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An expensive date isn't necessary a quality date; also, treating a woman on date is a romantic gesture--a woman should never feel entitled to a man's money who isn't her husband, while a man shouldn't feel entitled to a woman's body just because he bought her dinner. Respect must be given both ways.⚖
@IMHTP We live in a patriarchal society, where men have an economic advantage over women. People date before marriage. If a man doesn't have money, he shouldn't be dating.
If I ever had a misguided "date" with a young version of Joy Beyhar (which I never would because she's ugly as sin) .....I would consider it a "golden moment" when I left that little idiot with the Bill.....
I agree with Joy on paying for your own meal. Also check with your town municipal building, or local library to see if there are any free, or inexpensive events going on in town.
If I ever had a misguided "date" with a young version of Joy Beyhar (which I never would because she's ugly as sin) .....I would consider it a "golden moment" when I left that little idiot with the Bill.....
Or just stop the fake independent narcissism and over complicating romantic gestures, villifying gentlemen behavior and allow a person to treat you nice without the fear of relinquishing "power" over a 30 dollar steak and some pub fries. Can we be realistic for once. Delusion. Like women don't already have all the power in dates. The woman decides if their even is one. If theirs a second one. What power does buying a steak hold. Like it's marraige papers or something.
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Gain weight doesn't always have to be about food. She gained weight because she was or is on medication for her pneumonia she had a few years ago. You seem to have forgotten that she was always a tiny woman even when she had her daughter. I know overweight people who eat less than slender ones. It is not always the obvious explanation.
I agree. I go Dutch and I meet up with them. I agree with Joy. My Dad said the man should always pay. My Mom said, always pay for yourself because then they can't expect anything afterwards. Although I adore my Dad, I always took my Mom's advice.
Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
🤣🤣🤣 you're son's will go broke with that mentality. Women will take advantage of them. No. They should only pay for value. If you aren't valuable. You aren't going to be paid for
@@pauliesmrt7562 this isn't about me personally. I would never spend all this money on strangers. They are without any value in my eyes You have to prove your worth first
I'm with Alyssa, it's tacky to want to share the bill if you picked the place. Now, if you ran it by the person, gave them a chance to research, and got a confirmation back, then that's a different story. It wouldn't be fair to take a struggling person to a luxury place just because you can afford it and expect them to pay half. No.
I will take from both sides. I think you should always be prepared to pay your own way BUT, if you ask someone out you should be prepared and offer to pay for them. Even as friends if I say to my friend "let me take you out for dinner!" I am paying. If a man pays for 100% of the dates, they will be more choosy on who they ask out. Thats what I tell my kids. Dont sleep with someone you dont want to have a baby with cause things break and people lie, and don't take every cute girl out on dates. Get to know them over the phone first, maybe go out for coffee next and then go out for dinner. If you focus on one person at a time, its less expensive. I am married and met my husband in college, he paid for most of the dates but when he was broke we either didn't go out or I would take us out because I wanted to go out with him.
If I ever had a misguided "date" with a young version of Joy Beyhar (which I never would because she's ugly as sin) .....I would consider it a "golden moment" when I left that little idiot with the Bill.....
This is all accurate. People over complicating being a gentlemen. Relinquishing "power" over a 30 dollar steak and some pub fries. Can we be realistic for once lol. Just date and eat. It's not a contract.
I am so tired of all of these gender roles which favor women and that is why women insist on gender roles bc a man has to do everything. Not just pay. Drive to a woman, plan everything, initiate every conversation, ask every question, make her laugh, teach her, protect her, be a gentleman, do all of the physical labor etc etc. Women just have to get ready and act sweet and innocent.
@@MilkyWayGalaxyy geez...having a bad time out there lol? idk about you, but my husband doesnt feel like he HAS to do anything, he likes doing those things for me because he knows I take care of him too. I mean, when you are in a healthy relationship you dont really keep score like that...sorry dude.
Being an elder person, and one that chooses not to drink because I don’t like the taste or the effect - when I was younger & dating, my family, as well as my dates seem to find me a deficit, & referred to me as a “cheap date” because they wouldn’t have to buy me alcohol. If the date was planned, a concert or something special, yes, the date paid. If dinner or dancing, I always made sure I had enough money to pay my own way, & to pay for a taxi if I needed. Just protect yourself and be prepared - and remember, you’re not for sale.
If I ever had a misguided "date" with a young version of Joy Beyhar (which I never would because she's ugly as sin) .....I would consider it a "golden moment" when I left that little idiot with the Bill.....
I agree with Whoopie on this one. Always have your own money and if he's fidgeting at what you want, pay for it yourself, but other than that, if they ask me out, they're paying for the meal.
I'm with Alyssa on this. The man's usually the pursuer & plans the date. You don't then ask to split it! It's different when the both of you get serious & I plan a date for us. Idk how a man being masculine& chivalrous for his woman means she has no power! It means he respects her feminine power.
@Ana Nita I am tired of gender roles and being chivalrous and a gentleman. I don't get anything for being gentleman. Nothing. Women feel entitled to a man doing everything for them. Not just paying. If I don't initiate every conversation and ask every question, I never hear from a woman. It doesn't matter if they are 25 or 60, women are all the same....Chase me, do physical labor for me, help me with my career, drive to me, plan and pay for me, be a gentleman, etc etc...and for what!? Sex? Women want sex too!! Women want sex more than me!! I don't want sex, kids, marriage or to live together so women are a burden to me. Always want to go out, vacation, have sex and I get nothing. 🙄
@@ananita6888 yes there are traditional and masculine gender rules for a biological reason. You don't have to go about them if you don't want to, but my husband and I do. Gender roles aren't a power struggle, for some reason people in the west make them out to be. Being a gentleman in his own Instinct form has always been good for our relationship. It's also nice with the relationship between my father and uncles and cousins and brothers. They like taking on the masculine role and we like nurturing them in the feminine way. If anything it was actually empowering not disempowering. It always worked for us. There's not a single woman in our family who feels powerless or is uneducated or is disrespected.
@@MilkyWayGalaxyy I'm sorry you've never received anything in return, the men in my life have. I hope you find that woman someday that gives you the proper appreciation for it if you ever choose to be so. If you also have daughters or nieces, I hope they are that way with you as well.
If a man asks me out...they pay. If I ask a man out...I pay. And, I'm the cheapest date ever. I love Taco B*ll, so if a man took me there for dinner I'd love it. If my boyfriend brings me a Re*se's peanut butter cup, I'm thrilled that he thought about me, and he knows they're my favorite. I shop at Goodwill for my clothes, never wear jewelry, and, I STILL drive my beat-up 1996 Subaru. It was the only brand-new car I have ever owned. And, I don't live this way because I want to save money, I just don't care about "the finest" anything.
i’ve always hated splitting the bill. take turns, and don’t go if you can’t afford the whole bill. I also go in assuming i’m paying, especially if I sent the invite. People don’t have common sense anymore.
With all due respect, I think they’re a bit out of touch with the absolute hellscape the dating world has become. Men nowadays are very aware of the “foodie call”, in which women will go on dates with zero interest in them but just for the free food and Instagram pictures. Conversely, women get really uncomfortable and suspicious of really showy romantic gestures and gifts.
Sunny and Alyssa and even Ana to a point all said the same thing about the guy paying...people forget these women are in their 50s and from conservative backgrounds... The world is changing... I think like Whoopi, take your own money so you can get what you want...
Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
Thank God for Joy - you can tell she was from the women's liberation generation - Sunny and Alyssa are confused in their thinking - on the one hand, I'm sure they'd say they were for equality between the sexes - but letting the man pay for the meal and even plan the date is not equality.
Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
Couldn't agree more! I find Sunny obnoxious when it comes to social issues. Outside of politics, she mostly gives me a headache because of her constant hypocrisy and out of touch comments. If she didn't remind us again and again that she was born in poverty, she'd belong in the same category of out of touch celebrities such as Gwyneth Paltrow whom, interestingly enough, she is a fan of...🙄
No she is not and her son will be so fucked up. Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
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If I ever had a misguided "date" with a young version of Joy Beyhar (which I never would because she's ugly as sin) .....I would consider it a "golden moment" when I left that little idiot with the Bill.....
My husband had no money when we met. He tried taking me to Taco Bell on a date. I took him to red lobster and paid because I wanted to have crab and cheddar bay biscuits. He said that is one of the reasons that he married me because no other woman ever bought a meal for him.🎉
@@princessresinista9080 Girl I am the same way. My ex husbands was in grad school when I met him and I was out of school working full time. Back than I was obsessed with Olive garden and wanted to eat there all the time. So I would always pay for his meals when we went to OG, & I see nothing wrong with that. Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
I agree with everyone on the panel. I agree with Joy that if a man pays for dinner sometimes he expect some thing from you just flat out and it’s good to pay your own way, but I also agree with Sunny and Alyssa. It’s nice when the man pays I like that traditional kind of act.
I love Whoopi making a weed joke and NONE OF THEM getting it lol. Joy just going off on something else lol. this is clearly something that we just learn from our parents and what we find acceptable. My mom always taught me to pay your way so if im going out somewhere, even if its a date, im going to have the money to at the very least pay for myself. I almost always offer to pay or at the very least split the bill. I either prefer to split a bill or pay for it in full because I feel weird about a stranger paying something for me, especially on a first date. I am queer and have only been on dates with men so it can get awkward but most dates ive been on the other person usually offers as well. Also if I am planning the date then I do expect myself to pay for it and if we end up on splitting then thats cool too. Sunny doesn't see the "power" in it because I think she sees a date as it is, but Joy I think is referring to the subtext of what paying for a date means. even if it doesn't actually mean that theres still that feeling associated with it. in a perfect world where people dont have power trips on money it would be fine because an offer to pay would be just that and nothing more.
i dont like the idea of going dutch because i date to find someone to have a family with, and food is something very intimate. but i believe its wrong to assume that the guy has to pay all the time. i am happy to take turns. and if there is a pay gap, the better earner can do more expensive things like dinner, and the weaker earner can do thinks like ice cream, cinema tickets, or snacks.
I think it's nice when the guy picks up the check, but I don't expect that / it's not a deal breaker for me if they don't. I always go on a date with the intention of paying for myself or splitting it like they buy the ticket and I'll buy the snacks. I think it is an outdated concept of the man always having to pay for the date, but I definitely find it chivalrous and hot when a guy does pick up the check, though only if it's without the expectation of getting something in return.
Not sure why Sunny is acting naive unless Manny is the only guy she’s ever dated. I agree with Joy about power. Not all but a lot of men think paying for dates equals sex. Even if you intend to have sex with them when you’re ready because you like them, some guys will feel entitled to sex because they paid for a date. Some men will even say that you used them or are a gold digger if you don’t sleep with them whenever they think you should. Joy is absolutely right that guys can’t use that excuse against us if we pay for ourselves. Again, this is not every guy but it doesn’t hurt to offer to pay my way.
Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me. I have had men complain to me that sometimes it is cheaper to just hire a hooker than to take a woman out on a date. My guy friends have told me stories about how they would take women out on dates, and she would order the best stake and wine on the menu, and they would pay for everything but then these women would turn them down when they wanted to have sex. I definitely don't agree with women who exploit men like that.
Slightly laughing is this really a relevant topic in 2022, My Mom & Dad "#Oorah" Raised me up the right way, If I'm taking a #BeautifulWomen out to eat at a nice Restaurant "I'm paying period" And let it be known if any man is out here not paying for you , You better trust and believe they're probably not really that interested in you 🥱👉And to me that's messed up to expect the women to pay for her own meal, To me that's nothing, #RealMenZone We #Run1👊🤨👉💯 !
That Statements is a bit of a broad brush stroke. I’m a woman, I always go Dutch, always have. Even if I was broke. Always bought my own drinks at bars too. That way I didn’t owe my date or anyone anything. Some people think you owe them sex just for paying for a drink or dinner, it’s messed up, gross and makes many women feel unsafe AF
My husband always said that I was a cheap date with expensive taste. If I liked you I could hang on the street having fun, I'd tap the bottle for the dead, but to this day I've never sipped a fourty.
I'm with Sunny. If a man wants a woman he needs to be able to financially care for her. If you can't afford a steak dinner then how are you going to afford her when you get married and potentially start a family?
If the guy is planning the date and he takes me to a super expensive place then I'd hope he wouldn't expect me to pay for half, only because I genuinely don't make that much $$ But in general, I think it's reasonable to split costs when going out. I really like chivalry and gentlemanly behaviour but you have to be sensible too. Another thing to take into consideration is what you earn. If I'm a struggling artist and my date is the owner of a fortune 100 company then maybe he could take care of a larger percentage of the financial outlay? 🤷♀
Always ALWAYS have your own money on a date with your friends ALWAYS. You may want the big lobster or steak or you may just need to get away quickly having money will always ensure that.
I love how the blonde woman commented on the importance of having our OWN opinions, aside from what majority might be saying online or whatnot too. Hilarious that people think they can strip our rights just for having different thoughts
I totally agree with sunny. My husband PAYSsssss...first date and till date 😂😂😂 I can be understanding though but I've never been in such situation before. I wouldn't say I'm cheap though but rather I'm reasonable or considerate.
I didn't like dating very much anyway, so when someone asked me out, I expected them to pay for it. I always learned that if you invite someone to your home or out for dinner, it was understood that you were preparing the meal or paying for it. It wasn't a "Man" thing it was simply common sense. Just have your own money at the ready in case the date doesn't go well and you want to leave early.
I’d accept a cheap date if I like the place. Women can tell whether the man is rich, cheap, dirt poor, or holding out. It’s not a big deal if I’m really interested in the person. Now if you’re looking for marriage you need to skip the cheap dates and choose your dates appropriately so you can spend $$ on first dates. FYI if you do the cheap dates you better bring the upscale conversation pleeease.
I agree with Alysson that when you plan a date you have to consider that you are able to afford it and pay for it also for your date but nevertheless I also agree with Joy and I prefer and I am paying for myself. With that said I am doing it cause I feel like that but it wouldn’t give me a nice impression if my date doesn’t propose however to paay(even if it is 100% sure I won’t accept)!
I went on a double date years ago. I've ordered my food when it was time for him to pay. He couldn't pay the bill. So yes always make sure u have your own cash
What? I go dutch with friends, not a date. That's not giving up anything. I am so confused. It's a date if a guy can't do that then he's not ready for a relationship. We look for providers so that should be a given. Also, women who are taught well, we usually offer to pay the tip. I'm just not down with this new age crap.
Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
Women feel entitled to a man doing everything for them, not just paying. Initiate literally every conversation and ask every question, make me feel special, make me laugh, teach me things, protect me, drive to me, plan and pay for the date, do all of the physical labor, be a gentleman etc etc. What does a woman do for a man that she is just dating???? I don't want marriage, kids and to live together. I just date. So I am still trying to figure out what every woman I date does for me.
Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
The difference between deprived and wealthy young women dating. A young adult woman raised deprived may only know going Dutch at a low-end restaurant, being invited to your date home since he made dinner, etcetera. A young adult woman raised wealthy would expect for the man to pay at the 5-star restaurants, having a chef make their food at the condo, etcetera. It depends how the young woman was raised nothing is wrong likewise.
For me i agree with Joy 100%. I like my freedom of choice.i hate when a random dude gets me a drink and hes all over me the whole nigh. What I do is i by him the same drink back and keep it pushing.
I love Joy and usually agree with everything she says but not today. We live i a male dominated society so they should pay!!! Men make more money as a whole!!!
Woman like you an Sunny are the problem. Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
A segment that was fun to listen to Sonny comes across as being so progressive until it comes down to what she expects her husband to do, I feel bad for her kids in that regard especially her son.
If I ever had a misguided "date" with a young version of Joy Beyhar (which I never would because she's ugly as sin) .....I would consider it a "golden moment" when I left that little idiot with the Bill.....
Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
An expensive date isn't necessary a quality date; also, treating a woman on date is a romantic gesture--a woman should never feel entitled to a man's money who isn't her husband, while a man shouldn't feel entitled to a woman's body just because he bought her dinner. Respect must be given both ways.⚖
@IMHTP We live in a patriarchal society, where men have an economic advantage over women. People date before marriage. If a man doesn't have money, he shouldn't be dating.
If I ever had a misguided "date" with a young version of Joy Beyhar (which I never would because she's ugly as sin) .....I would consider it a "golden moment" when I left that little idiot with the Bill.....
@@chocolateangel8743 And if a woman feels entitled to man's money for no reason than existing, then neither should she.
Beautifully simplified
Are you sure these Cackling hens are w🤡men?
"That's my contribution to the arts." LOL!
Joy is hilarious 😂
She makes anything serious...funny. The stone crabs 🦀 topic was too funny. 🔥
50 cent said once... who pays for a date?
Whoever's idea it was to go on the date.
Lol
Joy is on fire 😂❤
Joy is on a roll🤣
I agree with Joy on paying for your own meal. Also check with your town municipal building, or local library to see if there are any free, or inexpensive events going on in town.
If I ever had a misguided "date" with a young version of Joy Beyhar (which I never would because she's ugly as sin) .....I would consider it a "golden moment" when I left that little idiot with the Bill.....
Or just stop the fake independent narcissism and over complicating romantic gestures, villifying gentlemen behavior and allow a person to treat you nice without the fear of relinquishing "power" over a 30 dollar steak and some pub fries. Can we be realistic for once. Delusion. Like women don't already have all the power in dates. The woman decides if their even is one. If theirs a second one. What power does buying a steak hold. Like it's marraige papers or something.
Love Joy!🤣🤣🤣
This lady Joy is such an open and down to earth lady.
How do you know its a lady? And not a lady of the night?
I agree with Joy and going Dutch and not feeling ‘owned’ I also loved what she said about the the type of men she dated
Joy Behar is a legend ☺️❤️
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Whoopi saying I don’t eat much 💀 she ain’t fooling anyone 2:48
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Gain weight doesn't always have to be about food. She gained weight because she was or is on medication for her pneumonia she had a few years ago. You seem to have forgotten that she was always a tiny woman even when she had her daughter. I know overweight people who eat less than slender ones. It is not always the obvious explanation.
JOY hitting 💯 on the points she makes
I agree. I go Dutch and I meet up with them. I agree with Joy. My Dad said the man should always pay. My Mom said, always pay for yourself because then they can't expect anything afterwards. Although I adore my Dad, I always took my Mom's advice.
Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
I teach my boys if they want to date… they pay and expect nothing in return but a chance to win the girls heart.
🤣🤣🤣 you're son's will go broke with that mentality. Women will take advantage of them.
No. They should only pay for value. If you aren't valuable. You aren't going to be paid for
Clearly you don’t trust your own judgment about women . I trust they’ll know straight off if she a a good girl
@@pauliesmrt7562 this isn't about me personally. I would never spend all this money on strangers. They are without any value in my eyes
You have to prove your worth first
@@benjaminreyes3624 Okay I dont disagree with you there. I hope you know them a little but before you ask them out though.
I'm with Alyssa, it's tacky to want to share the bill if you picked the place. Now, if you ran it by the person, gave them a chance to research, and got a confirmation back, then that's a different story. It wouldn't be fair to take a struggling person to a luxury place just because you can afford it and expect them to pay half. No.
I will take from both sides. I think you should always be prepared to pay your own way BUT, if you ask someone out you should be prepared and offer to pay for them. Even as friends if I say to my friend "let me take you out for dinner!" I am paying. If a man pays for 100% of the dates, they will be more choosy on who they ask out. Thats what I tell my kids. Dont sleep with someone you dont want to have a baby with cause things break and people lie, and don't take every cute girl out on dates. Get to know them over the phone first, maybe go out for coffee next and then go out for dinner. If you focus on one person at a time, its less expensive. I am married and met my husband in college, he paid for most of the dates but when he was broke we either didn't go out or I would take us out because I wanted to go out with him.
Spot on! I agree with everything you said. I am of the same accord.
If I ever had a misguided "date" with a young version of Joy Beyhar (which I never would because she's ugly as sin) .....I would consider it a "golden moment" when I left that little idiot with the Bill.....
This is all accurate. People over complicating being a gentlemen. Relinquishing "power" over a 30 dollar steak and some pub fries. Can we be realistic for once lol. Just date and eat. It's not a contract.
I am so tired of all of these gender roles which favor women and that is why women insist on gender roles bc a man has to do everything.
Not just pay. Drive to a woman, plan everything, initiate every conversation, ask every question, make her laugh, teach her, protect her, be a gentleman, do all of the physical labor etc etc.
Women just have to get ready and act sweet and innocent.
@@MilkyWayGalaxyy geez...having a bad time out there lol? idk about you, but my husband doesnt feel like he HAS to do anything, he likes doing those things for me because he knows I take care of him too. I mean, when you are in a healthy relationship you dont really keep score like that...sorry dude.
Being an elder person, and one that chooses not to drink because I don’t like the taste or the effect - when I was younger & dating, my family, as well as my dates seem to find me a deficit, & referred to me as a “cheap date” because they wouldn’t have to buy me alcohol. If the date was planned, a concert or something special, yes, the date paid. If dinner or dancing, I always made sure I had enough money to pay my own way, & to pay for a taxi if I needed. Just protect yourself and be prepared - and remember, you’re not for sale.
If I ever had a misguided "date" with a young version of Joy Beyhar (which I never would because she's ugly as sin) .....I would consider it a "golden moment" when I left that little idiot with the Bill.....
Joy, a nutcracker 😂😂😂
I agree with Whoopie on this one. Always have your own money and if he's fidgeting at what you want, pay for it yourself, but other than that, if they ask me out, they're paying for the meal.
I'm with Alyssa on this. The man's usually the pursuer & plans the date. You don't then ask to split it! It's different when the both of you get serious & I plan a date for us. Idk how a man being masculine& chivalrous for his woman means she has no power! It means he respects her feminine power.
@Ana Nita I am tired of gender roles and being chivalrous and a gentleman. I don't get anything for being gentleman. Nothing.
Women feel entitled to a man doing everything for them. Not just paying. If I don't initiate every conversation and ask every question, I never hear from a woman. It doesn't matter if they are 25 or 60, women are all the same....Chase me, do physical labor for me, help me with my career, drive to me, plan and pay for me, be a gentleman, etc etc...and for what!? Sex? Women want sex too!! Women want sex more than me!!
I don't want sex, kids, marriage or to live together so women are a burden to me. Always want to go out, vacation, have sex and I get nothing. 🙄
@@ananita6888 yes there are traditional and masculine gender rules for a biological reason. You don't have to go about them if you don't want to, but my husband and I do. Gender roles aren't a power struggle, for some reason people in the west make them out to be. Being a gentleman in his own Instinct form has always been good for our relationship. It's also nice with the relationship between my father and uncles and cousins and brothers. They like taking on the masculine role and we like nurturing them in the feminine way. If anything it was actually empowering not disempowering. It always worked for us. There's not a single woman in our family who feels powerless or is uneducated or is disrespected.
@@MilkyWayGalaxyy I'm sorry you've never received anything in return, the men in my life have. I hope you find that woman someday that gives you the proper appreciation for it if you ever choose to be so. If you also have daughters or nieces, I hope they are that way with you as well.
If a man asks me out...they pay. If I ask a man out...I pay.
And, I'm the cheapest date ever. I love Taco B*ll, so if a man took me there for dinner I'd love it.
If my boyfriend brings me a Re*se's peanut butter cup, I'm thrilled that he thought about me, and he knows they're my favorite.
I shop at Goodwill for my clothes, never wear jewelry, and, I STILL drive my beat-up 1996 Subaru. It was the only brand-new car I have ever owned.
And, I don't live this way because I want to save money, I just don't care about "the finest" anything.
"My contribution to the arts" 😆😆😆
Sunny really wants it both ways, men pay, women are equal, girl please
That’s pretty much every feminist. They want the best of both worlds.
Trolls will be trolls 🧌
It's the hypocrisy for me 🙄
@@bonanimathambo8721 I would say joy is more of a feminist than sunny
i’ve always hated splitting the bill. take turns, and don’t go if you can’t afford the whole bill. I also go in assuming i’m paying, especially if I sent the invite. People don’t have common sense anymore.
“That’s my contribution to the arts” 🤣🤣🤣
With all due respect, I think they’re a bit out of touch with the absolute hellscape the dating world has become. Men nowadays are very aware of the “foodie call”, in which women will go on dates with zero interest in them but just for the free food and Instagram pictures. Conversely, women get really uncomfortable and suspicious of really showy romantic gestures and gifts.
Pathetic scenario. An invite to what? Please, a cup of coffee, a drink, a snack, an appetizer! Get creative.
Sunny so set in her ways.
Ana has good taste. Stone crabs are amazing 😍
Also, I’m convinced Joy is the aunt we all need in our lives.
Whoopi: _"Stoned_ crabs?? 👀🤤"
So much unearned privilege
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Sunny and Alyssa and even Ana to a point all said the same thing about the guy paying...people forget these women are in their 50s and from conservative backgrounds...
The world is changing... I think like Whoopi, take your own money so you can get what you want...
Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
Thank God for Joy - you can tell she was from the women's liberation generation - Sunny and Alyssa are confused in their thinking - on the one hand, I'm sure they'd say they were for equality between the sexes - but letting the man pay for the meal and even plan the date is not equality.
Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
Couldn't agree more! I find Sunny obnoxious when it comes to social issues. Outside of politics, she mostly gives me a headache because of her constant hypocrisy and out of touch comments. If she didn't remind us again and again that she was born in poverty, she'd belong in the same category of out of touch celebrities such as Gwyneth Paltrow whom, interestingly enough, she is a fan of...🙄
Did I miss the whole shoulder pads coming back thing? Sunny over here looking like she forgot to take her hanger out of her coat.🤣🤣
Lmao.
Shoulder pads are back.
They've been back for a while
Sunny looks like she just came out of an episode of Dynasty 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@breebartkowiakova 😂
Anna’s dilemma hit home with me.
I'm with Sunny!! She's raising a gentleman!
No she is not and her son will be so fucked up. Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
I rather be treated with respect, than to buy me a steak. No substitution for that.
I love Whoopi’s take on this topic.
Joes! Stone Crab Season in full swing up here on the west coast of Fla,Anna! Please pass the melted butter, claw cracker,and nut pick, “Stoned crabs” 😂cracked me up!
An old family Christmas Eve tradition began in 1920s Florida on maternal side.Attend Christmas Eve worship service in our Presbyterian Church Sanctuary. Head home for shucked raw oyster on the patio ,spiced pecans ,Syllabub/egg nog sprinkled w nutmeg &spiked w Rum or Coca Cola . Supper is always Spanish Bean soup ,crusty bread,individual bowls of melted butter to dip our cracked claws in. West Coast never had mustard sauce until abt 10 yrs ago. Big thank you to Miami and the Keys for sharing the mustard sauce with all regions of the Great State (not Ron’s state) of Florida! Val Demmings will replace Trick Scott in 2024 if she doesn’t run for Governor in 4 yrs.
I love Anna, she is life and living. That response is my everything.
Yes, everyone should pay for their own meal. That way, no expectations.
If I ever had a misguided "date" with a young version of Joy Beyhar (which I never would because she's ugly as sin) .....I would consider it a "golden moment" when I left that little idiot with the Bill.....
My husband had no money when we met. He tried taking me to Taco Bell on a date. I took him to red lobster and paid because I wanted to have crab and cheddar bay biscuits. He said that is one of the reasons that he married me because no other woman ever bought a meal for him.🎉
Also, I don’t judge anyone, but I don’t drink alcohol and therefore I am a super cheap date. 😂
So he married you because of what you could do for him? I married my husband because of our bond and him as a person. He did the same thing for me.
@@kinndah2519 he never had anyone offer or pay before. Now he pays all of the time!
@@princessresinista9080 Girl I am the same way. My ex husbands was in grad school when I met him and I was out of school working full time. Back than I was obsessed with Olive garden and wanted to eat there all the time. So I would always pay for his meals when we went to OG, & I see nothing wrong with that. Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
whoopi doesnt eat much, really?
I agree with everyone on the panel. I agree with Joy that if a man pays for dinner sometimes he expect some thing from you just flat out and it’s good to pay your own way, but I also agree with Sunny and Alyssa. It’s nice when the man pays I like that traditional kind of act.
I love Whoopi making a weed joke and NONE OF THEM getting it lol. Joy just going off on something else lol. this is clearly something that we just learn from our parents and what we find acceptable. My mom always taught me to pay your way so if im going out somewhere, even if its a date, im going to have the money to at the very least pay for myself. I almost always offer to pay or at the very least split the bill. I either prefer to split a bill or pay for it in full because I feel weird about a stranger paying something for me, especially on a first date. I am queer and have only been on dates with men so it can get awkward but most dates ive been on the other person usually offers as well. Also if I am planning the date then I do expect myself to pay for it and if we end up on splitting then thats cool too. Sunny doesn't see the "power" in it because I think she sees a date as it is, but Joy I think is referring to the subtext of what paying for a date means. even if it doesn't actually mean that theres still that feeling associated with it. in a perfect world where people dont have power trips on money it would be fine because an offer to pay would be just that and nothing more.
It's Whoopi who clearly hasn't been affected by inflation and saying apparently this is an important enough topic to make it to the show 🙄.
I agree with Whoopi too. A date does not mean order the most expensive thing on the menu. That is wrong and inconsiderate.
I agree with Joy💯
She’s definitely right on this one. This isn’t 1950. There’s no reason a grown woman can’t pay her share if she claims to be equal.
I always agree with Joy.
@@jennslifeinhuntingtonwv2678 I do too, Majority of the time. She's one of the realist
i dont like the idea of going dutch because i date to find someone to have a family with, and food is something very intimate. but i believe its wrong to assume that the guy has to pay all the time. i am happy to take turns. and if there is a pay gap, the better earner can do more expensive things like dinner, and the weaker earner can do thinks like ice cream, cinema tickets, or snacks.
I think it's nice when the guy picks up the check, but I don't expect that / it's not a deal breaker for me if they don't. I always go on a date with the intention of paying for myself or splitting it like they buy the ticket and I'll buy the snacks. I think it is an outdated concept of the man always having to pay for the date, but I definitely find it chivalrous and hot when a guy does pick up the check, though only if it's without the expectation of getting something in return.
Not sure why Sunny is acting naive unless Manny is the only guy she’s ever dated. I agree with Joy about power. Not all but a lot of men think paying for dates equals sex. Even if you intend to have sex with them when you’re ready because you like them, some guys will feel entitled to sex because they paid for a date. Some men will even say that you used them or are a gold digger if you don’t sleep with them whenever they think you should. Joy is absolutely right that guys can’t use that excuse against us if we pay for ourselves. Again, this is not every guy but it doesn’t hurt to offer to pay my way.
Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
I have had men complain to me that sometimes it is cheaper to just hire a hooker than to take a woman out on a date. My guy friends have told me stories about how they would take women out on dates, and she would order the best stake and wine on the menu, and they would pay for everything but then these women would turn them down when they wanted to have sex. I definitely don't agree with women who exploit men like that.
I also love stone crabs and lobster!!
Slightly laughing is this really a relevant topic in 2022, My Mom & Dad "#Oorah" Raised me up the right way, If I'm taking a #BeautifulWomen out to eat at a nice Restaurant "I'm paying period" And let it be known if any man is out here not paying for you , You better trust and believe they're probably not really that interested in you
🥱👉And to me that's messed up to expect the women to pay for her own meal, To me that's nothing, #RealMenZone
We #Run1👊🤨👉💯 !
Women said they want equity but I doubt most women would take a guy seriously who wasn't paying for the date.
I paid most of the time, both while my ex-hubby and I were dating and married.
@@MH-js5eg that’s very rare.
That Statements is a bit of a broad brush stroke.
I’m a woman, I always go Dutch, always have. Even if I was broke. Always bought my own drinks at bars too.
That way I didn’t owe my date or anyone anything.
Some people think you owe them sex just for paying for a drink or dinner, it’s messed up, gross and makes many women feel unsafe AF
If They Ask Me "OUT"They ,
PAY🤑🍷🍸 🍝🍛🍿
I am surprised “independent” Sunny would allow a fellow to pay for her meal on a date.
Abby is right, Splitting is so tacky. Be prepared to take your date out
My husband always said that I was a cheap date with expensive taste. If I liked you I could hang on the street having fun, I'd tap the bottle for the dead, but to this day I've never sipped a fourty.
I'm with Sunny. If a man wants a woman he needs to be able to financially care for her. If you can't afford a steak dinner then how are you going to afford her when you get married and potentially start a family?
I’m a cheap date let’s go to get fast food and just sit there and talk.
Joy 'going Dutch' 👀😁😅
If the guy is planning the date and he takes me to a super expensive place then I'd hope he wouldn't expect me to pay for half, only because I genuinely don't make that much $$ But in general, I think it's reasonable to split costs when going out. I really like chivalry and gentlemanly behaviour but you have to be sensible too. Another thing to take into consideration is what you earn. If I'm a struggling artist and my date is the owner of a fortune 100 company then maybe he could take care of a larger percentage of the financial outlay? 🤷♀
Ms. Joy👍
Always ALWAYS have your own money on a date with your friends ALWAYS. You may want the big lobster or steak or you may just need to get away quickly having money will always ensure that.
I will pay for my own dinner. Thank you.
I love how the blonde woman commented on the importance of having our OWN opinions, aside from what majority might be saying online or whatnot too. Hilarious that people think they can strip our rights just for having different thoughts
Different strokes for different folks
I totally agree with sunny. My husband PAYSsssss...first date and till date 😂😂😂
I can be understanding though but I've never been in such situation before. I wouldn't say I'm cheap though but rather I'm reasonable or considerate.
I always try to pay but sometimes I can't afford it so I feel like it should be okay to split as well especially in these hard times
I didn't like dating very much anyway, so when someone asked me out, I expected them to pay for it. I always learned that if you invite someone to your home or out for dinner, it was understood that you were preparing the meal or paying for it. It wasn't a "Man" thing it was simply common sense. Just have your own money at the ready in case the date doesn't go well and you want to leave early.
Whoopi said she doesn't eat much!?? She was eating the whole show not too long ago. Stuffing her face. Shamelessly. On TV. With a live audience.
I’d accept a cheap date if I like the place. Women can tell whether the man is rich, cheap, dirt poor, or holding out. It’s not a big deal if I’m really interested in the person. Now if you’re looking for marriage you need to skip the cheap dates and choose your dates appropriately so you can spend $$ on first dates. FYI if you do the cheap dates you better bring the upscale conversation pleeease.
I agree with Alysson that when you plan a date you have to consider that you are able to afford it and pay for it also for your date but nevertheless I also agree with Joy and I prefer and I am paying for myself. With that said I am doing it cause I feel like that but it wouldn’t give me a nice impression if my date doesn’t propose however to paay(even if it is 100% sure I won’t accept)!
Joy is the Best!
It is.
I went on a double date years ago. I've ordered my food when it was time for him to pay. He couldn't pay the bill. So yes always make sure u have your own cash
guy asks women out - he picks the place and pays / woman asks guy out she picks the place and pays. Next
I agree with Joy & Alyssa
I agree with Joy!!!! Bloop
What? I go dutch with friends, not a date. That's not giving up anything. I am so confused. It's a date if a guy can't do that then he's not ready for a relationship. We look for providers so that should be a given. Also, women who are taught well, we usually offer to pay the tip. I'm just not down with this new age crap.
Men should pay. That's how it should be. It's traditional and it works.
Kind of off topic, Alyssa always has the cutest shoes
Um when he can go to the bar and drink but not take me out for dinner??? Ya told him goodbye
Joy the oldest on the panel still remains the most progressive and forward thinking of them all.
This segment should’ve been the GMA one 😭😭
The one time I agree with Sunny...
Whoopi was totally on point about this one and have your own money to buy what YOU want. Sunny was her shallow self though
Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
@@breebartkowiakova that was truly on point about Sunny
Women feel entitled to a man doing everything for them, not just paying. Initiate literally every conversation and ask every question, make me feel special, make me laugh, teach me things, protect me, drive to me, plan and pay for the date, do all of the physical labor, be a gentleman etc etc.
What does a woman do for a man that she is just dating????
I don't want marriage, kids and to live together. I just date. So I am still trying to figure out what every woman I date does for me.
Sexist stereotypes are being kept alive and well but men get the lion share of the blame. Mrs. hostin is clearly keeping those tropes alive and well.
Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
The difference between deprived and wealthy young women dating. A young adult woman raised deprived may only know going Dutch at a low-end restaurant, being invited to your date home since he made dinner, etcetera. A young adult woman raised wealthy would expect for the man to pay at the 5-star restaurants, having a chef make their food at the condo, etcetera. It depends how the young woman was raised nothing is wrong likewise.
For me i agree with Joy 100%. I like my freedom of choice.i hate when a random dude gets me a drink and hes all over me the whole nigh. What I do is i by him the same drink back and keep it pushing.
I love Joy and usually agree with everything she says but not today. We live i a male dominated society so they should pay!!! Men make more money as a whole!!!
Woman like you an Sunny are the problem. Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
When did Whoopi not eat much ..????
Stoned crabs 😂😂 yeah so they don't notice that they're being boiled 🤣
I rather pay my own way like Joy said and Whoopi.
Whoopi you don’t eat much? Are you sure?!!
I'm glad someone else caught that too. Come on now. 😏
Whoopi not eating is like Biden working at NASA lol
Joyce is the host? Baal . Balenciaga means if broke down Bal = Baal enci= is aga= King . Y'all throwing it in our faces.
A segment that was fun to listen to Sonny comes across as being so progressive until it comes down to what she expects her husband to do, I feel bad for her kids in that regard especially her son.
If I ever had a misguided "date" with a young version of Joy Beyhar (which I never would because she's ugly as sin) .....I would consider it a "golden moment" when I left that little idiot with the Bill.....
You feel sorry for children of millionaires?.Yeah right 😂
Sunny really wants it both ways and is such a major hypocrite. She wants men to always pay, but women are equal to men, girl please. Girl you can't have it both ways. it funny because Joy is old enough to be Sunny's mother but is way more forward thinking and progressive than Sunny. IMO Joy is what a true feminist should be. You can't have it both ways and say you want to be equal to a man but than say a men should pay for the date just because he is a man. I never expected a man to pay for me, and have never gone on a date without having my debit card & credit card on me.
@@murielb9946 Forever and ever to infinity..." Idiots......leading the idiots.......". AND THAT"S YOU !!!!
@@murielb9946 Good luck to you too. Turn off the "Lie Box" known as the TV and you'll be much better off going forward.....
please! no lobster for 2022-2023!!!
Keep informed! watch the news!
I remember when girls would go out with you only if you had a nice car 😉 !!!