I always admire the systematic and thoughtful way in which you approach every task -- and the honest and straightforward way you describe what you have done and what you are doing. I will never have a dust collector such as yours, but I enjoyed every minute of this video anyway. Thanks again for another great NLC video.
You're welcome Jerry. After working in a 'let the dust fly where it may' environment on jobsites and in shops for 45 years, the necessity of incorporating dust collection into my workflow has been an interesting experience. You've been around long enough to transition from the original cordless tools (the kinds without batteries) into the amazing new battery powered cordless tools. Transitioning from broadcasting dust to collecting it has many similarities in terms of mental adjustment. Looking back it's just as hard to imagine life before both IMHO. You're quite welcome for the video... as you might imagine there's some adjustment involved in doing the first actual sponsored video by Next Level Carpentry too. Hopefully we never tire of learning or quit accepting new challenges... like taking a cross country camping trip late in life during the time of COVID, right? Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry Speaking of cross-country trips. we just returned home from a long "loop" from Wisconsin to New Mexico to Wyoming and back home on Interstate 90. As we drove through Rapid City last Monday (April 25th), I raised my coffee mug in salute to Matt Jackson, Carpenter Extraordinaire. I hope your day and your week went well. Best...
@@jerrystark3587 Sounds like a great trip! Hope you didn't get caught in any of our April blizzard activity? You've been very respectful of my 'policy' of limiting conversation with CZcams audience to digital and, considering that respect, would entertain making an exception should you find yourself out in this neck of the woods in future travels. Let me know if you're interested in catching up over lunch or something if the occasion arises? Meantime, here's a raised mug backatcha! Thx! Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry The toughest part of the trip were windstorms in Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas on the way to New Mexico. Towing a trailer directly into sustained 45-mph winds with 70-mph gusts was tiring. While driving on US 80 east from Salt Lake City, we hit some nasty sleet and snow, but it didn't last for long. Beautiful country regardless of weather! Save for New Mexico and Arizona, our trip took place in cold weather. Having a heater in our new trailer made all the difference at night -- I am getting spoiled in my old age, it seems. As for a potential visit in Rapid City, it would never have occurred to me to ask such a thing out of respect for your privacy. I am, however, humbled that you would raise such a possibility. which I would enjoy should the occasion arise. Best regards!
@@jerrystark3587 Glad to hear you don't have bad wind experience from SD to remember... the winds you did experience farther south are all too common here so your timing was fortunate. It's exactly that 'respect for privacy' that inclines me to make an exception if you chance by this way again. It would be good to hear and share stories over a burger or sandwich if it should work out someday. Hope you have a good spring season on the homefront before venturing out on the road again... Best, Matt
If you just said something like: “don’t run machines connected to dust collection without running said dust collector” I would have maybe remembered, but not been entertained. Sharing your story like you did though, I will definitely remember it, and I enjoyed it. I guess that’s my long winded, keep up the good work!
Thanks for your comment Vince... it would be equally entertaining to hear others' stories of how their filters got 'constipated'... unless I'm the only one who abuses their filters to that extent? 😉😁😎
Perhaps one addition to your dual port cleanout adapter is to add a blast gate to each side of the wye. Then you could close off one side at a time to ensure each channel is clear and it's not sucking all the air through one side leaving the other side clogged like you had happen in your video. Thanks for being honest about your hack issue.
Thanks Chris; that's an interesting suggestion. My first reaction was that it's too complicated and 'messy', but with further consideration, it just might be worth it because being able to clear one 'nostril' at a time, more air flow through the filter would surely provide better dust-removing power.
Great Video about a great product. However - every G700 owner should double check the connection between the filters and the so called "dust collection boots", (see 0:27.30) as there will most likely be a leakage due to the 4 cut outs in the plastic dust collection boots. The good news is, that you can access and remove these without lifting the G700, as it is not necessary to remove the filters. Just remove the perforated cover of the filters (don't forget the 6 screws from the inside) and you will have easy access to the dust collection boots. The bad news is that I would not consider the fix with the silicone as a proper solution to deal with this design flaw. I just contacted Harvey describing the problem and are very curious about their answer.
Since you are endorsing the Harvey Gyro Air, perhaps this video shows a clear need for a better engineering to filter changes. That is way too many screws, of different sizes, and process. A revision should be made to save time, and removal/replacement. Also, don't your agree the scrubber should be longer, more fingers as top and bottom only isn't efficient. They could implement O-rings for the seals of the filters too, rather than silicone. Still, thank you as Always of your details video, explanations and humor.
Well made points and suggestions... thanks! Maybe Harvey will take them, along with my mention of minor peeves, to heart and improve a V2.0 G700 for the benefit of all? I get the idea we're both optimistic dreamers on such matters... 🤞🤞
Thanks, this was helpful. I broke a paddle due to being stupid and vacuuming the floor that was covered in saw dust and completely blocked up the filters. I knew the paddles would break if I turned too hard, which I didn't but the back and forth turning many times probably weakened the metal. I didn't remove the red knobs to clean out the filters but just took the nut off the bottom of the steel rod. In the future when I move into my new shop next year, I'll not install the filter shroud so I can access the filters more easily. Harvey should make the shroud toolless for removal without needing to perform this "surgery". Harvey did send me a set of four paddles for free but remember to retain your bolts, nuts and washers as these are not provided. It's disappointing that i can't use my G700 as a floor vacuum. My old Jet worked great for that, so now back to sweeping and shop vac. I may sell my G700 for a traditional tall 3HP DC that doesn't care how much debris you pull into it. I've also plugged the G700 filters while planing. The chips at full power blow past the first bin (where the high alarm is), then fills the second bin and filters. I've now settled at a mid 50's power setting but need to change this for each machine for best suction without bypassing the dust bins. I bought my G700 only for decreased sound and having a low shop ceiling. In my new shop, the ceiling will be 8-1/2ft tall and I could build a closet to dampen the sound of a traditional tall DC.
Thanks for sharing that in-depth 'review'... I totally get it with everything you experienced. There's definitely trade-offs between footprint size, noise levels and dust-sucking volume/performance so I understand your motivation to go with a different unit/design for your new shop. One thing I'd say about your floor vacuuming experience is that I don't use mine for that out of fear of sucking up metal, small rocks or large chunks of wood, not because of volume limitations. I think the real issue is about overloading the air flow beyond what's normal output of saws, planers etc. I have noticed what you mentioned about light/thin shavings blowing past the first bin and, in some extreme cases, the second one and avoiding that situation/condition is reason enough to switch machines if space/sound/power availability aren't a concern. Congrats on stepping up to a new shop... hope it serves you well and is more enjoyable to work in. Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry Thanks Matt. I just assembled my DC piping on the bare ground this morning for the new shop and it is now covered in gravel. In a few weeks, it'll be under a concrete slab. I used 6" SDR 35 (sewer pipe) with three cleanouts - just in case. I figured that the ground contact will eliminate static shocks. I ported the piping to four different spots (jointer/planer, table saw, bandsaw and miter saw). All are on mobile bases to move around if needed. The 6" pipes will protrude above the finished floor but I wrapped them with 1/2" neoprene rubber so I can flush cut them to the floor, then cut below the floor and add 6" threaded sewer cleanouts, which will either have threaded caps as cleanouts or with threaded couplers for my machine connections. The 1/2" neoprene will give me the room for these fittings once cut away. My plan is to make sure all threaded cleanout fittings sit below the floor surface so they can all be capped and covered in 20+ years by the new owner, if desired. I did think carefully on the piping design to eliminate sharp 90 degree bends but using 6" pipe should also help with airflow. It will be great not to have piping overhead that attracts dust like a magnet and much cheaper than metal ducting for such purpose.
@@bobbray9666 sounds like a dream system Bob and I envy you a bit for how user friendly that system will be when you get it done. The extra effort you're putting in now will pay off in spades every time you work in the shop and don't have to navigate around ducts for dust collection. The other amazing thing will be having your dust collector in an isolated soundproofed room to keep that unpleasant noise out of the shop. Definitely means that none of the Harvey dust processors will suit your needs because their features no longer outweigh their limitations. Seems to me that Oneida leads the pack for cyclone dust collectors but would be curious to know what you end up choosing for your system... Best, Matt
love your atention to presision and detail,my father was a master carpenter and as a child i spent manny hours in the workshop and remembering him and seeing you work it is like a rememberance on how things sould be done. thank you for sharing your skils.greets belgian expat in the Philippines .(ps i will advise local woodworkers to view your channel so they get inspired and upgrade there skils)
Love your videos! Best line in the whole thing came at the 48:14 mark: "These [filters] are like half a micron; Those are 5/10th of a micron or whatever." I watched it twice; did the math ... and ... hahahaha.
Thanks! I have the G-700, but it hasn't been used very much yet. Building a new shop and there are other issues taking up my time, but I'll get back to working wood soon.
Should be a long time before you need what this video shows but I think you saved yourself some learning curve grief by watching the first few segments of this video...
@@NextLevelCarpentry Just finished with the rest of it. I also enjoy your other videos. I have learned from watching them, and since I have no TV, they are my therapy and fun outside of working in my shop.
Glad to provide information to prevent you from making a purchase you'd regret. FWIW access to those filters is one of the biggest drawbacks of an otherwise excellent machine.
All dust collectors/processors have the unenviable task of routine maintenance to keep them operating at their peek. I find the measure of the design is inversely proportional to the amount of time it takes to complete said maintenance! The Harvey looks like it has a fairly simple and relatively painless procedure.
With no experience with other DC designs I don't know how filter maintenance between brands compares which makes me thankful that the G700, when used 'responsibly', can go extended periods between deep-cleaning of the filters. Kinda like brushing and flossing diligently minimizes trips to the dentist? 😁
I have a Harvey G700 and it looks like it has the most complex filter removal procedure compared to vertical cyclone DC's. I suspect, but do not know for certain that the design dumps more dust into the filters than a vertical cyclone does. But that may vary by model. As an improvement on the G700, the G800 goes beyond the manually operated 'beater bar' method of cleaning the filter media in favor of an automatic high pressure air filter cleaning system. That seems like a nice upgrade.
First, I would like to say I like the rabbit holes you go down. Often, that is where the little gems of knowledge is hiding. That looks like a sweet dust collector and may get one if I can find the space for it. Suggestion. If the alarm/light is easy to miss seeing, You could hook up a brighter light to it. Have someone with electrical knowledge install a female plug on the unit wired into the alarm. Then mount a bright bulb or strobe light on the wall. that would be hard to miss seeing when the bags are full
Great idea, Big Al... I'll keep it in mind. I've got a friend who's a very capable electrician who would be able to implement your suggestion easily and quickly with great affect... thanks! Best, Matt
Glad to hear you understand the difference between rocket surgery and brain science and recognize the clear distinction as demonstrated in this video... kudos!😉🤣😎
@@NextLevelCarpentry With a teacher like that it could not be any other way! 😀👍👍👍 Very detailed videos, a lot of tips and explanations, this i highly appreciated. Very educational, in many ways unique material. Are you doing all editing yourself, or is there someone helping you out with this? Thanks.
@@mp6814 I wear all the hats for video production on the Channel. Video production throughput suffers greatly since everything involved takes tons of time. If I had a video production team, quality would improve noticeably and I could produce enough content for 2 videos per week instead of more like 1 a month... someday maybe... but probably not. Best, Matt
What speed do you run your G700 when working with a single tool? On mine, I found I have to run it at the lowest speed to ensure the material drops into the bins correctly and doesn't clog up the filters. I find this be be great as there is a lot of head room to use multiple tools at once later on (like a CNC and a planer).
I think you've raised a point that would be best addressed by an engineer at Harvey. On one hand I can see your thought that slower AirSpeed allows the chips to drop out but on the other hand it seems to me like higher AirSpeed equals higher RPM in the chambers which equals higher centrifical Force which removes particles from the Air Stream. I always run the machine at the 75 setting and regulate airflow by adjusting blast gates to machines that aren't in use figuring that a slower setting on the machine is mainly to reduce noise levels and power consumption. I have a hunch that lower air speed isn't necessarily a good idea because of my experience running the planer without the dust collector running. In that situation air flow was indeed lower but allowed the chips to float through rather than spin-out from higher airflow RPM in the chambers. If it comes to mind I'll run this by the guys at Harvey to get their take on the conundrum. Until then thanks for watching and commenting... Best, Matt
Thanks for the detailed video. At 0:30 in the video the machine is seen without the spider grid spanning the 6” input port. 10 seconds later the spider is present. Can you explain the chronology here?
That is a bit confusing Jeff, sorry. The explanation is that, because that little 'spider' gets clogged up with long stringy 'sawdust' like that generated when ripping pine, I've modified my G700 so the 'safety grille' is removable. I didn't notice in the video sequence (until you pointed it out) that in one scene it's in place and the other it's not. Since it's a safety feature installed by Harvey to protect the impeller (which is only inches inside the intake port) from fingers, etc, it's more responsible of me to show it in place because all viewers might not understand it's importance and remove it "because that Next Level Carpentry guy removed HIS grille" and experience injury or damage the impeller. Hope that helps. Let me know if you've other questions about this or other anomalies that show up in NLC videos... Best, Matt
If lack of suction is a sudden event I suspect the cause is different than a more gradual loss. That's probably not a surprise to you but I mention it for benefit of other viewers. The leading cause of quick loss of suction in my shop is when long, stringy shavings like those from ripping pine get clogged up on the intake grille. I've come up with a solution for that problem too in case it's a recurring issue for your G700. Regardless, you're quite welcome for the video... hope your DC is soon inhaling vigorously once again! Best, Matt
I didn't want to spend a full day on the G700, so this morning I unhooked the main flex duct, took the back cover off and the cover over the filters, wheeled the critter out on to the driveway, removed the two caps, and cranked it up. I banged on the filters and used compressed air on them. Dust went everywhere. It may not be recommended, but I shot compressed air into each outflow (what ever you call them, where the caps were). I managed to get a lot of dust to come out for about 10 minutes of running the machane on and off. I also shot some air in the ports where the shavings enter the bags. I have a 4 inch blast gate at the end of my 15 foot (air handling systems) metal duct. I ran the leaf blower into that and blew stuff out of the main duct. Success. I'm back up and running to finish my current project. Then I'll do proper filter change.
@@genetitus6321 I want to see a video of THAT! 😂 I thought I was going to get a bunch of grief for the dust plum I generated blowing out the filter in the video even thought it's good, healthy dust, right?😎 I'll be curious to hear if you end up changing to new filters or just doing the 'deep dive' sort of cleaning you did this time and I did twice before. Frankly, a thorough blow-out works wonders IMHO. Best, Matt
Sounds like a good practice... if you're ambitious enough to do it. I'm kinda lazy that way and would probably save myself effort overall if I'd adopt your diligent routine...
@@pmelchman I went around 2 years with doing a fair amount of dust collection on millwork projects before I did anything beyond the standard self-cleaning cycle which is reassuring that it doesn't need to show up 'on the task blotter' too frequently 😎
Do you think the G700 would work with a Oneida dust deputy? I have their big one before my current Jet dust collector. Most of the chips drop in a half barrel drum I mounted the Oneida to. Great videos! Thanks.
I don't see why it wouldn't work but it also seems redundant IMHO. The only time I have trouble with the G700 is when I don't notice the full bin indicator light and overfill the bins. Other than that I guess you'd gain time between emptying the bins because of the higher capacity of the extra DD barrel...
It is kind of a pain to remove the filters for a full cleaning but that doesn't need to be done that often. I feel it's a necessary evil to get all the features and benefits of the G700 like low noise, compact profile, 220V 15amp power for 220V 3-phase performance and efficiency and 99.9% dust removal. If you don't need those features another brand/option with easier access to filters might be a better option for you so I recommend considering the G700 as one option among many to make the choice that's best for your needs and your shop...
It looks like a great machine. Perhaps on the next model they can address some of annoying disassembly issues you faced servicing it. My "dust collection" is pulling the machine near the open garage door before use, and then blowing any dust produced outside with compressed air. Pretty classy, huh? LOL.
I hear you! I've only been collecting dust for 3 of my 45+ years producing it. I previously had a cordless dust collection setup... consisting of a broom and scoop shovel that relied heavily on a windy weather forecast...
Designers of shop vacs can't even bother to make them quieter than jet aircraft landing so I doubt they'll invest time for engineering and expense into developing scrubbers😉😎
@@bobbray9666 Gotta go with whatever brand/design/setup performs best for your situation, right? I dream of an ideal universal solution but am pessimistic that it exists... 😯
Any merit in adding 1 or both your spare scrubber flaps at different heights and sides of the rod for better scrubbing of the filters ?? Might prevent the clogging shown in unscrubbed areas.
Not sure Robert. I actually considered that but it would have been a bit of a chore to create flat spots, drill and tap for uncertain results. I think their location gives a pretty good 'flick' of the pleat that carries top to bottom but who knows, I may follow your hunch some day and give it a go. Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry That might create too much friction to easily turn the knobs without setting the rubber paddle ends back further from the pleats to the rod, which would yield similar results or worse than the stock configuration.
I like this thing but I’d be many times more interested if they made it in a verticals configuration. Like an extra tall refrigerator. Even if it was kind of wide. Slipping this thing under a workbench is also great though. It’s a weird thing. Give and take, pros and cons.
I'm with you on the vertical design thing... although in my current circumstances this configuration is actually better. I think they'd do well to offer two styles though... maybe someday?
Helo Sir , I am a newbies in pallet wood salvaging. I would like to inquire some feedback from you on pallet dismantling method ;and the pro and con that came with it. and btw ,I came to 1 reference of wetting the wood prior to prying out the nails ,does this method viable to be put in practise? what is the pro and cons ..... hope you wont mind me asking this question. Thank you ....
If you're interested in using pallets for woodworking projects, you might find videos in this playlist from the Next Level Carpentry Channel informative: czcams.com/video/9OxMpVWIqRI/video.html Not sure if wetting pallets prior to dismantling will help but, if it does, you'd need to plan on re-drying any salvaged boards before use. Best, Matt
Keep in mind that Gyro Air technology was NOT created for use as a dust collector in wood shops. They expanded into woodworking and the G700 is the best solution for many shops like mine but definitely not ALL shops. I do hope they develop a new V2.0 more suited to wood shops but not at the expense of the current game changing compact quiet design.
@@JamesSmith-zs8fl for sure. I'd love to see them re-design the filtering access/configuration/setup because that's the biggest issue I have with the design. They could boost their sales and market share significantly if they'd adapt the technology into an upright configuration too.
I do hope there's design changes on future models to make filter maintenance in a woodwork shop environment less involved but, in Harvey's defense, the dust PROCESSOR design was developed for a different work environment than woodworking shops. Imagine needing to collect dust in a dental lab or R&D shop where grinding plaster molds, prosthetics, plastics, composites, etc where space and power are limited and portability is important. The machine is more ideally suited for lab and specialty work like grinding or working with graphite, metals, plastics etc where dust is fine and heavy and volume is relatively low. I'm thankful 'they' made the Gyro Air design/performance available to woodworkers because of all its fantastic features so putting up with its shortcomings is more than acceptable IMHO. I realize that those same tradeoffs aren't worth it or practical for many, if not most, woodworking shop situations. Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry Thanks for the explanation. That makes a lot of sense but now it makes me wonder why you are using one as opposed to a traditional woodworking dust collector with high capacity.
I am disappointed all the videos I have seen on this machine are all sponsored by Harvey with a free machine 2nd way to much bull to go thru to change the filters Why is the on off on the back of the machine dumb dumb dumb !!! Other than that great video by you sir thanks
You're quite welcome... I appreciate the gratitude you express for myself and others that truthfully revealed the pros and cons of the G700 to help you make a more informed decision for your dust collection setup.
I always admire the systematic and thoughtful way in which you approach every task -- and the honest and straightforward way you describe what you have done and what you are doing.
I will never have a dust collector such as yours, but I enjoyed every minute of this video anyway.
Thanks again for another great NLC video.
You're welcome Jerry. After working in a 'let the dust fly where it may' environment on jobsites and in shops for 45 years, the necessity of incorporating dust collection into my workflow has been an interesting experience. You've been around long enough to transition from the original cordless tools (the kinds without batteries) into the amazing new battery powered cordless tools. Transitioning from broadcasting dust to collecting it has many similarities in terms of mental adjustment. Looking back it's just as hard to imagine life before both IMHO.
You're quite welcome for the video... as you might imagine there's some adjustment involved in doing the first actual sponsored video by Next Level Carpentry too. Hopefully we never tire of learning or quit accepting new challenges... like taking a cross country camping trip late in life during the time of COVID, right?
Best,
Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry Speaking of cross-country trips. we just returned home from a long "loop" from Wisconsin to New Mexico to Wyoming and back home on Interstate 90. As we drove through Rapid City last Monday (April 25th), I raised my coffee mug in salute to Matt Jackson, Carpenter Extraordinaire. I hope your day and your week went well.
Best...
@@jerrystark3587 Sounds like a great trip! Hope you didn't get caught in any of our April blizzard activity? You've been very respectful of my 'policy' of limiting conversation with CZcams audience to digital and, considering that respect, would entertain making an exception should you find yourself out in this neck of the woods in future travels. Let me know if you're interested in catching up over lunch or something if the occasion arises? Meantime, here's a raised mug backatcha! Thx!
Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry The toughest part of the trip were windstorms in Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas on the way to New Mexico. Towing a trailer directly into sustained 45-mph winds with 70-mph gusts was tiring. While driving on US 80 east from Salt Lake City, we hit some nasty sleet and snow, but it didn't last for long. Beautiful country regardless of weather!
Save for New Mexico and Arizona, our trip took place in cold weather. Having a heater in our new trailer made all the difference at night -- I am getting spoiled in my old age, it seems.
As for a potential visit in Rapid City, it would never have occurred to me to ask such a thing out of respect for your privacy. I am, however, humbled that you would raise such a possibility. which I would enjoy should the occasion arise.
Best regards!
@@jerrystark3587 Glad to hear you don't have bad wind experience from SD to remember... the winds you did experience farther south are all too common here so your timing was fortunate.
It's exactly that 'respect for privacy' that inclines me to make an exception if you chance by this way again. It would be good to hear and share stories over a burger or sandwich if it should work out someday.
Hope you have a good spring season on the homefront before venturing out on the road again...
Best,
Matt
If you just said something like: “don’t run machines connected to dust collection without running said dust collector” I would have maybe remembered, but not been entertained. Sharing your story like you did though, I will definitely remember it, and I enjoyed it. I guess that’s my long winded, keep up the good work!
Thanks for your comment Vince... it would be equally entertaining to hear others' stories of how their filters got 'constipated'... unless I'm the only one who abuses their filters to that extent? 😉😁😎
As a new G700 owner-- I appreciate the "hacks" and you sharing your knowledge! Again thanks.
You're welcome, Noble. Hope this helps you flatten the learning curve as you get to know your G700.
Best,
Matt
Perhaps one addition to your dual port cleanout adapter is to add a blast gate to each side of the wye. Then you could close off one side at a time to ensure each channel is clear and it's not sucking all the air through one side leaving the other side clogged like you had happen in your video. Thanks for being honest about your hack issue.
Thanks Chris; that's an interesting suggestion. My first reaction was that it's too complicated and 'messy', but with further consideration, it just might be worth it because being able to clear one 'nostril' at a time, more air flow through the filter would surely provide better dust-removing power.
Great Video about a great product. However - every G700 owner should double check the connection between the filters and the so called "dust collection boots", (see 0:27.30) as there will most likely be a leakage due to the 4 cut outs in the plastic dust collection boots. The good news is, that you can access and remove these without lifting the G700, as it is not necessary to remove the filters. Just remove the perforated cover of the filters (don't forget the 6 screws from the inside) and you will have easy access to the dust collection boots. The bad news is that I would not consider the fix with the silicone as a proper solution to deal with this design flaw. I just contacted Harvey describing the problem and are very curious about their answer.
Yet another excellent, thorough, detailed, and professional tutorial. Well done!
Since you are endorsing the Harvey Gyro Air, perhaps this video shows a clear need for a better engineering to filter changes. That is way too many screws, of different sizes, and process. A revision should be made to save time, and removal/replacement. Also, don't your agree the scrubber should be longer, more fingers as top and bottom only isn't efficient. They could implement O-rings for the seals of the filters too, rather than silicone. Still, thank you as Always of your details video, explanations and humor.
Well made points and suggestions... thanks! Maybe Harvey will take them, along with my mention of minor peeves, to heart and improve a V2.0 G700 for the benefit of all? I get the idea we're both optimistic dreamers on such matters... 🤞🤞
Thanks, this was helpful. I broke a paddle due to being stupid and vacuuming the floor that was covered in saw dust and completely blocked up the filters. I knew the paddles would break if I turned too hard, which I didn't but the back and forth turning many times probably weakened the metal. I didn't remove the red knobs to clean out the filters but just took the nut off the bottom of the steel rod. In the future when I move into my new shop next year, I'll not install the filter shroud so I can access the filters more easily. Harvey should make the shroud toolless for removal without needing to perform this "surgery". Harvey did send me a set of four paddles for free but remember to retain your bolts, nuts and washers as these are not provided.
It's disappointing that i can't use my G700 as a floor vacuum. My old Jet worked great for that, so now back to sweeping and shop vac. I may sell my G700 for a traditional tall 3HP DC that doesn't care how much debris you pull into it. I've also plugged the G700 filters while planing. The chips at full power blow past the first bin (where the high alarm is), then fills the second bin and filters. I've now settled at a mid 50's power setting but need to change this for each machine for best suction without bypassing the dust bins.
I bought my G700 only for decreased sound and having a low shop ceiling. In my new shop, the ceiling will be 8-1/2ft tall and I could build a closet to dampen the sound of a traditional tall DC.
Thanks for sharing that in-depth 'review'... I totally get it with everything you experienced.
There's definitely trade-offs between footprint size, noise levels and dust-sucking volume/performance so I understand your motivation to go with a different unit/design for your new shop.
One thing I'd say about your floor vacuuming experience is that I don't use mine for that out of fear of sucking up metal, small rocks or large chunks of wood, not because of volume limitations. I think the real issue is about overloading the air flow beyond what's normal output of saws, planers etc. I have noticed what you mentioned about light/thin shavings blowing past the first bin and, in some extreme cases, the second one and avoiding that situation/condition is reason enough to switch machines if space/sound/power availability aren't a concern.
Congrats on stepping up to a new shop... hope it serves you well and is more enjoyable to work in.
Best,
Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry Thanks Matt. I just assembled my DC piping on the bare ground this morning for the new shop and it is now covered in gravel. In a few weeks, it'll be under a concrete slab. I used 6" SDR 35 (sewer pipe) with three cleanouts - just in case. I figured that the ground contact will eliminate static shocks. I ported the piping to four different spots (jointer/planer, table saw, bandsaw and miter saw). All are on mobile bases to move around if needed.
The 6" pipes will protrude above the finished floor but I wrapped them with 1/2" neoprene rubber so I can flush cut them to the floor, then cut below the floor and add 6" threaded sewer cleanouts, which will either have threaded caps as cleanouts or with threaded couplers for my machine connections. The 1/2" neoprene will give me the room for these fittings once cut away. My plan is to make sure all threaded cleanout fittings sit below the floor surface so they can all be capped and covered in 20+ years by the new owner, if desired. I did think carefully on the piping design to eliminate sharp 90 degree bends but using 6" pipe should also help with airflow.
It will be great not to have piping overhead that attracts dust like a magnet and much cheaper than metal ducting for such purpose.
@@bobbray9666 sounds like a dream system Bob and I envy you a bit for how user friendly that system will be when you get it done. The extra effort you're putting in now will pay off in spades every time you work in the shop and don't have to navigate around ducts for dust collection. The other amazing thing will be having your dust collector in an isolated soundproofed room to keep that unpleasant noise out of the shop. Definitely means that none of the Harvey dust processors will suit your needs because their features no longer outweigh their limitations. Seems to me that Oneida leads the pack for cyclone dust collectors but would be curious to know what you end up choosing for your system...
Best, Matt
love your atention to presision and detail,my father was a master carpenter and as a child i spent manny hours in the workshop and remembering him and seeing you work it is like a rememberance on how things sould be done. thank you for sharing your skils.greets belgian expat in the Philippines .(ps i will advise local woodworkers to view your channel so they get inspired and upgrade there skils)
Don't kick and scream Metric loves you ! and is way easier than the fractal system.
Love your videos! Best line in the whole thing came at the 48:14 mark: "These [filters] are like half a micron; Those are 5/10th of a micron or whatever." I watched it twice; did the math ... and ... hahahaha.
Thanks! I have the G-700, but it hasn't been used very much yet. Building a new shop and there are other issues taking up my time, but I'll get back to working wood soon.
Should be a long time before you need what this video shows but I think you saved yourself some learning curve grief by watching the first few segments of this video...
@@NextLevelCarpentry Just finished with the rest of it. I also enjoy your other videos. I have learned from watching them, and since I have no TV, they are my therapy and fun outside of working in my shop.
@@hoecherd thanks for letting me know... much appreciated!
Thanks for the video and warnings! I think I will stick with my Felder R160!
I was curious, but the last thing I need is something that has to be programed or rebooted. I will take an on/off switch.
Just an FYI ,if I was you I would add 2 more scrubbers to each filter in quarters so you can be more efficient in keeping them clean
I have a G700 ordered. Thanks sooo much for the informative video. I learned a lot.
Was going to purchase this but not sold on it after this walkthough.
Glad to provide information to prevent you from making a purchase you'd regret. FWIW access to those filters is one of the biggest drawbacks of an otherwise excellent machine.
All dust collectors/processors have the unenviable task of routine maintenance to keep them operating at their peek. I find the measure of the design is inversely proportional to the amount of time it takes to complete said maintenance! The Harvey looks like it has a fairly simple and relatively painless procedure.
With no experience with other DC designs I don't know how filter maintenance between brands compares which makes me thankful that the G700, when used 'responsibly', can go extended periods between deep-cleaning of the filters. Kinda like brushing and flossing diligently minimizes trips to the dentist? 😁
I have a Harvey G700 and it looks like it has the most complex filter removal procedure compared to vertical cyclone DC's. I suspect, but do not know for certain that the design dumps more dust into the filters than a vertical cyclone does. But that may vary by model. As an improvement on the G700, the G800 goes beyond the manually operated 'beater bar' method of cleaning the filter media in favor of an automatic high pressure air filter cleaning system. That seems like a nice upgrade.
First, I would like to say I like the rabbit holes you go down. Often, that is where the little gems of knowledge is hiding. That looks like a sweet dust collector and may get one if I can find the space for it. Suggestion. If the alarm/light is easy to miss seeing, You could hook up a brighter light to it. Have someone with electrical knowledge install a female plug on the unit wired into the alarm. Then mount a bright bulb or strobe light on the wall. that would be hard to miss seeing when the bags are full
Great idea, Big Al... I'll keep it in mind. I've got a friend who's a very capable electrician who would be able to implement your suggestion easily and quickly with great affect... thanks!
Best, Matt
Another successful act of rocket surgery performed by a perfectional master carpenter!! Thumbs up!
Glad to hear you understand the difference between rocket surgery and brain science and recognize the clear distinction as demonstrated in this video... kudos!😉🤣😎
@@NextLevelCarpentry With a teacher like that it could not be any other way! 😀👍👍👍 Very detailed videos, a lot of tips and explanations, this i highly appreciated. Very educational, in many ways unique material. Are you doing all editing yourself, or is there someone helping you out with this? Thanks.
@@mp6814 I wear all the hats for video production on the Channel. Video production throughput suffers greatly since everything involved takes tons of time. If I had a video production team, quality would improve noticeably and I could produce enough content for 2 videos per week instead of more like 1 a month... someday maybe... but probably not.
Best,
Matt
It's all in the details ! Thanks and Blessings 🙏
What speed do you run your G700 when working with a single tool? On mine, I found I have to run it at the lowest speed to ensure the material drops into the bins correctly and doesn't clog up the filters. I find this be be great as there is a lot of head room to use multiple tools at once later on (like a CNC and a planer).
I think you've raised a point that would be best addressed by an engineer at Harvey.
On one hand I can see your thought that slower AirSpeed allows the chips to drop out but on the other hand it seems to me like higher AirSpeed equals higher RPM in the chambers which equals higher centrifical Force which removes particles from the Air Stream.
I always run the machine at the 75 setting and regulate airflow by adjusting blast gates to machines that aren't in use figuring that a slower setting on the machine is mainly to reduce noise levels and power consumption. I have a hunch that lower air speed isn't necessarily a good idea because of my experience running the planer without the dust collector running. In that situation air flow was indeed lower but allowed the chips to float through rather than spin-out from higher airflow RPM in the chambers.
If it comes to mind I'll run this by the guys at Harvey to get their take on the conundrum.
Until then thanks for watching and commenting...
Best, Matt
Harvey has a good sale on this machine right now. Love to have one but I better get that Alpa 4 hp first.
Is that the Binford 700?
It's a G700, not a B700 but it does have 'more power'! 😂😎
Thank you.
I just purchased a G700, it was working great but now there’s an error code F60. Which is not in the manual. Any idea??
Contact Harvey's Customer/Tech support... they've always been super helpful for me on rare occasions I had problems I couldn't figure out...
Thanks for the detailed video. At 0:30 in the video the machine is seen without the spider grid spanning the 6” input port. 10 seconds later the spider is present. Can you explain the chronology here?
That is a bit confusing Jeff, sorry.
The explanation is that, because that little 'spider' gets clogged up with long stringy 'sawdust' like that generated when ripping pine, I've modified my G700 so the 'safety grille' is removable. I didn't notice in the video sequence (until you pointed it out) that in one scene it's in place and the other it's not. Since it's a safety feature installed by Harvey to protect the impeller (which is only inches inside the intake port) from fingers, etc, it's more responsible of me to show it in place because all viewers might not understand it's importance and remove it "because that Next Level Carpentry guy removed HIS grille" and experience injury or damage the impeller.
Hope that helps. Let me know if you've other questions about this or other anomalies that show up in NLC videos...
Best,
Matt
Perfect timing. My g700 just started to not suck.... if you know what I mean. :-) Thanks for the video!!!
If lack of suction is a sudden event I suspect the cause is different than a more gradual loss. That's probably not a surprise to you but I mention it for benefit of other viewers. The leading cause of quick loss of suction in my shop is when long, stringy shavings like those from ripping pine get clogged up on the intake grille. I've come up with a solution for that problem too in case it's a recurring issue for your G700. Regardless, you're quite welcome for the video... hope your DC is soon inhaling vigorously once again!
Best, Matt
I didn't want to spend a full day on the G700, so this morning I unhooked the main flex duct, took the back cover off and the cover over the filters, wheeled the critter out on to the driveway, removed the two caps, and cranked it up. I banged on the filters and used compressed air on them. Dust went everywhere. It may not be recommended, but I shot compressed air into each outflow (what ever you call them, where the caps were). I managed to get a lot of dust to come out for about 10 minutes of running the machane on and off. I also shot some air in the ports where the shavings enter the bags. I have a 4 inch blast gate at the end of my 15 foot (air handling systems) metal duct. I ran the leaf blower into that and blew stuff out of the main duct. Success. I'm back up and running to finish my current project. Then I'll do proper filter change.
@@genetitus6321 I want to see a video of THAT! 😂 I thought I was going to get a bunch of grief for the dust plum I generated blowing out the filter in the video even thought it's good, healthy dust, right?😎
I'll be curious to hear if you end up changing to new filters or just doing the 'deep dive' sort of cleaning you did this time and I did twice before. Frankly, a thorough blow-out works wonders IMHO. Best, Matt
I am doing the cleaning routine every time I empty the bins.
Sounds like a good practice... if you're ambitious enough to do it. I'm kinda lazy that way and would probably save myself effort overall if I'd adopt your diligent routine...
I enjoy my G700. Thanks for the video
It's a great machine, Patrick... had any filter issues yet?
@@NextLevelCarpentry not as of yet but after your and Jason video… I like your method better. I’ll be penciling this task on the blotter soon
@@pmelchman I went around 2 years with doing a fair amount of dust collection on millwork projects before I did anything beyond the standard self-cleaning cycle which is reassuring that it doesn't need to show up 'on the task blotter' too frequently 😎
Do you think the G700 would work with a Oneida dust deputy? I have their big one before my current Jet dust collector. Most of the chips drop in a half barrel drum I mounted the Oneida to. Great videos! Thanks.
I don't see why it wouldn't work but it also seems redundant IMHO. The only time I have trouble with the G700 is when I don't notice the full bin indicator light and overfill the bins. Other than that I guess you'd gain time between emptying the bins because of the higher capacity of the extra DD barrel...
I was thinking about purchasing the g700 but this looks like a lot just to clean a filter
It is kind of a pain to remove the filters for a full cleaning but that doesn't need to be done that often. I feel it's a necessary evil to get all the features and benefits of the G700 like low noise, compact profile, 220V 15amp power for 220V 3-phase performance and efficiency and 99.9% dust removal. If you don't need those features another brand/option with easier access to filters might be a better option for you so I recommend considering the G700 as one option among many to make the choice that's best for your needs and your shop...
It looks like a great machine. Perhaps on the next model they can address some of annoying disassembly issues you faced servicing it. My "dust collection" is pulling the machine near the open garage door before use, and then blowing any dust produced outside with compressed air. Pretty classy, huh? LOL.
I hear you! I've only been collecting dust for 3 of my 45+ years producing it. I previously had a cordless dust collection setup... consisting of a broom and scoop shovel that relied heavily on a windy weather forecast...
Makes you wonder why manufacturers of shop vacs haven't found a way to incorporate a scrubber like that!
Designers of shop vacs can't even bother to make them quieter than jet aircraft landing so I doubt they'll invest time for engineering and expense into developing scrubbers😉😎
My Dewalt dust extractor has an automatic filter bump every 30 seconds or so to each of the two filters.
@@bobbray9666 Gotta go with whatever brand/design/setup performs best for your situation, right? I dream of an ideal universal solution but am pessimistic that it exists... 😯
Any merit in adding 1 or both your spare scrubber flaps at different heights and sides of the rod for better scrubbing of the filters ?? Might prevent the clogging shown in unscrubbed areas.
Not sure Robert. I actually considered that but it would have been a bit of a chore to create flat spots, drill and tap for uncertain results. I think their location gives a pretty good 'flick' of the pleat that carries top to bottom but who knows, I may follow your hunch some day and give it a go.
Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry That might create too much friction to easily turn the knobs without setting the rubber paddle ends back further from the pleats to the rod, which would yield similar results or worse than the stock configuration.
@@bobbray9666 Agreed... could easily be a 6 of one, half dozen of the other situation... 🤔
I like this thing but I’d be many times more interested if they made it in a verticals configuration. Like an extra tall refrigerator. Even if it was kind of wide. Slipping this thing under a workbench is also great though. It’s a weird thing. Give and take, pros and cons.
I'm with you on the vertical design thing... although in my current circumstances this configuration is actually better. I think they'd do well to offer two styles though... maybe someday?
I love my G700
There's a lot to love... and the machine responds well to TLC applied on a regular basis, right? 😎
Helo Sir , I am a newbies in pallet wood salvaging. I would like to inquire some feedback from you on pallet dismantling method ;and the pro and con that came with it. and btw ,I came to 1 reference of wetting the wood prior to prying out the nails ,does this method viable to be put in practise? what is the pro and cons ..... hope you wont mind me asking this question. Thank you ....
If you're interested in using pallets for woodworking projects, you might find videos in this playlist from the Next Level Carpentry Channel informative:
czcams.com/video/9OxMpVWIqRI/video.html
Not sure if wetting pallets prior to dismantling will help but, if it does, you'd need to plan on re-drying any salvaged boards before use.
Best, Matt
Are you going to have a video on the cutting board?
And I'm missing the video as I'm typing this comment lol. I'll just have to rewatch it.
As I mentioned: the cutting board was made for by a friend without a thickness planer so I was flattening it for him as a favor, sorry. 🥺
@@NextLevelCarpentry looks great thanks for the snippet. Happy Easter.
Good grief! That thing could sure use some additional engineering to make it work better and make it easier to maintain.
Keep in mind that Gyro Air technology was NOT created for use as a dust collector in wood shops. They expanded into woodworking and the G700 is the best solution for many shops like mine but definitely not ALL shops. I do hope they develop a new V2.0 more suited to wood shops but not at the expense of the current game changing compact quiet design.
@NextLevelCarpentry quiet and powerful are admirable engineering goals to build upon.
@@JamesSmith-zs8fl for sure. I'd love to see them re-design the filtering access/configuration/setup because that's the biggest issue I have with the design. They could boost their sales and market share significantly if they'd adapt the technology into an upright configuration too.
Looks like a nice machine. But poor engineering to require that much effort to replace a consumable. Hopefully newer models are easier.
I do hope there's design changes on future models to make filter maintenance in a woodwork shop environment less involved but, in Harvey's defense, the dust PROCESSOR design was developed for a different work environment than woodworking shops.
Imagine needing to collect dust in a dental lab or R&D shop where grinding plaster molds, prosthetics, plastics, composites, etc where space and power are limited and portability is important. The machine is more ideally suited for lab and specialty work like grinding or working with graphite, metals, plastics etc where dust is fine and heavy and volume is relatively low.
I'm thankful 'they' made the Gyro Air design/performance available to woodworkers because of all its fantastic features so putting up with its shortcomings is more than acceptable IMHO. I realize that those same tradeoffs aren't worth it or practical for many, if not most, woodworking shop situations.
Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry Thanks for the explanation. That makes a lot of sense but now it makes me wonder why you are using one as opposed to a traditional woodworking dust collector with high capacity.
@@garyh4458 Ceiling height and noise was my reason to buy a G700 but the trade-offs aren't worth it if you have solutions for both.
I think I could pull the heads off a 69 Chevelle in that amount of time.
I am disappointed all the videos I have seen on this machine are all sponsored by Harvey with a free machine
2nd way to much bull to go thru to change the filters
Why is the on off on the back of the machine dumb dumb dumb !!!
Other than that great video by you sir thanks
You're quite welcome... I appreciate the gratitude you express for myself and others that truthfully revealed the pros and cons of the G700 to help you make a more informed decision for your dust collection setup.