Powermate Generator Troubleshooting - Won't Start
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Picked up this generator that was stored outside and will not start. This video details the steps required to bring the generator back to good running condition.
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It's not often that I find a DIY repair video of the exact same model of anything that I happen to have that needs repairing! But I lucked out finding your vid doing exactly what I need to do on my generator! Thanks and well done!
Great video. You're calm manner makes it nice for the viewer.
thanks
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Easier to see the gas and water if you pour it into a clear drinking glass. Great video!
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I'm glad you are cleaning and painting the old muffler after all you try to save the old gaskets whenever you can
You kill me!!! I have a powermate 7200/5750 I got after Katrina. It's worked well in the past but I've neglected it. Today I drained fuel and it came out barf yellow. I shot some carb cleaner in where the fuel line connected, alas - it won't crank. I'm 74 and pulling that line - whew what a stress test. You are so calm and matter of fact. If I opened that carb that would be the end of that sucker! Thanks for some ideas. And the cord makes a terrible sound pulling it. I've got a nice 5 yr old Champion, smaller, but I got that cleaned and it ran a 1500w load an hour nicely. Change the oil and I'm ready for winter. Thanks for a relaxing and informative video.
Your output is greatly appreciated. Thanks very much for your help. Great vid. Great job.
I have the exact same generator (purchased in 2008) which needs a carb clean or rebuild. This will help tons. Thanks.
Ditto that, WaveDudeTX! Ditto that! He covered everything that I know my generator is going to need done to it! Cheers!
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Nice job. Your detail is great. Something old, works like new. A+
You have put together the most informative video that I have ever seen! Your attention to filming the detail is phenomenal! I commend you for your great work!
Wow, thank you!
I have this very generator, and a little fyi here, for me the times it failed to start it was a simple fix of changing the oil. Spray a little carb cleaner in the carb housing behind the filter and bam...starts right up. This generator is epic in that it will run for hours and hours.
Got 1 free last weekend. Float was stuck. Emptied a ton of fuel into cylinder.canged oil twice before it stopped smoking
Cardboard for a gasket? We used to use cereal boxes as gaskets when I was a kid rebuilding carbs. Slather some grease on, punch two holes for the bolts then press it to get an impression and cut along the lines. Easy.
I got one for 125. Has a Briggs 10 hp. Some parts are no longer available so had to hunt - needed a starter clutch, blower housing, head gasket, governor, ignition coil, and spark plug. Probably spent 600 total - but runs impressive... I mean better than my brand new tri fuel. UPS never complains
Those who buy these machines do not seem to realize that they are built for indoor use only. The power outlets for example, are of the ordinary indoor type, and will degrade after a short time, if they are exposed to outdoor weather conditions.
That's my favorite way to solder two wires together then silicone under the heatshrink.
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In the military, I sealed many a head cover with manilla folder and RTV.
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Los generadores Subaru te dan bastante guerras pero al final los dominas. Grande JAMES
I don't prefer Special K for gaskets I always use Fruit Loops for gaskets and a little Indian Shellac on both sides for a good seal. You don't want it too lean, it brings the hertz down, right? In a pinch I used a pen spring inside the other to stiffen it up until I get the right one, thanks for reminding me, it's been years. All jokes aside, you're excellent at what you do and you don't get enough comments.
Great video. I was looking for some information on this model for a friend of mine.
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nice work, I have the same generator. I'll be dropping it off to you later today for a tune up.
Very "Currier & Ives" atmosphere in the background.
When you need your generator and don’t have an intake gasket for the carb the lid to the cereal box is in jeopardy of having a gasket cut from it. Had to do it before myself. It ain’t ideal and should be replaced at first opportunity but not everyone has a pretty ready hands on supply of gaskets. LOL
Two surge control springs on Governor to throttle lever mechanism area.
Great video. My generator problem was gunk in the carburetor...Thanks for the help
Glad it helped
I like the white cup easier to see the dirt and debris "6 of 1, 1/2 dozen oft the other"
Given one with the Subaru engine just today. This video is getting a double play again when sun come up again. And I wake up.
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"This plastic tab is going to be a problem." Snip - Snip "Problem solved." That is called getting it done. Nice work.
James, You're a hell of a good small engine repairman! What state are you in? Great video.
How do I find new wheels? Hoping Harbour Freight has some that would work. Got a flat tire on Dad's old generator. I think that I could do that carborator with this video. Getting ready for Hurricane season. Thanks
Mary Wel I had saved the wheels from another generator that could not be fixed. Also Lowe’s would probably have something that would work. This tire at the following link might be a little big, but might work. www.lowes.com/pd/Marathon-10-25-in-Wheel-for-Universal-Application/1245631
The carb mounting gasket was probably Karropak, hence the "K" printed on it.
I'MMM BBAACCKK.
I continued with my cleanup of a Tecumseh 11hp. That fuel I had yellow, I just thought I cleaned the tank. I had to take it off and swush it clean. Got that cleaned. I did open the carb and it was full of yellow mess fuel, carb cleaner to all that. Took the float off, got carb cleaner blowing out all the holes. Oil, it was black yuck, drained and new oil. Oh yeh, just in case, a new plug. So I've exceeded myself and fresh gas. I pulled it some 10 times and it roared!!! Yyeeaaa. For some 6 seconds. No bad smoke. Just roared and ran, and friend - that was it. I've pulled, and choked, and choke off, and can't think of anything else. Fuel would drain at the carb easily so no blockage. I'm tired, but thanks for the example, the thoughts, and good video. And the fuel comes out at the carb line as clean as it goes in. I have a new champion 8750 open frame due in a week.
You would have made a great doctor, lol. 👍👍. Thanks for the interesting vid!
Very detail
Excellent video James! Do you happen to have a source for either a replacement carburetor or rebuild kit with gaskets? Thanks!
I have the same generator and can’t read the model number. Do you have that info by chance? Great video!
I prefer Pop Tart boxes for my gaskets LOL
I just bought a used unit that has a Briggs-Stratton 9hp engine. Everything looks real clean including engine oil and gas tank. But I don't appear to be getting any spark at the plug? I've check that on-off switch and it appear good. If I leave it out of the system then engine should run,.... is that correct as it is an off switch??
Brian
That gas actually looks good other than the water being in it. Most of the time if i think the carburetor doesn't need to be cleaned i'll do it anyway and i'm guilty of using pieces of a cereal box to make gasket still the right gaskets came in
Cereal boxes work well.
In the UK 50hz is nominal most likely someone used it to run a UK 50hz device.
Have you ever installed any Hobb meters on the engine for a total run time?
Looks like the same set-up as a Champion, only with a yellow adjusting screw.
I’ve never researched it and I’m sure the sparkies(electricians) came long before electronics techs. But, I wonder who thought it was a good idea to make the black wire in house /residential and industrial wiring the hot wire and the black wire the ground wire in electronics ckts. LOL.
I had one just like this
It was beautiful / looked like new
Ran like new
Only one question what are the little metal hoops below the electrical outlet for are you supposed to zip tie a power cord to it
Yes, kinda a gimmick, Run the extension cord through it so it does not pull out.
@@jcondon1 To remove the control panel, after removing the retaining screws you can lift up on the panel and pull those metal wire CordKeepers outward until they stop where they bend, then lower the control panel and worry it out toward the right (generator bell) side. (Or remove the gas tank as you did; mine was full.)
Learned so much from you. I have a 21 year old 6000 w powerback gen. with a B&S Indestructible Plus engine. 256427-1162E1. Made by Devilfish. No parts available. Gas tank has a crack i hope to plastic weld. Any clone parts you'd recommend? I think I can clean carb but wanted a replacement as a back up.
Tanks are hard to come buy unless a Honda clone. I have a plastic tank that could maybe fit. Email me a picture and some dimensions and I will double check.
@@jcondon1 Thanks James, I caught several CZcamsrs demonstrating plastic tank welding. It worked and the tank is sealed. The leak came from the tank bolts. Likely too much torque when built. Two of the other mounting bolts also had minor cracks but no leaks. I plan to add some rubber washers to those bolts when reassembled to isolate some vibration.
Sometimes you have to improvise if you don't want to wait on a gasket.
Low oil switch wire?
What kind of paint do you used on the stator?
It was Rustoleum. Most like their enamel line.
What are those stands you keep referring to ???
James , excellent video! I wish i was as smart as you. Can you help me out? I have the exact same generator as this one except mine is brand new that i have only used it for a grand total of half an hour before the power came back on about 7 years ago! It's been sitting in my garage all this time. I replaced the oil and gas and I finally got it to start by adding a teaspoon of gas into the spark plug hole. The unit started but it will only stay on for at most 10 seconds. Of course the plug is brand new and the filter is clean and i don't expect the carburetor to be dirty because it has never been used. Based on your abundance of knowledge, what do you think is wrong and what should i do? I am mechanically challenged.
Thank you.
If it runs when you put gas in the hole, then you know you have timing, spark and compression. But no fuel. Either fuel is not making it the carburetor or the jets in the carburetor are clogged.
great video, i have the same exact generator. i was thinking of converting it to an electric start any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks james
Have not tried that myself. If the engine has a location for the starter to bolt on, then it is possible. Would need a ring gear for the flywheel, the starter, starter solenoid like found in a tractor, wires, battery and a switch for the solenoid. Also there is no charging system, so would need a battery tentder to keep it topped off. All together I would probably cost around $150 to complete. Personally would look to buy a used generator with a starter and sell the one without the starter.
Have you ever tried Naval Jelly to remove surface rust?
No, but I have heard it works well.
Two comments. The first is trivial. The K on the cardboard gasket is probably the symbol that the food packed in that box was Kosher.
More importantly one thing I don't see you do when you are testing a generator is to either use a GFI tester on the the GFI outlets or at a minimum use your multimeter to confirm that ground and neutral are bonded on the generator.
If someone if going to use a generator to power their entire home using a transfer switch that doesn't switch both the Hot and Neutral then the NEC requires that the bond and neutral bond be broken on the generator. If the connection is broken then the GFI outlets will not work as designed. You are supposed to label it on the generator that the bond has been broken.
It is possible to power up a house with a relatively small portable generator so some day you may end up with a generator that has been modified to comply with code to work correctly when using a transfer switch or interlock with unsafe GFI outlets.
what fluids are you using in ultrasonic cleaner?
Harbor Freight Super Heavy Duty Degreaser
Alot of the water you find comes from ethanol fuel,it will settle after sitting
On the GFI, hooking the ground to the neutral pretty much defeats the whole GFI purpose. I'm not sure why it's hooked up like that?
Most generators are bonded between neutral and ground. Some have a floating neutral. The gfci though will still work since it’s looking for power on the outlet side returning on the ground.
I was given a generator w less than 1 hr but hasn't been started in 8 years.i totally cleaned carb inside out w carb cleaner,put new gas,new oil,new plug,fired up 2nd pull,turned down choke after 10 min then bogged down? Only runs when choke is full? Thoughts? Thanks
Most likely there is still something restricting the fuel flow in that carburetor. Another possibility is that the gasket between the carburetor and engine is leaking. You also may want to consider adding a heat shield between the exhaust and stator. For some reason that is missing on this model. Eventually the stator will burn up because of it.
James my gfci on ridgid generator keeps tripping. Any idea we'll be appreciated.
James, what is the gauge of rope you used to replace the pull cord with?
I use #5 (5/32”) and #5.5 (11/64”)
Great video and informative but didn't help me get mine started. I have the exact same unit. Gas is clean and flows to the carb. pistons move freely. I have a new spark plug and I get spark when I (well my wife while I hold the plug in place) pull the cord. So I know the switch is good. I also disconnected the orange wire going to the oil sensor to see if it was a bad sensor. I have sprayed into the carb and I can't get it to turn over at all. I am running out of things to check on this thing. What else can I look at?
Do you feel compression? When pulling the engine slowly, it should stop advancing on the compression stroke unless you pull harder. If good, then would check the spark plug gap. If too large then it will not jump the gap under compression. Also could be a bad plug or a weak coil. If you have compression then you should be getting something when spraying into the carb. My money would be on an ignition problem if you have good compression. The only other thing would be timing, but that is rarely a problem with generators.
@@jcondon1 The plug is gapped at .025. I do feel compression. The spark looked great when grounded. I'm not sure I'm getting fuel to the plug making me think clogged carb.
@@jcondon1 Well I pulled the carb and the jet was clogged but still didn't fire up. I have a coil on order so we'll see when it gets here next week. To Be Continued...
@@jcondon1 New coil installed and nothing. I'm now at a loss.
Did you ever get it to fire up? I have a very similar unit with 9hp briggs stratton engine. Everything looks great but no spark at the plug,..and its not the cutoff switch
What kind of cleaning stuff do u run in your ultra sonic
Harbor Freight Super Heavy Duty Degreaser
hi i have a generator just like yours but mine is in 1000 times better condition.
i bought mine new in 2006 from home depot for to much
we had a little power failure this morning and i went out to the garage to start the old
girl and she would not start at all.
i guess it is time to change the oil and spark plug.
this is one of the few times it has failed..
i am going to save your video for future reference........ GOD BLESS YOU and your family ...
It’s is a special K gasket
How many volts
I wish I could remove my "X's" that quickly. Lol
I have the same generator but mine will run but it takes many many pulls to get it to run. Any ideas as to what is going on.
Hard starting can be a lot of things. I would start with a new name brand plug like NGK or champion. Could be a weak coil, weak magnet on the flywheel, maybe the choke is not fully closing, clogged pilot jet or misadjisted valves,
It sat in the shop for 3 years with old gas in it, it did start using starting fluid. The gas was so bad it didn't smell like gas anymore. So I'm going to take the carb apart and clean it, that you for the reply. I really appreciate it.
@@jcondon1 ok got it running perfect. Bad fuel. Took apart the carburetor cleaned everything with carb cleaner. Checked the valves they where ok. Didn't even have to pull the cord out all the way, started first pull. Thank you for putting out these videos, very informative. And thank you for your suggestions on the problem.
Anyone know where I can get a float bowl gasket for this exact machine? I’ve been trying online but can only find replacement carbs. Any help is greatly appreciated
I believe the part number is: 279-62540-08. Search for that online and you will see a few options on where to buy it.
@@jcondon1 thank you so much James! Love your vids big fan. Brendan
Hi,
I came across your video on this model generator. I was given the same one but it was stored indoor garage so it's in great condition outside. The only problem is they left the gas which gummed up the carb and the gas tank was very dirty inside. The gas cap seal broke down and feel inside the gas tank. I just used a vacuum cleaner to suck out the oil gas and loss junk. There was even a gas can nose funnel inside, LOL...
I will change the spark plug, clean carb and change the oil. Also this generator was missing the foam air filter. Where can i get a new one?
Also how should i go about cleaning out the gas tank. I think they had a fuel stabilizer but no one changed it for years. The gas was red in color.
Any info would be great.
Thanks
Michael C you can order the filter from amazon Spree air filter compatible replacement for Subaru Robin EX27 EX30 air filter element www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDFCPVH/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_tdKPEbBMKFRF1
For cleaning the tank, you should remove it and wash it out with water. I then use a grabber tool OEM 25291 24-Inch Four Claw Pick Up Tool www.amazon.com/dp/B000CMFK0Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_ofKPEb3VC7R81 with a rag to dry it. It also work well for removing foreign objects from the tank. You can also just leave the tank in the sun to dry. Once dry I usually put a little gas in shake it around and use the grabber tool and rages to dry it again. Just want to make sure all the water is out.
@@jcondon1
James, thank you so much for the info. Again, the generator is really in great shape outside. The gas and carb is really the big issue. Oh yeah, and the air filter. I will get from amazon.
You save me a lot of with your video
Also I have worked on 3 of those generators over the years. 2 had bad stators. There is no heat shield between the muffler and stator which might be the cause. I am working on one now. Just replaced the stator. Going to try and install a heat shield from a Husky HU5000 part 638539002 which I think will fit. Will share that video link. It is a two part video neither has been released. Part 1 is troubleshooting no power. Will share part 2 which is replacing the stator and near the end I show the husky hu5000 heat shield. The video is not complete. Waiting on the heat shield. Also it is a husky not a Powermate, but from what I can tell they are almost the same.
At 26:40 I talk a little about the heat shield. This link will probably only work for a week or so. I plan on publishing this I about 3 weeks completed with the heat shield if the parts shows. czcams.com/video/V-6LqRCDE7k/video.html
I have same generator but mine when starts the idle is really high I tried to adjust the governor screw but not change
This video might help. Different generator model, but same engine. Make sure the throttle plate is not stuck and you can close it all the way. czcams.com/video/xlsTJcJxTqw/video.html
Hi and low idling
cereal box gasket.
Man! That machine has been abused!!
Damn shame how people leave good machinery outdoors.
I cannot understand it either.
i need a piston rod for this engine subaru robin E30
There should be an engine number on a white sticker that starts with EX30 (usually on the side of the blower housing). Once you have that, you can google and find the parts diagram.
I have same generator, it runs great, but makes no electricity
It is a common with these generator. They have no heat shield between the muffler and the stator. Just did a video on this recently czcams.com/video/4PpQ2Liatzw/video.html
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You realise, of course, that saying " I won't judge" intimates that somebody should, judge that is? Pretty judgy of you!
I hope you didn't pay more than five bucks for that generator. I see stuff better than that on Craigslist for free all the time!
That's a plane crash...
that gas had more water then my Scotch did back in the day