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Forgotten History: NASA and the Sinking Spacecraft
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Fun Fact Short Circuits where common in the early years of space flight due to the very tight space, large power hungry electronic (pre invention of the transistors!) and lack of electrical insulation between parts all in an effort to save weight & space!
Modern Electronics being Transistor based and better much quality Capacitors as well as Short Circuit, Over Voltage, Over Heationg etc detection and prevention technology as well as lower voltage and better insulation!
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Electromagnetic Environmental Effects engineer for the US Navy here. The "static electricity" explanation is not only the best fit for the documented timeline (the hatch blowing the instant the "cookie cutter" touched the capsule), it is also a *known* risk that was pretty much ignored at the time - it took the USS Forrestal disaster to get the US military serious about isolating firing circuits from potential electrical events such as static discharge. Since about the late 1960s or early 1970s, such a firing circuit would *automatically* be electrically isolated from the structure to the point you could hit the spaceship with a bolt of lightning and it wouldn't fire inadvertently.
Static Electricity was not discovered in the 60s or 70s. In other words, NASA was extremely negligent and it cost lives. Negligence!!! Laziness, trying to beat the Russians for publicity, that's what it was. Don't take offence, it's not directed to you, but you know I'm right.
@@marlsberlin7716 People didn't really think you could get *enough* of a charge from static electricity to set off ordnance at the time, because helicopters lifting equipment with electrically initiated detonators was fairly new. So they didn't include bonding and ground requirements into their considerations - after all, it hadn't been an issue with ordnance on-board the helo, nor had it been an issue loading ordnance on the helo when it was landed, nor was it an issue with fixed wing aircraft. Attaching sling load hooks to armed, electrically fired, ordnance woth a metal on metal connection just wasn't that common an event then. And in the cases where it was an issue, you were generally working from a ship or the dirt, and could have the guys on the ground rigging the load ground out your hook.
Every lack of a safety consideration is fine, right up until something goes wrong. Then a new safety rule gets written and 60 years later people look back and say it was "obvious all along".
After being raised the Library Bell 7 received much of its refurbishment in my hometown of Hutchinson Kansas. It was always the highlight of our year when we got to take a science trip to see and even touch it!
I've been mildly obsessed with it and all the Gemini and Mercury missions since my early years.
Kansas Cosmosphere has done a lot of restoration work for the Smithsonian. Liberty Bell 7 was on display in Hutchinson during and after the restoration before being shipped to the Smithsonian.
Haha wild, I'm here in Hutch too! I used to love going to the Cosmosphere after school and watch them work on the Liberty Bell
Just went there a few weeks ago liberty bell 7 is back at their facility
@@ethanridgley2982 Nice! Didn't know it was back! It's been quite a few years since I've been there.
@@scrapjunkie551 I've always enjoyed the Cosmosphere. Walk through the exhibits then catch a movie on the IMAX. As a kid I got to watch it being built. See an SR-71 for the first time up close was wicked cool!
There is one huge thing this flight illustrated that is the need for Navy frogmen to immediately deploy for attaching flotation collars and provide rescue if needed. This was regularly for Gemini and Apollo. In fact we did lose a crew member after a high altitude balloon flight (the two crew wore spacesuits because they floated up to 100K ft), the balloon landed in Gulf of Mexico and one of them drowned. Kind of spooky because Grissom died on Apollo 1 which that flight illustrated need for non-flammable materials, quick open door, and not use 100% O2 at sea level pressure.
It's been said Grissom was the best qualified astronaut as he was assigned commander for first Gemini flight and first Apollo flight, and was perceived as first to step on the moon. It makes sense Gus was mostly angry and not scared when helicopters were first trying to retrieve the spacecraft and not him.
If Gus Grissom had not perished in the Apollo 1 fire it is likely he would have been the tapped to command the first moon landing. Maybe in some alternate timeline Grissom was the first man to walk on the moon.
He called the Capsule a lemon.
There was no way he would have left earth, let alone "go" to the moon.
@@silverwolf4095 Not sure what you are talking about. He flew in space twice, so he definitely left earth. Had he lived he would have commanded Apollo 1 and probably a later mission to the moon.
@@CrazyYog low earth orbit and "going to the moon" are not the same thing.
GG called out the bs and got killed accidentally.
As if it hadn't been known that a 100% oxygen atmosphere is highly flammable..
Ok
The footage of Gus on the recovery ship after he was rescued shows how pissed he was after this whole ordeal.
If you want to see the Mercury 7, it is on display next to the actual Apollo 13 capsule in the small town of Hutchinson, KS, at the Kansas Comsosphere Lab. The Cosmosphere specializes in restoring spacecraft, and is a fascinating working museum.
I was eleven years old when the apollo capsule burned and I remember the sadness I felt and it drove home how dangerous it all was which was something I hadn't ever thought of.
If I'm not mistaken that was the incident that really drove home to the American people the "cost" of reaching for the sun... :(
"Sometimes you get a pooch that can't be screwed, you know? Old Gus did alright."
-Chuck Yeager, "The Right Stuff"
"he was too distracted by the view to complete his tests"
he was only the second person to really get to experience that view personally... I'm not giving the man a damn bit of flak XD Just the thought that he was that emotional about it kinda makes me a little emotional XD but then again space exploration stuff usually does
Discover had a show a few years ago where astronauts talk about what its was like to be in space. They all mention how amazing the view is. Feeling what its like to be weightless would be awesome too. But thats easier to achieve with a ride on the "Vomet Comet" then seeing the Earth from orbit.
So wild to see this subject pop up. It was restored, and is now back on display just a few blocks from my house. I used to watch them work on the restoration nearly every day after school for a long time.
I'm surprised that there was nothing really said about the recovery, restoration, and tours the capsule has gone on.
Forgot one thing: Gus’s Gemini mission also had a screw-up. His co-pilot brought the first sandwich to space, a Ruben, in a zipped bag. Upon touchdown they found that they had overshot the landing zone by 100 miles or so. So they had to wait for quite a while to be recovered. Gus was hungry and it turns out that his favorite sandwich was a Ruben. After eating the sandwich, the sea became very rough and the seasickness caused a return of the sandwich. NASA was not happy about that one.
Gus took a bite of the sandwich while in space, not after splashdown as they kept their helmets on due to unexpected smoke from the thrusters. Also corned beef sandwich, not a Ruben.
This mission was Gemini 3.
Edit - words and added the mission
John Young was the co pilot...walked on the moon, flew the first space shuttle, and smuggled a sandwich.
@@codymoe4986 Legend.
I remember this being in The Right Stuff. They really played it up in the movie like some kind of drama.
"IT JUST BLEW!"
Actually it was, and the slight of his and his wife was real, compounded by politics in Washington at the time. The Grissoms weren't looking for a ticket tape parade, but just the local Pass in Review, attended by just a handful of dignataries, was a slap in the face. Remember, these men were the biggest thing since sliced bread. Heros before the public, but the Air Force decided to play the accomplishment down. It was sad at the time.
Who would ever have thought hollywood would play something up, it's almost like it's their job or something....
The hatch failure would comeback to haunt Gus 5.5 years later with that failure still a sore spot NASA designed the Apollo One hatch with Liberty Bell 7 in mind. What wasn’t covered here after Liberty Bell 7 was finally recovered form the ocean floor the hatch frame was discovered damaged from a hard impact on reentry when the capsule hit the water the frame was bent this has not been ruled out as a factor in the hatch failure.
What brave men and women all astronauts/cosmonauts are. I'll always salute their courage every time they light their candles, and venture where only a very few have been before.
Rest in Peace, Virgil Ivan "Gus" Grissom.
This is one of the least forgotten pieces of space history. There were some very interesting details though.
How come I didn’t know about it then?😎
So nearly everyone remembers it? Huh.... I figured Simon made the video because it was more obscure.
I’ve seen the capsule. When the Liberty 7 was recovered, it was sent on a tour. It ended up at the Indianapolis Children’s Museum as the “Lost Capsule” exhibit, where my parents took me to see it.
Just the other day I had a flashback to that seen in The Right Stuff, and I was wondering if they had recovered that capsule. thanks for a great video as always.
Hello, Simon. Loved the video, as per usual...just one note: Ad Astra Per Aspera translates to: To the stars through difficulties. Keep up the great work : )
In the Navy we have Red Danger Tags that are placed when people work on equipment. They are to prevent operations that could injury or kill someone. When training new personal we say that these are Blood Tags because someone bled or was killed to have them.
That's done in every field involving dangerous equipment. Lockout tagout
Goes right along with the emho checklists.
most safety procedures are written in someones blood
I like to call that move "The Character Assassination Of Gus Grissom"
I've read that they stopped the astronauts choosing vehicle call signs again after Charlie Brown and Snoopy were chosen for Apollo 10.
They didn't stop them (vehicles were named after that), but astronauts were told to choose "more serious names."
Kind of off topic, but I always found it funny regarding how absolutely salty NASA got when Gus Grissom named his Gemini 3 spacecraft "the Unsinkable Molly Brown" after what happened with his Mercury capsule. 🤣
Fun Fact:
The motto of Kansas, "Ad Astra per Aspera" is Latin for "to the stars through difficulties." John James Ingalls coined the motto in 1861 stating, "The aspiration of Kansas is to reach the unattainable; its dream is the realization of the impossible." According to the Office of the Governor of Kansas: "This motto refers not only to the pioneering spirit of the early settlers, but also the difficult times Kansas went through before becoming a state. The anti-slavery forces and slavery proponents waged battles in the electoral process as well as on the battlefield. Kansas earned the nickname "Bloody Kansas" because of the war regarding slavery, much of which was fought on Kansas' soil."
--Kelly Unger, 2009 to 2011
And yes, I am from Kansas. Great episode Simon.
Also a Kansan here... I chimed in too of course. ha ha
"What happened on that Papal day" CZcams subtitles always interesting.
The original pioneers of spaceflight including in Russia at the time were truly a ballsy group. Literally the go get em attitude and no fear, the people were amazing and we owe them a lot.
Reminds me of the quote: "The fact that every part of this ship was built by the low bidder." I'm amazed the rockets could reach orbit carrying those men's balls of steel.
Mark Watney makes the point in The Martian that there's generally nothing flammable on a mission because NASA hates fire, which I think is a subtle reference to the Apollo 1 tragedy.
The film "The Right Stuff" did not put Gus in a good light. Thank-you for researching this and putting the real story out there.
I was an Air Force ROTC cadet from 1964
to graduation in 1968 as a Second LT in
1968. Among the many things we did
during this time, such as visiting Grumman
on Long Island, NY, in 1967 to see a mock-
up of the Lunar Lander, was a trip in Jan.
1967 from Floyd Bennett Airfield in NYC
to visit Andrew's Air Force Base, near
Washington, DC. However, our landing
there was delayed due to a plane that
was bringing in the bodies of the three
Astronauts, Grissom, White and Chaffee,
killed in the Apollo One fire tragedy.
I will never forget that. I also found out
that Astronaut White was buried at USMA,
West Point, before I worked there as a
Civilian employee in the 1980's. Capt.
USAF, Reserve, retired.
Virgil Ivan "Gus" Grissom, RIP, fly on Gus fly on.
Native Kansan here. Our state motto is also ad astra per aspera. We were always told it meant "To the stars through difficulty"
Great topic. Controversy about the movie First Man aside, I felt they got the feeling right about the missions...like creaking and groaning of the spacecraft. And paid good tribute to Grissom et al with the Apollo 1 fatality. When you said they used enhanced footage to investigate the sinking of LB7, reminded me of Jeremy from CinemaSins "zoom and enhance cliche" always used in movies lol. Joking aside, thanks for posting this.
I am old enough to remember the death of those astronauts.
I remember this growing up, read the book, saw the traveling exhibit after it was recovered and cleaned up.
Every time the shot does that "jump" which looks like a few cut frames... Simon's shirt should change too.
I didn't realize that the Mercury capsule was so incredibly small and cramped. I followed the space program when I was a kid, but being born in 1963, the Liberty Bell flight was a tad before my time.
Ive always heard they recovered the craft and wondered what they found. Im sharing !
H.M.S. Boaty McBoatface (real ship) could get to the bottom of this...
There's a small museum in Spring Mill State Park (near Grissom's hometown of Mitchell, IN) for Gus that is worth a visit if you're in the area.
9:10 Right side of the image.
What was hanging below or behind the helicopter that needed to be poorly edited out?
So much copy-pasting of the waves all the way down the image. What was there that needed to be edited out?
Good video 👍
Born in 1926 during the second World War? Come on Fact Boy, your better than that. HAA!
Failing to proofread an original comment?
*You're better than that...
I thought he said “born in 1926, during the Second World War he trained to be an air cadet”
I'm surprised you didn't mention the ultimate recovery of the capsules. Gus🖖
It's funny to look at Simon's watch. It gives away the subtle cuts that one generally doesn't notice. Just noticed a bit where he's talking and then the face on his watch suddenly changes to something else. Unless the watch is just doing stuff smart watches do and there was no cut. To be honest, I did think it was an incredibly seamless cut. But I can't be bothered to learn about smart watches. I hate cell phones enough as it is. It's like trying to use a computer that's been crippled by removing everything useful, including proper input devices. If on-screen keyboards worked, autocorrect wouldn't be a thing. But you guys didn't come here to listen to me rant about how I'm old and hate technology... or did you?
A sad end to someone who was a pioneer of space exploration, but at least they learned from these mistakes, especially now that helicopters MUST ground themselves to the water before touching anything they're attempting to rescue...
This was a moment that I will always remember where I was when it occurred... like the Kennedy assassination and 9/11. I was visiting my brother when the news came on the TV one evening.
The news week issue that covered the Apollo one fire hangs on my wall. It's next to a shadow Box with a signed picture from Scott carpenter wearing John Glenn's HAV suit.
Oxygen is not a fuel for fire. It is an oxidizer, that which sustains a fire. The fuel was the material in the cabin.
"The pure oxygen environment exacerbated the fire." describes it better.
Bravo!
To think Guss Grissom survived this only just to suffer that horrible death in the Apollo 1 disaster.
Also fun fact about the Mercury 7, Jerry Anderson named the sons of Jeff Tracy in Thunderbirds after some of them
What Gus is sayin' is that we've got to change things around here
Gus Grissom was a great astronaut but The Right Stuff did him wrong!
Considering how spacecraft were not initially reliable (and built by the lowest bidders), they had better have continued with slow and deliberate progress!
Awesome
I saw that one on TV
had to sink it otherwise worldwide assimilation.
Poor guy. Gave his life for space and the pop culture version of him is unforgiving.
I, no lie, just watched the movie "Hidden Numbers" on Disney+. It is an amazing movie about this. I highly recommend watching it.
what happened to that other channel you used to have/were on? The channel like this one.... I dont recall what it was called. I know not very helpful but it was mostly like Today I found out. Just random interesting things.
CO poisoning in 1 minute? I don't think so.. Nice, comforting story though.
Skip to 1:08
Ad astra per aspira is "to the stars through adversity"
I jus follow Simon on the internet 🖖😁
Just for someone who was interested... Gus's last name is pronounced GRISH-um.
Humbly requesting George Carlin. A comedian and satirist who oftentimes hit the nail more than just on the head; and whose bits were infinitely more than just satire. The guy was a comedian, satirist, begrudged philosopher, and even the narrative voice of Thomas the Train.
🍻 lol
He was a prohet
Shouldn’t you request this on Simon’s Biographics channel instead?
@@N_0968 he requests it on every channel 🤣
@Joey R Oh, I see. According to Simon continuous requests make him do the opposite so I don’t think @Dank will get their wish.
well the ending was really sad
How very sad. Had they just listened on that hatch opening outward.
It seems weird that NASA decided on a hatch that took 15 minutes to open. That seems like too big a design flaw to be made by NASA.
> That seems like too big a design flaw to be made by NASA.
You've got to keep in mind that NASA was new to this at the time. This was only the second capsule ever to bring a US astronaut into space, after all. This sort of thing is precisely what these missions were for so we could do better and safer each time. For that matter, while spaceflight is relatively routine today it's still only just a couple weeks shy of 61 years since we sent the first US person into orbit on the 5th of May, 1961!
I really don't understand why we have to watch old films and pictures thru pretend creases and dirt I really annoys me, and on this episode particularly as the artificial age didn't move as the camera panned over the rocket photo...
Stop it
It ain't real and it ain't clever!
Its like calling tech support when the machine routing your call makes fake typing noises when you talk. Its not fooling anybody.
So many accidental deaths in NASA...feeling sad right now that I think about it.
Wally Schirra's last name is pronounced, "sher -RAH"
I pronounced it wrong, too, and it's not intuitive.
Wow
Haha I like how you're using me American (and proper) pronunciation of lieutenant.
Does it cause you pain?
Also, there was no Army Air Force. It was the Army Air Corps. Otherwise it was the US Air Force.
if that happened to me I would be also getting pissed off.
Though pulling it out of the water might have been ... challenging... a capsule filled with water in the water has the same weight as a capsule filled with air in the air.
Though I suppose there's a time limit, and it could have acted as a "bucket" for water below the hatchline making pulling it up out of the water, even slowly, impossible because of the water that would remain in the capsule as it left the ocean.
nasa made a spacecraft that turned into a submarine?
Hey, a multiple use vehicle! Works for me! 😆 😆 😆 😆
"You've never heard of 'Fireball XL-5', Sherman?", Mr. Peabody.
"You've never heard of 'Fireball XL-5', Sherman?", Mr. Peabody.
Please dispense with the phony dirt filter for old photos. It's very distracting and adds nothing.
Extraterrestrials exist XD heheh 😏 I was made a hybrid sooo I accept ^_^ anyways pretty rare yeh 👁🗨➕👁🗨 but yeh cool story btw I was also angry I was choking to death in school , right? And held my hands on my throat , and no one cares luckily a water fountain ( yes really) was across the hall and it saved my life .
safety rules are written in blood
But why you let your cat to pee over all the pictures?
Simon,
Interesting US fact: here it is illegal to SELL wormwood containing products. However, it is perfectly fine to BUY them. We can legally get Absinthe on the internet (from sources outside the US) and delivered to us here. Just fine to buy and drink all we want, but, we can't sell it. I say it is high time (no pun intended) that US lawmakers change the law making the selling of thujone containing products legal. Thanks.
Wait, really? Malort, the drink only Chicagoans could love, is a wormwood liquor, so how can it be illegal to sell?
@@samreid6010 2 possibilites:
1 the government dosn't know about it and you're getting away with wormwood
2 the product has been changed chemically so it is now legal.
Never heard of this liquor. Sounds interesting. Gonna look for it.
That crooked chair though...
Hmm. These ads are just as long and annoying as regular television.
First
Space is not the "wild blue yonder"... theres a hint there... space is not f'ing blue!
Would you please hire someone with the sense of a house brick to pre-read these things before you anchorman your way through them.... please!
"Gus Grissom, born April 3, 1926 in Mitchell, Indiana during the second world war"..... that war that didn't start for another decade?.
Jesus anchorman christ.
I know what you were trying to say there, but punctuation matters!
Almost made it thru this video before the madly obsessed producer drove me away at 12:00 in by starting to play the infantile repetitive background theme that might fit the atmosphere of a Saturday cartoon program for toddlers but certainly not this well told summary of the 2nd project Mercury mission and the ways it went wrong. I grimaced and groaned, then hit the dislike button and turned away in favor of other videos that don't insist on sliming the hard work of writers and editors with atrocious musical noise.
CAN YOU DO A VIDEO ON WHY CANADIANS USE BAGGED MILK LIKE WEIRDOS LIKE. THEY USE BAGS OF MILK
... what?
OK I GOOGLED IT WTF IS UP WITH CANADA
@@ZackKenin THATS WHAT IM SAYING! SIMON DO A VIDEO ON THIS PLEASE
Our milk is better that way
@@sandybarnes887 it’s really not though 🤷♂️
Why are hyper religious people called Bible Thumpers?
Disappointed you didn't remotely touch on the connection to p*rnography.
That is where the most significant detrements line, as it greatly over stimulates the drive to m*sturbate.
I recommend the book "Your brain on p*rn" if you want a meta analysis of the studies on the subject.
first
So much meaningless infro to the subject.