Are ~$400 GPUs ready for UE5? 7700 XT vs 4060 Ti 8GB vs 16GB - The Ultimate Comparison!
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Let's see how current $400ish GPUs handle Unreal Engine 5 games at 1440p and 1080p by pitting the RTX 4060 Ti 8GB vs the 4060 Ti 16GB and the RX 7700 XT against the latest UE5 games at a variety of graphics settings including Ultra as well as High settings and even FSR 3 and DLSS 3.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro- what are we doing in this series of videos?
0:25 Which GPUs are we focusing on in this video?
1:00 How much do these GPUs cost in the current market?
1:54 The used market can have much better deals on PC hardware!
3:09 How to tell if VRAM is causing performance issues?
4:51 The Talos Principle 2 1440p Ultra
5:36 The Talos Principle 2 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
6:23 The Talos Principle 2 1440p High
7:07 The Talos Principle 2 1080p Ultra
7:53 The Talos Principle 2 1080p Ultra DLS/FSR Q
8:39 The Talos Principle 2 1080p High
9:24 Lords of the Fallen 1440p High
10:17 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra
11:14 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
12:02 Lords of the Fallen 1080p Ultra
12:55 Lords of the Fallen 1080p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
13:49 Lords of the Fallen 1080p High
14:38 Jusant 1440p Ultra
15:18 Jusant 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
16:00 Jusant 1440p Ultra DLSS 3 Q w/FG
16:41 Jusant 1440p High
17:23 Jusant 1080p Ultra (Sorry, didn't get the avg on the 7700 XT here :(
18:04 Jusant 1080p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
18:45 Jusant 1080p Ultra DLSS 3 Q w/FG
19:27 Jusant 1080p High
20:06 RoboCop 1440p Ultra
20:46 RoboCop 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
21:27 RoboCop 1440p Ultra DLSS 3 Q w/FG
22:07 RoboCop 1440p High
22:48 RoboCop 1080p Ultra
23:28 RoboCop 1080p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
24:08 RoboCop 1080p Ultra DLSS 3 Q w/FG
24:48 RoboCop 1080p High
25:29 Immortals of Aveum 1440p Ultra
26:16 Immortals of Aveum 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
27:02 Immortals of Aveum 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q w/FG
27:49 Immortals of Aveum 1080p Ultra
28:35 Immortals of Aveum 1080p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
29:22 Immortals of Aveum 1080p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q w/FG
30:08 Remnant 2 1440p Ultra
30:51 Remnant 2 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
31:33 Remnant 2 1440p Ultra DLSS 3 Q w/FG
32:15 Remnant 2 1080p Ultra
32:58 Remnant 2 1080p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
33:40 Remnant 2 1080p Ultra DLSS 3 Q w/FG
34:21 Final Thoughts - Věda a technologie
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For $4-500 gpus we should be looking at 1440p base. 1080 cards should be in the lower 2-300 tier.
thats not what AMD or Nvidia want you to believe
That might be true for old games but these newer games are way more demanding....you are stuck on 1080p unless you spend more
@mybrotherjames8579 For what it's worth, I agree with you.
4060Ti is an amazing esports card
pricing is still crypto
Hi Daniel - I do appreciate seeing all these detailed comparisons, which help people make MUCH more informed decisions. Happy New Year & Take Care!
Timestamps dont seem to be working, so here they are as a comment.
0:00 Intro- what are we doing in this series of videos?
0:25 Which GPUs are we focusing on in this video?
1:00 How much do these GPUs cost in the current market?
1:54 The used market can have much better deals on PC hardware!
3:09 How to tell if VRAM is causing performance issues?
4:51 The Talos Principle 2 1440p Ultra
5:36 The Talos Principle 2 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
6:23 The Talos Principle 2 1440p High
7:07 The Talos Principle 2 1080p Ultra
7:53 The Talos Principle 2 1080p Ultra DLS/FSR Q
8:39 The Talos Principle 2 1080p High
9:24 Lords of the Fallen 1440p High
10:17 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra
11:14 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
12:02 Lords of the Fallen 1080p Ultra
12:55 Lords of the Fallen 1080p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
13:49 Lords of the Fallen 1080p High
14:38 Jusant 1440p Ultra
15:18 Jusant 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
16:00 Jusant 1440p Ultra DLSS 3 Q w/FG
16:41 Jusant 1440p High
17:23 Jusant 1080p Ultra (Sorry, didn't get the avg on the 7700 XT here :(
18:04 Jusant 1080p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
18:45 Jusant 1080p Ultra DLSS 3 Q w/FG
19:27 Jusant 1080p High
20:06 RoboCop 1440p Ultra
20:46 RoboCop 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
21:27 RoboCop 1440p Ultra DLSS 3 Q w/FG
22:07 RoboCop 1440p High
22:48 RoboCop 1080p Ultra
23:28 RoboCop 1080p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
24:08 RoboCop 1080p Ultra DLSS 3 Q w/FG
24:48 RoboCop 1080p High
25:29 Immortals of Aveum 1440p Ultra
26:16 Immortals of Aveum 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
27:02 Immortals of Aveum 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q w/FG
27:49 Immortals of Aveum 1080p Ultra
28:35 Immortals of Aveum 1080p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
29:22 Immortals of Aveum 1080p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q w/FG
30:08 Remnant 2 1440p Ultra
30:51 Remnant 2 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
31:33 Remnant 2 1440p Ultra DLSS 3 Q w/FG
32:15 Remnant 2 1080p Ultra
32:58 Remnant 2 1080p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
33:40 Remnant 2 1080p Ultra DLSS 3 Q w/FG
34:21 Final Thoughts
Could you look into the vsync issues with unreal engine games ? I game on a Sony tv(4k hdr 60hz)with vsync enabled and everything is fine other than unreal engine games . The 60fps lasts for 5 or 10 minutes and then gets locked to 30. Happens often if you use the menu or die in game. Once this happens the nvidia fps counter says 60 fps but the 99% fps is 30 ( which is actually right because I feel the laggy gameplay). Turning vsync off makes the game run good but the screen tearing is unbearable. Nvidia fast and adaptive vsync doesn't help with screen tearing. No solutions on the internet either. The only solution I found was turning vsync off and turning back on after some seconds. Tested this on lies of p , Hotwheels unleashed 2 , returnal , ghost runner 2 , lords of the fallen , batman Arkham knight. Same issue across all the unreal engine games. My gpu is rtx 4070. So it can handle more than 60 fps.
did the 7700 xt really barely break 60C ever? how? its like 100TDP higher than 4060 ti im so confused
Thank you for spending the time to make these videos, they are extremely in depth and super helpful, and a really enjoyable watch!
Your teaching experience really shows in these videos. I now understand so many concepts about hardware that make it easier for me to make decisions on what to buy or recommend to my peers.
I remember when UE5 was presented and one of its "goodness" was the possiblity to use top tier cinematic assets with a low impact on performance, thanks to Nanite and Lumen, and here we are, quite the opposite, a graphics engine that honestly It is not worth it, it has caused more problems than anything else and reveals (once more) that the most important thing a is good art direction and not just graphical power, there are "inferior" graphics engines that achieve better results when they are in the right hands and run like butter , UE5 has disappointed me, I prefer Capcom's RE Engine, it looks incredible and runs spectacular, also, Capcom is using Quixel Megascans assets for their games.
yep Ghost of Tsushima look so good
Developers still need to learn to work with the engine, it was the same with UE4. I think Robocop looks pretty damn good, it has pretty clever SSR+RT for reflections, very nice GI, high quality assets with even tiniest rocks having shadows etc., and it really doesn't run that badly, at least compared to other games that use far fewer UE5 features.
RE Engine does run really well but it has big drawbacks, really noisy SSR in most implementations for example.
What Re engine has many issues. The RT reflections and SSR are god awful and they have gimmicks like hairstrands that add nothing to the visuals but tank performances.
@@gavinderulo12 Still running way better that UE5, the RT is fine, RE Engine is way more friendly with lower end GPUs.
@@ultradius7 yes. But it doesn't look as good. Which is fine. But it's an engine that is still supporting old gen.
I am glad you are making these Unreal Engine 5 comparison videos.
Is there any information on the rtx 4080 ti that you know of?
Great video as always but any way you can add fill background to the Afterburner stats for those of us who are watching on a phone? Because sometimes they're really hard to see. Cheers.
Will u get review samples of the new Super cards or u actually have to buy them in order to review?
I think people have said so before but talos 2 has a benchmarking mode when you switch to the beta branch. It shows some of the more demanding scenes of the game so might be a better representation of the expected performance in UE5 games.
Thank you for making these comparison. You might also found Unreal 5's built-in TSR to be interesting to join these next time.
Chilling with my 3080ti at 1440p and steam deck for many years
Can you test lossless scaling frame generation? Its already released on beta
Damn. I don't want to pay sticker price for any of these cards.
Thanks Daniel!
"Not just Ultra settings, but also high settings". I think UItra needs to be thought of more like what it often is in most titles, placebo. Maybe texture setting often excluded from that remark. I get using game defined presets as determining "optimized settings" is a lot of work and can also be subjective. Spot the difference is separate from playing a game. HUB has done a comparisons of Ultra to high and Ultra-high-medium. Most these recent graphic intensive games low settings are likely effectively higher than older high settings. I think Medium needs to be talked about more in modern titles for things other than the highest end hardware. Heck even consoles (~2070 super) often use some settings at a equiv PC low setting as shown by Alex at DF.
I for one would trust your opinion on something like, in this tough title with X hardware you need to be looking at these settings+resolution for a reasonable result. I don't care if the/some setting is low since what does "low" really mean. I would trust your view of reasonable. e.g. Like you often talk about not liking DLSS quality at 1080 resolution. Of course view distance has to be considered as you have that massive 48" monitor. Also monitor native rez.
As someone who has completed Talos Principle 2, the game gets harder to run as you play more. My 3080 went from 70ish FPS to about 40ish FPS as I played. I had to turn on DLSS at medium/high settings to get this.
Man, that's crazy...
Try to run the game is a puzzle aswell. Truly genius
kind of amazed by how poor the 40 line turned out. thanks for making these videos.
Only the low end was poor, if you shop th3 high end 40 series was a huge jump
only price wise
performance is absolutely mind boggling
And yet, the 4060 ti 16gb is the better pick here.
@@jorge69696if it have better price I do see three models on Amazon $449
@@jorge69696 Why? The 7700XT has better raster performance while being a little cheaper, or at the same price
wth is the talos principle doing that it needs more than 8gb it has like 4 materials on screen
My first GPU with 8gb was rx 480 , and even today they are selling 8gb gpus 😂 but now for 400€ 😢
6600 is ~230
@@BusAlexey The point is that expensive GPUs still have 8gb, not that you can't get cheap 8gb cards
Wanna see how dumb that statement is? "I bought a computer with 32gb of ram 20 years ago and they are still selling them today but for $1000's
@@samgoff5289 Tf you mean 32gb, that was a HUGE amount back then. 8gb in 2016 was a good amount but not out of the ordinary
@@samgoff5289 Try reading it again. The key part of his statement is ''but now for 400$'' . He's not saying that it's unreasonable to have 8gb gpus for a lower price point, he's saying that 400$ gpus should have more Vram by this point by default. It's bad enough that the 4060ti is marketed for 1080p for that price, they should have at least given it a tiny bit more Vram for that resolution since we can clearly see that there are scenarios were it's needed. 10gb should be the minimum for 1080p starting at 300$ specially for a card that barely outperforms it's predecessor (3060ti)
Consumers have been fooled across the tech space. Instead of getting something better in the next gen for around the same price, they just charge you more for the tech advance. You are just paying more money for more performance. That isn’t value. I also believe they are using the consumer cards to anchor how much they can charge for data center/ai. These prices are all inflated. I’m still sitting in a 3090 FE I bought a while ago used for $700. At 24GB of ram, there is nothing that replaces this card. Plus I just added about a 20% performance boost by upgrading to a 5800x3d. These games don’t look any better yet require more power to run. I’ll wait till the market finally wakes up and forces these companies to com back down to earth. There are only so many Ai farms they can sell, every market reaches a saturation point. Games have been lack luster anyway. It’s worth the wait.
Well, to be fair, software and drivers for hardware won't develop for free either. It also takes time.
And looking into last few years, development of software becomes more and more prevalent for providing better functionality.
I do agree that GPU's now are expensive and Nvidia 40 series doesn't quite hit value point for 60, 60ti and 70 cards in terms of gen-on-gen performance. 70ti and 80 are debatable, 90 is just having no competition. But for f* sake. Inflation is a thing, and USA does a good job on stimulating it with amount of money printing they do. Prices are forced to grow as there are more money out in rotation which causes currency to worth less and less.
@@DimkaTsv These prices were sky high before Biden even stepped in to ruin everything. Nvidia has been raking in record profits every fiscal year. So no, the prices aren’t due to inflation. The price of a silicon wafer hasn’t changed much. And let’s not act like it’s a die size thing because even these monolithic dies are smaller and smaller every generation. They have cornered the market and have the luxury of charging more for less. AD102 609mm2 GA102 628mm2 TU102 754mm2.
You say that gpus are expensive and then proceeed to mention that you bought USED card for 700$. Old, used card,not brand new. It is a powerful gpu and with lots of vram but that was expensive like hell. And 3090 ti was even worse. At least compared to the rest of rtx30 lineup.
@@krisshietala2119 I bought it on eBay 2 years ago while people were still participating the 40 series. That’s why I got it for so cheap when it was still selling new for $1400. I made a lateral move from a 6950xt because i do blender work, video work and mess around a little in VR. Which in VR, just forget about AMD. At the time (2022) what performance can you get for $700 that is better than a 3090? The 3080 was going for $800 new at the time.
@@krisshietala2119 not everyone is from USA to have MSRP prices to relate to.
To get midrange GPU in my country for example i must multiply price to about x1.6, which is especially outrageous taking an account that US wages are a lot higher than wages in my country. But, price for physical goods is not regional in the slightest.
For example, i just sold my USED 6750 XT for about 355 USD, outrageous, right? But it is not such outrageous price if new one costs around 450-500 USD.
Seems like this tier of 'middle' card just can't do UE5 Ultra detail settings, that seems to be reserved only for flagships at this point...
Driver NVIDIA version?
A good video would be comparing GPU agnostic upscaling in UE5 to see what the best upscaler/AA is (TSR, FSR2, XeSS, TAAU) instead of just going (AMD = FSR2)
I already know which one looks the best as I've tested it myself, but maybe it's a good video idea. I will say my answer changes from game to game though, so theirs actually no clear answer which makes the subject tricky.
Thats the issue, subjectivity is tricky as hell. I think FSR look god awful with how smeary and worse shimmery things look, like im just looking at a lower res image, but somebody else might genuinely not notice things i guess. Personally? I think the only good upscalers below 4K are DLSS and XeSS
@@Angel7black TSR is very good but very expensive, and having to push it lower may harm quality
No audio...
I ordered a 6750 xt a few days ago, 330$ from amazon, do you think its enough for lords of the fallen? for now im using my 2070 super, which probably would have been enough but its broken so if i go any higher than low settings 720p and a 30fps limit it just blackscreens and it's fans go to 100%.
do you have any idea what could be causing this, or how to fix it?
2070S is 2 weak for Lords of the Fallen, native 720p would suit just about right but in 2005 and not 2023...You should maybe consider a 6800XT or 7800XT to get a huge upgrade compared 2 your old card...but apart from that its a great price for a decent card in form of the 6750XT
6800 is minimum
I wish you would of included the ARC A750 LE in this test m8. I have one being delivered tomorrow I got for £170 with the ad saying the card was only used to review and that's it so it's basically new.
Its like 50% slower than these gpu's!
If upscaling wasn't used as a crutch it would be more optimised but that means developers actually have to do hard work
No, they are not. Now I'll start the video...
Thx for the heads up dad
Thx for the heads up dad
Hi dad @@TonyHerson
PC users when their budget GPU can't do ultra settings ray tracing at 100K resolution at 5000 FPS:
@@GewelReal lol more like pc users when their mid-range GPU can't run 1080p medium settings at 60 fps
I don’t have problem with 8gb gpus …… only for 1080p gaming and a ~$200 price point.
Above that price point then a minimum 12GB is warranted for a gpu. Above ~$400 then I feel 16gb is warranted for the price you’re paying.
The problem with gpus today …. Especially this generation is the fact that gpus are overpriced, under perform for the majority of UE5 single player titles currently on the market and even 720p gaming (1080p upscaled) is still a ~40fps game play which is abysmal!
I feel that Frame Generation was seen by Nvidia as a cheap cop out for better fps and didn’t do any research on the fact it uses generally ~2GB of vram (1080p/1440p) and that Ray Tracing in addition uses another ~2GB of vram. This means that a 1080p card needs a minimum of 12GB vram (2GB RT + 2GB FG + 8GB vram for gaming). So even the rtx4080 is basically a 12GB vram GPU with with an additional 4gb for RT & FG which is pathetic imo!
I’m normally an Nvidia 80-class buyer but the RTX4090 was the go to for me this generation due to pricing difference (got my GPU at launch) and offering better longevity.
Why is the 7700 XT, having 12GB, allocating and using more VRAM and less system RAM than the 4060 Ti 16Gb? You'd assume the opposite, given what you said in the beginning of the video.
Even the framerate advantage in the higher settings test is substantial enough for the 7700 XT to suggest something weird is happening with the VRAM. With some of the lower settings tests, the 7700 XT only seems to be holding a few % lead, but on the higher settings that lead can grow to even 20-25% (or 40% in the 1 percent lows, as in Jusant 1080p U/FSR). It seems like a big change. Could there be something wrong with how the 4060 Ti is using it's VRAM, or with the way these UE5 games are allocating it?
Also: While the framerate advantage between the cards seems to change from game to game, the 7700 XT always seems to be allocating and using more VRAM, despite having less of it than the 4060 Ti 16Gb.
It's almost as if the 4060 Ti was like a 10Gb card based on the principle in the beginning of the video.
(Inb4: Jokes about "it ain't the size of your VRAM, Geffy, it's how you use it")
I think the lower Vram and Ram usage is because of NVIDIA's better compression software. while AMD just brute forces it with more Vram.
It is scheduler difference. AMD is generous with VRAM allocation, while Nvidia is more conservative.
For some games AMD will take all VRAM, but use around 3-5GB, while Nvidia won't use more than those said 3-5GB.
It doesn't mean that AMD allocation is permanent, no, if VRAM becomes needed, it will be allocated to different application.
P.S. GPU scheduler is one of the parts of process that peeks at render chain and works out memory allocation, iirc. But if i am wrong, correct me.
The memory bus widths are different. The Nvidia cards use 128-bit bus width, and AMD uses 192. The AMD card can transfer more data at a time than the Nvidia card.
Found a 4060 ti 16 gb model for $400 on sale from Newegg 😅
have my 4060 TI 8 GB since early Oct. a 2-3 weeks used for 335€ from ebay. and i'm only playing older titles (UE 3/4 or so)
As we check vram vs ram 4060 ti using less vram but more ram than 7700xt, at least in most cases. So maybe it shoud be related to vram bandwidth issue. As 4060ti has lower bandwidth. So maybe for 4060ti is not possible utilise more vram at some point. It shoud be interested to try it by changing bandwidth (buss size is fixed sadly but maby little oc of memory clock speed) or if at least frame time graph will bee smoother. Its quite spiky compared to 7700xt.
But I shoud be wrong .. I'm not expert at all..
So pretty much use 6800 non xt or if you can get a discount close to $400 6800xt
Unfortunately most people don't have higher end psu to compensate for this disparity when doing last gen exploitation purchases; people who got lucky with 6950xt/6900xt don't have to worry for a few years with how awkward the market is now ( or how there's no comparable upgrade which is good depending on perspective)
Think this particular cycle it's just more about power efficiency which was the main aspect with marginal gains on the higher scalable wattage; anyone chasing performance only choice will be 4090
If you live in Germany, mindfactory have the 6950 for 600 euro... I heard creators saying it was sold thru, but obviously not. If I had the money and could get it I would think hard about it. I would need to add another 50 to get it to myself....and then if it's faulty it would be a mess
For example undervolted 6800XT is around 200W gpu. No need for high end PSUs unless you were stupid enough not to get 750W PSU in the beginning with
I got a 6800xt, it blasts thru everything I play in 4k, also my friend got a 6900xt. Both are happy as hell😅😊
again, at 1440p there's not much difference between DLSS and FSR with smaller monitors. And most people play at 27" or smaller monitor.
It would be cool to see AMD driver based frame generation in the games that do not offer it in settings. Great job.
It's a shame that every time I see the 4060 Ti 16GB, I always think of what my 3070 8GB could have been with more VRAM.
Here's to a happy new year Daniel! May your frames be high and temps be low!
Truuuuuuuu broooooo I wish we had rtx 3070 16gb
smart people dont get under 16gb gpu in 2020s
@@lifemocker85 smart people that only cost only $500 in 2020 and still able to play it today without vram problems
@@Ghostlynotme445 6800/XT are under 500
@@lifemocker85 in 2020 Rx 6800 was $579 and Rx 6800 xt $649 while 3070 for only $500 you see why I said 16gb VRAM on that in 2020 be better
TY
Sometimes the best thing to do is muting the audio and just watching the video to make your own opinion.
Could you test ark survival ascended in the future? It's an ue5 game, but i can't find a whole lot of good benchmarks for it.
I don't usually benchmark Early Access games, so it is unlikely that I will include it until it gets an official release.
my 3080 gets like 20 fps at 1080p with dlss, there is a reason nobody benchmarks it. Its a waste of space, and a sorry excuse for a video game.
@@danielowentech ah, understandable
@@NoDFX_ that sucks
@cryaldood3656 my 4080FE can barely maintain 4k 60 on ark ascended. Basically don't bother with it
As a 4090 owner, after seeing this video I think these GPUs are also small beasts. The numbers aren't bad at all at 1440p Ultra/High for the 4060ti 16GB and the 7700 XT.. That plus some DLSS or FG and there you go.
Mine rtx 3070 take 8 hour render in unreal engine 5
im not even going to try for first, so third?
Second
third it is...@@danielowentech
Excellent video! And not much has changed after all. The 6750 XT is much cheaper than the 4060 Ti 16Gb ($340 vs $450 new), and is around the same performance (in some games 5-10% less, some others 5-10% more, mostly within +/- 5%).
The DLSS is not worth the extra $110, and at this medium level of GPUs you won't be using RT anyway. The 4060 Ti in all forms and in current pricing is still an absolute joke, and should not be bought by anyone, unless you can get the 16Gb version for around $350. It's simply one of the worst offerings from Nvidia, ever, with it's idiotic pricing. If you need RT and DLSS 2.0, buy a used 3080 for less than $400. Although that 10Gb VRAM is a problem, so might want to check if you can find the 12Gb version for a good price in the second-hand market.
4060ti 16gb is a good card i would buy that over 7700xt and 4060ti 8gb.
Wow the power usage is like 40-50%!
RoboCop has a few insanely demanding moments. I ended up playing in 1080p with integer scaling to 4K on a 4070. This was the closest I could get to a locked 60 FPS experience, but I still saw as low as 40 FPS a few times.
The game doesn't stutter much, but the GPU requirements are crazy. Cutscenes are also much more demanding than gameplay.
Wow, you would think a 4070 should crush this game. Unreal 5 games scare me.
Wow, you would think a 4070 should crush this game. Unreal 5 games scare me.
At which settings? Please, tell me it was on Ultra.
@@juanblanco7898 1080p was on Ultra. 1440p was dropping below 60 very often even at medium. My TV doesn't support VRR, so I need locked 60 FPS.
They shouldn't scare you if you see the level of visual fidelity, asset and lighting quality that was achieved in that game by a tiny studio on a small budget.
I picked up a 7700 XT for 200$ less than the 7800 and it's a beast
Interesting comprasion. The problem is - 4060ti now cost more than 7800xt.
what world r u living in where a 4060 ti is more expensive than 7800 xt ???
Most likely in Europe… or Australia.
@@Eleganttf2 Chelyabinsk. 7800xt is close to 600€. 4060ti 16gb is 700+.
One thing I love about the newer engines are they compromise very well for lower settings. You do not see such a grand difference in image quality as you do in older games, simply by ticking down options.
Do you really need 4096x4096 or 8192x8192 textures if you aren't in 4k? Not especially.
TBH its a nice time to own a 1080p laptop, and a great time to own a 1440p desktop.
And I'll be honest. All I care about is two things at this point. When is 4k gaming a real thing? (because tbh there is no card that gives 60fps+ at 4k in every single game maxed out still). Also, are you going to force production of a dedicated card just to make realistic hair a thing?
Because everything in modern games looks great now. But G-damn does hair still suck massive ballsacks.
Seriously.
Never thought I'd be a 40 year old bald man complaining about hair issues.
The uncanny valley is basically nailed down to 'muh hair' now.
Im running avatar at medium settings, high RT, with frame gen and fsr3 upscaling on (7700xt), and it looks and runs perfectly fine. 60 without FG, 120 with FG. People are out here acting like 1440 and 4k are the norm/standard. 95%+ Are on 1080p or lower. Consoles that tout 4k support are nothing but boxes of lies, its all upscaled from 720p and 1080p. There is nothing wrong with the current offerings of cards (sans being a bit too high price wise) You buy a 1440 or 4k monitor and your games run bad? WOW SHOCKER, WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED THAT!? Bunch of morons man i tell you.
And people are going crazy over 4K 240 Hz monitors... I don't think you'd get anything close to that with modern titles even on RTX 6090.
Why doesn't anyone use Ark Survival Ascended as a game for UE5 testing?
I don't use it because it isn't fully released yet. It's in Early Access.
In terms of image quality Dlss Performance = Fsr 2 Quality
I think this generation will see the end of 8gb cards(hopefully) With Unreal 5 being the death knell.
Luckily we get next year new Nvidia 3050 6Gb to prove you wrong! 6Gb is the future!
😂
@@haukionkannelimagine thinking a 3050 is supposed to be able to play current gen games.
For anyone who it may concern, RTX 3080 12GB variant, and Ti have been out in 2022 & 2021, couldn't be mined on at the time (LHR) and many have manufacturer warranty still going, like ASUS TUF which are covered until 2025.
Resist buying 4000 series. Especially the 4060s
For people, 4060 will last for another 5 years at 1080 on high settings(non Ultra). They don’t need all sorts of 7700 and 4070 for FHD. They already have 100 fps everywhere on ultra. Nobody turns on the rays. You’re talking nonsense like some red-eyed Linux user.
@@karenvalidon748 Linux users don't buy Nvidia GPUs because they've been crap at supporting Linux until very recently...
You don't know what youre talking about Karen @@karenvalidon748
In the first place, these cards shouldn't cost so high for a 1080p gaming setup..cos of constricted budget i went for the 4060ti 8 gb.
And what if it's not all the videocards are bad, it's Unreal 5 is an unoptimised sh*t?
The 4060 tier cards are trash though. They've been crippled so much (laughably tiny memory bus etc.), that using upscaling is basically required to not render them irrelevant within the next 2-3 years.
@@Bulletsforfree yeah, and what's what you are told by tech bloggers, but the same can be said for 7600, and 4060 is actually better than 3060 with more memory without mumbo-jumbo with DLSS. It's not the 4000 series, it's Nvidia profiteering and gamedevs failing in game gevelopment
@@user-tc9sk4ei9y Yeah the 4060 is technically better than the 3060, but is it worth the money ? It's sad that people think subpar products like this are fine while the 250-350$ range of gpus keeps offering less and less value. Why bring up the 7600 ? Everyone who can read and interpret a spec sheet knew it would be an underwhelming card. Same with both 4060 models. There is no need for ''techbloggers'' to tell me that I'm wasting 300$ on a 4060.
@@Bulletsforfree you are supposed to work your ass out to buy overpriced shit. As if GPUs are different in that regard. Embrace capitalism
4060 ti 16gb plays good enough but it does leave more to be desired... bought it lower than 450 at least. Still keeping an eye out for Super models (hope for a 16gb 4070 super???) to switch to as I only suppose to upgrade every 4 to 5 years 😅
ngreedia wont give you 16gb gpu with good performance at decent price
@@lifemocker85 😭 one can dream...
@@Jpwinks pointless
Nah came out with 12gb but atleast they fixed TI finally with the 16gb
wow, these titles are so underwhelming and poor performance with meh visuals are not helping.
Nice
By the GPU switching into using RAM you mean the GPU is using Rebar ? That's the point though isn't it ? My 5600 XT 6GB always goes into the Red if the game asks for more VRAM but the GPU shows it has access to 22GB of memory in total because of ReBar. You need to think about this also m8 in your benchmarks which I don't see anyone doing btw so go for it.
Edit: Or just turn Rebar off during testing ?
Google it what rebar actually means and how it works and after that delete ur comment.
RAM is significantly slower than VRAM and has a high latency penalty. The moment you start having to use system memory you get reduced performance and increased stutters.
It ensures the application does not crash, but it will absolutely hurt performance.
It's also not what Resizeable Bar is for as mentioned.
what says this video XD? dont by a 4060 or a 7700 XD only when you are a fhd fan ! ;D 400 bucks for the trashpot haha :D
I’d love to see DLSS, like FSR offer an Ultra Quality setting (83%) scaling resolution to offer a better quality image during gaming as I’d use it over the regular Quality setting. Especially for lower tier gpus ….. such as RTX4060 etc for 1080p gaming levels
You can use DLDSR+DLSS together
That's what I was wondering, that RTX 4070 Super coming up with only 12 Gb of Vram will not be so great for future Unreal 5 engine games at 1440p.
ngreedia wont give you 16gb gpu with good performance at decent price
@@lifemocker85 Yeah, guess I have to spend my money elsewhere.
Strange test. What about memory overflow after 10 minutes of play. 4060 by 8 GB will say hello to you?
if 4060ti 16gb had x16 lanes with 256bit bus then definitely it would be on of the most perfect gpu ever if it comes within $350-380
too weak performance
As usual : very good comparison! Great analysis! Since i'm gaming at 1080p, I'll keep my RTX 3070 ti for the next 18 months. Then i'l get a RTX 5070ti or 5080 + a good 1440p IPS monitor. YEah, i know, OLED are way better for gaming. But my monitor will be for multi usages. playing Games, watching movies, reading and writing articles, spreadsheet work, etc... And the OLED burning limitation will occur very fast because of that. So i stick to a IPS panel. A higher mid tier class monitor or even a top notch model!
If you feel like you're testing too many configurations, you can drop the 1080p upscaled results from anything other than entry levep products. Literally no one should be playing anything at 1080 upscaled with anything other than entry level products.
Today 26.02. price of 7700xt is cut by 30$.
7700 xt all the way.
im happy with 80fps on ultra for 500€
Talos Principle 2 makes my 3090 suffer!
Its really quite sad. Between the gpu price hikes and UE performance demands, the barrier of entry for pc gaming has gotten to be unattainable for many again
just go get older gpus like 2080 ti which costs 350$ used here and a bit more powerful than 3070. Evga is recommended, great cooling and a lot of thermal pads. sure it uses 2x power, but i care about price per fps.
@swilleh_ I'm packing a 4080 my guy. My grief isn't for myself rather I hate to see friends say they are unable to play because they need gpu upgrades.
Also idk that is great advice given that even 3070s are struggling these days. Ark Survival Ascended (UE5 title)has been on our play lists, and anything older than 40 series or TOP of the line last gen is struggling to play it.
@@TorqueKMAthat's what consoles are for.
video editing revview
4060ti 8GB is $25 more than 7700 xt in my country 😂
What...then the 7700xt is a steallll
This is the reason i got a 4070 Ti for 1440p. I saw where things were going with how poorly optimized games were getting and how ass UE5 was gonna be. Been saying the 3090 wasnt a real 4K card for a while and just a glorified 1440p high refresh rate card we were settling with to use at 4K. Honestly till the 4090 i didnt think it was worth chasing 4K, now i think its worth it if youre hella wealthy and only if youre hella wealthy. That said, unreal really has been a mediocre engine for a long time and i really hope devs stop relying so hard on it and using it in the future though i dont see that changing
got a only 1 month used 6800 for 300 dollar about 8 months ago. Best 300 dollar spent. Specially cause 7700xt is around 500 dollar in my country and 7800xt is around 600
yeah i thought nvidia would have a bigger advantage in UE5 , like it did in UE4. AMD massive win. buyer's remorse kicking in hard
this generation is so disappointing. $400 cards should be 60FPS 1440P max settings all day long without using the upscaling and frame gen crutches.
rather than gamers thinking about the extra around 50 bucks to pay for a merely 2-5 fps increase, might rather focus on power consumptions instead. how about tests those.
why not try to test 4k.
These are not 4k cards
remnant 2 runs so poorly, I played it on launch and I am sad that they havent done anything to optimize this title further. (3080 12gb, 12700k, 32gb ddr5-6000)
RX 6700XT/6750XT 12Gb are near $300 and RX 6800/6800XT near $400. Don't you think they are better deals than 7700XT? Even 4060 8GB or 4060 Ti 16Gb for RT would beat RX 7800XT at ease with DLSS 3.5....
6800xt is the best right now
I just struggle to watch or take these videos properly with you draggign you head around, we can clearly see what you talkign about and if you wanna highlight something just edit a highlight in.
Sorry but it makes the videos feel less serious and jarring to watch
The test shows that you can easily sit on 8 GB for 1080 at high settings for another 5 years. There is no difference between ultra and high at all. And if you always turn on DLSS, then ultra is generally leveled out by the neuron as a phenomenon.Ratchet & Clank - this is unoptimized shit. Why is there a cartoonish RTX picture like in Genshin Impact? A contrived problem without rays everything will be fine. The problem was simply made up out of thin air.It’s like running 50,000 tabs in Chrome with 32 GB of RAM and saying there’s already not enough memory, look how everything lags.
A Plague Tale: Requiem is unplayable with any type of ray-tracing at high graphics settings or above with 8 GB of vRAM GPUs. Hardware Unboxed shows that.
@@cameronbosch1213 No one plays with rays on the middle maps. It doesn't look like it should be included. Everything in Cyberpunk is a little better. In Resident Evel she is not visible at all - nonsense and nothing more.A Plague Tale looks great even without rays. Shadow tracing doesn't do anything there.
3060 12gb soon please ❤
Damn i buyed new stalker hearth of chernobyl shit i pray for gods i run it on my 3070 💀
I just finished Immortals of Aveum on my 7900 XTX and it was Awesome!! Played through maxed out at 4k wFSR 3 Quality and got about 100fps avg. It was Dreamy and UE5 Looks Great when maxed out on this card 😍
dam not looking good
6800xt for $400 off eBay gang✌️
3090 for $420!!!
@@ardi1606 damn good cop bro 🤌
got refurbished 68XT for 255
@@lifemocker85 😮💨
My friend got a 3090 ti for 700 nzd (440 usd) I thought he got scammed but no it’s real 💀
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is it okay for me to say this? AMD CPU is more energy efficient than Intels, and NVIDIA GPU is more energy efficient than AMD GPU?
well amd gpus are highly overvolted - for example undervolted 6800XT is around 200W gpu
The 4060 16 gig will unironically pay you back the difference in price compared to the amd card if you have expensive electricity. The card is not great value but the 40 series power consumption is very impressive
amd undervolt really well
I dont even know even 1 of these games 😂
Awesome content as always! Would love to see some last gen mid-range cards added to these benchmarks to show us how obsolete our cards are 🥲
Maybe just use good system memory CL 14 to CL 16 DDR4 or CL 28 to CL 32 DDR5 it will make a difference.
u could be running cl 12 and still get perf drops and stutters . its not about memory latency , its about the gpu waitin for the information from the ram to travel to the cpu and then reach that is making the fps go down . vram is incorporated in the gpu and thats why makes a massive difference
@@leyterispap6775 Good ram makes a huge difference in frames per second there are channels like the good old gamer that talk about this.
@@stevenanderson3205 u totally missed my point.re read what i said.
Love to see how nVidia just launch a card with unnecessary 16GB just to show people that is a GIGANTESTIC waste of money lol. Specially if you're not a COMPLETE IDIOT and try to play without DLSS / UItra or 1440p
What is this hype about UE5 that Daniel is so much focusing on? I don’t see it on other channels. Just did a quick google search and there are hardly any famous titles on UE5
That is what separates Daniel from the others.
The echo chamber can get sheepish.
He focuses so much on UE5, because the vast majority of games are going to use it in the future.
Even CD Project are going to use it for their future Projects after dropping their own engine.
Hey, Dan. PLEASE STOP TESTING THE OPENING STAGE OF TALOS 2. Its NOT INDICATIVE OF THE REST OF THE GAME. The game now features massive open levels that tax the hardware way more and everyone keeps testing the small opening that mimicks the first game. Please test the later enviroments. Thanks
Unreal engine 2023 games pretty bad and cheap
That's not what Unreal engine 5 can do
I think the witcher 4 the only game that will use the Unreal engine 5 real power in the next 3 years