Ep 18: Petaflops to the People - with George Hotz of tinycorp

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  • čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
  • How tinygrad is taking on Nvidia, Google, and PyTorch with a tiny team, building in public with AMD, hot takes on ggml, Mojo, and GPT-4, and why AI Girlfriend is next.
    Writeup and show notes: www.latent.space/p/geohot
    Hosts' Twitter: @swyx and @fanahova
    Timestamps:
    00:00:00 - Introducing George
    00:02:59 - Tinycorp's 3 Theses
    00:11:12 - Tinygrad's creation
    00:15:58 - Operation fusing in Tinygrad
    00:19:11 - Tinygrad debugging
    00:21:14 - Tiny Competitiveness on QCOMM vs NVDA
    00:23:21 - geohot vs AMD
    00:28:21 - Tinygrad vs ggml
    00:30:01 - Importance of Good CI
    00:30:37 - Mojo and Compatibility
    00:32:43 - ggml quantization is made up
    00:35:18 - tinygrad: benchmark int8 vs fp16
    00:37:39 - Why you can't build tinybox
    00:40:28 - The personal compute cluster
    00:43:08 - Compute Optimal to Inference optimal
    00:45:06 - Announcing FLOPcoin
    00:46:23 - Why Federated AI won't work
    00:47:38 - 5x faster than Nvidia
    00:48:53 - A Person of Compute
    00:49:49 - GPT-4's real architecture
    00:51:07 - BatchNorm, FlashAttention
    00:52:34 - The Bitter Lesson
    00:55:31 - Hiring in the Age of AI
    01:00:02 - Why AI doesn't replace developers & artists
    01:03:02 - Comma Body
    01:07:34 - AI Girlfriend
    01:11:00 - The Goddess of Everything Else
    01:13:43 - John Carmack Insights
    01:17:41 - on Elon
    01:18:47 - on e/acc
    01:20:24 - Avatar 2
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Komentáře • 122

  • @TheLakeJake3
    @TheLakeJake3 Před 11 měsíci +80

    George knows how to make me feel like I need to give my life to working on AI

    • @realhet
      @realhet Před 11 měsíci +4

      That's a closed circuit:
      You make him feel he can give his life working on whatever he wants. :D

    • @androwaydie4081
      @androwaydie4081 Před 10 měsíci +2

      That's marketing for you.

  • @ahpacific
    @ahpacific Před 11 měsíci +76

    I always learn so much from Hotz. Thanks guys.

    • @LatentSpaceTV
      @LatentSpaceTV  Před 11 měsíci +7

      we did too. super grateful for him taking the time.

  • @bogslurp3532
    @bogslurp3532 Před 11 měsíci +10

    10 minutes in and I generally have no idea what George is saying but I could listen all day.

  • @mrdbourke
    @mrdbourke Před 11 měsíci +44

    Epic show! I love how direct George’s responses are, almost all from pure experience “I don’t like x because I tried it for 16 hours straight and it didn’t work”

  • @shridharangp4865
    @shridharangp4865 Před 11 měsíci +14

    Democratising the big tech for everyone, your efforts are really appreciated 🙏

  • @user-mw5mn8ti8t
    @user-mw5mn8ti8t Před 11 měsíci +9

    This man is such a genius. Pure delight to hear him. Thank you so much for this enlightening video!

    • @DikTrom
      @DikTrom Před 10 měsíci

      you think that is a compliment? It is actually a curse to be a real genius

  • @deersakamoto2167
    @deersakamoto2167 Před 11 měsíci +4

    25:18 GeoHot's email to AMD's Lisa Su
    I like that email starts with "I started a company" - no "hello", no pleasantries, just straight to the point

  • @JohnCooganPlus
    @JohnCooganPlus Před 11 měsíci +22

    what a great episode! this show is awesome

    • @vladusa
      @vladusa Před 11 měsíci +2

      Coogan's a Hotz fan?!

  • @MWileY-nj1yb
    @MWileY-nj1yb Před 2 měsíci

    I appreciate you guys and your fresh approach to dense subject matter. Always love listening to George.

  • @JalaleddinElFirqi
    @JalaleddinElFirqi Před 11 měsíci +3

    thank you for the episode guys, great guest and sharp hosts

  • @larry_the
    @larry_the Před 11 měsíci +4

    Wonderful episode. Always love hearing more from George.

  • @GThomas-qq6mp
    @GThomas-qq6mp Před 11 měsíci +2

    This is actually great to dissect the progress. Along the streams it's harder to understand what George is doing. I've learned a few things from this.

  • @HassanElMghari
    @HassanElMghari Před 11 měsíci +1

    What a great interview! Great job y'all

  • @chickenwings273
    @chickenwings273 Před 11 měsíci

    Thank you for making this!

  • @LatentSpaceTV
    @LatentSpaceTV  Před 11 měsíci +12

    Writeup and show notes: www.latent.space/p/geohot

  • @Nour-le8jn
    @Nour-le8jn Před 11 měsíci +10

    great episode, very knowledgeable hosts absolutely better than Lex. George never disappoint. keep it up guys

  • @Shan224
    @Shan224 Před 11 měsíci

    Thanks guys. Subbed ❤

  • @d33w
    @d33w Před 11 měsíci +1

    great episode, seems I found a good podcast in the ML field. Kudos and keep going!

    • @LatentSpaceTV
      @LatentSpaceTV  Před 11 měsíci

      Thanks for listening! We have ~17 episodes you can catchup on as well :) latent.space/

  • @420_gunna
    @420_gunna Před 5 měsíci

    I really like the banner that you have across the top of the video that describes the topic -- great idea on that.

  • @meteorinc4259
    @meteorinc4259 Před 11 měsíci +4

    How do they have only 287 subs! Best guest, animations to explain concepts (more of this please), and current topic of discussion on top. Great editing!!
    Thanks Latent Space and keep it up!

    • @LatentSpaceTV
      @LatentSpaceTV  Před 11 měsíci +1

      It's our first day on CZcams! All of our past episodes are here: latent.space/. Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @recursion.
      @recursion. Před 11 měsíci

      @@LatentSpaceTVyo I hope you'll only focus in the tech space unlike lex fridman who interviews anyone with clout.

  • @AshutoshSharma-ml6sv
    @AshutoshSharma-ml6sv Před 11 měsíci +1

    need more podcasts like this which actually talk about tech

  • @SamirPatnaik
    @SamirPatnaik Před 11 měsíci +3

    Towards a end of it… George is a god-tier soul. om namo shivay

  • @jonzo_
    @jonzo_ Před 11 měsíci

    Great talk!

  • @jaya8352
    @jaya8352 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Good stuff, but please boost volume, if obs add filter in mic settings. Bt speaker on Mac volume still don't hear it all

    • @jaya8352
      @jaya8352 Před 11 měsíci

      To clarify, hosts are plenty loud, but Geo is far quieter multiplied by he talks very quickly, he needs more volume, can barely hear him and any ambient noise he's unhearable, I'm missing at least 30% of what he's saying, mentally fatiguing.

    • @jaya8352
      @jaya8352 Před 11 měsíci

      I subscribed and looking forward to more, but please do more thorough sound checks and monitoring the levels.

    • @jaya8352
      @jaya8352 Před 11 měsíci

      Oh now I see he is far back from the mic often, maybe just police that more, I mean the whole point is to share audio, while if the key speaker is talking not into the mic most of the time then well....

  • @RonanMcGovern
    @RonanMcGovern Před 11 měsíci

    Congrats, great content. Wonder what geohot thinks of the llama license being non commercial

  • @DD-ws6cu
    @DD-ws6cu Před 11 měsíci +1

    I have no idea wtf he’s talking about for 90% of this but I still find it fascinating lol

  • @torsteinsrnes4872
    @torsteinsrnes4872 Před 11 měsíci +3

    The volume is a bit too low and it is too hard to hear what you're saying sometimes. Otherwise great podcast!

  • @AnthonyZboralski
    @AnthonyZboralski Před 11 měsíci

    Subscribed! I'm annoyed I only discovered your channel today :)

    • @LatentSpaceTV
      @LatentSpaceTV  Před 11 měsíci

      We only created it a couple days ago, but you can find all of our old episodes on latent.space! More to come!

    • @AnthonyZboralski
      @AnthonyZboralski Před 11 měsíci

      @@LatentSpaceTV yeah I noticed and subscribed on Apple Podcast. Keep up the good work

  • @princemredlana1198
    @princemredlana1198 Před 11 měsíci

    I'm in awe

  • @oryxchannel
    @oryxchannel Před 11 měsíci

    Soooo freakin coool. It's like a Pat Metheny concert. You just pick up on the jazz.

  • @nxnu2119
    @nxnu2119 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Are you guys on nostr ?

  • @herashak
    @herashak Před 11 měsíci

    Good vid, side note that the audio is quieter than most other youtube videos.

    • @LatentSpaceTV
      @LatentSpaceTV  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Thanks for the feedback! We mix these for podcasts separately, we'll amp it up a bit next.

  • @Bill-cy2cy
    @Bill-cy2cy Před 11 měsíci

    Yessssss… thank you.

  • @hd-2
    @hd-2 Před 11 měsíci

    Listening to what George wants to do, and then getting a recommendation to watch Tenstorrent discussions from Jim Keller really makes me wonder how the two have not collaborated already.

  • @vankram1552
    @vankram1552 Před 11 měsíci

    Amazing show

  • @kompila
    @kompila Před 11 měsíci +1

    I am geohotz best fan from africa.

  • @Johnmoe_
    @Johnmoe_ Před 10 měsíci

    Will you guys upload anymore episodes????

  • @math3068
    @math3068 Před 11 měsíci

    That's great! you guys should try to bring David Holz from midjourney next

  • @dwolrdcojp
    @dwolrdcojp Před 11 měsíci

    George is the best

  • @Abhishekkumar-qj6hb
    @Abhishekkumar-qj6hb Před 11 měsíci

    Aren't the compute intensive models also inference intensive models ?

  • @andrewferguson6901
    @andrewferguson6901 Před 11 měsíci

    Ep 18, your only vid on this channel. Nice

    • @andrewferguson6901
      @andrewferguson6901 Před 11 měsíci

      not to like. be a hater. cause this is legit a great interview

  • @jr8209
    @jr8209 Před 11 měsíci +2

    audio levels low. You can tell by clicking on other videos and listening to how loud they are compared to this.

    • @LatentSpaceTV
      @LatentSpaceTV  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Thanks for the feedback! We mix these for podcasts separately, we'll amp it up a bit next.

  • @abemore
    @abemore Před 11 měsíci

    Can you use AlphaDev to make fast tiny code?

  • @ujjwalshrestha5720
    @ujjwalshrestha5720 Před 11 měsíci

    awesome

  • @johnhammer8668
    @johnhammer8668 Před 11 měsíci

    14:54 whats the differnce ? tensor dot and tensor dot??

    • @LatentSpaceTV
      @LatentSpaceTV  Před 11 měsíci +1

      If you have a tensor in variable `a`, you have to do `Tensor.add(a, x)` instead of `a.add(x)`

  • @peter.g6
    @peter.g6 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Why I always feel if I could do 1/10th of what George can do my startup would be worth billions?

  • @semtex6412
    @semtex6412 Před 11 měsíci

    great idea bringing in GeoHot! subbing to this channel. hope u bring in more awesome people

    • @LatentSpaceTV
      @LatentSpaceTV  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Thank you, we had a bunch on our podcast already from OpenAI, MosaicML, Databricks, etc but no full videos: latent.space/

  • @markovchainy
    @markovchainy Před 6 měsíci

    Great show but you need to process your audio better; remove noise, compress, normalise and high-pass filter to avoid the low thumps

    • @LatentSpaceTV
      @LatentSpaceTV  Před 4 měsíci

      This was our old studio, we've setup a new one since then!

  • @vev
    @vev Před 11 měsíci

    Great

  • @trhashthings8045
    @trhashthings8045 Před 11 měsíci +1

    ok, min 8 and Hotz started to see the matrix 😂

  • @psibarpsi
    @psibarpsi Před 11 měsíci

    Where are the rest of the 17 episodes?

    • @LatentSpaceTV
      @LatentSpaceTV  Před 11 měsíci

      latent.space/ and on all podcast providers!

  • @noninvasive_rectal_probe8990
    @noninvasive_rectal_probe8990 Před 11 měsíci

    George is the reason I don't kms :3

  • @j031t8
    @j031t8 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Incredible.

  • @eirickbuckley9998
    @eirickbuckley9998 Před 11 měsíci

    jeez. not gonna lie, a bunch of this is wayyyy over my head.

  • @dan2250
    @dan2250 Před 11 měsíci

    George is the programmer’s programmer

  • @s243a
    @s243a Před 4 měsíci

    Why not water cooling?

  • @codycarse
    @codycarse Před 11 měsíci +2

    GeoHOT

  • @losthighway4840
    @losthighway4840 Před 11 měsíci

    A generalized framework is never going to match a behemoth like PyTorch on Nvidia. Reinventing the wheel here.

  • @recursion.
    @recursion. Před 11 měsíci

    Boys unarchive the previous episodes and looking forward to next one.

    • @recursion.
      @recursion. Před 11 měsíci

      Great job on time stamps btw.😊

    • @recursion.
      @recursion. Před 11 měsíci

      57:26 😂😂😂

    • @recursion.
      @recursion. Před 11 měsíci

      Ai girlfriend is crazy

    • @LatentSpaceTV
      @LatentSpaceTV  Před 11 měsíci

      You can find the audio + writeup here: www.latent.space/, more to come soon on here!

  • @stevenbaron358
    @stevenbaron358 Před 10 měsíci

    Here at 1k

  • @gauthamsai7506
    @gauthamsai7506 Před 11 měsíci

    Addressing the turing complete issue blew my mind, ml workloads are not trying to find something exact. So hardware need not be tuned to be exact, it could be a finite piece of simple operation which moves over data, and that data movement in itself would give outcome

  • @lukaspfitscher8737
    @lukaspfitscher8737 Před 11 měsíci

    arent FPGAs clockless?

    • @LatentSpaceTV
      @LatentSpaceTV  Před 11 měsíci +1

      In theory they can be clockless; in practice, no one really builds clockless ones.

  • @ScottGrunwald
    @ScottGrunwald Před 11 měsíci

    I just realized listening to this how much Georgie sounds like Jason Calacanis

  • @vev
    @vev Před 11 měsíci

    50 subscriber

  • @edh615
    @edh615 Před 11 měsíci

    I can't even search the episode

  • @kenw8875
    @kenw8875 Před 11 měsíci

    gorge is Silicon Intelligence

  • @dogecoinx3093
    @dogecoinx3093 Před 10 měsíci

    Raspberry pie version of apple silicone system on board chips

  • @larryabecid2819
    @larryabecid2819 Před 11 měsíci

    What? Is his comment on GPT-4 true?

    • @Yuber898
      @Yuber898 Před 11 měsíci

      Flip a coin, heads is yes and tails is no

  • @NikhilKumar-fo5on
    @NikhilKumar-fo5on Před 11 měsíci +1

    volume is pretty low, but good podcast otherwise!

    • @MikeTrieu
      @MikeTrieu Před 9 měsíci

      Yeah, it was so low that it fell under NewPipe's silence threshold and caused it to basically speedrun through the whole interview, making Hotz's speech barely liminal 😂

  • @YuriAchermann
    @YuriAchermann Před 10 měsíci

    Maybe for next guests try to expand more the topic they are talking about, instead of just throwing new questions to bring new topic cutting the last one, it's more engaging...

  • @saint8082
    @saint8082 Před 10 měsíci

    I can’t hear hotz

  • @hooxenv9692
    @hooxenv9692 Před 11 měsíci

    what is this goddess of everything else thing and how did George know what that was?

  • @vev
    @vev Před 11 měsíci

    😊🙃

  • @wolfram77
    @wolfram77 Před 10 měsíci

    Why are the three of them wearing hedphones?

  • @sunny_disposition
    @sunny_disposition Před 29 dny

    26:35 "iTs NoT OpeN SoUrCE iF yOU duMP the sOurcE OnTo a giThUB rEpo anD thEN fORGet AbOUt iT uNTiL tHE nExT reEleSe... REEEEEEEEEE"

  • @gaussdog
    @gaussdog Před 11 měsíci

    Rap Link, please..

    • @geohotarchive
      @geohotarchive Před 11 měsíci

      czcams.com/video/9iUvuaChDEg/video.html

    • @LatentSpaceTV
      @LatentSpaceTV  Před 11 měsíci

      czcams.com/video/9iUvuaChDEg/video.html
      You can always find all the links in the show notes: www.latent.space/p/geohot#details

  • @arnaudjean1159
    @arnaudjean1159 Před 10 měsíci

    I don't want only a copy of my memories in the stream I don't care a copy
    I just want me the original I just want keep on experimenting my own feelings keep my soul
    Wtf making a thing of a copy exept if your narcissic devious I don't care that bs

  • @benjaminkaarst
    @benjaminkaarst Před 11 měsíci

    Why does this feel like they are giving him a technical interview?

  • @Muaahaa
    @Muaahaa Před 11 měsíci

    From their website:
    "We’re hiring software engineers to work on tinygrad. _In person_ in San Diego..." Why? Isn't this largely about contributing to OSS? Isn't the model for OSS the god father of remote work?

  • @shephusted2714
    @shephusted2714 Před 10 měsíci

    his ideas are already old - time marches on - if it was such a great idea he would already be shipping but it is just cots hw - anybody can make one, why pay him for the fun?

  • @cosmicray007
    @cosmicray007 Před 10 měsíci

    beware of the fast-talking man. attention is all you need !! 1:16

  • @Pawsandthenclaws
    @Pawsandthenclaws Před 11 měsíci

    I'm trying to understand you bro. You are not a very good teacher.

  • @ankursinghprime
    @ankursinghprime Před 11 měsíci