Divine Genocide or Quarantine in the Old Testament? Analyzing God's Command in Numbers 31
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- What actually happens in Numbers 31? Genocide, or some kind of divine quarantine? Dr. Josh places the text in its literary context, considering similar events in Numbers to better understand the events of this passage.
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Your Bible quote reminds me - I have a friend who used to have a black Siamese cat named Ba'al Peor (usually shortened to Peor).
Great video. This is a take on Numbers I’d never fully considered, but always found disturbing given all the times god keeps inflicting his people with plague. Thanks for the rundown
Many years ago, while in great emotional distress, I sought guidance and comfort from the Bible. I just opened the book, and it opened to that exact page -- I read about God wanting all the Midianite boys and women killed, but they could keep the girls for their own use. That was the last time I sought guidance from the Bible. It was not long after that that I put Christianity (at least that literalist version) behind me. Thanks for debunking the excuses.
Cat Woods - are you like me and skeptical that Christianity still might be true, even though it seems to have distasteful content in the Torah?
@@isaiahreno I just meant that I didn't immediately go all the way out of Christianity. Before that incident, I was uncertain about literalism, being surrounded by a lot of literalists yet not really seeing the need for it. After that incident, I still believed in the central doctrines of the faith despite emphatically throwing out literalism. I'm not sure what you meant by "skeptical Christianity still might be true," but either way, I passed that point a long time ago. I'm certain that Christianity is false.
But that said, I leave room for people having interpretations that are less harmful and more pro-social, kind and loving than other interpretations. I did that for some time, and I know people who still do that. It seems to me that can't happen with literalist interpretations and the doctrine of inerrancy. The God of the Bible just says and does too much awful stuff. People have the right to believe whatever doctrines they want, of course. Where I hold them to account is where they apply those doctrines in a way that harms others. Like people who demand the execution of homosexuals and have even influenced African countries to do that and promote the idea in the US. That is extreme harm and cannot be excused by their right to believe in their scripture.
Even though I think literalism is incorrect, and the religions based on that are false on many points, the only thing I think needs to be enforced are principles of equal rights, equal worth, and fair treatment, applied even-handedly. Religion can't be allowed as an excuse for abusing children, committing crimes, or taking away the rights of other groups of people.
@@Cat_Woods I think I can agree with that. I just slipped out of Christianity like last week, never seen it coming. One day I was praising God, then a few days later I kinda stopped holding a bias in favor of the faith when confronted with objections, and just listened to the arguments from the other side. The problem is that part of me will probably always have a skepticism that Christianity MIGHT still be true, while the rest of me just wants to remain being a skeptical theist until I die (because I still think God exists, just don't know who the hell he is), so that I can (possibly) finally know the truth, and have hope for an afterlife. I don't know if I'll meet Jesus on the other side, some other Higher Being, or if I'll see nothing 😥
The ONLY reason I am hanging on by a thread to Jesus is because of Isaiah chapters 40-66. The prophecies within concerning the Messiah and his work's aftermath are just undeniable (49, 52:10, 53, etc.)
@@isaiahreno Hey, congratulations on getting out of that mindset! My own experience involved two serious "relapses" (where, like you, I was afraid Christianity might be true despite having got through it). The first one was about 2 years later, the 2nd one another year after that. They got quicker, because it just became so obvious when I was just operating on fear of Hell, as opposed to following my actual conscience.
I think for people who got out through actually considering reality and facts, it gets better over time.
There are plenty of debunkings of the "prophecies," btw. I don't have the time to look it up for you, but it's been done if you search. "Debunk" as a search engine term is your friend. The Jews for Judaism people do a great job, and they know their stuff about the original Hebrew. You just have to be careful not to get sucked into their own blind spots about their own faith. Short version is that most of the prophecies weren't even prophecies. The ones that were mostly weren't about the messiah. And the ones that were about the messiah don't fit Jesus. And that's putting aside things like whether deliberately riding on a donkey to fulfill prophecy should really count as fulfilling prophecy.
For me there were parts of the religion that I didn't dismantle for decades, but they did come down eventually. What it came down to for me was that I couldn't follow and worship an unloving God who demanded blood sacrifice to pay for sin and was okay with people being eternally tortured for things like not believing. So to me, even if it were true, it just wasn't something I could put my faith in anymore. Eventually I figured out that it definitely wasn't true.
@@Cat_Woods are you still a theist?
"While this passage is discussed..." immediately was heard by my ear as "While this passage is disgust..."
I think they’re actually pronounced the same in English
Quail Plague is the worst...yet so delicious
This was really interesting! Was the word 'plague' synonomus with any kind of disease in the past?
(Your editing skills have improved. Good job:])
It sometimes seems like the people who most stridently assert that the Bible is the inerrant word of God and should be read literally, are the same people who twist the text the most when they're trying to exegete the passages where Yahweh seems less than righteous.
Perhaps Christianity should have embraced Marcion's belief that the God of the New Testament was a different God than the wrathful Hebrew God.
Thanks for another great video Dr Josh, I really do appreciate both you and Megan and enjoy learning lots of nifty new stuff from your videos...you're both awesome!
Without the OT, where the need for Jesus?
I'm so grateful for this channel, thank you for your hard work.
Keep the vids cook'n!!!! Enjoyed as always.
Raised JW, and we all read the Bible from cover to cover (several chapters each week) many times. Not only did we know all about the kinds of sex God approves us and the kinds that will earn divine retribution, as very young children if we complained the examples of Yahweh killing "murmerers" from the OT were used to shut that down. haha! I could go on and on about all the crazy, violent, disturbing shit from Genesis to Revelation we all heard about straight from The Good Book at the three 2-hour meetings each week. No Sunday school for little ones. No, from infancy *all the stories, laws, genealogies, commands, examples, all of it was taught to us.
JWs are hardcore.
I haven't heard this argument before... But man this would have made school/church more interesting!
Thanks for posting so much! I (a person with insomnia) fell asleep listening to your new slavery in the Bible live stream. (I listened to it again in the morning). It was fascinating and relaxing.
PS
Good luck with your doctorate!!!
Elegant disambly of a bad argument. That was entertaining.
Awesome video, Josh!
If I recall correctly, isn't Miriam's leprosy one of the historical arguments that the Jews were one of the groups from Heliopolis that were banished to the colony that we now know as Israel, to help prevent the spread of leprosy? Also there is a whole lot of Brimstone in parts of Judea, so burning as such, entirely possible on that trail. especially if you went across the reed sea, heading in general between Petra and Ajnadein towards the lake. anyway Leviticus, numbers and Deuteronomy are definitely parts of the old testament I find abhorrent in general, Thanks as always for your reading.
That is an interesting link
@B Havens
It always struck me as odd that only Miriam was punished and not Aaron. Like a lot of Israelites with the golden calf. Again not Aaron. As if someone read something into it after the event.
@@DutchJoan It seems Aaron was spared because he was the progenitor of the priesthood. Miryam was also the one talking shit about Moses' wife. But yeah, it probably was read into after the fact, we can't know the how and why of what happened at the time
I come because DR. Josh is hot ... I stay because I learn something.
😂😂 That *is* the basic point of it.
Some might say it was written as if they were "slow learners" but to be fair. How were they supposed to get the hang of it with the preposterous inconsistencies?
Graven images are bad....Aaron is told to make a copper snake for the people to look at to be saved.
A graven image as antivenom to save them from the snakes god sent in anger.🤕
🤔 Yeah.....good luck finding a logical way not to put god in a killing mood. 😵
*Minor correction: Moses, not Aaron was told to make the snake statue.
@@jamiee7367 😊👍 You're right he made the calf while Moses was gone. Moses made the copper serpent.
🤔I forgot which king destroyed it. It was a common fertility symbol but I think it was with two snakes instead of one. (patchwork quilt religion 😅)
It's a lot to keep up just by itself.😧 Throw in *everybody's* attempt to make it fit whatever they think it should "say"......ugh. 😝
Oh well 😅😅
@@ssdsd5394 And the two snakes on a staff is originally Greek. It is stolen from the staff of Hermès, the Caduceus.
@@choosingbegger9799 But are cherubim really “any living thing”?
@@choosingbegger9799 Yeah I guess they are “living beings”.
While watching this, I can't help but think "keep the hair, and grow a beard. The smart get sexier by 1000%" :D
I know its not relevant, but just my 2 cents :3
That is relevant .
@@KarimDeLakarim good to know I'm not alone hehe
Sceptic/atheist youtube is getting hot! and thirsty for that matter hahaha I could name names but that'd be super not relevant haha
Satyasya Satyasya I agree!!!! Super sexy
Nowt wrong with being honest and saying what an awful lot of people are *thinking* relevant, or not....😉👍
For the first time I really want to grab a bible and read it genuinely. It's so frustrating when you have to agree to nonsensical theories about the text. I find the bible an incredible piece of historical document, but cannot agree with some "popular" interpretations and didn't have the capacity to come up with a logical and pondered one till now.
Brilliant video and much needed! Thanks, Dr. Josh!
Great video. Again. Keep it up!
Is there a plague in the OT that Yahweh did not cause?
Not to *my* knowledge, but by all means: read the book 😉
@@DutchJoan I can run a search, but I thought someone on this channel might know already.
yes the plague that destroyed most if not all of Job's land. God allowed Satan to send the Plague but he wanted to do it himself.
@@junkim5853 thank you
There is something weird with the video at 0:46 or 0:47
Great video
It's often tempting to shrug off the Bible as just a collection of fantastic tales that bear no relation to actual events, but these accounts of "divine" plagues are exactly the sort of thing that have an underlying element of truth, and present a picture of an ancient people struggling with diseases they don't understand, desperately attempting to rationalise them in the only way they knew how. We see this sort of reaction hundreds of years later in Medieval Europe during the "Black Death" - and even, sadly today in certain fundie circles.
The mention of vast numbers of quail suddenly appearing is particularly interesting to me, having experienced the often spectacular arrival of birds on migration. If the weather conditions are "right", loose flocks of many thousands of all different species can arrive at coastal migration points in one big wave. Fair enough- not cubits deep, but even so, events like these are the kind of thing that will stick in the memory (and hint at local climatic conditions that would easily account for a sudden outbreak of any number of diseases like cholera etc).
Funny how God's wrath is indistinguishable from natural events.....
This was fun! Great video and summary of the book of Numbers. The explanation of chapter 31 was very enlightening.
About the theory of divine quarantine. If only someone could explain to me why the virgin girls are not infected with the plague, but the virgin boys are. That's strange, isn't it? Makes me think something else must be at play.
@@bdf2718
Still, that theory is not in accordance of what Moses is saying. They could leave the boys till the age of 9 alive. That's when girls were supposed to be mature.
What about the fact that Peor is in Moab, not Mindian? Isn't the redactor conflating the two different people? And do I recall correctly that Moses' wife is a Midianite?
Midian was a broad geographical area
@HConstantine
Yes, Zipporah was a Midianite.
@@DutchJoan
I thought she was a Doo-dah. Like the song says: Zipporah doo-dah...
It appears that two different versions of the Hearsay of Pe’or were conflate into one text. (Numbers 25:1-5 is one version, Numbers 25:6-19; 31:1-54 is another version)
since were on the Midianites and the Caananite religion in general, the evidence i have seen is the the follows of Moloch practiced cremation not live sacrifice, how ever i do know its up to debate. i would be interested to see what your take on it would be.
was the sacrifice live sacrifice or was it cremation? seeing how we have mass graves of burnt bones.
noted i have a friend who does worship the gods of Caanan, Asherah being his highest so i have bais in this topic.
ps. i don't know of any evidence of the Midian War outside of the bible...so did it even happen...
It's always the victors that write history. And it's the shamans that claim divine knowledge over everyday events. Patterns are often only perceived afterwards.
CH2517Joan I’ve read several comments and continuously keep running into yours. You keep spewing out the same meme “victors write history”. First of all, the Hebrews/Israelites overall were not really victors, and probably not by the time that this history was copied into written form. Not only that, but the Israelites recorded their devastating losses over and over throughout the Bible. Did you just apply this cliche to a thin layer of your Old Testament understanding?
Scott, Joan’s statement is essentially true. Elites, those in power, victors... these are the ones that generally are able to document things with greater frequency.
I think it makes more sense if you think of El and YHWH as different Gods. El was the God of the patriarchs, the father of creation, the loving God which is very similar to the El in Canaanite religions. YHWH was more of a desert war God, the one who is "angry and jealous". He orders genocide and is kind of over the top with punishments. These Gods were in a pantheon, had their own stories just like in other polytheistic mythologies, and eventually merged together.
One of your best videos!
Have come back to this again and would just add Yahweh also showed complete control of the punishments presented I.e. he could afflict any one individual, two, however many with no danger to others. This hypothesis seems to be basing it on some biological factor that would supersede Yahweh’s control.
The idea that an onmipotent god needs the help of humans to wipe out a group of people (or even one person) is absurd. If an all-powerful god can't do it himself, then he is not all powerful.
I have theory that these woman that seduced the Israelites were probably students under Balaam since the text said the followed his advice or these were probably just ordinary Women that were influenced by him and wanted the Israelites gone just like what Balaam tried to curse Israel but he couldn’t.
The victors write history. Think about that before theorising.
CH2517Joan and victors that write history can be true so why should we be so critical of the Israelites?
@@tylerx099
All history is painted favourably for the victors.
The thing I'm critical about is how people interpret events after the facts. And the only thing Dr Josh is critical about is that the text is properly represented.
As for being critical of the Israelites, one would be critical of them if one is to follow morality deriving from their deity.
CH2517Joan like destroying people that would destroy them?😂
This story starts in Genesis six.....
Imagine not living your life spending most of your mental energy making excuses for the awful behaviors told about in stories, of people three thousand years ago. WTH honestly.
@No You I got the perfect book for you, if you're struggling with this stuff: www.amazon.com/Crucifixion-Warrior-God-Volumes/dp/1506420753
Does Korah and Koran have the same root?
Michele Briere they don’t
Kewl video. :). I really love the book of the number. I believe it is alluding to the messiah. however Not sure if this is an argument to christianity. If you are going to argue against Christianity you should argue against the resurrection. If resurrection happened then Christianity is true regardless of what you find in OT.
Scholars aren't in the trade of arguing to or against christianity. And if you didn't get that by now I have no hope you ever will.
Thank you, Joan. We’re definitely not interested in arguing against Christianity ☺️ what we are in favor of is honestly analyzing the biblical text!
While I don't think the resurrection can be proven, let me provide a little knit pick. Even if the resurrection was proven, it's possible there's other possibilities. What if there's some form of Christianity that's correct that we don't know about ? After all, groups like the catholic church have edited Christianity, and a multitude of others in the past have. And, you have even more EXTREMELY obscure possibilities, like what if Jesus was just some magic guy, or an alien, or a time traveler. Or, what if it's the cause of a trickster god who isn't actually like the bible describes and just likes to fuck with humanity ? After all, many of the supposed divine events that happened through out history have no evidence to back them up,so,could it be that if this was true it wasn't actually from a god considering we haven't seen anything else manifest ? My point is, it's not exactly as straight forward as that, and once we start breaking physics the doors for any possibility begin to open up. But regardless, the resurrection doesn't really have evidence to support it.
@@alexalford7874 If ressurection is true then christianity is true. You have to remember that Jesus claimed to be son of God and that he came here to save us.
epic christ Again, not necessarily. Before I explain again, I still want to point out I’m not arguing against it just because I don’t believe Christianity to begin with, but because I think regardless of what it is you’re making quite the leap to claim without a doubt it’s true if he has been shown to have resurrected. It’s important to remember, we’ve seen people lie before. Again, other possibilities such as aliens, time travelers, magic men, or a trickster god or gods. My point is that once we throw physics out of the window, and history is so fuzzy, anything could have occurred. Liars do exists, regardless of their power.
Or, like I’ve said, what about an interpretation of Christianity that pretty much doesn’t exist anymore and that’s the true interpretation ? This means Christianity is true but not in any form we find today. Like I’ve also said, you have the issue of many of the events in the Bible not being confirmed and even breaking the laws of physics, and not leaving any traces despite events like that needing to leave traces, especially with something like the global flood, which would strengthen the idea that if Jesus actually was resurrected it doesn’t necessarily mean Christianity is true, or at least not in it’s present form.
Again, I’m not doing this because I don’t believe. It’s because I think your jumping the gun. You leave the door closed for other possibilities, and I’ll say it again, once Physics is suspended, the door is open for anything. Of course there’s still the problem that none of this supposed power can be produced today and hasn’t been proven to be produced s Hell, let me go ahead and make up a random scenario right now. What if he was from some other universe and had come here to fuck with us, while having far superior technology allowing for him to seem as though he died, providing an illusion. Or, he wanted to get a power trip seeing people view him as the messiah. Now of course I’m no believer in time travelers, aliens, magic men, or gods. But, the possibilities really aren’t just “Yep has to be god”.
I don't know enough of the bible to know if this is an April Fools Day joke or not?
If this is a joke, it sure is a hell of a sophisticated joke if everything Dr. Bowen is saying is the exact opposite of his actual interpretation of the passages? I'm hoping that this is indeed the case, yet doubtful. +10 points for confusing me.
No, this video is not a joke, it has been in the works for a long time and was announced several days ago.
Why don’t you just check the Bible verses?
Can't fool me, yamiyomizuki ... now I know it's satire if you're going along with it. 😉
Well yes, the verses are all correct R Wm, I wouldn't question that, it's the hyperbolic interpretation of the orator that I'm doubting the sincerity of.
yamiyomizuki I see it is not a joke, but the best jokes are planned, so the announcement is not evidence
Do you guys ever have anything positive to say about the Bible? I thought this was an unbiased, educational channel about Sumerology/Assyriology
What did we say that was negative about the Bible? We would say the same things about the story of Atrahasis if it were debated.
I'll agree with DH. All they really did was state facts about the Bible, with very little personal commentary. What do you find biased?
@@danielj.nickolas It'd be nice to hear positive facts. Many of my friends think this is an Atheist channel.
@@carlosgalvez7518 I don't necessarily disagree. However the time periods DH covers are mostly time periods that span through the Old Testament, which is why they cover it; the Old Testament simply has several more events that will trouble modern readers because of the historical and culture differences of that time contrasted to our time. I actually love the Old Testament books, but I still recognize the amount of controversial material in them.
All that to say, I don't think DH needs to do a video highlighting the positive aspects of the Bible, because it was never their intention to make a video about the negative aspects.
What kinds of things would you like us to cover? We’re not deliberately being negative, just attempting to correct some poor arguments. I’m very open to suggestions for video topics ☺️
I've heard the bible referred to as great literature. Maybe if you are into revenge porn.
I read a lot. The bible is the worst piece of literature I've ever encountered. Besides the disgusting atrocities, it's nothing short of an exercise in mind numbing redundancy and internal contradiction. Follow the bible's teaching and you'll be arrested in every single country on this planet.
@@roofuscat2 Thanks for affirming you're not cultured enough to appreciate it
HistoryNET, so help me, if you don’t stop insulting our viewers I will block you.
Megan
@@DigitalHammurabi The guys at Biblical History Skeptics and Amateur Exegete express similar sentiments in response to comments like that.
But it's ok when your viewers say mean-spirited things about the bible and your God?
I just find it strange you allow that but not when l respond to such ignorant comments.
Luka
@@paradisecityX0 I have absolutely no problem with people being 'mean-spirited' about the Bible or the Biblical god. It doesn't bother me in the slightest, and many time I agree with them.
If, however, they attack you personally, please do let me know and I'll be happy to extend the same warning to them as I have to you.
I appreciate this presentation but I can’t handle listening to such misogyny as there is in the old testament.
We COMPLETELY understand.
@Adrianna Lockhart You wanna know real misogyny, look at ancient Persia, Greece, China, Rome, Arabia, Japan, etc.
@HistoryNET:
You misspelled Ancient Hebrew: “etc”?
@@bobbydobalina Cute
@@paradisecityX0 I'd say "Murder the adult women but keep the virgin girls as your sex slaves", "Stone a raped woman who doesn't scream loudly enough", putting a real-money price on a girl's sexuality without her input, and giving a man the right to accuse her of adultery without evidence is pretty fucking misogynistic.
That was a commanding performance of numbers,you wasted your time at collage's on that bible stuff,you should have been a math professor.
No waste at all. I've learnt more from Dr Josh than I did in 42 years in church.
@@DutchJoan that's what i would call a miracle.Maybe use the evidence of miracles against your old church buddies.
@@KarimDeLakarim
Nah, no miracle. Just started to use a certain part of my brain a little late in life. You know, the part I compartmentalized for misplaced trust.
Cool man.
Wow , where satan when ya need him to take the heat !?
Dr. Josh, is the story for justifying taking female wives from other people groups?
As a Christian i take a simpler approach then it being a quarrantine.... politicians calked for war and said God told them to to justify it. But then im not a literalist.
@Doctor Drywell God inspired a book thousands of years ago. Humans have had a long time to edit, change and out right delete parts they didn't like. Which doesn't even address the idea they simply stuck their own words in to begin with.
@Doctor Drywell None then again what evidence do I have God inspired any of it? You are familiar with the concept of faith right?
@Doctor Drywell And again I'm a Christian. The literal definition of that is a follower of Jesus Christ. Jesus said the highest laws were to love God and to love each other. Owning people as property is directly contradictory to loving each other so yeah if the man I believe was God says something that contradicts what got written in the OT I'll take the word of Jesus.
@Doctor Drywell Didnt claim faith was a good reason. As for why id point you at my channel but 1 it wont convince you and 2 why spoil your obvious pleasure about being a holier thsn thou judgemental prick?
You have been very clear you would rather PREACH at me then talk and i have no patience for sermons. So i wont waste my time reading this. Go start your own church ill save my time for peoole willing to talk reasonably.
Oof! You gotta be careful when a great wind goes out from the Lord...
{:-:-:}
This all sounds like morality mythology
The bible is a fun book, at times.
And yes, it sounds that way.
Ah yes, the oath of Phineas.
Boer religion idealizes this.
#biblepromotesracism
This message came in the middle of the night last night (March 31, 2019) while I was drifting in and out of sleep. It was almost like I was having a dream that I was drifting in and out of. Here's the message:
Most often the way a person picks up a religious spirit is that he or she becomes enthralled by hearing a religious spirit speaking through a teacher or preacher, and they open their heart to receive what is being said, which gives rights to the kingdom of darkness to appoint a religious spirit to them to control them spiritually. The spirit the kingdom of darkness overlords appoint to control the person is usually the same genre of religious spirit who is operating through the teacher or preacher, but who is subservient to the religious spirit operating through the teacher or preacher, and is supportive of him, and is assigned the responsibility to protect him from being challenged (which is why whenever a religious spirit operating through a teacher or a preacher is challenged the first opposition to the challenge comes from religious spirits manifesting through some of the preacher's loyal followers).
The thing the Lord emphasized to me in the dream (and reemphasized about an hour after I woke up and before I sat down to write this) was that it is the opening of the heart to the religious spirit speaking through the teacher or preacher that gives rights to the kingdom of darkness to lade the person with a religious spirit to control them, because the opening of the heart to the voice of the religious spirit violates spiritual law, i.e. Matt. 4:10 which says:
"Get thee hence Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.",
so that what it amounts to is spiritual treason against the Lord and against the kingdom of God, and the spiritual treason is the one thing that gives the kingdom of darkness rights to lade the traitor with a religious spirit.
In Old Testament times under the dispensation of law, spiritual treason usually meant certain death (sometimes quickly, but usually not). But since the Lord died for our sins we are now under the dispensation of grace, and the Lord no longer punishes us for our sins (e.g. he said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"). However, he does allow the negative consequences for sins, deception, and stupidity, to play out (in order to teach the person a lesson). Unfortunately, many Christians never learn it, and continue on running after false teachers and and false prophets, and lusting to belong to cults (most so-called 'churches' are actually cults, but that's another subject).
That's pretty much all that came in the dream I had last night. But I think it would be worthwhile for me to mention that the major difference between a religious spirit manifesting through someone and the Holy Spirit speaking through them is that the religious spirits are almost always very verbose, busy, cocksure, and enthusiastic, whereas the Holy Spirit is almost always cool, calm, and collected (and humble), and there is almost always a sweetness about it. The following are four verses of scripture that reveal the truth of this, which are:
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and self-control: against such there is no law." (Galatians 5:22-23).
And:
" For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy." (James 3:16-17).
There is hardly ever anything gentle or peaceful coming out of the mouths of preachers who are being used as mouthpieces by religious spirits, although sometimes there are exceptions to that. The religious spirits are highly intelligent and their subterfuge can be very difficult to discern (sometimes their mimicry of the Holy Spirit is so convincing that it almost takes the gift of the word of knowledge to know the difference).
I think I should also point out that the religious spirits are the highest echelon of the soldier/warrior demons in the kingdom of darkness hierarchy, who are groomed by the fallen angels to know how to mimic the Holy Spirit (in regard to that, the Holy Spirit speaking through the Apostle Paul referred to the fallen angels as 'principalities' in Ephesians 6:12, King James Version. In that verse he also inferred that the principalities run the world system, which explains why the world is so messed up).
As I said, the religious spirits are highly intelligent and their subterfuge can be very difficult to discern, so that I feel I cannot overemphasize the fact that they are groomed by the kingdom of darkness overlords to know how to mimic the Holy Spirit (as they manifest through the false teachers and false prophets), so that undiscerning Christians hear their voices and are duped by the religious spirits controlling them to think that what they are hearing is the Holy Spirit.
I think that I should point out also that the kingdom of darkness demons focus nearly 90% of their energy into the realm of religion because they know that religion is their most efficient tool for controlling the masses, and for thwarting the kingdom of God (which is their primary agenda and reason for being). Of the remaining 10% of their energy, they focus some of it into the realm of finance, some of it into the realm of politics, and some into the realm of science, etc. (finance, politics, and science are a lot of people's religion).
Regarding the false prophets, there are dozens of people posting videos on CZcams claiming to be prophets (hundreds is probably more like it) who haven't the first clue as to what prophetic ministry is all about, and most Christians have never seen or heard a true Christian prophet.
I'm 72 years old now and I've been a Christian for 48 years, during which time the Lord led me to several Christian prophetic circles, plus he appointed an older Christian prophet to mentor me for nearly twenty years (he passed on in 2014), so I became somewhat familiar with prophetic ministry, and my experience with hearing Christian prophets is that they are usually low-key, and usually don't have a lot to say (and they don't like being in the limelight). Their messages are usually short, concise (i.e. to the point), and powerful, as opposed to the false prophets who run their mouths into absurdity and oblivion with messages that are as powerless as can be, and who love the praises of men.
The religious spirits driving them love to have them reciting the elementary principles of Christianity (which the Holy Spirit said not to be doing in Hebrews 6:1-3) and to make it sound profound. Plus they work to use them to preempt the coming outpouring of the Holy Spirit by acclimating Christians to a very watered down Christianity so that when the outpouring comes they won't be able to relate to it and will be afraid of it. The kingdom of darkness religious spirits love to use them to discredit Christianity by making a parody of prophetic ministry, and undiscerning Christians are flocking to them in droves (per 2 Timothy 4:3-4). It's all very sad.
Damnit, thanks for wasting my time.
I dont even know why I read this all.
God forbid my curiosity in the ramblings of madmen now ima go back to reading mein kampf .
@@johnkeep5877 ~ You're welcome. :O)
If your time is all that precious (as you infer), then what are you doing hanging out on CZcams in the first place?
@@jimyost2585 CZcams has tons of channels that allow me to work while learning is why id use my time on youtube I guess... Also might want to think if that wierd vision is justified rationally seems a bit off both scriptually and logically and btw im now on page 48 of mein kampf, have a good one buddy.
@@johnkeep5877 ~ Dear John, you sound quite confused.
@@jimyost2585 No? I perfectly understand you had a vision and interpretation of said vision wrote it down and then for some reason that I cant quite figure out decided to put it on Digital Hammurabis comment section , then when I commented that hey I read this interesting stuff sounds loony though you messaged me back and I replied to your message and here we are...
Are there any original stories in the bible or are they all plagiarized?
I think the one where the woman puts a tent peg through a guy's skull is original...
Real academics and scholars don't use the term "plagiarize". Borrowing, however, is what the Hebrews did, mostly for polemical purposes against their pagan contemporaries.
Polemics among friends, sounds kinky. Them scholars, always obfuscating, no?
Real academics also don’t use the term ‘pagan’, but given that it’s common terminology for non-specialists, I won’t hold it against you.
Megan
@@qzh00k Who said they were friends? They borrowed pagan ideas and made them good again. More theologically-sound interpretations of the myths their audiences would be familiar with
"Shittim" lol. I know... I know.... I need to grow up. But I also lol when people talk about there "duties" 😜 A great video left a like. I always thought it was strange that God judged nations instead of individual people. I mean if there's a problem I will cut it off at the root! Not take off a branch or two. Sounds like crowd phycology to me. Ever look into crowd psychology? It's creepy and scary.
Let's do it this way. Prove YHWH exists at all. Prove that story actually happened using outside sources and archeology, prove any of it happened in real life, THEN we can care about the details. tic toc. Otherwise we are discussing if Shrek really had bad breath.
For whom is this comment? The two people who run DH, who do not adhere to fundamentalism?
@@DigitalHammurabi it's for anyone who reads it.