Californian Reacts | Which country has the most powerful military: UK or France?
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- čas přidán 24. 04. 2023
- Two powerful militaries and how they compare between the British and the French. Who has more troops? More military equipment? Advanced systems? And so much more.
Both are truly impressive! Proud to be allies.
Let's dive into it!
Rafale is still considered one of the best omnirole fighter
it can do any mission compared to the Eurofighter.
There are several variants like the new Rafale F4 and F4.1 thought.
Rafale can also carry the ASMPA-R a mid range H bomb missile.
"The UK and France are two of the greatest military (and cultural) powers to ever exist. They laid the framework for every other successful modern military. Glad to have them both as allies! 🇬🇧🇫🇷 much love from a grateful American." - A comment from the original video which sums it up as an American.
Truly an immense amount of history between the British and French, along with the massive amount of influence they both have had on the world.
hello American friends I am French! we have a poetic image but we are warriors the French are preparing, yes we are allied with the English and you, we must not forget the Germans you will see when they wake up they are also warriors we know something about that! 🙏
merci amis anglais nous serons plus fort ensemble
I have a deep respect for the Royal Navy. But regarding the 2 British aircraft carriers, they don't have catapults - which means less efficient aircrafts even for the F35 Navy while the Rafale M is quite efficient, omni role and therefore as good as the F35; besides, the British carriers are not nuclear. And the 3 large French helicopters / troops carriers were forgotten in the video. For the nuclear weapons, France doesn't depends on the US unlike UK. Anyway, the 2 countries are allies and their military are complementary which represents - with Germany - a huge problem for Putin if he puts even a toe in NATO territory - as we can plan, following his pathetic war against Ukraine.
Of course the French army is bigger. France has led borders that need defending. Even at the hight of empire the UK never had the world's biggest army.
First of all, I think that most of the comments made are wrong, even you HistorYEET! The UK has 2 newer aircraft carriers, but technologically inferior to the French one, even if it is much older, it is a nuclear aircraft carrier with a catapult. France is the only country in the world that has a nuclear aircraft carrier outside the US. Many people have commented that the military forces in the UK are much better prepared, maybe yes or maybe not. France had found its military involved in military conflicts in Africa and other regions of the world. No matter how well you train your troops, it doesn't compare to a real conflict. Now regarding the air forces, yes UK has F35 and Typhoon, France has Rafale and Mirage. The Rafale is considered one of the best fighter jets in the world and the Mirage, even if they are old, can still put up a good fight. F35 relies a lot on invisibility that has not yet been tested in a real fight, at how fast technology advances you can't be sure if they can be detected or not, when you fight an opponent who in turn has quite a lot of technology advanced, if the F35 can't rely on invisibility, it's like a dead target and it's not made for close air combat. The Typhoon is also a very good fighter plane, but inferior to the Rafale, anyway the experience of the pilots is very important here as I think both the UK and France have very well trained pilots. In naval forces the UK has a small advantage. So in general, the UK and France are pretty much neck and neck when it comes to military strength, but yes, the UK has a small advantage in naval forces, but France has a stronger land military force plus many more missile launchers and not in lastly, France is ahead of the UK in terms of nuclear weapons, possessing 300 and the UK 255, plus, in order to be able to use the nuclear weapons it possesses, the UK needs the consent of the USA, while France does not. Anyway, all this doesn't matter in the end, they are allied states and let's hope that we will never see an armed conflict between the two states. Sorry if the expression is not exactly correct, English is not my native language, I am from Romania.
Sorry, @DeuxAlex, but you are wrong about the nukes. The UK deterrent is operationally independent, and the UK does not require US or NATO authorisation to use its deterrent - UK nuclear weapons remain under political control at all times; only the Prime Minister can authorise the firing of UK nuclear weapons
The comparison is mute because we have differing priorities. France has a large land border to protect so it needs a larger land force. The UK is an island so its going to prioritise its navy and air force over ground forces. Obviously the UK government won't reveal their tactics but I believe that the current strategy is to have the ability to fight the war as far away from the territory as possible.
This is highlighted by the fighter jets. All French jets need a catapult (which can fail and ground all planes) or a runway (which gives away the jets positions). A chunk of the UK jets can take off without these and that gives them a huge strategic advantage.
The UK have never been about brute power but rather about strategy. Being able to do more with less is brings a massive advantage when it comes to logistics. The Russians proved that early in the Ukraine war when their logistics couldn't keep up with their advancements.
But then as the video highlights, we're allies. By having differing abilities means we can complement each other and overcome an enemy.
France Charle de gaule aircraft carrier is already a nuclear one !
The older French planes are Mirage 2000. The Rafale are as recent as the Typhoon and they are way more versatile. They are the only non-US plane that can operate on US aircraft carriers.
In case of nuclear strike, the UK needs the green light from the US because their Trident missiles are loaned by the US and the Typhoon can't carry nuclear weapons. France nuclear arsenal is totally independant and the Rafale (both marine and air force versions) can carry nuclear weapons.
5:51 With its overseas territories, the French Navy has to cover the world's second biggest maritime domain (11 million km2 VS 7 million km2).
We've been out numbered throughout History, so we aren't too worried just yet, just DONT make more cuts to our Military anymore than you have done already UK Government.
Last comments from the presentation are very important. UK and French armies have been roughly equivalent for many years, with an edge for the Royal navy, and an advantage for the French ground forces; But in recent years, the very difficult economic situation of the UK that lost a lot with Brexit has meant a reduction of the quality of the UK army. The situation is exactly reversed for France, they had a low investment early 2010s' but have reinvested since 2018 and their recent army budgetary plan is planning for again more investment. UK navy used to be better but the production of new ships has been massively delayed. Only one of their two carriers is operational, with a reduced air wing. French navy is not much better but they at least got a batch of new excellent attack submarines. Air forces are roughly equal if you look at fighters: while it is true that France still operate modernised Mirage 2000, UK also as trench 1 Typhoons that are being retired as they have very limited operational capacities, so their actual number of available fighters is going to go down as F35 procurement is very slow. Ground forces of both countries have suffered from lack of funding but France has been faster to renew its armored vehicle fleet. There are however other areas that few people talk about and that are critical: drones, security (computing network etc.) and space. Both countries suffer from a lack of drones and are trying to catch up based on the lessons learned from recent conflicts. I have very little info on the UK security systems but France is now investing heavily in that field. And France has an edge regarding the use of space for military purposes, UK largely depends on US information. France logistic equipment is also better than that of the UK because France has been projecting forces abroad for many years using their own material (although with help from the US and other EU countries), while the UK is again heavily dependent on the US. An area where both countries are on par, and in that they differ from other European countries' armies, is in training and experience. Both countries' armies have been participating in real conflicts over the years and are thus "battle-tested". Finally, France has an edge in its military procurement system: there is a very close link between the ministry directorate general for armement, the army and the military industries, and most programmes are thus more or less on time and within budget (there are of course exceptions but this is the general case). UK on the other hand has suffered from very poor procurement processes in recent years (as has Germany) which has hampered its capacity of modernization.
Great video French and UK military power are pretty similar but again on the Carrier... First one of UK's is still not fonctionnal so just one Carrier as up now and no catapult but a ramp so no AWACS and just 26 F35 B, less fuel and less bomb by plane in term of capabilities yes the French Charles de Gaules is older but still no comparison.
Our 2nd carrier, Prince of Wales has been laid up due to some serious faults....it's not looking good.
They are taking parts from it to repair our other carrier
3.30pm. Britain has nuclear submarines. France does not.
@Valerie Davidson France currently has six nuclear-powered Rubis- and Améthyste-class attack submarines (SSNs) on active duty.
We, Britain, have 7 on active duty and 3 under construction
@@tiggerwood8899 Thank you for putting me straight.
RN website announced yesterday it will be operational this summer.
pour les typhon tu a raison ils sont pas terrible c'est du low cost! car la France n'a pas voulu donner ces technologie sur le typhon :) vue que le projet n'été pas favorable a la France nous avons fourni un minimun de service sur cette avion^^ le rafale reste le mieux noté au monde un avions de chasse 5éme génération noté 5.8! c'est dire le monstre^^ par contre le F35 n'est pas le meilleur avions de chasse au monde ! il a perdu a 2 reprises contre le rafale! mais bon la réalité c'est que les pays qui sont lié a l'amérique avec les bombe nucléaire doivent acheter américain car ils ne sont pas compatible avec les modéles non américains! c'est un véritable probléme de souverainneté pour certain pays d'Europe!
The F-35 is indeed a good aircraft. Worth remembering that it is a joint project between the USA and the UK, not just a US product.
UK navy is the fourth largest in terms of tonnage in the world its navy vessels tend to be larger tonnage than Frances for example the RN subs.
more tonnage doesn't mean better. if your aircraft carries can't set sail or if your nuclear attack submarines can't shoot nuclear missiles, put all the tonnage you want, they're useless.
Auckus and Canada that's real allies
An ally is someone who makes a difference. Australia and Canada have nearly 0 projection capacity.
An ally is someone you can trust and Australia is a setting stage for south China sea and Australia has a decent military that's increasing. UK is our number 1 ally and even they need to start increasing their military
To date, the other military powers that own this type of vessel only have one (France, Russia, India) or two (like, recently, the United Kingdom and China). Only France, like the United States, has a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier.
In practice the French military is far superior at the moment. Probably the best in the EU so far.
Rule of thumb for warships. Frigates are usually anti sub. Destroyers as usually anti air.
Noted!
Thing with comparisons it goes by numbers and is constantly changing and upgrades. Russia was 10 times more powerful than Ukraine who in theory should of walked over Ukraine yet struggles even to take a single town. Go through history Persians had something like 300,000 troops against Spartains 5,000 and lost and there are plenty of other examples. There are so many other factors like training, morale, willingness, deception, quality, intelligence, politics and the need to know and luck. etc etc.
Yeh bit they are not just fighting Ukraine are they! This is a proxy war!
A France and British combined force would be the perfect combination.
Rafale is up up up in comparison to Typhoon, aircraft carrier with catapult is far more superior in reach and speed pf take off than a ramp, Our nuclear missiles are our own nuke. We dont need approbation of UDS to use them. We are more independant than the Brits. The domain where the brit are better is intellignence with the mi6
"We always have been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France." ---- Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington
it's the opposite, France will always be detested by the Brits. they never forgave us the lost of the Saxons by Guillaume Le Conquérant and they are still angry about us for the shame they felt in Dunkerque because they never admitted they could fled by the see due mainly to the Heroic Resistance of the French army to hold the outskirts of the city during one month against german assaults. Thats why and where the french white flag stories came from. it's a freudian projection of their own weakness on us.
hello dear English friends! The French love the English, the Irish, the Welsh, the Scots, stop believing that we hate you! Let's instead think about uniting, we might need each other!
In military exercices, french rafale has always severely beaten the Typhoons... ooow how can it be possible from the lazy cowards ?
The Rafale has touched the US ultimate fighter jet in simulation. Don't underestimate the old ones, they will make you regret it 😂
But we still love our historical rival, the UK. 😁
In actual war games, Britain dropped 2 Nuclear bombs on American cities.
Not relevant to this reaction but have you thought of doing a reaction to Wales or the Welsh National anthem?
France of course. The UK is in decline
Lol, Get that white flag out! When the mess hits the fan you can rely on the French to give in
@@MrNifts France have not only 5 years. You need to know the history of France kid.
@@MrNiftsDo you know the history of the white flag? 😂😂😂 You will be surprise 😏😗
@@MrNifts France has the best military record in History. Reading won't do you harm.
The British and the French are allies - what? 🤣
Of course they are …
Any good history book teach you such ranking are pointless when conflict becomes reality.
The UK has an Indian Prime Minister. What happened to the manhood of the White British man? Where is your pride????!!! Where did it disappear??!!
I think it comes down to training. The British are very well trained. x
as if the french aren't Lol
Our carriers would be great, but they keep breaking down.
The UK's carriers are a scandal. The tax payer paid for three and a half carriers...and got two. Maybe when the gov actually buys enough RN F35's to actually equip both carriers. Then we may be onto something
I'm sure it will take a decade or so to iron out the problems. I always think of the F-35 program. All we heard was issue after issue, being massively over budget, and more issues for a solid 10+ years it seemed. Now those problems have seemed to be fixed for the most part and doing quite well. British carriers are so new still, full of cutting edge technology and new ways of building carriers for the modern age. They will be great! (well, I'm pretty sure)
eurofighter typhoon are known to be crap
France have 11 Destroyers and 12 Frigates not 4 destroyers.......
OK, from the moment you consider the F-35 to be the best plane in the world, I'm not listening any more.
Let's always look at the training and excellent backlog of experience the british outshines anyone on earth simply because out history had outbeat anyone ..
Hi, I don't think the French army has less training than the British. The same goes for French military history. The French army has learned a lot since 1940 = to be humble and to constantly question itself. Above all, she has been looking for a certain independence since the 1950s. Unfortunately, we cannot say that about the British army and the disastrous political decisions for Europe, which remains dependent on the USA.
France through her history has fought and win more battles compare to England, and it's a fact ;^)
Plus, it's France. They could have double Britains capability & still not win lol. Britain will always have France number 😂
Considering we beat you comprehensively in recent war games it’s not the Yanks and until the French can rebuild their white-flag producing factories it’s not them either. Ipso facto it’s we British.
French rifle for sale. - Never fired. Dropped twice.
To be fair the French fought a brave brilliant rearguard action at Dunkerque enabling the British force to escape
Tell me WW2 is the only conflict you have ever learned about without telling me WW2 is the only conflict you have ever learned about.
Same old tired jokes. Inferiority complex?
@@darkduprey4079 Didn't the french surrender to the vietnamese?
@@NicolasViard-kc9dm The old ones are the best.
France offcourse... 🇨🇵