Chris Webber vs. Kevin Garnett in a do-or-die, buzzer-beating moment needs a deep rewind
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- čas přidán 28. 11. 2023
- It's 2004, and the Sacramento Kings and Minnesota Timberwolves are in the final seconds of a prolonged, testy battle to determine who advances in the playoffs to face the mighty Los Angeles Lakers. Poetically, the deciding moment -- either overtime or game over -- comes down to a fascinating, longstanding matchup: Kevin Garnett vs. Chris Webber. To appreciate this moment, we should understand the intertwined history of those two revolutionary players.
Directed and edited by Brian Torres
Written and produced by Seth Rosenthal
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Having never seen this moment before, I was so confident Webber was gonna make the shot, and was genuinely sad when he didn't.
Now THAT'S some good storytelling.
It's so fascinating looking back on this series as the last time both the Sacramento Kings and Minnesota Timberwolves were truly relevant in the Western Conference landscape. Now, nearly 20 years later, after combined 30 year playoff droughts, they both appear to have rebuilt themselves into serious contenders once again.
I still wanna see what MN looks like in a 7 game series. Anthony Edwards is the truth though.
The Kings and Wolves are nowhere near serious contenders 😂
@@cottonmather8146you do NOT know ball
@@cottonmather8146the Timberwolves are currently the 1# seed in the west they are contenders are idoit
@@cottonmather8146 Thats such an idiotic wild comment lmao. Do you like even watch the nba? follow the stats and standings? X3
I'll never forget 2004. My best friend died the next year and Sacramento was his team! Man I watched so much Kings basketball and played so much NBA LIVE 05. Man I miss him. 😔 Rest in Peace, Jeremy Owens. Miss you, brother 🙏
This Sacramento Kings team was so good and so deep. The tough Western Conference, foul play by the refs, and Chris Webber’s injuries limited them to getting an NBA Championship, possibly solidifying Chris Webber’s Hall of Fame case much sooner.
Was the West REALLY tough? From 1999-2010, it felt like the Lakers/Spurs Invitational
@@chrisuncleahmadBasically. It was especially after refs play for the Lakers play for the many of the playoffs. Spurs won 4 Lakers 5 from 1999-10
Your forgetting bout the suns I blame Robert Horry
@@Bigedub101 The West was very deep during the early 2000’s. The East wasn’t very strong, having the Nets, Pacers, and Pistons as true contenders. But entering the mid-2000’s and 2010’s, teams like Miami, New York, Boston, Pacers, Bulls, and the Cavs started to balance out the difficulty in both conferences.
@@guillermoportillo7949 the West wasn’t deep, it was top heavy. LA and San Antonio basically carried the conference for eons
It’s always so heartbreaking to see c web fall to the ground after that miss
Dam near teared up
It’s like watching the infamous timeout call in the NCAA final. You hope something else happens…
Even Garnett looked down and started approaching him.
Feel you.
The in-out shot is the culmination and the confirmation of the end of prime CWebb, which began with the foolish alley-hoop attempt in 3rd Q of 2003 WCSF G2 (opposite Dallas).
@@OrionOodama yeah that knee injury really took the rest of his career. It’s so sad because at a time he was def on Duncan, dirk , Garnett level
That Garnett explanation of him being ready for war is insane 🤯.
They left out the Vlade Divac interview where he called him out on it and KG apologized.
You can make an argument about Chicago or any big US city being a warzone, but it ain’t the same as bombs, missiles & tanks.
The way in which Seth told this story and broke down the narratives surrounding makes this one of the best Rewinder episodes in recent memory in my eyes
Seth goated
Seth is really good. The two other people are just not in the same league.
I have never related/felt bad for an athelete than I do for Chris Webber. Such a high level player who was seemingly cursed to never get over the hump and win a championship. His whole NCAA/NBA career he had huge mistakes or hugh heartbreak and that is super humanizing for me and I just feel for the dude. Always loved seeing him on TNT covering the NBA
As a wolves fan- He’s GOATd. We wouldn’t have KG without Webb.
agreed except for the tnt part - specifically his colour commentary on the broadcast. didn't think he was very good at that. did like him in the studio though, especially back in the day with GP
I agree CWebb doesn’t get enough praise for how nice of a player he was
It's so crazy that how Garnett and Webber played at the 4 back in the 90's and early 00's is just how star centers are expected to play now
They helped break the mold
This game basically change the future of the Sacramento Kings as this turned out to be Chris Webber's final Playoff game as a member of the Kings which is part of the demolition of those Kings teams of the early 2000s.
After this, they wouldn't become relevant until De'Aaron Fox arrived especially last season's first Playoff berth since 2006.
Stop lying this was not Webber’s last game as a King
@@e.k.5657 My bad. I just edit it. That was his last Playoff game as a King just to clarify.
It changed with that 03 knee injury. Tragic. This was such a fun team. DAMN I wanted them to beat the Lakers.
They were Suckramento for so long after.
Funnily enough this was also the last time the wolves would make the playoffs until the Jimmy Butler year (17-18). The next year Cassell and Sprewell wanted more money and the team kind of imploded. Then KG eventually wanted out and was sent to Boston. Some dark years in there, but seems to be looking up for both franchises now.
That early 2000's Sac Town team was one of the most complete teams assembled. The bench mob was what stood out to me. That bench would slot into the game play their hearts out night in and night out.
2003 was the best chance for Rick Adelman and the Greatest Show on Court era Sacramento Kings to win it all.
Unfortunately, Chris Webber tore his lateral meniscus in his knee against the Dallas Mavericks and it snowballed from there.
It's crazy to think that nearly 20 years ago teams would score 80+ points the entire game. Now that's the first half of a game
It's crazier yet to think those 80 point games were more exciting too
@joshlewis575 yes bc the whole league wasnt all buddy buddy and they actually took pride in playing straight up lock you down defense.
they was making good money for the times but now Jordon Poole gets $125mil GUARANTEED to shoot ridic 3's and not play ANY defense
if theres any mmargument about "eras"...i love this one bc it was the bridge between MJ and Lebron eras
you started seeing the crazy athletic freaks show up AI, Tmac, Vince Carter, Yes KG...never seen before type players....But you also had the old heads like Vlade smoking cigs before the game and still trying his all to lock you up and get physical
Crazy in a sad way, I would say
@@lillagahnavich7700or it was just simply because illegal defense went away which allowed bigs to clog the paint more, and the league hadn't adapted yet by bombarding threes? It's not that deep fam.🙄
@@wesleyprince3465exactly! And the pace was super slow (average of 90), the 7 seconds or less Suns would be last in pace in todays NBA. Plus teams took at least 30 mid range jumpers with more than half the league shooting below 40% on these, ouch! I'm 40, understand the nostalgia, but lets not forget these ugly parts as well. For every rushed 3 taken now i can show you a missed 20 footer in the 90s/zeroes, not sure why that is more exciting...
We will never see basketball as great as the 2000’s Western Conference against. So much talent. 50 win teams were getting the 8th seed.
Funny how the lakers won 4 championships that decade to the spurs 3, Kobe outscored all players for the decade, yet somehow the 2000s belongs to Duncan or even lebron to some people.
@@ogloc4478bit arbitrary. Spurs won in 99. So from 99-07 they & the Lakers won the same amount. Except Duncan won 2 MVPs…
@@Sticktothemodels I think there's a couple of issues with that..
1.) Kobe at minimum should have had 2 MVPs in the 00's and there's a damn good argument he should have had 3. It's completely absurd that he only had 1, but as we all know that award isn't actually given to the MVP it's given to whoever the media decided to push a narrative for that year. The same reason that Robinson got it over Hakeem in 95, Malone got it instead of MJ in 97, and Embiid got it over Jokic last year...
- Even if you insist on including the 99 title to make it 4 each when we're only referring to the 00's (even though it was a weird, flukey lockout year title and if we are gonna do that why would we not also include Kobe's 2010 title to make it 5-4? Talk about arbitrary) the Lakers just beat the Spurs head to head in the playoffs more (Kobe was 18-12 in the playoffs vs Duncan). Watching Kobe's complete and utter destruction of the Spurs in the 2008 WCF sealed it for me - I just can't put Duncan ahead. Incredible player... Greatest PF ever, but he's not ahead of Kobe, he's just not.
@@Sticktothemodels that only occurred once smooth brain
@@Sticktothemodels and the 2000s western conference will never be greater than the 80s and 90s so be quiet
I'd like to note (even as a KG fan) that KG stuck his elbow right in Peeler's chest, before Peeler swung back. So KG wasn't innocent in that exchange.
True but peeler elbow him the play before
I don't think you can ever call KG innocent in any situation. If he gets in a fight he probably not only deserves it but started it.
It's what made him a great player and all time instigator
Facts lol..KG was sneaky dirty and always been🤣
@@alexanderadonyae7937 no he wasn't,
He like to trash talk.
Name one NBA player that said that kg was a dirty player.
This Wolves team would have made the Finals if Cassell hadn't gotten hurt. I will go to my grave thinking that. Beyond that, I don't know what would have happened, except that Wolves-Pistons would have been the rock fight to end all rock fights. Wouldn't bet on the winner, but I would bet my soul that some sort of Finals record for low score would have been set. Two absolutely insane defenses.
2006 Mavericks/Spurs Game 7 needs a deep rewind
1991 world series deserves a deep rewind.
Ive seen so many videos on the subject on CZcams I thought SB already did one lol (Not counting the Pretty Good Lonnie Smith video by Jon Bois.)
Id recommend Jolly Olive's vid on that series.
@@bmac4Jon Bois is the goat!
I was at that insane game 3 of this series back when I was in middle school. Peja & Bibby went nuclear down the stretch to force OT. I just looked it up, they were down 11 with 2 minutes left. Half of Arco had left, but the rest of us who stayed absolutely lost our minds. If they win that game it doesn't even get to game 7.
I was praying so hard for that C-Webb 3 to go down at the end. It was shame seeing how badly it ended with that ACL tear taking it's toll on him physically. So much talent on that squad, Gerald Wallace couldn't even sniff the court all year.
It was a looooooooong wait, but I'm glad we get to light that beam now!
Not to mention Kings blew game 2, let that game slip out of their hands.
80-83 in the fourth of a playoff game is peak 2000s dead ball era basketball 😭
That was like good for east teams in that era..west teams usually better like kings lakers mavs spurs
Thats so heartbreaking. Such a let down career for c webb. The timeout, this, 2002 etc. still a legend
If there was ever an NBA player I felt bad for, it was Chris Webber. Imagine being 20 years old in Webber's shoes after that Michigan State Timeout thing. And then in the NBA he was always just a bit short of making it to the finals. He fought so hard and his Kings never had a true shot. I think that moment crippled him in future clutch moments
Michigan not Michigan State but I hear ya
KG has one of my favorite "games" of all time. Weren't too many bigs playing like him before he showed up. Prime Big Ticket was so fun to watch.
Seems to me after the initial celebration, KG immediately looked for Webber. I dig that.
From 1998 - 2006 the Power Forward/Center positions in the NBA were AMAZING! I’m honestly grateful to have lived through those days. I loved how the big man was dominant through those years.
The Wolves and Kings have always been in very similar situations. After years of no playoff success the kings are looking like a top 4 team in the west, and the wolves are looking like serious title contenders this year. Hopefully we get to see them in the conference finals
I’d love a playoff matchup between these two. Young guns battling it out
These two teams have been stricken of playoff success. Minnesota has won 0 titles, and Sacramento hasn’t even been until recently since 2005 or 6. Good to see them do well again.
What a rich and deep odyssey of Sacramento Kings basketball. 1985-now has felt like 1001 stories within one franchise moving to a new market. I unfortunately never got to witness the greatest show on court (I was busy sucking my thumb and learning to walk) but to see such a fascinating community and culture foster from this era is incredible. So thankful that basketball is in my home town of Sacramento. Things are looking up
You missed it
Here we are 20 years later, same day, same scenario
Finally a Rewinder with Seth again
Sick, more NBA SB Nation content that I’ll rewatch at least 20 times
I think I’m addicted
Don't look for "pretty good" series, or Dorktown, or chart party. You'll have a worse addiction.
That shot rattling in and out for C-Webb was one of those instances where it symbolized the beginning of the end of that Kings era of Basketball under Rick Adelman. That 3-year period (01-02, 02-03, 03-04) were the Kings best opportunity to win it all and its unfortunate that so much of what they did from 1999 to 2006 get little recognition.
Those Kings teams played the most beautiful basketball I've ever seen. Weber, Vlade, and Brad Miller were 3 great passing big men and Adelman designed the system around that. And controversial take, but i think 03-04 Kevin Garnett is the best player I've ever seen play ball. I know Haralobos says it's the most impactful offense/defense season that we have data for.
Actually, it was Pete Carril who developed the Greatest Show on Court era Sacramento Kings offense with Rick Adelman.
Unfortunately, those Kings will continue to be overlooked because they didn't win it all.
Kings first error was not retaining Hedo.
@@karlanthonymargate7362 And also Scot Pollard.
Wally Szczerbiak catching strays, damn.
Wally is a legend.
Still a kings fan from those early 2000s teams. That was the night that that magical run officially ended:(
Glad we’re finally back
Seth's narration still remains second to none in the sports world.
My two favorite players of the late 90's early 2000's.... I went to Michigan because of Webber and the Fav 5 and was upset that KG decided not to come and go straight from high school to the league.
Having watched this game a ton of times and seeing how the crowd was so into it is amazing on itself...Their 1st game 7 in Minnesota this is a must watch game KG was EVERYWHERE even though he likes to get his teammates involved in most cases but this game he just completely took over on a whole different level...Peak KG is the best PF and a top 10 talent of all time for that 03-04 season Haralobos says it's the most impactful offense/defense season that we have data for.
Who else feels really nostalgic when they see that old TNT scoreboard graphic?
I feel nostalgic knowing no one in the 2004 playoffs is in the current nba and lebron is the only player left in the nba that played in the entire year of 2004 even going into mid 2005...
not just Webber and Garnett, but there was also Shaq, Duncan, Nowitzki, Gasol, Yao Ming, Rasheed and Ben Wallace, Kenyon Martin, and Jermaine O'Neal, this was the greatest era of big men in the NBA
On any given night, you could turn on the TV and see some of the greatest bigs of all time go to WAR against each other. Some absolute MASTERCLASSES were put up. Early 2000s basketball was a different time.
Damn I know it has probably been commented before, but I will say it again... I get chills watching these Rewinder videos especially, regardless if I know the outcome already or not..Amazing work and much appreciated
love how you breezed over C-Webbs injury
Sacramento Kings of that era for my favorite team but I remember how many times they broke my heart. It was more than any man ever did.LOL .
Id love to see an SB long form Documentary on the nba bubble. Storylines, moments, rewinders…
This was an awesome presentation. Thanks a lot.
I LOVED watching both of these teams through the early 2K’s.
This is arguably your best rewind yet 🔥
Great video 👏🏾
Thank you for giving the world the context these two teams needed. They’ve been so bad for so long, many viewers of this channel weren’t alive to see any of these series play out.
To allow fans to see and understand when these two franchises weren’t the laughing stocks of the league, that’s special. From Sacramento, with love. Thank you.
I’d like to think you keep making content like this because I need it
Amazing as always
Great content, subscribed.
This takes me back and man ... that was heartbreaking.
Kevin's list height is only an inch taller than Chris's which seems crazy to me
Depends on the team during the height measurements. A team might measure with shoes on, another team with no shoes. A team might also list a player a few inches shorter to avoid that player being the center for the team.
@@targetegrat duh.
This is why SB is the best NBA content online. Thanks!
Awesome video.
This guy makes good videos. Good job man
I freaking love this channel, specifically your basketball content.
SETH NEVER STOP
CZcams is pushing it by giving me two 15 second ads that I can't skip back to back
Love your videos, from 🇿🇲
Love the vid, I was a huge fan of both of these teams. Really wish they both could have won one in this era
Another great Deep Rewind! 🙂
I miss this era of basketball sooooo much, ty for the reminder
I went "Aaahhh" when he missed that shot, i seriously thought he was gonna make it. In and out man, great video
Finally! they brought back the og dude. Been waiting for this man forever
This really threw me back to the first season that I actually followed (at age 9). Great stuff!
I don’t leave tons of comments but this video was well done. I knew the ending already but was on the edge of my seat because of how the story was told
Opening up a new Secret Base video and hearing Seth or Clara's voice is just goddamn satisfying
Legendary basketball games & moments forgotten because neither team won a chip that year , thank you for highlighting these
LOVE ALL DA EPISODES!!!!
Great video. Now just just patiently waiting for Draymond vs Gobert beef video.
Oh I’m so ready for this
Beautifully done 😔😔
Great video. KG is underrated
Yes! We need more 00s era Kings content, please.
20 years later another wolves game 7 second round
Thr Wolves are in 1st place in the West right now and this drops 😅
2nd best record in the nba behind Boston. Let's go!
I was thinking this probably last time Minnesota seen #1 seed in 20 years
Kings are doing well too. Ended the longest playoff drought in NBA history months ago and look like a threat in the Western Conference again.
@@MNSportsJunkie101 The Kings are about as a threat as the 2010 Blazers. If their offense isn't clicking, they have nothing since their defense is weak. They're a 2nd round exit at best
These battles were legendary between these two
Sacto! Thanks for that Seth. Props from a Sacramento native.
Sb nation is the best channel on yt hands down
Anthony Peeler was the first basketball card I EVER got wayyyy back in 93. crazy
YES, he’s back narrating 🫶🏻🙌🏻
Great rewinder as always. Does the NCAA not want to let Secret Base get highlights for the Webber timeout game because that’s the rewinder everyone wants to see?
Kansas vs. Memphis. 2008 national championship. Mario's Miracle deserves a Deep Rewind.
Been asking about that for 3 years now…
@@homunculusSZNYep and will continue to do so until there's a video.
THANK GOD IT’S SETH!!!!!
I remember this like yesterday and this was on Kevin Garnett birthday too
I remember seeing this from synthetic sports 2002 Sacramento Kings video and thought it was something you guys would be covering lol
"The Vanguard of the power forward position"? At this point in time, Tim Duncan was the best PF in the league and already a 2 time champion.
Best sports channel on the planet and it's not even close
Game 6 of that conference final needs a rewind!!
This was a more interesting time where players would score a basket in an intensely difficult defense which made me believe that NBA players are superhuman for such feat. Nowadays, there's no defense. The rules are leaned one sided to the offense that playing the game no longer separates NBA players from casual pickup games.
The 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s NBA teams will thrive in today's three-point happy NBA.
This is art.
This may be the best rewinder I’ve ever seen
When the greatest dynasty to never win a championship ends 😢
google the word "dynasty".
@@damirvujevic2685 Maybe you don't read the rest of the phrase that I wrote after the word "dynasty"!
@@jomei63 I read it. You still didn't google it, I see.
@@damirvujevic2685 You are not funny.
At least I know what "dynasty" means.
They did it again.
Seth, I love you.
I love your videos 💯 can you my more rewinds with Kobe or the 2020 lakers
wow, that last shot of kg almost immediately looking around for webber and going to hug him, just so cool
It's criminal the way Minnesota wasted KG's prime. Just imagine what could've been.
That being said... he kinda blew the defensive assignment on Webber here, got lucky that the shot didn't fall
I mean, there's a reason why Rip Hamilton ripped Kevin McHale to his face live on tv a few years ago over McHale passing on him in the draft (and hinting at several other bad moves McHale made). He damn well knew the Wolves could have/should have been way better, and he is a prime example of it. Thank god KG did win a ring somewhere, it would have been depressing if he never did.
Word! I was at this game. And most others those years. When I eventually gave up my season tickets entirely because of McHale’s ongoing role at the club.
This should be the only narrator for these series it’s not even close 💯