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Yes... we are in fact in the market for boaty number 2! It will probably take some time, and we haven't decided yet when we will sell our current Polar Seal, but the time has come for us to take the next step in our sailing adventure.
In this video, we are looking at a few different boats:
03:37 Allures 51.9
06:38 Excess 11
10:06 Wauquiez 48 DS
12:42 Beneteau Oceanis 46.1
16:05 Hallberg Rassy 50
18:30 Oyster 595
Stay tuned for the actual winner, we hope to be able to make an announcement before the end of the year! ;)
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Great to have you both on board, and thank you for your kind words about the 595! If you ever hit the jackpot, our door is always open 🤩
Thank you Oyster, you’ll be the first one to know when that happens! 😆😍
Wouldn't Barnacle make the absolute best spokesdog for Oyster?
@@RyanSophieSailing 🤣🤣🤣
Best Boat Show Video of 2023 goes to….Ryan & Shopie Sailing!!
Great work!!! 👍👍👍
Wahooo thanks!!!! 🥰🥰🥰
Secondhand is always the best bargain. Also best for the environment.
You enjoyed the time at this boat show. Thanks for showing these different yachts. If you miss water sound, you can find more on my channel.
Totally groovy episode. Sophie you are a joy to watch and listen too. Your smart and witty humor cracks me up. Your sarcasm is brilliant. Call out to all the Baby Sharks around the world and see if they will help you out buying your dream boat. Stay safe and stay groovy.
If willing to consider a cat you should give very serious consideration to a Vision 444. It’s a smaller yard out of South Africa and a game changer of a boat. It’s a boat built for voyaging with features that just make sense, comes loaded out of the yard, and at a very competitive price point. Hull 12 is launching this week. We are Hull 20.
I saw the Excess 11 last year in the Miami Boat Show and absolutely fell in love with it - especially the owner's side of the hull. You actually DO have 2 work spaces - the salon dining table and the cockpit table. This is probably the only 38 foot catamaran I would be excited about buying, and would take it over a 50ft Oceanis any day of the week.
Within your price range, there is nothing wrong with a larger Beneteau, and much right, especially because you already know the boat inside and out. But there’s also nothing wrong with sticking with the boat you know best of all - the one you have.
Thanks for the video, very cool to see some of the new boats out there. A couple of notes: I think the Excess has the same hulls as an equivalent Lagoon (lots of space, but lower performance). On used Hallburg-Rassys, careful of the DC electrical system which uses a proprietary digital switching system that comes from Sweden. Hard to debug without their tech on board or sending hardware back and forth. Beautiful boats though, and they really do sail everywhere.
When I first looked at the video I just assumed you were at the Miami Boat Show, not the Düsseldorf Germany Boat Show. Watching the video, I was amazed by this Boat Show, and with most of the manufacturers based in Europe, I can understand why this show is in Düsseldorf.
Ryan and Sophie’s Boat Choice? Going from the fantasy world of Oyster, Halberg-Rassy, Amel etc. to the more realistic, I think perhaps a Used Beneteau Excess might be a good choice when they become more available. I hope Beneteau has redesigned the bulkheads in the Excess stronger than their Lagoon 450?
Hopefully your Spring renovations to Polar Seal are going well!
You do you, of course! When i see these boats i see a lot of complex systems, these windows in the hull are beautiful no question but how long are they watertight? 2 ruders outside of the centerline, bolted keels. Those boat look beautiful in a marina for the sea I would prefer a older Island Packet.
I've watched a couple of your vids so far and they have been great, but listening to Sophie's humor and wit won me over, so new sub here, and my personal favorite was the cat. Merci!
Thanks Mike!!! 😍
All right, it’s good to see you back Enjoyed the boat Tours
Great Video! Very interesting to follow your thoughts for the purchase of a new boat. At least Barnacle got a life jacket. Not to forget, It was nice to meet you there in person.
for approx 600 euro you will get a good st francis 50. very well built sth african cat. far better in every way than a new excess. one just sold here in nz for 950 nzd, very well looked after and spec.
Welcome back and thank you for for a great episode.
A question… why not Moody or Sirius DS?
We have the older version of the Wauquiez a 47 pilot Saloon and its great but not a lot of storage in the galley unless doing as i do using storage behind the sofa in the saloon. The big windows give great visibility, light and airflow. We has turned the aftcabin satie and vanity desk into a working area.
A used Wauquiez 47 PS would give you a budget alternative to the new 48 you looked at and yes another foot in the galley would greatly improve the galley
Good to finally see you back team. Hopefully Ryan sells lots of batteries. Given the subject matter, I predict you will get 200k views and 10 million comments on what is the best boat , monohull vs catamaran, and encapsulated keels vs Beneteau bolt-on. Apparently, they are always in danger of falling off. Shots fired, I shall sit back with my popcorn and watch the banter.
Hahaha 😂😂😂 I think that Ryan selling lots of batteries will get us closer to a new boat than CZcams. Ryan isn’t ready to put his butt on display in every thumbnail yet 😆
You guys are hilarious! I love your Boot coverage. Had my hubby drooling over that Halberg-Rassy, but alas, we have no bag if cash either.
You have a pretty good perspective, a common budget view of what builders are offering. The view from the builders is that if you want to be paid more for a boat than it costs to produce it, build a boat that people with millions would be willing to sail away from their million dollar homes.
My solution to your stated needs would be to make your spaces convertible. An unused cabin should easily convert to a workspace with a folding desk. Noise canceling headphones would help isolation/concentration.
What amazes me about recent boat inflation is how it has left used boats behind. IMHO a high quality refit yard would be a greater success than any new boatbuilder.
I enjoyed this video very much. So glad you too are living the dream. I sold my Ben 40 "Karma" a year ago, and I started looking for another boat six months ago. Guess what - I just bought another Ben 40 and I am hoping that the bottom inspection goes well tomorrow.. For the price point, you just can't beat this boat if you find one that has been well cared for. BTW - I'm chartering a Ben 46.1 in Greece in two months. Can't wait - it will be a nice treat! It is scary how expensive new boats are these days.
So awesome! The Bene 46.1 is really nice, and Greece looks great. Have fun! 😍
Yayyy ! Was amazing to meet you guys ! Love the Barnacle ❤ and wow the catamaran is incredible ! Good luck shopping 💪🏻
Have ya'll looked at Seawind, the 1160 40 feet has great room and fast. The 1260 is even bigger. And of course the New 1370, it has every thing a Cruiser would want as standard on a Boat, like water maker and Washing machine, solar panels. All from 550 k. to 600 k. And then there is the New HH cat's. They are around 800 k.
SovThank You So much for this week's video. Loved it.
Ok until next time, Aloha from the Big Island of Hawaii!
P.s. Who knows maybe ya'll well sail to the Big Island someday.
The Seawinds do look interesting! But we’ve never gotten to see one in person, which is definitely something you’d want to do to form an opinion :)
My favorite boat is the one you guys already own... it's still a dream boat for many of us !!! I'm so glad you guys are back !!! Don't ever forget...yours already has a washing machine in it !!!
Nice to see you back!
Wow, great job and reviews. They were all great. The excess had very odd feeling non-skid when we looked at it, but the dual helms were very cool. You should come visit us on our boat. I would like to get your opinion on it.
Lol. Ryan says aluminium and Sophie says aluminum. Love it.
Tough choice between the Beni and the Cat. Since I would be single handing I think it might be the smaller cat. Turn one of the extra bedrooms into a office and you are set.
If you are looking used then there are some affordable options in larger sizes. It all depends what you plan to do and your priorities. McGregor sold his 76ft for under $200k a few yrs back. You can find niceAmels and Garcia's for 200-300k. There's old racers that you can convert (may be a complete new line of videos for R&S, turning an volvo 60 into a cruiser!), Perfect project if you need to be based in the states for a few years.
But a Gunboat cat would be nice
I had bought a Sirius 40 DS with a twin keel.
Stefan
They’re awesome…wish they did a 45 foot version…
Wonderful tour, but still loving Polar Seal 🙂❤
I’d love to help you buy that Oyster, but you convinced me to buy it for myself instead. Thanks for the inspiration!!
Me and my family lived on a Oceanis 45 for two years and I have nothing but good things to say about it. We are now looking for the used Oceanis 55. It has the space and performance.
Sophie's french accent is so beautiful to listen to but I don't think it's ever been quite so appropriate as when putting the final nail into the coffin of Ryan's sartorial style with "gross shoes!" :-)!
21:54 great summary, would be very interresting to see 40-45 ft range. 2nd. Question, why not a dufour?
Now that video was real fun!
When the catamaran is the budget choice, then the list maybe a too ambitious :)
Amazing how you can run into some people you know at these shows. Some difficult decisions to be made.
Hi Guys, the new Hanse 460 would've been worth a look....Single rudder and no shaft drive are the 2 downsides. Cheers.
Hanse weren't at the show 😢
Totally! I have heard that from several cruisers about getting snubbed. It's really stupid.
I will highly recommend their online Corse it’s really well put together with loads of great tips, great couple to bump into at the boat show.
Aaah thanks ladies! 🥰🥰🥰
For me and my tastes I will always chose a catamaran for traveling around the world. It gives me more safeness sensation than a monohull. Maybe for your favorable features that you are looking for, respecting always your budget, it’s a catamaran length 15 mt your best choice. There are many one out there can satisfy all tastes. For performance or comfort or both.
Well written. nice voiceover and very informative. Period.
I know you guys probably are aware but I’d really be wary of the hull width on that Excess, at 38 ft she’s the same waterline length as our 2012 Seawind 1160 but damn those hulls look nearly twice as fat. I’d worry she’d be a dog punching into the waves and would not sail in light airs. To give a comparison we sail 8 knots in 10-12 knots of wind on an original main and jib (no downwind sail at the moment as I have a patch to put into our asym). She can even hold 6 knots in under 10 knots of wind (without the asym the best we’ve done as newbies is 6 knots in 7.5 knots of wind - and believe me we aren’t racers so that’s all the boat, not us). We also sail with a full live aboard payload. Before you go Excess I would seriously try to talk to current liveaboard owners to figure out real world performance (yes no fly bridge improves things but those hulls are a red flag)
lol.... i always have a great laugh with your chanel... Thanks Sophie for that :)
I'm absolutely thrilled to see you folks making video again, thank you! Just curious, what are the main reasons you two are considering a monohull over a catamaran?
You will also get a lot more boat for your money if you like Beneteau to go for a used Beneteau 57. A total different yacht to the Oceanis and far better blue water hull design by Farr Yachts design so you just know it will sail well and be comfortable.
My wife and I have also been looking at used boats. Started down the catamaran route, but after doing an ocean passage from Hampton VA to Antigua on a Hanse 508 and having arrived several days ahead of any of the cruising catamarans and then hearing how much pounding they took during the same trip if felt like there are to many compromises to the joy of sailing. You start off your video and outline the criteria, one of the key ones being performance as you want to sail faster, yet non of the boats (except the Wauquiez 48) reviewed fit that criteria. Something like a used Grand Soleil 46LC fits that criteria better and it likely in budget. Often you hear people say we are not racers so don't need to go fast, but performance is actually about the boat sails in light air (can it sail in less than 8 knots true), but at the same time a modern slippery boat is easier to handle and can do well to put the miles behind you.
If you can't get the Allures/Garcia, then -- SUGGESTION -- Go buy an Amel 54 in great condition or a Hallberg 53. They are well within your price range, are large enough, have huge storage, lots of "work" room, have both a washing machine and dryer, have two heads and are super strong. in fact, it may be a better over all sailboat... It would be ideal for circumnavigating... Give it a try.
Ever consider a 'used' Oyster? I've noticed quite a few come to market once the owners have circumnavigated, or when they want to upsize in order to circumnavigate... so the 45ft to 55ft range of boats post 2000 are around the 200k to 400k mark, of course with newer 525 /545's models around the million. Wouldn't take too much to make any of those ready for single/short handed sailing. After all, an " Oyster" is an "Oyster" and to my mind the pinacle of cruising yachts.
there's the Kraken.. RBBM (Ryan's Big Bucket of Money) would need to be emptied/refilled a lot but they look really nice. Or an old Swan in the 50' range because I love boat rebuilds.. and Swans..
Boatshows are great for dreaming but good for comparison too.
Did you look at the Elan stand, if so what were your thoughts? My wife and I looked at their GT6 and it shot straight to the top of our lottery win list 😂❤
Great to see you back guys x
Just get yourselves a couple pairs of the infamous sea sickness glasses! They look very sporty & word has it they make your boat look bigger so wham Bamm problem solved!? ; )
Interesting video, keeping your present boat is my recommendation, keeping your small-boat fans happy.
Great video!
That budget stuff is soooo annoying but keep looking for the money bag and than buy the oyster with HH interior finish.
I know, I’m having Ryan work hard at finding us a new boat 😆
TQVM...
Did you look at the Contest 50 CS as well?
A 50' boat comes with a very large carrying cost.
Great to see you back.
When I was delivery crew on an Oyster 485, we were docked in Gibraltar and the Oyster 495 hull #1 got a birth next to us.
Later in the evening the shake down crew were having sundowners and I just boldly went up to them (with my own beers of course) and asked if I could come aboard. They were very generous to say yes and I got the full tour. They even opened up the engine room and other technical hatches. I must say I was amazed by that boat. Probably, well most certainly my dream boat. It did have a slight different configuration than the one you saw on the boat show however that is logical because every Oyster is build how the owner wants it, everything is customisable.
Aaaah yes Oysters are so dreamy 🥰 how fun that you got to visit the 495! We almost got a test sail on it, but it never happened
It's funny we are also in the world where our dream boat has effectively two offices. But the point you make is the right one if you have millions to spend on a boat, it's probably not the only millions you have and you're probably not so worried about "working" from your boat.
Also random question, what's a reasonable boat to net-worth ratio? Feels like the value of your boat shouldn't be more than 25-50% of your net-worth?
Think of Beneteau as the Toyota of cruising boats. Can't go wrong if you look after it.
Affordability isn’t always about having a bag of money. If you have a steady flow of much smaller money bags, you can achieve the same. Euro1.6 million is 13,500 per month over 10 years. That is Ryan handing his monthly directors salary to bank, and you both live on the CZcams income….plus Sophie’s consultancy fees. You can buy things on as little as 1% interest I’ve seen, so work the numbers, and live in the present. Cash flow is everything.
I thought the Excess cats were just dressed up Lagoons… 😉 but the HR sure looks fine to me.
I like the Oceanis 46.1 but Shoal Draft is too deep at 5ft 9 inches. Silly Twin Rudders too ? Though an older Oceanis, I think can have better Draft and single rudder ? Maybe Jeanneau 469 ? 🤔
Pegasus 50 might fit your criteria. My dream boat :)
still in love with my Beneteau Sense 50 price was 300k like new, 5 years later its worth 400k
Love your little Dog!
Oyster is on my dream board 😂
Kraken 50 worth considering
Sure thing!
OK, how about taking over Dashew's Beowulf, assuming it's still for sale. 78 foot 20-knot schooner with thin fin keel. Needs electronics upgrade. But extensive use seems to have dropped the price quite a bit.
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Have you considered a custom Dutch build aluminum sailboat, like Paul and Sheryl Shard (Distant Shore TV)? With prices asked for new boats, a somewhat smaller but well-designed for your specific needs may be an alternative. Cheers.
We are actually considering it, but “smaller” is not an option. Size is the only aspect of a boat that you can’t retrofit!
@@RyanSophieSailing I was thinking "smaller" compared to the behemoths for $10M+ at the show. Cheers.
Hello! I recommend you also look at the aventura catamaran, very good performance and a good price
Great video! I vote the Allures!
Being a sailor only in my dreams and my opinion with $5 will get you a coffee at Starbucks. Of the choices provided the 595 is a beautiful boat. However my choice would be a Amel 50
1. Kraken
2. Amel 50
3. Allures/Garcia
4. Passport
Less exp
Amel 54/55
well....mabe you cant get those boats. but who are we looking at right now on youtube. you are making us dreams and how many people you making dreamings. You made your opportunity that you are right now. I have to work 70 hrs per weeks and have a hard time to have a weekend to bring my famely. This summer is going to be my first week off since 24 yeas in the summer that i dont have to take in the winter. we have a hunter 336. keep doing your video we realy like thems.
Great episode and good luck on finding the next boat, how exciting!!
Please for the love of all things holy do not follow in the footsteps of the herd of youtube sailing channels that have sold their boats in the past year and now are waiting for the perfect next boat or are building a boat. Endless months pass by all the while the channels pump out crap content because, well, they're not really sailing channels anymore.
Ah, the risk of that happening is fairly low, there is still quite a bit that we can do with our current boat :) but there could be a world in which we have a new boat built and have to sell the boat while the new one is in construction (because our finances wouldn’t allow us to have both at the same time). We’ll see what happens, but we are in no rush!
Hey Ryan & Sophie! Love your boat tour from Germany . It’s exciting when there is possibly a newer Polar Seal in your thoughts. Boat Shows are a start, you both look marvelous. Barnacle is so cute, adapting well.
very nice
Always enjoy your videos. Have you considered the Ovni 450 yacht? Aluminum and there should be used boats available. 👍😊
Who doesn’t like a smart, attractive French woman who speaks sailboats. And the dog! Fantastique.
Am sure you have considered but in the catamaran range what about a Nautitech 40 Open or a Seawind 1260? - Performant, well built, price friendlier than most
Thanks for sharing this wonderful video with us. 🎉 Luv you both and your puppy. Best always from Australia down under.
Welcome back!!!
I clicked and hope to bring you closer to the Allure. I saw it as well and started to play the weekly lottery 😂
Thank you, every bit makes a difference 😂
My two cents :
Alu is only relevant if you intend to go to high latitude (or for way bigger boats), and in high latitude you may want a pilothouse. Allure doesn't fit this goal.
Wauquiez is very nice, maybe the galley isn't much bigger than your actual boat ?
The oceanis is good for the budget, maybe not fast enough without some sail tweak tools (no main track for example)
Halberg : good but pricey, it's also not that fast
The cat... well, personally I wouldn't buy a budget cat for traveling the world, but that's personal.
Anyway, like you said you'll not buy a brand new boat ^^
Cheers
Nice video. It seems that with Sophie's sea sickness issues that a CAT would be a must.
Actually catamarans can make a person even more seasick because of the jerky motion. Ryan gets seasick in catamarans 😆 thankfully I do not have that issue.
Great Video been Missing you Guys
I just hammered the "Like" button. That's one less like you need on your way to Baby Shark levels of Virality.
Thank you… every bit counts, or as we say, the small rocks make the big mountains 😂😂😂
Wait another year. You’ll be able to pick up lightly used boats at a fraction of the cost of a new one. This will be especially true if you’re cash buyers. Then set up a trust company in the BVIs with your dog as the only beneficial owner. Register the boat in Road Town and save 20% VAT. Same with your CZcams income stream.
I have the Oceanis 50 from the same series as Polar Seal. its turned out to be a fantastic boat for us at a very competitive price point for a fifty footer.
Interesting , 53 years since I was sipping beers by the River in Dusseldorf :-)
I noted your criteria about the boat you want , budget came last :-)
Yet blew you out of most of the boats , and the galley ?
You mentioned performance , and then forgot about it , no one really at the helm , once at a spot , drop anchor .
The journey and the destination .
What do you want the boat to do ? 4 guests on charter , less space for you both .
I go for function over form , yes all the wood work is fabulous , at what cost ?
The hull , sails , electrics and mechanics , I leave to the builder .
Interiors to my specs , I would be paying for it !
Work tops granite , all 'wood work ' marine ply , varnish /paint .
You want to open a door that can cost $100 or $1000 , it is a door .
My currency is in the toilet , @ '72 levels could be in the market .
What layout suits you best , 2nd hand needs repairs , new would have a warrantee .
As for the appearance of your husband :-)
Many many years ago , an hippy visited here in RSA , stayed in all the good places , was a photographer and a tech guy :-)
Hej, bonjour, hi… while at the show why didn’t you ask Johan at Sailing Ran to build an additional boat for you? 50FT on a budget delivered in Skane… Francois (Frasse)
Fantastic review of the boats! We look forward to more.
Think my very distant cousin is building your boat in Sweden, he is as detailed as Ryan with cabinet making skills. A cabinet maker wins the Great Texas 300 every year, why attention to detail. Sure Johan @ Ran Sailing would just crank out another hull for you all.
I have never felt snubbed looking at any builders boats. Regardless if it was Oyster, Hallberg Rassy or one of the mass production boat builders.
Great on you two ❤from 🇨🇦
What about Hanse, or Jeanneau?