Indeed, my favorite view as well. They should cut the trees blocking the view in most places. Way too dangerous going into blind corners. Also, it would be easier to remember the track with more visual aids.
The game Grand Prix Legends was set in 1967. Racing on the Nurburgring was crazy. So many turns, I lost where I was. Then the dips and crests threw the car everywhere!
Instead of saying that something should be done, not knowing if it is done. Perhaps you can ask if it is done. There are nothing wrong with spending 30 minutes on google.
I would have killed to go see the Grand Prix from 1967 at the Nürburgring Nordschleife with Jackie Stewart, Jim Clark, Graham Hill, Bruce McLaren, John Surtees and Dan Gurney. Sadly being born in 1993 I couldn't see it
Same here. Born 95. But actually my dad and his dad spent much time at the ring years ago ;) I spend most off my free time there too :D We live next to the Nürburgring, so thats why :D
Went round the Ring in 1976 as passager to Jackie Stewart on a camera Capri. Wasn't gunning it but it was then I realised I would never be a racing driver.
I was lucky to have seen the 1967 GP, was an great period, remember the old Ring-atmosphere very well, you can´t compare those magic days from those epoche with the fences-atmosphere from today....i miss the old, real Ring
Today we can produce much more agricultural goods on less ground. The landscape of 1967 was formed by the agricultural needs of the time from 1800 till 1950. Hardly any food was imported, people used local wood for building and heating. Today Germany and the whole of middle Europe have more forests than anytime in the last 1000 years.
Not sure about the agricultural part, but definitely agree on the overuse of wood for building and heating. I used to live near the Westwall and could never figure out why all the bunkers were in the middle of forests. Then on a winter day, with no leaves to block the view, I noticed that these bunkers gave excellent fields of fire over the valleys...back then there were far fewer trees!
The history is magnificent. I spent a good half hour looking at the first comparison of the Exit Hocheichen pics. It's simple what the differences are but it's still incredible to look at, it looks like two totally different worlds. In a lot of regards I guess, they are.
Would love to have tried lapping the original north loop and the south loop. To have a time machine tour of the decades 1927, 37, 47 etc and to do it with both modern machines but also something from the era. Great video going back to the older shot again after was a nice touch. A longer version of this would be well received :)
The view at Aremberg is still there, behind the small row of trees at the edge of the track is a farmer's field. You can stand on the softly sloped edge of the mountain, in summer you could sit on the haybales that are stored there. It's the best view in that part of Germany, but also definitely the best view you could find on or around a race track.
0:40 The view puts the whole track into a beautiful perspective. On the new Nordschleife, I always feel a bit like in a tunnel because there is way too much vegetation! I feel like the track loses its connection to the surrounding topography. I'd feel much more immersed if I was aware of what hills and villages I'm going around. It's hard to see the greater context if you can't see a good view, not even from the higher points of the track.
Safety aside, the old one had a "backroad" taste that the new one has definitely lost: today, it simply looks like a very dangerous racetrack. In 1967 it felt like an ordinary road closed for racing, non too dissimilar from the Mountain in the Isle of Man, Clermont Ferrand, or the legendary Lario Circuit, even though The 'Ring was built purposefully for racing. A totally different "flavour". The bright side: the original layout is still active and used without big modifications, unlike the vast majority of circuits born in the first half of the XX century.
I really like how it kept the roots and the corners are like 100% the same and you can really recognize it, I like that they didn't changed much even though f1 won't race there anymore
The old pictures must be even older than 1967 since they depicts the older "narrower" karusell which only existed before 1966 when it was rebuilt. The one from 1966 onwards is still the same as today with more space on the inner side of the banking.
I'd love to see the whole lap. The guys that drove on this track in 67 were boarder line nuts Scare place particular in wet.Drove past line this track it's very green here and very forested, beautiful country.
You can get a similar set of reactions by checking out the various 1000km races run at the Mt Panorama circuit in Bathurst, NSW, Australia. The scenic tour (complete with opportunities to fall of the mountain) have been replaced with wall, safety barriers and sand traps!
Wow, how did they come up with the name "green hell" back then? Forestation increased in every picture! At least concerning the surroundings the Nordschleife grew beautifully in that period.
The nickname Green Hell was give to the Nürburgring by Sir Jackie Stewart, because it's a track that mostly lead's through the forest. So it's therefore pretty green, and it's hell of a ride and very dangerous to drive. Obviously I am not quoting him on this one, it's just a rough explanation how the Ring got this name. His original explanation may vary by a few words but the meaning is right.
@@lucaheinrichs I know how the track got its name, but given how little green there is on the old pictures it seems a bit odd to give it this name considering how vegetation thrived since then. I thought the forests were nearly as impressive as today back in the days...
@@mueesli4745 Oh sorry, I kinda missed your point. That's indeed an interesting thing to notice. Sadly I wasn't alive back then, so I can't tell if those few pictures really tell the full story, but I could ask my parents if I don't forget about it when i seem them next time. Oh an the pictures from today are pretty accurate.
Nearly identical pavement layouts. The forestry around the track has aged significantly. It seems like the land was rather barren in 1967. Could this have been because of WW2?
WW1 mostly, they needed a lot of timber WW2 as well, and lots of bombs dropped on Germany not just in the cities, fighting with all the trees now would be much more difficult (for the allies anyway)
@@giveall9695 it didnt look like that in the natural way. The whole of europe was basically just a giant forest. in the middleages up until the 18th Century they cut down every tree they could find. only in the later history people started to care about the forests again and raised them up from the ground.
Apparantly the 1967 race was covered by German tv in colour. It would be amazing if that footage came to light. The Ford Cosworth promotional film 9 Days in Summer is good but seeing Jim Clark's 8 mins 04 seconds pole (10 seconds quicker than anyone else) in video would be awesome.
Kinda feel like I'm the only one who likes the current forrested track much more than the old one. Don't know, it feels a bit like due to the trees, you're even more secluded from the outside, which makes the track even more intimidating
I believe that those pictures must be from before 1964 as it was around that year when the Karusell was made to look as it does today. Before 1964 it looked as in the video without any asphalt on the inside, just a paved ditch. I don't know if they changed the radius as well but the picture(s) can't be from 1967.
wonderfull comparison, but i must confess. The ring from 1967 was so much better, yes more dangerous, but it still had atmosphere, that´s missing today
So it’s not the hills, but the trees that made this track so dangerous. If we cut those trees, we will not only have better view, but also huge run off area. Maybe also widen the track and replace the curbs so that F1 cars can run there again.
Based on other period photos from the Nurburgring, those 1967 images seem very sparse in terms of forestry. Might there have been a significant period of timber extraction in the period prior to those wonderful photos being taken?
Actually, the Sudschleife never had the same importance of the Nordschleife. It was just the "short version" of the Nürburgring. Except historical reasons, there were no reason to keep that track when, on late 70s, was decided to build the odiern GP circuit.
Conclusion, the Green Hell has getting much greener over the decades.
The trees have grown. What a surprise. 🙀
the greener hell
people don't need to go in the forest and collect firewood anymore... most of the european forrests are much healthier than in the 60s or 70s
Meanwhile in Brazil, the Amazon rainforest has getting much less greener over the decades
@@Catalina._ yup its the world we live in
Out of all the nurburgring videos ive seen on the web, this one is by far the coolest!
Same.
Seems it like more fun to drive back in 67 since you have a grand vision of the road ahead. thanks
I totally agree with your comment. Thanks for showing this to us Bridge to Gantry
The same feeling i have by racing both versions in simulator.
@@ninjapandabelou Which one?
@@SuperGeronimo999 Assetto corsa
yeah
@ 0:40 , that view man, wish there wasnt that many trees now.
xXxSikMLG360 NoScoperxXx i guess it's kinda the same view a second later when you pass those trees in a car like that z4 in the footage ;)
why not? I think they make it look even more beautiful and
Indeed, my favorite view as well. They should cut the trees blocking the view in most places. Way too dangerous going into blind corners. Also, it would be easier to remember the track with more visual aids.
Yehh nice view!
Great pictures, should allow a game developer to use these, would be great to see a 1967 nordshleife on games?
There is a MOD for Assetto Corsa
The game Grand Prix Legends was set in 1967. Racing on the Nurburgring was crazy. So many turns, I lost where I was. Then the dips and crests threw the car everywhere!
Assetto corsa bud
czcams.com/video/bwiwDm5HB9s/video.html
Instead of saying that something should be done, not knowing if it is done. Perhaps you can ask if it is done. There are nothing wrong with spending 30 minutes on google.
Man the old one looks so nice tough
I would have killed to go see the Grand Prix from 1967 at the Nürburgring Nordschleife with Jackie Stewart, Jim Clark, Graham Hill, Bruce McLaren, John Surtees and Dan Gurney. Sadly being born in 1993 I couldn't see it
Same here. Born 95. But actually my dad and his dad spent much time at the ring years ago ;) I spend most off my free time there too :D We live next to the Nürburgring, so thats why :D
Both were marshals during events on the Nordschleife :)
We all know the track inside out :)
Went round the Ring in 1976 as passager to Jackie Stewart on a camera Capri.
Wasn't gunning it but it was then I realised I would never be a racing driver.
I was lucky to have seen the 1967 GP, was an great period, remember the old Ring-atmosphere very well, you can´t compare those magic days from those epoche with the fences-atmosphere from today....i miss the old, real Ring
Analog cameras should make a comeback, the quality is crazy. No pixels
No pixel but still had resolution limits. And it is compare to 10-15 megapixel.
Today we can produce much more agricultural goods on less ground. The landscape of 1967 was formed by the agricultural needs of the time from 1800 till 1950. Hardly any food was imported, people used local wood for building and heating. Today Germany and the whole of middle Europe have more forests than anytime in the last 1000 years.
maybe is a CO² thing too. More CO² = much greener.
@@partikelsmusic more the other way around: more big trees, more carbon fixed 😉
@@partikelsmusic more the other way around: more big trees, more carbon fixed 😉
I think you meant 100 years?
I don't think there was less forest in 1020 than there is now?
Not sure about the agricultural part, but definitely agree on the overuse of wood for building and heating. I used to live near the Westwall and could never figure out why all the bunkers were in the middle of forests. Then on a winter day, with no leaves to block the view, I noticed that these bunkers gave excellent fields of fire over the valleys...back then there were far fewer trees!
You did a really great job matching the focal length and angles of the original photographs. Shame there isn't more of it.
ikr its propper inpressive
Most kids will be surprised how good the graphics were in 1967. ^^)
1967 was the early beginning of trees on Earth. Amazing to be able to watch it
My dad grew up in the 60s. He had a pet Dinosaur
The history is magnificent. I spent a good half hour looking at the first comparison of the Exit Hocheichen pics. It's simple what the differences are but it's still incredible to look at, it looks like two totally different worlds. In a lot of regards I guess, they are.
All the trees grew! love that
Wow what a truly gorgeous place to just drop in some tarmac and call it a race track back in 67 the views look fantastic. 🤯😎
imagine a whole lap from dashcam in 1967... would love to see it
Would love to have tried lapping the original north loop and the south loop. To have a time machine tour of the decades 1927, 37, 47 etc and to do it with both modern machines but also something from the era. Great video going back to the older shot again after was a nice touch. A longer version of this would be well received :)
Un grand merci pour ce partage. Je suis né en 1967, et j'ai (heureusement) beaucoup plus changé que le Nürburgrig : )
I really dig the scenery of the older Nordschleife
The view at Aremberg is still there, behind the small row of trees at the edge of the track is a farmer's field. You can stand on the softly sloped edge of the mountain, in summer you could sit on the haybales that are stored there. It's the best view in that part of Germany, but also definitely the best view you could find on or around a race track.
0:40 The view puts the whole track into a beautiful perspective. On the new Nordschleife, I always feel a bit like in a tunnel because there is way too much vegetation! I feel like the track loses its connection to the surrounding topography. I'd feel much more immersed if I was aware of what hills and villages I'm going around. It's hard to see the greater context if you can't see a good view, not even from the higher points of the track.
Most of the trees from 67 are still there. Touching !
Safety aside, the old one had a "backroad" taste that the new one has definitely lost: today, it simply looks like a very dangerous racetrack. In 1967 it felt like an ordinary road closed for racing, non too dissimilar from the Mountain in the Isle of Man, Clermont Ferrand, or the legendary Lario Circuit, even though The 'Ring was built purposefully for racing. A totally different "flavour". The bright side: the original layout is still active and used without big modifications, unlike the vast majority of circuits born in the first half of the XX century.
Beautiful to see this as one who lives near the nordschleife
Thanks Jack
Damn! I always wondered how well GPL recreated the old ring. Well, I literally get flashbacks from those old pictures!
I like the atmosphere in the '67 photos... So much less trees and other flora.
I really like how it kept the roots and the corners are like 100% the same and you can really recognize it, I like that they didn't changed much even though f1 won't race there anymore
Nice to see how the trees are still the same😏
Amazing how similar it actually is.
Die Strecke wirkt in alt noch zehnmal gefährlicher! Wahnsinn. 😯
Simply wonderful. Thx a lot
Oh, god! Why this video is so short? Wanna more, much more!!! :-)
Seriously, thanks for sharing, it's amazing!!!!
Those were the only image Jack took that day as far as I could find.
Great pictures. Thank you!
The old pictures must be even older than 1967 since they depicts the older "narrower" karusell which only existed before 1966 when it was rebuilt. The one from 1966 onwards is still the same as today with more space on the inner side of the banking.
What an excellent video!
I like how 1967 has less tree but 2014 has so many trees
just to perfectly name as the green hell
Absolutely brilliant. Big thumbs up for this video.
I'd love to see the whole lap. The guys that drove on this track in 67 were boarder line nuts Scare place particular in wet.Drove past line this track it's very green here and very forested, beautiful country.
You can get a similar set of reactions by checking out the various 1000km races run at the Mt Panorama circuit in Bathurst, NSW, Australia. The scenic tour (complete with opportunities to fall of the mountain) have been replaced with wall, safety barriers and sand traps!
First pic looks so good would compliment any wall if it was a printable picture. The track looks better with less trees.
We want more, we want more, please
Amazing pics man.Nurburgring always mean auto passion
Very cool to see, thank you.
Nicely done (the montage ) ;)
Wow, how did they come up with the name "green hell" back then? Forestation increased in every picture!
At least concerning the surroundings the Nordschleife grew beautifully in that period.
The nickname Green Hell was give to the Nürburgring by Sir Jackie Stewart, because it's a track that mostly lead's through the forest. So it's therefore pretty green, and it's hell of a ride and very dangerous to drive.
Obviously I am not quoting him on this one, it's just a rough explanation how the Ring got this name. His original explanation may vary by a few words but the meaning is right.
@@lucaheinrichs I know how the track got its name, but given how little green there is on the old pictures it seems a bit odd to give it this name considering how vegetation thrived since then. I thought the forests were nearly as impressive as today back in the days...
@@mueesli4745 Oh sorry, I kinda missed your point.
That's indeed an interesting thing to notice.
Sadly I wasn't alive back then, so I can't tell if those few pictures really tell the full story, but I could ask my parents if I don't forget about it when i seem them next time.
Oh an the pictures from today are pretty accurate.
Well done. Great pictures
BTW Grand Prix Legends made a good computer circuit of the 1967 Nordschleife.
GPL was the first game to implement the Green Hell. Now is quite common to find this track but most version are the modern one.
Very interesting, thanks for upload.
Thank you! Great stuff.
Geile Zeitreise 😁👍
Huge concrete plates on carousel haven't changed since 60 year's. Dope 🤣
Nearly identical pavement layouts. The forestry around the track has aged significantly. It seems like the land was rather barren in 1967. Could this have been because of WW2?
WW1 mostly, they needed a lot of timber WW2 as well, and lots of bombs dropped on Germany not just in the cities, fighting with all the trees now would be much more difficult (for the allies anyway)
That´s not the because of WWs, the nature looked like that, we have much, much more trees today.
@@giveall9695 it didnt look like that in the natural way. The whole of europe was basically just a giant forest. in the middleages up until the 18th Century they cut down every tree they could find. only in the later history people started to care about the forests again and raised them up from the ground.
Great Video from the year I was born
anybody notice how much longer the run between Qudiddelbacher-Hõhe and the entrance to Flugplatz was in 1967 than today?
Apparantly the 1967 race was covered by German tv in colour. It would be amazing if that footage came to light. The Ford Cosworth promotional film 9 Days in Summer is good but seeing Jim Clark's 8 mins 04 seconds pole (10 seconds quicker than anyone else) in video would be awesome.
I think there is actual footage on you tube available though.
Wow that shit looked terrifying
You forgot to compare the Porsches who are always on the Nürburgring 24/7.
Wonderful video!
I didn't expect this
I dont wanna say this but the trees on the side of the track blocked the view of the lovely landscape
1967: I can see, I can see
2014: I'm goin' blind
Respekt echt cool gemacht
Danke! :D
Great stuff
Kinda feel like I'm the only one who likes the current forrested track much more than the old one. Don't know, it feels a bit like due to the trees, you're even more secluded from the outside, which makes the track even more intimidating
Truly legendary curcuit
awesome!!
AMS 2 brought me here and very soon AMS 2 will take me there :)
so many trees compared to the past
damn
Great work!
Very cool one
We decided you didn't need all that visibility so grew loads of trees. Now guess where the road goes.
Is it only me wondering about the amount of woods growing more nowadays? I thought it is the other way around...
Nurbugring is still alive but i miss the old
Well let us be honest..
This and the autobahn and the only things that make Germany famous right now.
Great video. 1967 version looks so much nicer
I believe that those pictures must be from before 1964 as it was around that year when the Karusell was made to look as it does today. Before 1964 it looked as in the video without any asphalt on the inside, just a paved ditch. I don't know if they changed the radius as well but the picture(s) can't be from 1967.
wonderful
Это трасса легенда!
20km and 65413 turns and the only I remember is the Karrusel
Super!
geil. danke
Great video
wonderfull comparison, but i must confess. The ring from 1967 was so much better, yes more dangerous, but it still had atmosphere, that´s missing today
Romantic strasse
So it’s not the hills, but the trees that made this track so dangerous. If we cut those trees, we will not only have better view, but also huge run off area. Maybe also widen the track and replace the curbs so that F1 cars can run there again.
We want back analog cameras!!!!
And People still say we have less Forests and Trees nowadays
brilliant! Daumen hoch!
in 1967 hat mein Vater einen Fahrlehrgang bei Scuderia Hanseat gemacht.
This actually makes me sad but i dont know why 🥲
Based on other period photos from the Nurburgring, those 1967 images seem very sparse in terms of forestry. Might there have been a significant period of timber extraction in the period prior to those wonderful photos being taken?
probably Germany needing timber for ww2
@@anthonyhauser3467 Good thinking!
@@anthonyhauser3467 there would've been 20 years of potential growth, which would bring saplings to the height of mature trees
Amazing ! Thx
fuck yeah jack that was killer
Why do the lack of trees and generally the older track look make things look so much less intimidating and instead calm
The track in 67 i prefer the look of but obviously more dangerous if you messed up
'67 photos imo. looks better because trees doesent hide beautifull sight's like 0:40
Good to know that the quality is sill the same shit.
ace work
The trees are bigger now.
A lot of forests were cut during the resource push of WW2 and afterwards in the rebuilding too.
The old nurburgring is better and have sudschleife :)
Actually, the Sudschleife never had the same importance of the Nordschleife. It was just the "short version" of the Nürburgring.
Except historical reasons, there were no reason to keep that track when, on late 70s, was decided to build the odiern GP circuit.
Wonder if they are the same trees