I Trained Full-Contact Karate in Japan for 3 Months
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In this video, you'll get a behind-the-scenes look at my journey into the world of Shidokan Karate while training in Saitama, Japan. Shidokan is an evolution of Kyokushin Karate and incorporates elements of kickboxing, traditional karate, and grappling. As part of our exploration, we demonstrate the differences through sparring and techniques.
We'll start with the ritual of packing the Karategi, followed by a brief trip to the dojo. Once there, we get straight into the core elements of Shidokan including Bunkai, Kata, and grappling techniques. Sparring serves as a centerpiece, where the nuances between Kyokushin and Shidokan come to light. The video culminates in the achievement of a significant milestone: my Shidokan black belt exam.
This video is just a snapshot of the time spent in Japan, and we're excited to continue this journey back in Sweden. If you find this dive into martial arts as fascinating as we do, please like the video and subscribe to Saikou Karate for more content like this. - Sport
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OSU 🥋
Shidokan was created by Yoshiji Soeno, one of the real life inspirations for Ryu from Street Fighter.
It was great meeting and conversing with him :)
You’re living the dream, man!
Definitely very grateful to have had the opportunity to experience this✊
5:21
Osoto Gake, I believe this is a technique not recognized by the Kodokan or Hombu. Instead they call it a Osoto Gari variation, but Judokas give it the unofficial name "Osoto Gake".
Also you speak japanese?? I love how you are exploring Kyokushin off branches. You should make a compilation video with your thoughts on each style with comparisons.
Oh that’s interesting, thanks for the information on that! 🙏
Yeah I speak it alright but not amazing by any means 😅
For sure I would love to try training with a lot of different styles. I was going to train and record with Ashihara in Tokyo as well but they were quite closed. Made a special exception for me to come in and watch but didn’t let me join the training nor record anything, was quite disappointing.
I’ve been in judo for 19 years and that variation has allways been just osoto gari. No one has ever refered to it as osoto gake
SO good to see some Shidokan. Vastly overlooked style, very progressive (and it has a living master who's like this gruff no-nonsense badass that's stepped right out of a manga or something)
I agree!
It was great for me to meet and talk to Soeno Sosui 🥋
This looks like an awesome experience. Thank you for sharing.
It definitely was! Thank you for watching 🥋
Time flies fast, I feel like you made a community post about not being active due to traveling just last month😂
And here you are, sharing your journey, I love it
I felt it would be such a waste not to share some of the stuff I have been doing for the last few months! Even though the footage is not the best quality 😂
Thanks a lot! Osu 🥋
@@SaikouKarate the video resolution is not a problem, you explained it quite well and I did learn a lot from it too, I didn't know much about shidokan until your video, it seems like their own MMA now, everyone's coming up with something like that, and it's much better than just focusing on traditional things just because it's tradition, sometimes impractical stuff has to be left behind
And I 100% like that they included judo/jj throw and takedown as well, since almost all fights start standing up (striking) and then to the clinch and then takedown, grappling is the end stuff and focusing on only that is like blindly assuming the grappler will make it past the striking phase of the fight, that's not always the case
Yep! Though this is actually older than MMA (founded in 1979) :) but indeed it’s a very wide style in terms of technique and training methods, and high focus on traditional karate and bunkai but the application of it is a kyokushin-flared MMA-like style training methodology. For me that’s a really nice blend 🥋
And you are right, the thought is that the focus should be on the standup since that is where you start and where you want to be, but without totally neglecting the grappling scenarios that do inevitably occur.
@@SaikouKarate I think this feels more like a balanced combination, where striking, grappling And takedowns are emphasized, focusing on just one makes it feel less complete to me
As much as I like Kyokushin, their lack of takedowns outside of just handful of basic throws makes it seem incomplete, like I need to learn other stuff to fulfill my takedowns and grappling, Shidokan seems like an overall complete package
Omg that's my style!
Osu 😄👊🏼
I'm a shito-ryu karate Kai and I truly enjoy seeing karate using different applications of the basics. Thank u for sharing this experience.
Happy you enjoyed, thank you for your comment 🙏
Denis this is awesome dude. I didn't even know about these styles. I tried Kudo in Denmark a few weeks back and it was amazing. Getting back to Kyokushin now and it's like going home. Glad to see you're doing well!
Thanks man! Kudo is cool 😎 nice to hear you’re keeping up the training🥋 are you in Denmark now? 🇩🇰
@@SaikouKarateno I'm still in Gothenburg, they had a seminar there over the weekend and I wanted to go try it. Always wanted to incorporate some grappling into Kyokushin. Next time I'm in Stockholm I'll come by the dojo and we'll spar!! 🥋
@@SloeElvis Ah I see, sweet!
I’m looking to set up a bit of a different training schedule from now on (since I want to continue working Shidokan style), but I will still be by the dojo on an irregular basis! Maybe you can let me know when you are heading there 👍
And now introduce a high level Muay Thai boxer into the mix for some assymetric techniques and let the sparks fly!
😅 if your every around Okinawa, call in.
Sure! Whereabouts in Okinawa?
real karate, and your good too. made me happy to see, Oss!
Thanks a lot for your kind words! Osu🥋
awesome journey! 🔥🔥🔥💪
Thanks a lot, it was a great time 👊🏼🔥
This is fantastic!
Osu thank you 🙏
If any one is interested, the Shidokan USA headquarters is in Chicago, Illinois
Looks like fun. And congratulations on shodan!
Thanks a lot!🙏
This type of training is excellent for bridging the gap between high level free sparring and grappling. A more traditional version of what MMA requires in skills. But the level of control and respect in the presence of high power kicking and striking is truly admirable!
Osu, thanks a lot for your nice comment 🥋🙏
i see some aikido moves on grappling sides, nice.
Now this looks interesting, thanks for sharing! I practiced Kyokushin for some 35 Years around. But since childhood i had allways a verry strong love to okinawan culture and its Karate. I did a real lot of tournaments in Kyokushin, including european championchips and worldcup. As helpfull and teachable as all this was i had all the time a strong feel of being "not complete", when limit myself to kyokushin. So i practiced also some other styles and especially was allways connected to okinawan Karate. But it did not work to melt it with Kyokushin finally due to diverse problems it brought with, including "political" stuff (what i hate inbetween, but other story ;) ).
Now, im a slow learner, but some years ago i saw Masaaki Ikemiyagi Sensei and his close student Filippo Gaspardo Sensei the first time. I was so impressed by this guys and the style connected to them, that i finally decided to leave Kyokushin behind me and connect with Meibukan Goju Ryu for full now. Im so happy with this, enjoyed every minute since them. Its so much more complete and the same time rooted deep in okinawan and original Karate history.
Right at 1:00 i noticed my Kancho Mr. Ikemiyagi Sensei next to yours it seems ♥ Love this! Is Shidokan rooted in okinawa i wonder? But anyway, Guys, keep up your way, looks and feels good and strong!
That’s awesome man 👊🏼 great to read your story and it’s very relatable! Good to hear you feel at home with what you’re doing now!
Indeed, Shidokan has a pretty strong connection to Goju Ryu (though not exclusively) - and the kancho & other higher ups in the organisation regularly have joint training with masters in Okinawa. They draw a lot especially in terms of kata from that, and I think the Okinawan karatekas appreciate the kumite work of Shidokan in those joint trainings as well!
You did really well in the Kumite. Shidokan is a great style
Thanks a lot 🙏 I agree it has been amazing so far!🥋
amazing
Thank you! Cheers!
Good for you! I'm familiar with a few faces in the dojo from their visits to Australia.
Thank you!
Oh nice :D ‼
Nice to see my very first student promoted to black belt from the late 70's/early 80's Peter Mylonas in the video :)@@SaikouKarate
@@kempowarrior1954 Great and friendly guy with very nice Kobudo kata, enjoyed meeting and talking to him!😃
That's awesome man! You trained in Japan for 3 months. That's so great!
Thanks 😄🥋 Is training going well for you?
@@SaikouKarate not really 😂
But I'm gonna get back to training soon.
I was more playing football these days ⚽. Very fun. Good for cardio at least.
@@jean4j_ I expect your low kicks will be great then!😎
Your sparring partner have a good tai sabaki, his shifting is quite good, on the other hand, you have a good counter measure of that movement, nice
Thanks a lot 🙌🥋 Osu!
Very interesting! I had never heard of Shidokan. It sounds similar to Kudo.
👍👍
Thank you!
Yeah it's a kind of similar but more barehand stuff and also includes traditional kata / bunkai which is removed in Kudo
Welcome to the Shidokan school! Osu!
Osu! 🙏
Congratulations!
Thank you!🥋
Wow , you have great conditioning and fitness.
Osu thanks a lot 🙏😄
I need their grappling bunkai ❤️❤️❤️
So much to learn 👊🏼
There are many competitions in the world with full contact rules. It’s called Irikumi kumite and includes all variations of striking and grappling techniques including submissions and chokes.
Congratulations on achieving a well-deserved shodan...the first step!
Thank you!🥋
Bro that guy was so good he foot swept you from behind while you had dominate position.
I have never seen that before. He just invented that on the spot.
Definitely some next level grappling hahaha. I was shocked when I was on the floor.
japanese cover of la vida loca.... amazing
Awesome. I train in Kudo and MMA in Tokyo but my background is Kyokushin. I really want to get back into knockdown karate though. I'm looking at maybe both Ashihara or Shidokan. Do Shidokan guys compete in knockdown karate tournaments as well? I know they have there own kickboxing and karate divisions here but I'm not sure.
That's cool!
Yeah, Shidokan guys go to all sorts of tournaments. They even host tournaments (one coming up in November) that has Kyokushin rules, Shidokan rules and modified MMA rules divisions.
Ashihara in Tokyo was not my cup of tea.
@@SaikouKarate I've heard similar stories from Kenjutsu circles, where they don't let "relative outsiders" train immediately, only watch. Only after a certain period of observing would they allow training. Could be Japanese culture. Could just be the dojo operator's personal philosophy. I wouldn't give my own comments on that practice since I haven't been to Japan myself, but hey, to each their own I guess. Just sad that they weren't as open to sharing as others are.
@@SaikouKarate Ok thanks for the reply.Shidokan really intrigued me and I'll look for some dojos in the Tokyo area, any recommendations are welcome, I'm mainly competition focused.
If you don't mind me asking, why not Ashihara in Tokyo? The dojo in Tokyo was one of the places I was looking into for knockdown karate was there.
@@JunelieArthur111 Yeah, it was not only that but also kind of their tone when speaking as well as general questions, but I'll also give them the benefit of doubt.
@@budoka_gaijin So I've only trained with Kancho in Saitama, and since corona it's only a few people there each time so it's a good opportunity to get 1 on 1 training. For kumite it's a bit inconsistent, since it depends on who's coming around that day/week. I had opportunities to meet and spar champions in Shidokan as well as Kyokushin, skilled Judokas etc, but there was also periods of complete different training focus. This was no problem for me since I wanted to get rounded training in all aspects rather than just competition. In any case, I can recommend you make a call to Kancho Okubo and state your goals with training etc and he should be able to point you in the right direction. Super friendly guy.
shidokan.jp/japan/
Iuiana Soeno Hanshi invited me to join them weeks ago, interesting video my friend. Best regardrs from México
Nice! I met them just 2 days ago myself.
Thanks a lot, osu :)
I trained, fought, and coached in Tokyo for 10 years. In 2005 I was the Shidokan middleweight world champion. We fought in Chicago.
I'm not sure which country you're from but maybe you can get a working holiday visa so you can stay longer.
That’s really cool man, thanks for sharing 🙌 I guess you know Okubo Kancho well then!
I’m able to get a couple of different visas for Japan actually but this time only 3 months fit into my schedule. I’ll go again next year and will see how long it is then :)
@@SaikouKarate no sorry, I don't know Okubo Kancho. I trained with Nicholas Pettas when I was there.
@@casz7098 ah I see, so you trained Kyokushin but competed in Shidokan if I understood it correctly?
...the competitor guy showed him as a sportsman. A fair training
So I have been looking at a lot of dojos in Saitama and Tokyo. A lot them are more focused in kickboxing than karate it seems? Which is fine but it seems karate is very much secondary
The one I was at (Okubo Kancho’s dojo in Saitama) is like 99% karate!
I can’t speak for the other dojos in detail but I’ve seen some 50/50, some more kickboxing and some more karate. 🤔
Great video. Go practice at our HQ I’m sure they would love to have you practice Kudo OSU
I would love to join in a practice at the Kudo HQ next time in Japan, it's also in Tokyo if I am not mistaken?
@@SaikouKarate yes it is! Have a great time keep up the great work. Brilliant channel
@@kudouk Really appreciate that! 🙏 OSU🥋
Long time fan of the channel, I’ve just quit my job, and I want to train in Japan for a period of time. I’ve been doing kyokushin for about three years now, but Shidokan and Kudo also interest me, do you have any advice or tips on how to train in Japan?
Hi Brian, thanks for your comment!
I think it depends mainly on 3 factors:
1. Your Japanese skill level or lack thereof
2. Whether you are bound to any specific geographic location (in terms of, where you will be staying)
3. Your personal interest
If you have at least conversational Japanese, you will have a much easier time in terms of, you can contact any organisation or dojo owner, ask questions, apply for training without issue. If not, you might be limited to the ones with online e-mail correspondence and using translation tools to set it up. For example, I contacted the kancho of Shidokan by phone, and it might have been a bit tricky otherwise.
Where you decide to stay (and even which part of the city in question) also factors in. I had around 3 hours back&forth commute to my dojo, which was a bit tough. Had I lived on the south side of Tokyo it would have been impossible to attend the way I did.
I think you should consider what you are most interested in and what your goals are. If you just want to train at a Kyokushin dojo in Japan, you can easily do that and they are everywhere - not much research needed. But if you have specific goals like attaining a new skill set, learning a new style you usually would not have access to in your home country, etc, then it requires more careful planning.
Osu 🥋
@@SaikouKarate thanks for the quick response! I was thinking if I couldn’t do the formal uchi Deshi program that’s offered by IKO kawaguchi Honbu, I would find a hostel or some form of affordable accommodation near a major kyokushin dojo. I’d be coming from England. I have a lot of money saved up from my work and nothing to worry about like kids or mortgages so I figured now is the best time to go. I figured Japanese language knowledge would be the major hurdle to this so I’ll keep that in mind. Thank you!
@@amazed2341 Sounds like you have a wide variety of options in that case!
In my case, I was very specific about what I wanted stylistically - but Kyokushin is abundant. I’d say look up some major Kyokushin dojos in a city of your interest (just hover to the city in google maps and type 極真 into the search field), and you should get up a bunch of websites with contact forms. Some google translate and you’re there :)
Very nice and impressive. Im a fellow Swede training in judo and in karate, kyokushin and Wadoryu. Can i find this style in Sweden?
Thanks a lot 🥋
No, unfortunately it does not exist in Sweden (yet, wink wink 😜)
@@SaikouKarate ok, nice i see 😁👍🥋
One of the best karate styles! Osu!
Osu!🥋
Hey Man, I'm a muay thai fighter living in Thailand and I want to learn kyokushin but i have no experience. Is there any places you'd recommend?
Hey!
Currently am a part of Shidokan, which is an offshoot of Kyokushin but technically not Kyokushin. I am afraid I don’t know much about Kyokushin in Thailand. If you go to Japan and are looking for specifically Kyokushin, I recommend you to train at a honbu of one of the major organisations.
I am currently training under the International Karate Organization Nakamura (IKON), initially planning to switch from my current organization, which is IKON, to Shidokan (Yoshiji Soeno's karate) because I have to level up my bunkai skills (I actually do not want to throw away my bunkai skills that I have gained from Kyokushin-kan, which I only gained in their online classes because it was only the type of class that is currently available, which is my former organization before IKON).
I was previously in Kyokushinkan and am very satisfied with the bunkai and general method taught in Shidokan Karate 🥋
What is the exact location of this dojo?
@@edgardo9003 225-1 Nishiyamamura Shinden, Minuma Ward, Saitama, 337-0034, Japan
Thank you very much!
@@SaikouKarate, what belt did you start in Shidokan Karate?
I trained full contact karate in the usa for six years.
im just curious as to why he chooses to wear bigger baggier pants for hi gi. you would think that it hinders mobility/flexibility but clearly not in his case! that was some good karate!
Haha got the karategi here in Japan and the pants were a bit long and simply had no opportunity to shorten them 😰
Thank you 👊🏼🥋
Hey is this comparable to gojo ryu karate would i be able to pick some of the training up faster if i have trained gojo ryu karate
Yes it has a lot of influence from Goju Ryu. Shidokan does all of the Goju Ryu katas + the Pinan series, and 1 original kata + some bo & other weapon stuff as far as I know.
Other than that it just depends on what kind of kumite your goju ryu dojo practices, but technique & kata wise it's very close.
They also recognise ranks to some extent if it's a closely related style. I was able to start from brown due to my Kyokushin experience and after training every day for a few months I took the black belt exam there.
@@SaikouKarate thanks for your knowledge
5:46 Livin’ La Vida Loca 😂
i was boping to japanese living lavida loca on the background
Haha it was all sorts of interesting music on in that dojo every day 😆
Hello; I like to know why kyokushin etc styles use the trousers too long? Thanks
These ones I am wearing are longer than normal 😂 Unfortunately had no access to a sewing machine here in Japan, but planning to shorten them as soon as I get back to atleast be above the heel.
Were you already a first kyu brown belt in Shidokan when you arrived in Japan? Or was it the intense time and past experiences that you had that earns you the rank of shoran in Shidokan Karate? Osu.
I was allowed to start from the rank mostly due to my years of experience in Kyokushin Karate and Judo.🥋 Shodan exam I did at the end of my months of training in Japan.
Osu!
@@SaikouKarate Osu. Fair enough. I mean, you trained with Kancho so, the direct source of Shidokan, a LOT of knowledge
@@ADAM_COLLECTS Oh definitely, I made sure to use the time well. I was there atleast 2 hours each time and 5 times a week!🙏 Osu
Sensei, you almost suplexed the Judo man. 😂
😂If only he was half the weight
Is it ok in Karate if you wear a Zubon that is too large for you?
How much did this trip cost you?
This is the karategi I received from them so not much I could do haha.
Knockdown karategis do have longer pants than most Karate styles though. However I'm gonna adjust them to atleast make them go above my heel. Bad if you step on the pants during training :P
Not too much, due to my personal circumstances I did not need to pay for accommodations during my stay!
osoto makikomi is the technique 5:21
try to practice Kudo karate . it's a blend of kyokushin , judo , boxing and other martial arts .
Hello from algeria and OSS
Osu 🥋
The throw is called Soto Makikomi. Check it out
Thanks! It looks a little bit different though as he kind of hooked my leg which I don't see in the Kodokan demo of Soto Makikomi
@@SaikouKarate maybe more of a Harai Makikomi. He definitely held off to not hurt you in the floor. Either way these are both connected in a combative form
Did you vist the Okubo Dojo or which one?
Yes, that's where I trained for my entire stay :)
@@SaikouKarate Nice there! Did you speak English with them?
@@tmusic591 No English, just Japanese!
@@SaikouKarate wow! Respect! Did you study Japanese?
@@tmusic591 I have studied for around 5 years :)
This is kinda like what we do in my dojo but with more protection (Shito Ryu). I would be the 120 kg guy 😂.
Nice 👊🏼🥋
I'm a fellow Shito-Ryu karate Kai nice to hear of your hard training. Where are u guys located. I'm in Detroit, mi
@@dnice583 I train at a Shito Ryu school in Edison NJ.
@@carlosllanos4689 nice👍
Its Great when you have time and money to do this
I didn’t have much time nor money but I did have very fortunate circumstances aligning that made this possible🙏
Your accent sounds familiar. Are you Swedish or from a nordic country?
Swedish yes 🇸🇪
@@SaikouKarate Aha. Ja jag kollade videon igen och såg på kartan att du flög från Stockholm. Jag är bara en idiot som hoppade över det lol
@@pavelcabak-oscarsgymnasiet1353 nej då!🥋
Do this same video but for Ashihara or Enshin.
I did visit Ashihara in Tokyo but not the friendliest place, so unfortunately this kind of video wouldn’t have been possible there. I would love to train with some Ashihara/Enshin guys sometime though.
@@SaikouKarate Sad to hear Ashihara was not welcoming. Maybe try some Enshin Dojos. I trained at the honbu dojo in Colorado, USA. They were very friendly and tough.
Good luck and thanks for your hard work.
@@Tamales21 If I have the opportunity to visit the honbu in Colorado then I will do it sometime :) I have a friend who trains there so it's possible!
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Great video. I’ve got one problem that has always annoyed me though. Someone should really rip these guys a new one for not properly tying their belts. It looks bad when someone has been training long enough to become a black belt but still end up having to continuously fix their belt during a sparring session. You on the other hand were awesome. 👏👏👏
Oh I know what you mean, it’s surprising how many don’t know how to properly tie their belts 😂
Thanks a lot 👊🏼🥋
What's the name of this professional wrestler?
Tonosaki, not sure if he uses an alias or not
@@SaikouKarate Thanks. Now I get it. He is Kosaku Tonosaki (外崎幸作), working for an independent wrestling promotion called A-TEAM.
@@user-yo4fq9zb3j Right, that’s him!🙌
Ossss
Osu🥋🙌
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5:21 is a technique to prevent a suplex, very common in MMA.
Full contact but no sparring?
Half of this video is knockdown karate sparring
Mmm but I did not see punches to the face? Maybe its different from boxing.
@@reddot_22 We do that too, but either we have gloves and do punches to the head, or helmet and use open-hand strikes to the face, or neither and remove hand-strikes to the head 👍 all are working on different skillsets
The thing that I do not like in this kind of sparring is not to use punches and kickes to the head (with gloves of course) You don't train your reflexes and tend to let your hands down, but in a real fight no one is going to punch you on your stomach. Anyway, it's a humble opinion, I'm an Isshin Ryu practitioner and I love karate. Oss!
Thanks for your comment!
This ruleset is focused on developing some different aspects of technique that are harder to develop when you allow everything at the same time.
We always use kicks to the head, (and maybe half of the time we use hand strikes to the head also), but personally I don’t think gloves are a very good way to train for self-defence as it changes how we think about hand strikes to the head pretty heavily.
It’s not uncommon in Shidokan to put on gloves and spar with head punches but an alternative one that we also like to do is no gloves& no wraps with open hand strikes to the head.
@@SaikouKarate i'm a practioner of Taijutsu, my master is a Ninjutsu 2 dan and Goju Karate blackbelt, we do light spar every day and harder on saturdays, the role week is something we call "taparia" which is that vale tudo style with open hands to the head. It's a very good way of practicing. People don't understand how easy It is to break your hands against a Skull, i broke mine several times even using gloves and doing lots of conditioning.
@@CEOdosPutos Yes indeed, sparring just with gloves and wraps gives you a false sense of security, both in terms of offence and defence, as well as a false sense of what it actually means to strike a hard surface with your knuckles.
Casually collecting black belts? next year you get the ashihara one maybe?
Congrats
Haha that would be cool😂 I'm thinking I might spend some time on Judo maybe!
Thank you!
Osu
Osu 🥋
Very good introduction to Shidokan. But no Kumite in here, sorry.
Bro, why didn't you wash or change the gi all together? It looks nasty.
It’s an unbleached Karategi, it is naturally that colour 😂
@@SaikouKarate oh, sorry then bro, I'll watch the video again as a show of respect for the kind answer. :)
@@harlemdeni haha no problem and thank you 🙏
Osu
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