him has our history teacher
🙏🙏🙏. Looking forward to ur book
All the bankers war!
It is also true that "The same company essentially made the foundation of a modern country by resource extracted and transferred from India"' That country is what we know as England !
You didn't get it, the majority of money stayed in India with bankers and financers.
Fantastic video.
Evan Harriman Thanks so much !
fascinating. Must purchase one of his books....
Excellent story teller
Indian fighting Indians for money , end of the story
Currently reading✌ fan of this man
"India was taken by a company, not by a country."
*joker meme intensifies*
India is take over by indians who are loyal to British you think this Brits can fight actual war in india no that's why they use there brain and put an Indian against an indian
I wonder how much better this interview cud have been, had Mrs Malhotra been a little knowledgeable of Indian history...
As if East India company wasnt a British company...!!
it wasn't govt. owned
It was a private company, like google.
I see the #uninterrupted. Good spirit and grace by ThePrint.
How can you forget talking about "Mahadaji Shinde" while talking about Shah Alam whose name is brought up so many times in interview! Seems deliberate to me!
The top hashtag I the description below the video is ironically - uninterrupted
In India Hindu kings and baniya traders gave foothold to EIC
The Nizam of Hyderabad did not even offer a fight and was the biggest paymaster to the British, whereas the nawab of awadh surrendered meekly. The truth is it was an age of disunity and cowardice in India irrespective of race, religion and region. Very few like Tipu Sultan, Jhansi Laxmibai gave a proper but an unorganised fight to the British.
@@hattorihanzo8385 Nizam was the only black spot along Muslim rulers. Siraj ud daula, Nawab of Bengal was the first one to fight seeing predatory business practices of EIC but he was backstabbed by Jagat Seths, a group of powerful baniya traders in Bengal.
I would say it was free market and India's love for foreigners caused this especially Muslim Indians. First Victoria now Sonia.
@@NightRider0101 Are you wilfully ignorant? As you say it is true that jagath Seth has financed the cause of the EIC, but it is also true that Siraj's commander in chief Mir Jafar kept half of the forces as reserves and refused to join the fight at the battle of Plassey as his king and kinsmen got massacred. In the same battle, two Hindu generals and many Hindu soldiers fought to death alongside Siraj.
@@hattorihanzo8385 Bribing Mir Jafar was only a part of bigger conspiracy hatched by Jagat Seth. Are you wilfully trying to show that you are too naive to understand this?
The company did what a company was supposed to do: maximize its shareholder's interests.
Funny that this is discussion of superiority yet 3 mins in the video you see a servant cleaning in the background
This is terrific stuff. But the interview's continuous interruption is highly irritating and spoils the flow. Audiences want to hear the author and not her..........
Someone please done some zoom H1 and lav mics to these people. The print people never seem to have proper audio recording equipment 😥😥. Sad, because we are really interested in content.
Noise reduction, please! Jyoti Malhotra's audio really just needs some decent de-noising an EQ. Come on, people!
2:10 onwards, also very interesting point after 30:00
Indians invaded indian ..indians soldiers of British company invaded indian 👍👍👍👍
A brilliant analysis of the history by Darylymple. Misrule of Bengal by the Nawbabs and mwnsabdars of turkish and Persian ancestry, heavy taxation imposed on the subjects, oppression of the ordinary people, pillage of Bengal provinces by Maratha Bhonsles or Borgis during this time of anarchy led to the establishment of Company Raj. The period is aptly portraiyed by Bankimchandra in his novel 'Annandamath'. The hindu bankers like Jagatseth were utterly frustrated with the weak Delhi Sulataneate , Nawabs and Jaigirdars. It may be argued that without the tax collection power to Hindu Zamindars through the Permanent Settlement ACT, Bengal Renaissance , modern education system and introduction to the Industrial Revolution of Europe would be a distant dream for Indians.
Also, the major part of the wealth remained with the Indians.
From where did The Delhi sultanate get into this topic?
But our very own presstitutes don't find any fault with Britishers also let alone the British company
Interesting. They never teach this in schools.
Shivam Vij Yako deleting comments?
Parliament colluded because it was economically beneficial for England. Any other country will have done the same.
The East India company, came to India at the invitation of Indians resisting the islamist genocide.
Raya , says a Hindu extremist, and subservient Hindu. This is why they ruled and still rule Hindu India. Inferiority complex is self defeating.
So 100000 rebel sepoys in 1857 went to Mughal Emperor and makes this genocidal Islamist their leader?
Muslim rulers had ruled India from around 1200 to 1800 withoutt genocide . The Hindu population only grew and Hindus became rich enough to lend money to the Brits !!!
It's always quite convenient to blame others for their own oppression...which demonstrates that the oppressors have monopolize the oppressed mind.
Everything triggered by lack of proper strong central empire to govern a diverse country like India; which was a result of Aurangzeb stretching Mughal military and resources trying to win an unwinnable war against the Maratha empire in the south. What a Turn of events ! Did not work out well for India though.
I don't think the title of this video accurately sums up William's thesis of this book.
The audio is painful.
India was greatest economic power from 1000 B.C. to 1700 AD.
Nope, China was all throughout its history the greatest and unrivalled economic power, we were always a distant second
@@shashankjuyal1869 Mughal empire overtook China during Aurangzeb's reign.
Not from 1000 BC, it was from 1000 AD
India has 45% of World GDP Share during Gupta Era (300 - 500 A.D)
@@melodicnostalgic3823 That's not true. Pls mention your source
Can someone explain why did east Indian company ( Private company) employeed Indians to fight Indians... I don't understand that part
@john smith thanks for answering but I think I dint ask the question correctly my doubt was not why y Indians .... But FIGHT ... wat profit does a Pvt company who came is as trader has by making Indians fight
@john smith I did not expect such a elaborate reply thank you ... It was Really helpful
Interesting question - Did the word Indian mean anything 300 years ago ? was it more like Hindu/Maratha/Bengali fighting each other or fighting the Mughals whose center of gravity was towards Central Asia...
Even now the upper caste Bania rulers are doing this.
There was no such place called india at that time. all different kingdom, states, feudal lord, British started everything in bengal( Present day Bangladesh, Indian state of west bengal, assam).
When the time comes - and it's not so far off now, I can hear the clock ticking .....When the nations sold their souls for falsified history and fabricated documentation, did they think the reckoning would never come? Do you not yet feel the Dragon's breath on your professional liar's - I mean historian's - neck Mr Dalrymple? (I guess you didn't follow Game of Thrones).
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So can we conclude that Brahmins and Marwaris were partners with the company.
Baniyas
Brahmins were also Peshwas, the only force which was fighting the Brits until 1800s, and even posited a victory against Brits in First Anglo-Maratha war 1778-1782. Don't generalise.
Dont generalize fucker , it was Maratha who fought 3 wars against company back to back while Nizam and other southern states bend down like obedient slaves , Maratha has to fight the afgans in indus valley , protect the last mughal sultan , handle nawab of bengal while also busy fighting nizam of Hyderabad ,
And most of maratha rulers were brahmins and marwaris were allies like sikhs , rajputs etc
Only things one can conclude are:
(a) your confirmed lunacy &
(b) your deep-seated bigotry derived from your crooked understanding of politics today being mistaken for some kind of Quality History.
History is not shaped by some monolithic caste groups conspiring against their rulers. Indian ruling class had become weak and decadent. It had to go. If it were not English then somebody else.
Ishan Sharma You forgot the Mysore kingdom. They defeated the British as well initially.
Very bad interviewer... A must read book for any Indian or for that matter any body who has interest in history
Why people say 18'O'4 not 1804 is it bcz west didn't came with it zero ? 😐
I guess 18o4 is much easier to pronounce
In the UK most people just say it like that.
She knows nothing and does nothing to shut her trap.
Not to mention the flag of the east India company an uncannily likeness to the now American flag. Equally, an other fascinating historical~realism omibus by The Dalai rymple.
He said Clive never learned an Indian language, but he had learnt Portuguese, which was still a language of trade in the Indian Ocean & Far East.
This jagat seth journalist lady could not extract any inconvenient truth out of william. Arnab would have been a better interviewer than her.
Sure buddy!!
The journalist in not Jagat Seth . You heard wrong .
not documentary style
So, It means marwaris were traitors. They were the root cause of india's slavery. Indian were fighting Indians for the money. Shame on all those traitors.
They shaved India and India entered age of enlightenment, science and technology.
Please understand Marwaris like a lot of other people were doing business with the Brits . Marathas , Marwaris , Bengalis were all different entities and identities . Marathas used to raid , plunder and loot Bengal in the 18th century and were feared .
Apparently i sense the colonialism in him even when he compares british raj vs east india he draws up saying one was ruthless no rules and only profit vs the other was some what under control. Jalian wallabagh was more merciless than the sepoy mutiny as it happened against a peaceful gathering vs a war
Nope, you have no idea that Sikhs wiped out Muslims so that Delhi would not become part of partitioned land.
@@vinamrasinghai2339 the riot was because huge migration to Delhi and people banded together on religion. there is so many such raids that has happened to sikhs during Muslim invasions. It is not comparable to jallin wallah bagh where a country did it to unarmed group.
You are some kind of expert?
Indian fight for money and East india company fight for?
Profits.
The interviewer has a shallow mindset.
2:51 What's Jhaadu Doing in Print Video. *No Wonder you guys are an AAP Channel.* 😒😄
all hail capitalism our one true saviour
OMG! what a revelation. So, the real desh-drohis were Marwaris and Gujaratis!!
and Bengalis
So is it safe to call the Marwadis, the real back stabbers.
Nope. They were businessmen and they don't own anything in any country. They paid Marathas also but they were not the best fighters. Would you like to pay Jizya or not?
No they are just businessmen .
Thanks no nationalism involved
Apologist white Man
For the white man Company.
Fan of the Moguls.
Probably wants to put red herrings in a rightwing Narrative
Ben W.
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Along with the Indian word "Loot" the British took another Indian word into their language, the word "Thug" which describes the British perfectly! India should unleash its Thuggee side on Britian in return! Figure out a way to 'colonize' and OUT-THUG Britain!
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