X-Men Origins: JEAN GREY - The Dark Phoenix Saga
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- History of the Marvel Universe No. 190
Jean Grey: The Phoenix Saga
Sources:
The origin and purpose of the Phoenix Force was referenced in
‣ Fantastic Four 286 (1986)
‣ Classic X-Men 008 (1987)
‣ Classic X-Men 043 (1990)
‣ Excalibur 052 (1992)
‣ History of the Marvel Universe 001 (2019)
The death and rebirth of the previous multiverse was supposedly chronicled in
‣ Adventures of the X-Men 012 (1997)
Firehairs origin was depicted in
‣ Avengers 039 (2020)
The Phoenix touched Jean's mind in
‣ X-Men: The Hidden Years 009 (2000)
The M'Kraan Crystal first appeared in
‣ X-Men 107 (1977)
The Phoenix impersonated Grey in
‣ X-Men 101-102 (1976)
‣ X-Men 105 (1977)
‣ X-Men 107-108 (1977)
‣ X-Men 112 (1978)
‣ X-Men 117-118 (1978)
‣ Classic X-Men 024 (1988)
‣ X-Men 119 (1979)
‣ X-Men 122 (1979)
‣ X-Men 125-138 (1979-1980)
Cyclops suspected that Jean was still the Phoenix in
‣ X-Factor 018 (1987)
Phoenix experienced the afterlife in
‣ Classic X-Men 043 (1990)
The Phoenix's first notice of Rachel Summers was shown in
‣ Excalibur 052 (1992)
Rachel Summers became the Phoenix in
‣ Uncanny X-Men 199 (1985)
Grey was shown rejecting the Phoenix's memories in
‣ X-Factor 038 (1989)
Madeline Pryor first appeared in
‣ Uncanny X-Men 169 (1983)
and married Cyclops in
‣ Uncanny X-Men 175 (1983)
Cable was born in
‣ Uncanny X-Men 200-201 (1986)
and first appeared as Cable in
‣ New Mutants 086-087 (1990)
The real Jean Grey retuned in
‣ Avengers 263 (1986)
‣ Fantastic Four 286 (1986)
‣ X-Factor 001 (1986)
Madelyne Pryor became the Goblin Queen in
‣ Uncanny X-Men 240-241 (1989)
Jean and Scott married in
‣ X-Men 030 (1994)
They raised Nathan in the future in
‣ The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix 001-004 (1994)
Sara Grey was killed in
‣ X-Men 036 (1994)
Jean manifested the Phoenix's powers in
‣ New X-Men 128 (2002)
Jean discovered Scott and Emma's psychic affair in
‣ New X-Men 138-139 (2003)
Jean saved Emma's life in
‣ New X-Men 141 (2003)
Jean's next two deaths were depicted in
‣ New X-Men 146-150 (2003-2004)
And there were many more deaths and resurrections in
‣ X-Men: Phoenix Endsong 001-005 (2005)
Jean and the Phoenix finally parted ways in
‣ Phoenix Resurrection 001-005 (2018)
Additional information from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe.
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Claremonts run on the DARK PHEONIX SAGA is some of the best storytelling to ever come out of marvel.
And the original comics are very expensive these days
the phoenix/dark phoenix saga has to be probably the best classic x-men storyline written! i love jean grey and her relationship with the phoenix force is so unique.
Man, Jean Grey has been resurrected more times than Wonder Man has.
She definitely dies more times than Kenny on South Park.
Well, yeah. She is The Phoenix in a mortal form so death and rebirth is part of her niche.
More times than Daniel Jackson
Man, this era of X-men(and related titles)was so much more competently written along with anatomically correct illustration.
Edit: I meant the early Claremont era of X-men stories.
At the time people was serious about comics not the crap of today
The Dark Phoenix Saga was a big event. 😀👍
Too big, apparently, for as a single movie adaptation. X3: The Last Stand couldn't and neither could a second attempt later in Dark Phoenix. Probably should be a 2-parter like Infinity War and Endgame.
I have a request.
What about a video explaining the ages of the Fantastic Four children?
Because it seems to me that Valeria ages faster than Franklin... it's kind of confusing.
Love the channel, keep up the good work, congrats from Brazil!!!
Thank you for a very concise summary of her story,. However, I was never a fan of the multiple retcons of her original Phoenix Saga story.
There were so many other characters who could continue the Phoenix legacy like Rachel Grey-Summers or even Hope Summers. Bringing Jean back just to kill her off again and again was a nonsense.
Love my Jean Grey 🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽
What an amazing thorough review.. I’m a huge X-men fan from way back but you definitely taught me a lot ! Keep ‘em coming !!!
PS: suggestion : maybe do a summary on the X-men Australian team ! They were my favorite !!
Yeah, the Outback saga (post Fall of the Mutants) was by far the best X-Man era.
@@llydwll lol ok if you think so but I'm also guessing that you're younger than a collector from the 70' and 80s which are the Hey days of the X-Men. Claremont and John were the Team Supreme of the era.
DC reaction to that POPULARITY was the creation of The TITANS and using George Perez and superb writing. Top talent in an effort to compete.
Now the outback stories were also damn good and Sylvestei as the artist as top of my monthly reads so I understand your comment but nay Chris and John were doing the most wayyy before.
10:27 "Anyway"
I admit to chuckling out loud at that moment MM, the delivery was perfect. I(as well as many others)appreciate all of the work you out into these vids.
I hear this idea about Cyclops leaving Madelyne Pryor so often it makes me think I may be crazy. Other people who read the first few X-factor issues, I'm not remembering this wrong am I?
The way I remember it is that after Scott tests his ability to lead knowing he has a son he'd be leaving behind if he died he knew he wouldn't be able to do his job normally and made a big stink of it so no one would miss him or compare Storms leadership to his when he's gone. After that he lived on an island (or in the woods. Somewhere he and Madelyne could have a romantic cabin and avoid mutant trouble) but he couldn't ignore how bad things were getting for mutants back home and would secretly listen to the radio since Madelyne got really angry when anything mutant related came up. I remember thinking she had done a 180 on her personality and it might have had something to do with Sinisters programming.
When he got the call that Jean was alive and had memory problems he begged Madelyne to let him go see her and she started to freak out, saying he was going to leave her for Jean. I even remember him suggesting she and the baby come with him so they can go on a romantic New York date, but that could be faulty memory. He was honest about his lingering feelings for Jean but tried to reassure Madelyne that he loved her and their son and wouldn't do anything to hurt them regardless of his history with Jean and he only wanted to help a friend who had helped him. She refused to go with him and said if he isn't back by a time limit she would take their son and run away where eh would never see them again.
When he called Madelyne from the hospital to tell her he would be coming home soon she had left him a message on their answering machine saying not to come back, she's already taken their son and never to try and find them. With his life now throughly in shambles his oldest friends Angel, Iceman and Beast who had all found it difficult to become heroes on their own/with new teams without his leadership due to various reasons, decided to take advantage of him and draw them into a new team. (this is really scummy but very in character for them up to this point. OG X-Men didn't really focus on being good people)
I haven't read much past that since I wanted to saver X-factor after getting to a point in the main line X-Men run but dropped it before getting there since I wasn't having fun with that title and wouldn't get back into X-Men until I started reading New Mutants. Because of that I don't know if there are any retcons or reveals past this put what i did read in a new light.
I always read Madelyne as a superhero take on abusive relationships. The kind where a partner gets super possessive and tries to isolate the person they're supposed to love and support from their support groups and get really angry when they even talk to other people. My brothers ex-wife was like that and I see a lot of her in Madelyne. The paranoia, emotional manipulation and isolation line up really well.
Of course I could be remembering things wrong, Cyclops is my favourite X-Man, and I tend to think of ways to solve a problem as I read it so some of that may have gotten mixed up in my memory. But I didn't read it all that long ago, the internet just kind fo hates Cyclops and tends to oversimplify what happens to him especially if it makes other characters look better, he has a really bad non-comic reputation because of how badly he's been adapted to other media.
Issue numbers appreciated if I am going crazy.
Nope you got much of that right.
@@wagnercolbert737 Awesome. I'm not crazy.😌
Yo Phoenix, Rachel is right there. That pair up worked extremely well.
Heck if I recall correctly Rachel's split from the Phoenix happened off panel.
This great dark phoenix & phoenix force & jean grey video. Keep more great videos. This video get two ✌ thumbs up 😊😊😊❤❤❤❤👍👍👍. I enjoy and joy of jean grey and phoenix forces. Jean grey and phoenix force and cyclope and Emma frost and lot other characters are my favorite characters. Everyone have great night and weekend and next week and full happiness 😊.
'THIS VIDEO IS EXCELSIOR' ..
Will be falling asleep to this later. Thanks man. Love your content
Can we get a review of the Muir Island saga? It doesn’t get the proper framing it deserves and why it’s important to the 90’s X-Men
No fair. Jean Grey got 2 videos and RED NORVELL still hasn't gotten 1 yet.
That being said this was a wonderful look at the continuing history of Jean. You could easily do many more videos based off of the history of Jean Grey and the Phoenix Force. But if you were to do that this would become a Jean Grey only channel.
I'm still asking for that RED NORVELL video to complete the trilogy of humans who have held the power of Thor.. Jane Foster, Eric Masterson and RED NORVELL.
As always MAKE MINE THE MERRY MARVELITE!!!!
All of these "stories for another day" would make more great videos! (Hint, hint) 😁😏
Super incredible Great and super amazing and super incredible extraordinary and super incredible magnificent video 😊❤. I enjoy video. Jean grey and phoenix force And lot other character are my favorite characters.
I have a question. Just how many characters/groups do you plan on covering?
As many as I can.
@@MerryMarvelite Thank you.
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@@MerryMarvelite yes keep it up with the x men
@@MerryMarvelite can u do emma frost she is literally the zuko of the xmen and the better character
I like the original cosmic rays giving Jean powers and that power slowly corrupting and consuming her version
her storyline very similar to Donna Troy in DC
What do you think is the best thing about Jean Grey as the Phoenix in the Comics? Which one of her powers and abilities do you think is the best?
Hey buddy, I love the channel. Are you planning on doing a video on havoc? I'd love to see one and you'd be the guy to do a really good job with it. Keep doing what you do. Love the channel!
The Dark Phoenix Saga on the first X-Men animated series got me interested in reading the storyline in a trade paperback. I prefer the comics, but the animated adaptation was pretty faithful, minus some changes for TV.
Ty for doing the Origins videos. Would you ever consider doing one for Jubilee? She’s an awesome character and I feel doesn’t get a lot of love, ty again!
Thanks!
thank you
Uncanny X-men…end…siege perilous..?
The Phoenix goddess
The way you presented it makes the convoluted bullsh*t actually make sense
I like that one joke where someone says she’s dead but she’ll be back soon in a nonchalant manner.
Oh I hope you're doing more Jean Gray stuff now you can't just stop with early life and Jean grass Phoenix we need green Jean Gray throughout all of this time the X Factor time and all that good stuff so I hope we'll see some more of that and it would have been nice of you to cover the war song and Phoenix Resurrection since that is part of the Jean Gray Phoenix then too
Excellent narration voice
“I get all my Mervell comics from Terget”
I hope you go into kang story soon
This was very well done. And it just reminded why I grew to hate Jean Grey! She's like a cross town bus. If you missed her, just wait half an hour she will be back!
🔥
Do a video on the legion of monsters and the Midnight Sons
Watching this I couldn’t help thinking of the amazing possibilities that could have ensued if Dave Cockrum had been able to continue the art on the Phoenix saga he began with Chris Claremont. As good as the story was, the inferior art of the artist that followed him was truly a let down as to what could have been.
can you do the origin on the spiderman villain the white rabbit or frogman
So wait, The Phoenix came back, tried to return the piece of Jean's psyche it has borrowed, she rejected it, went to Madeline Pryor, but the real Jean ALSO began to manifest The Phoenix? I am SO confused.
Dark…and convoluted 😵💫
~_~
When was marvel not these things😂
That was her sister and her best friend....
Since you did the History of the Mandarin and Fin_Fang_Foom, can you do history of Ultimo as well as the Shang-Chi villain known as the Death_Dealer?
Jean Grey is so much bigger than the Phoenix but for some reason they keep making them intertwine. If Jean Grey is supposed to be an omega level mutant, why don't they just expand on that????
Can you do origin of the Grim Reaper, Molecule Man, Sentry, Mr Immortal, Captain Universe, Dreadknight, Deathcry, Blizzard, Starhawk, Flerken, Whirlwind, Chemistro, Whiplash, Ronan the Accuser, Ego the Living Planet, the Living Tribunal and Super_Skrull along with Avenger-X and the Protector?
Do Beast
Love Jean tow my thered female marvel favorite
Can you do history of the characters mentioned in this video?
Jeez from a great story to a mess.
Don’t forget the goblin force the entity that rivals the Phoenix used by Madeline Pryor
That’s only in one universe, there is no history for the Goblin Force outside of Earth 1298 where as the Phoenix is omniversal
How long till you finish doing White Tiger: legacy of the Tiger by doing the history of Ava Ayala White Tiger can you do the history of Intelligencia in honour of the She-Hulk Disney Plus show?
can you make selene next please? thank you!
Not being rude but the jewel is pronounced ("M"-"KRON")
Can you do history of the Beyonder, Crossfire, Living Laser, Iron Monger, Titanium Man, Crimson Dynamo, Whiplash, Ultimo, Darkhawk, Union Jack, Annihilus, the Badoon and the Broods?
Can you do history of the U-Foes, the Annihilators, the Invaders, the Squadron Supreme, Doom Maidens, the Midnight_Sons, Young Avengers, Dark Avengers, Masters of Evil, the Thunderbolts and the Champions?
Geez man what a mess!
This is where shit starts to get...involved.
Emma frost NEXT
Can you make one for White Queen to Emma Frost
Can we hear about daredevil
Cool story I like story of Jean Gray, I have Crush on Jean Gray she beautiful I like is green eyes,I want have girlfriend with Green eyes
Apart from Jean Grey, Who do you think is the best host of the Phoenix Force? Can you do history of the Phoenix Five?
What do you think is the best thing about the Phoenix Force?
No one, i think. Jean is the only one who is in psychic harmony with it. She can extract it from another host and call upon it from any universe. While Phoenix is a primordial force, Jean is its physical manifestation making it whole.
Who do you think is better between Jean Grey and her clone Madeline Pryor?
Are you going to do history of the remaining founding members of the X-Men like Professor X, Hank McCoy Beast, Angel/Archangel and Iceman?
Jean but that’s because outside of the build up to and conclusion of Inferno Madelyne has been misused in comics with the best use since inferno being Mutant X
So basically without the phoenix NOTHING would have ever started to exist/being reborn.
Mind block
3:16 Whaa?..... Macrran crystal??? Em-Kronn is how it's pronounced.
I went with the same pronunciation that Marvel Ultimate Alliance used.
What would happen if we saw the M'Kraan Crystal bringing the Phoenix Force in the MCU?
hearing this story told with all the retcons included makes me realise that the idea that Jean and Phoenix were two separate entities doesn't actually make sense. Claremont wrote the story about Jean, not some cosmic clone. That's why it's so good.
Since Dark Phoenix, plenty of comic characters have done some really heinous acts to be later redeemed. i quite like having Jean trying to be good while having done something unforgivable.
You first said star system and then said solar system... our system is called the solar system so star system is for other systems not solar.
The way you say M’chran may be correct, but in X-Men TAS it’s pronounced Emcron.
My mind is stuck on the way it was said in Marvel: Ultimate Alliance.
MCU Wanda fans are punching air right now..
Sorry but this Jean clonage wasn’t good it’s a very poor writing that should never happened they must do that to close some plot hole. That’s stupid there wasn’t any need to clone Jean grey
I turned this mess off as soon as you pronounced the crystals name wrong.....gotta get rid of these fake fans🤦🏾♂️
Nah... Dude is legit having plumbed the depths of Marvel history. Bro is Canadian and boy it shows. He has a bit of an accent, Canadian wise.
No what we gotta get rid of is the snap judgement of immature gatekeepers.
Can you do origin of the Brood, the Gladiator, Hyperion, Blue_Marvel, Alistair Smythe the Ultimate Spider Slayer, Stingray, Quasar, Squirrel_Girl, Ultimus, Kly'bn, Kang the Conqueror, Annihilus and Tryco Slatterus the Champion of the Universe?