Macintosh System 1 (1984) - Demo and Comparison

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    The Macintosh System looked very different in 1984. Much of what we see today in macOS can be rooted back to this version of the system software. Today, Ken demos the legacy system, talks about some Apple history, and makes some fun comparisons to today's macOS.
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Komentáře • 150

  • @ComputerClan
    @ComputerClan  Před 7 lety +21

    Let's time travel! (Flux Capacitor not included). We have some fun stuff to look at with some Apple and Macintosh history. Feel free to subscribe to stay in touch, and click that *Bell* button beneath the video to be notified when we make a new upload.

    • @ComputerClan
      @ComputerClan  Před 7 lety

      Camden Hardwick please refer me to a time code.

    • @ComputerClan
      @ComputerClan  Před 7 lety

      A time code of where I said what you said I said.

    • @sillyaioli
      @sillyaioli Před 4 lety

      ID=12 Unimplemented Core Routine
      A programmer might set breakpoints in parts of a program to inspect for errors. This requires using a debugger. If a debugger isn't installed when a breakpoint occurs, you see this error code.

    • @UmarBlox5124
      @UmarBlox5124 Před 2 lety

      Can you please leave a link to the other software for macintosh system 1?

  • @duffman7674
    @duffman7674 Před 3 lety +28

    Fun fact: The TI MSP430 microcontroller in the MagSafe charging brick (the one for Macs), is roughly as powerful as the original Macintosh.

  • @RalphBromleyMadmanRB
    @RalphBromleyMadmanRB Před 7 lety +60

    it should be noted though that even though it was impressive for its time Apple did not invent the GUI, that honor goes to xerox

    • @verl0000
      @verl0000 Před 6 lety +1

      Ralph Bromley the company that makes paper?

    • @None17555
      @None17555 Před 5 lety +16

      @@verl0000 The one that copies paper, yes.

    • @unusedaccount9130
      @unusedaccount9130 Před 5 lety +3

      Xerox didn't want to sell it.

    • @fargeeks
      @fargeeks Před 4 lety +9

      Just like apple did not invent the smartphone or the fingerprint scanner

    • @tomservo5007
      @tomservo5007 Před 3 lety +11

      @@None17555 xerox also invented the laser printer, ethernet, and object oriented programming.

  • @SparkschuItai
    @SparkschuItai Před 4 lety +14

    36 years later, and we’re STILL loving this. Lmao.

  • @ArizonaJewell
    @ArizonaJewell Před 3 lety +5

    Not gonna lie man, even though 3D Edit on system 1 is hilariously slow compared to modern day blender and the like, I can imagine that it must’ve absolutely blown people away back in the 80s. I can see why the original Macintosh achieved legendary status and had a record breakingly long round of applause. So cool to see features in system 1 that have persisted today.

  • @TheOPtmal
    @TheOPtmal Před 4 lety +16

    "NTFS and HFS+"
    **angry in MINIX FS, ext, ext2, ext3, ext4, btrfs, zfs**

  • @AlessandroScaltritti
    @AlessandroScaltritti Před 10 měsíci +1

    Beautiful, System 1 to 7 are still today beautiful IMO

  • @salsuginusrex5196
    @salsuginusrex5196 Před 2 lety +2

    2:48 Actually, the Motorola 68k weighed in at just UNDER 8 MHz...
    7.997 MHz, according to the manual that came with my Macintosh SE (1989).

  • @Styleforces
    @Styleforces Před 3 lety +3

    One year later there was Windows 1. Its incredible what apple did in 1984.

    • @HarveyHirdHarmonics
      @HarveyHirdHarmonics Před 3 lety +3

      One year later there also was the first AmigaOS with preemptive multitasking, a hierarchical file system, etc. Apple wasn't able to catch up with the AmigaOS for a pretty long time.

  • @PearComputingDevices
    @PearComputingDevices Před 5 lety +1

    Back in 1997 I had ordered a Power Mac 7600. Keep in mind at this time the Mac OS was 7.5.1 and I bought it to run BeOS not Mac OS, but still had to have Mac OS because of the boot loader. I bought it with a 160 mhz 604e, 32 mb of ram and a 4.3 gb SCSI hard drive, top of the line at the time. I quickly upgraded the os to Mac OS 7.6.1 and eventally to 8.0 then all the way up to 10.2 after I added 256 mb ram and a G3 400 accelerator. I finally "replaced" it with a G4 733 DI in 2001, but I still own that Mac. I use it to muck around 7.6.1 and BeOS 5.0. Good times!

  • @RazgrizAlphaONE
    @RazgrizAlphaONE Před 7 lety +2

    Pencil test wasn't first. There were many, many earlier, research efforts that would predate it.

    • @ComputerClan
      @ComputerClan  Před 7 lety

      +SCAnimation such as??? And by 'research efforts', do you mean a fully finished, published animation that debuted in a festival? That's what Pencil Test was.

  • @fynnkarn-wadden234
    @fynnkarn-wadden234 Před 7 lety +5

    There is An Add-on For System 7 that allows live window dragging

    • @VincentVictini
      @VincentVictini Před 7 lety

      yep

    • @MaxOakland
      @MaxOakland Před 3 lety +2

      Power windows is one! I tried to find one that allowed live window resizing but it doesn’t seem like it ever existed. So resizing windows would always be a wire frame

  • @alphen95
    @alphen95 Před 4 lety +3

    10:04 System ME( Mistake Edition)

  • @Kenbomp
    @Kenbomp Před 2 lety +1

    Should mention that mac gui was largely influenced by Smalltalk programming system.

  • @AndyAgus1
    @AndyAgus1 Před 6 lety +1

    Please do more of these videos!

  • @erickdavid4257
    @erickdavid4257 Před 7 lety +6

    I would appreciate you don't break the original aspect ratio in videos like this.

  • @SilentdragonDe
    @SilentdragonDe Před 6 lety +1

    I remember the Scrapbook! It must have still been around in Mac OS 8.6 or maybe even 9 since those were the first MacOS versions I remember using.

  • @mglmouser
    @mglmouser Před 6 lety

    Gosh. Raskin's Mac project was a replacement for the Apple II. It was actually slated to be a text-based system just like the Apple II.
    When the Lisa project failed, Steve took over the Mac, pushed Raskin out, and brought the Lisa software (in a new form) to what we now know is the Mac.
    I have archive documents of the Lisa development (I'm not special: those are available on the web if you search for them). In a document titled "Lisa MRD/PRD amendments" is a very interesting tidbit that shows how the Lisa development spiralled out of control:
    "
    6. DESIGN APPLICATIONS TO WORK WITH A STANDARD 128KB LISA
    All applications developed by Apple will work with the minimum
    hardware configuration of 128K bytes of RAM and two minifloppy disk drives. Additional RAJI memory will not be required except for increased performance. Additional mass storage will not be required except for handling larger data files (or for some networking applications involving access ,to a file server)."
    Later, questions regarding this goal is written out:
    "I.' It is too early to tell Whether or not it will be possible to provide the level of integration and software sophistication desired on a 128K LISA. Future MRDs and performance analyses will resolve this issue."
    The Lisa shipped with 1Meg of RAM because they couldn't make it work with 128K.
    They rewrote the software, for the repurposed Mac, to exclude many Lisa functionality: cooperative Multitasking and Stationaries, which we've only seen in later Mac system software (circa v7.5).
    I'm in the process of editing a Lisa restoration. Here's a raw footage I'll be using for that video, where we see the I/O board + CPY craddle. Those two smaller cards in there, are the memory boards they had to add:
    czcams.com/video/IKihzFod2dM/video.html

  • @krutikquiran8184
    @krutikquiran8184 Před 7 lety

    I would love it if you made this a series, once a week visit each Mac OS system

    • @ComputerClan
      @ComputerClan  Před 7 lety

      I'm certain you'll be seeing a lot more in regards to Macintosh software and Apple hardware, in the not-too-distant future.

    • @TimurTripp2
      @TimurTripp2 Před 7 lety

      Would like him to revisit the Mac OS 9 project and iMovie 1. I have installed 9.0.4 and iMovie 1 on my Y2K Power Mac G4, but unfortunately don't have a FireWire camcorder to try it with.

  • @augustinchenault9981
    @augustinchenault9981 Před 7 lety +15

    "Let me just throw a boot disk in here, into my emulator"

    • @jimjimx5418
      @jimjimx5418 Před 3 lety

      Come on!!! At least use the original OS on a REAL Macintosh!!!!!!!!!!

  • @askhowiknow5527
    @askhowiknow5527 Před 7 lety +2

    "In the not too distant future"
    Next-Sunday A.D.
    There lived...

  • @WedgeBob
    @WedgeBob Před 7 lety

    The first time I ever touched a Macintosh anything was during my high school years. Most of my classes before that were Apple IIes, and I think my 6th grade teacher even had an Apple IIgs, which was kind of special. However, at home, as expected, I was an MS-DOS and Windows 3.x and eventually Win9x type of user...boy, the differences between Mac OS and DOS/Win were simply significant...but certainly a wake-up call.

  • @stutavagrippa8690
    @stutavagrippa8690 Před 7 lety +2

    I like how the 3D is slower, it looks cool

    • @TimurTripp2
      @TimurTripp2 Před 7 lety +2

      Reminds me of watching graphics written in BASIC draw on an Apple II Plus. Kind of adds to the charm.

  • @Nabeelco
    @Nabeelco Před 4 lety +1

    I like the reference to Jef Raskin, most people miss that, and that Steve Jobs wasn't actually fired. He left.
    Facts many people miss report, and it tells me you know your stuff. I would add though, Jef Raskin's ideas were kinda crazy and while some of his spirit remained in the Macintosh, it was FAR from what Jef Raskin wanted.

  • @jayrock4ya
    @jayrock4ya Před 5 lety +1

    Man this flat gui would look sick in linux,

  • @Johnathan_Waters
    @Johnathan_Waters Před 4 lety

    Is this on an actual vintage Mac? It's pretty amazing to see sys 1.1, I didn't even know it existed!

  • @ecdhe
    @ecdhe Před 6 lety +1

    The Mac quickly had some copycat windowing systems (Microsoft Windows, GEM from Digital Research, AmigaOS from Commodore), but the Mac had its unique features. The first is proportional fonts. It took 5 years for Windows to have them with version 3.0 (1990). The other one is the menu which is always on top of the screen. This allows the user to slam the mouse to the top of the screen, making it easier to reach the menu. To this day, macOS is the only system with such a design. All the other windowing systems I can think of have the menu on the window itself.

    • @None17555
      @None17555 Před 5 lety

      @dmpoulain sorry, but no. Mac was ONE of the copycats of Xerox among several others.
      and obviously the window design on Mac OS is inferior. It's one of the least intuitive things about the OS. Why are objects not connected to the application so vital to the application? Why do they disappear when switching tasks? (hint: cause Apple 1.1 wasn't actually a multitasking OS, whereas Windows 1 was). Moreover, missing by 2 pixels will switch to the Finder's menu, AND old versions of mac OS had hover focus.
      There's a reason every other major OS has copied Window's placement of those menus and not Mac's.

  • @joqqy8497
    @joqqy8497 Před 4 lety

    Hierarchy and subfolder illusion is less about how to store, but more about the theoretical Organisation and fetch logic. You can store it in a million ways, but still org. Into a hierarchy. The result of the fetch, not storage pattern.

  • @NewRepublicMapper
    @NewRepublicMapper Před 7 lety +1

    Remember Apple Lisa Is The First PC With GUI

    • @dziugasj2874
      @dziugasj2874 Před 7 lety +2

      Christian Luis Quimno Nope. The first computer with GUI was Xerox Alto.

    • @NewRepublicMapper
      @NewRepublicMapper Před 7 lety

      Correction
      Apples First GUI PC

    • @dziugasj2874
      @dziugasj2874 Před 7 lety

      Christian Luis Quimno Xerox Alto came out in 1973. Lisa came out in 1983. It's easy to say which one was first.

    • @SaifXPro
      @SaifXPro Před 5 lety

      nope, it was a PC called Xerox PARC
      in 1973

  • @Olovlig
    @Olovlig Před 2 lety

    Really good!

  • @vinsenlim1212
    @vinsenlim1212 Před 6 lety

    7:21 Word From First Presentation Apple with Steve Jobs in 1984-1985

  • @DupczacyBawol
    @DupczacyBawol Před 7 lety

    Apple actually aquired JOBS in 1997 when the company started to go down. Apple adopted NEXTSTEP OS to Macintosh. The nice thing was putting authors names in the About box. The most thrilling is also the fact that the programmers invented all those "primitive" but genious applications by themselves back then. There was no Internet resources at all.

    • @verl0000
      @verl0000 Před 6 lety

      Joseph Anderson I feel really bad for going in stack overflow. I feel like I'm not a good programmer

  • @tenminutetokyo2643
    @tenminutetokyo2643 Před 2 lety

    In 1989 I bought a brand new Mac Plus and put it on a credit card with an ImageWriter. $5,000 bucks.

  • @Get_yotted
    @Get_yotted Před 7 měsíci

    9:42 Iron dome sim

  • @fedeallirom
    @fedeallirom Před 6 lety +1

    "Pencil Test" wasn't the first 3D animation

  • @Patrick_AUBRY
    @Patrick_AUBRY Před 5 lety +1

    My cat loved this demo :-)

  • @susanmaione1937
    @susanmaione1937 Před 5 lety

    I see the original icon of system not found

  • @Badhead1970
    @Badhead1970 Před 6 lety

    The scarpbook app would still be/extremely useful today. It should be brought back.

    • @ComputerClan
      @ComputerClan  Před 6 lety +1

      I should do a video about that feature. It kinda got lost in time, and now there's third-party Mac apps that are similar.

  • @WorldOfCatsStudio
    @WorldOfCatsStudio Před 7 lety

    3:20 i have same pen as this on the picture :)

  • @kronos0406
    @kronos0406 Před 4 lety

    what is that dashboard widget fans name?

  • @mightyraptor01
    @mightyraptor01 Před 7 lety

    so I gotta ask you guys you haven't live streamed for months now, has it been discontinued for whatever reason?

    • @ComputerClan
      @ComputerClan  Před 7 lety

      It is currently on a hiatus, after 7 and a half years and 384 episodes. But with a lot of good things, they usually come back in the not-too-distant future… ; )

    • @mightyraptor01
      @mightyraptor01 Před 7 lety

      ok then good luck with the future and May the 4th be with you!

  • @nadiafriesen971
    @nadiafriesen971 Před 6 lety

    You should look at project Copland

  • @HuntingKingYT
    @HuntingKingYT Před 2 lety

    I have a BigSur VM, and a lot of times I need to hold the menus (also my PC is horribly slow)

  • @avleen978
    @avleen978 Před 3 lety

    I still prefer MS-DOS. it was a big part of my child
    hood but this is still cool.

  • @gabechrism
    @gabechrism Před 7 lety

    Can I get that fan Widger that was in your dashboard somehow?

  • @kartheekdravid4482
    @kartheekdravid4482 Před 4 lety

    what are the file extensions used for those executable files?

  • @susanmaione1937
    @susanmaione1937 Před 5 lety

    This is also the one with the sad mac screen

  • @ct1660
    @ct1660 Před 5 lety

    To shut down Finder 1.0, you would EJECT the system disk, then shut it down from the switch.

  • @amlindberg1608
    @amlindberg1608 Před 3 lety

    I have a question, how did you screen record that?

  • @marcfield1234
    @marcfield1234 Před rokem

    Basically the Mac was a atriped down Lisa, and yes even if he did deny it it it was named after Steve's daughter, Lisa Brinon Jobs. He did finley admit it years later.

  • @diamondman1543
    @diamondman1543 Před 4 lety

    Macintosh system 1 is like iPod computer for sync

  • @Windows95pro
    @Windows95pro Před 7 lety +1

    I own a apple 2.

  • @Piipperi800
    @Piipperi800 Před 7 lety +5

    Did you know that the chip on MagSafe is about as fast as original Macintosh.

    • @TimurTripp2
      @TimurTripp2 Před 7 lety +1

      It's amazing how far we've come, isn't it. A modern iPhone can easily double the performance of a $2700 Power Mac G4 from 2003, while consuming a fraction of the power.

    • @Piipperi800
      @Piipperi800 Před 7 lety

      Timur Tripp I actually have Power Mac G4 from 2003... Still runs as good as new

    • @camerongoddard3846
      @camerongoddard3846 Před 6 lety +1

      Piipperi800 Also some calculators nowadays have more computing power than Apollo Program era computer

    • @tianyizhang3704
      @tianyizhang3704 Před 5 lety

      @@camerongoddard3846 many good calculators have 100+MB storage, color displays (TI nSpire CX), computer algebra system (TI nSpire CX CAS), touch screens (HP Prime), and stylus (CASIO FX CG500). I would say they are as powerful as desktop computers from late 90s.

  • @avi8aviate
    @avi8aviate Před 5 lety

    Honestly, I think I might like the wireframes more.

  • @old-superstar64
    @old-superstar64 Před 7 lety

    Can i please have the old CC wallpapers

  • @unusedaccount9130
    @unusedaccount9130 Před 5 lety +1

    Microsoft Windows was crap. No icons... It's hard to believe Microsoft took a year *extra* for that.

  • @KetwunsGamingPad
    @KetwunsGamingPad Před 3 lety

    We don’t need super clipboard we just have multiple programs with multiple clipboards you can copy and paste in the moment haha!

  • @otistically
    @otistically Před 2 lety

    Even in 1984, the command clover exists lmao 🍀🍀

  • @AxViki
    @AxViki Před 3 lety

    Nice

  • @TruthAndMoreTruth
    @TruthAndMoreTruth Před 6 lety

    How did you screen capture this?

  • @tedse21
    @tedse21 Před 3 lety

    I paid for a 128k. I haven't looked back.

  • @Am-Not-Jarvis
    @Am-Not-Jarvis Před 4 lety

    Did Windows not have a desktop until 95?

    • @ComputerClan
      @ComputerClan  Před 4 lety +1

      It depends on how you define "desktop." Windows 2 had a desktop, but I don't think you could freely place icons on it. Windows 3 kinda had a desktop, but most files and programs were accessed through Program Manager windows. Windows 95, however, had the desktop environment that we think of today-with the taskbar and Start menu to boot!

  • @jinpeilang2245
    @jinpeilang2245 Před 6 lety

    DID YOU USE VIRTUALBOX TO DO THIS?
    IF YES THEN TELL ME

    • @ComputerClan
      @ComputerClan  Před 6 lety

      No

    • @silentsiIver1
      @silentsiIver1 Před 5 lety

      @Jin pei Lang You can’t use virtual box to emulate this. You need to use mini vMac to emulate this software.

  • @michaelbaterna8386
    @michaelbaterna8386 Před 7 lety

    Wow, you didn't mention ext4?

    • @vurpo7080
      @vurpo7080 Před 6 lety

      didn't even mention btrfs

  • @Enrickos81
    @Enrickos81 Před 6 lety

    ...::::absolutely great::::...

  • @jimjimx5418
    @jimjimx5418 Před 3 lety

    Sooooo........
    Your option was, use this, or learn the manual that came with Microsoft, and type in everything.
    I’ll take the Macintosh..

  • @gjermundification
    @gjermundification Před 7 lety +4

    8:08 The old way is more efficient.

  • @cbm80amiga
    @cbm80amiga Před 7 lety +1

    Amiga in mid 80s was much faster thanks to custom gfx chips. Such 3D spheres would be drawn in realtime.

    • @chrisfratz
      @chrisfratz Před 6 lety

      cbm80amiga if you're talking about the boing demo, that was achieved by just swapping the palate on each Pixel in real time.

    • @SledgeFox
      @SledgeFox Před 6 lety +1

      And it had a real Multitasking operating system.

  • @PAWTeamUnited
    @PAWTeamUnited Před 7 lety +1

    Macintosh=Toaster

  • @eccremocarpusscaber5159
    @eccremocarpusscaber5159 Před 4 lety +1

    Why is nobody irritated by the word hierarchy and the fact it's not pronounced "hyarchy" as it is here. It makes me want to scream.

    • @ComputerClan
      @ComputerClan  Před 4 lety +1

      Maybe because most people understand there are colloquialisms and mistakes in languages, and they vary place to place. x_x

  • @realamazingworld6756
    @realamazingworld6756 Před 6 lety

    I think you drag the disk to the trash to eject :)

  • @BrickKid-sx3mp
    @BrickKid-sx3mp Před 3 lety

    I am going to commit mac os 1 on a windows 10 vm

  • @fenderbender3982
    @fenderbender3982 Před 6 lety +1

    Your condescending attitude is so wrong, 128 k of ram? 400k disk containing both a OS AND an application? Are there any programmers today who could duplicate the coding magic done by those mostly under 25year kids? Open the old macs and see the autographs of the entire team permanently embossed in the mold. The old Macs were magic and opened a world for me.

    • @ComputerClan
      @ComputerClan  Před 6 lety

      I seriously wasn't trying to be condescending... : s

  • @minoanlight4545
    @minoanlight4545 Před 6 lety

    Strange fact: Jef Raskin and Steve Jobs both died of pancreatic cancer.

  • @jahkaboi3072
    @jahkaboi3072 Před 7 lety

    Can you please do this with Windows 1.01 and Windows 10?

    • @ComputerClan
      @ComputerClan  Před 7 lety

      Sounds like a great idea! I kinda already did something similar: czcams.com/video/NdLpAc7nYj4/video.html

  • @Safeboot
    @Safeboot Před 7 lety

    I'm the 4th here, ahoy Ken!

  • @jenniferallen2548
    @jenniferallen2548 Před 5 lety

    why was that floppy disk data????????????????????????

  • @Kraniumbrud
    @Kraniumbrud Před 6 lety +1

    *Sighs* abit dissapointed you made it out to see as if this was an apple original idea, which it was not by a long shot.. not even one word about Xerox.. even with time constraints of the video this was sloppy

    • @ComputerClan
      @ComputerClan  Před 6 lety +1

      The video wasn’t about Xerox, mate. It definitely wasn’t my intention to make it seem like it was all ‘original’. But do feel free to make a video that may be a better example. I’m willing to learn.

  • @J.Rahman
    @J.Rahman Před 5 lety

    If it looks like a folder hierarchy, smells like a folder hierarchy, feels like a folder hierarchy, what makes you doubt that reality? Are you one of those people who believes he is a brain in a vat? ;)

  • @HyonkTea
    @HyonkTea Před 6 lety

    Doo doo Doo do do doooooooooooo

  • @maggiethegamer1271
    @maggiethegamer1271 Před 7 lety

    I don't want to say I'm third

  • @gnuemacs1166
    @gnuemacs1166 Před 4 lety

    Lisa was better

  • @DOGSAVESTHEDAY_SYSTEM
    @DOGSAVESTHEDAY_SYSTEM Před 4 lety

    dogsavestheday>

  • @bengray79
    @bengray79 Před 7 lety

    9 th

  • @gio048
    @gio048 Před 7 lety

    Very 😎❤️🍎🍎🍎🍎🍎🍎🍎

  • @wojiaobill
    @wojiaobill Před 7 lety

    I need to poop

    • @PantsYT
      @PantsYT Před 7 lety

      William Hetherington okey

  • @AshesOfEther
    @AshesOfEther Před 7 lety

    5th

  • @jimjimx5418
    @jimjimx5418 Před 3 lety

    Thanks for showing us your emulator...... Not!

    • @ComputerClan
      @ComputerClan  Před 3 lety

      Okay then! Show me your best method for display capture from a Mac 128K. Go ahead. I'll wait : )
      If you want to see more of my non-emulated computers in action, all you had to do was ask… or browse my channel.

  • @AbdAbdAbdAbd
    @AbdAbdAbdAbd Před 7 lety

    1st

  • @podlinux
    @podlinux Před 6 lety

    Stop laughing please.

  • @lorumipsum1129
    @lorumipsum1129 Před 6 lety +3

    but the real question is, is it still as easy to use as a toaster?

    • @daishi5571
      @daishi5571 Před 5 lety

      Not really, bread slices are thicker than the slot.