RT81 vs RT85 Showdown!
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The Ortofon 2M Blue makes up the price difference by itself!
True 😊👍
I've been wanting to get the Ortofon 2M Red ($100) for a while for my Audio Technica LP120XUSB to upgrade the stylus. Now I think I'll get the Ortofon 2M Blue ($200), which I also have considered.
Add the acrylic, and over half the entire tt price. Love my RT85
@@nestelberg5672 From what I have heard there is not a significant difference in sound quality between the red and blue. Both are great.
It's only a price savings if you have a preamp already.
Just got my RT81 today!! Thanks to your videos along with several other creators, i realized how important it was to upgrade from my Victrola 8-in-1. Already in love with the sound quality! Didn’t want to break the bank though. The 85 here isn’t double the points on the 81 so i figure i still got a good deal.
I thought about upgrading my AT-LP120-USB to the RT85 but went with the Pro-ject Debut Carbon EVO and upgraded the platter to the acrylic one. Freaking LOVE the table and it makes practically no noise at all. Super happy with it!
Jarrett, when you were talking about the motors, you mentioned the basics and not the specifics. The 85 has a circuit that checks the speed 500 times per second, which means the 85 is far more accurate.
...and since Fluance are known for inconsistent speeds this is key
@@roof8978 yep. They needed to address that problem because the RT 81 had terrible speed accuracy.
Ive even seen some reviews that even mention speed issues with the higher end models even with the speed control circuit, its the main thing that keeps me from buying a Fluance and I really like them and for two hundred fifty it seems even the RT81 should have a speed accurate motor, Ive had many tables and speed accuracy problems have been a rare problem
@@yambo59 Yep, that's been pretty common. Watching some CZcams channels on turntables and buyers have said that there have been speed issues with the higher end Fluances. I bought a Pro-Ject Debut Carbon DC after thorough research and found it to be bang on speed wise.
Jarrett’s ultimate ironic tee would be a Crosley shirt
😂
For someone on more of a “budget” I would recommend getting an RT82 and then over time upgrading it to an 85.
Just doing the Platter and 2M Blue would cost you an extra $120. Save your money until you can afford the RT 85.
@@pseudoty at current prices on amazon the 2m Blue is 240USD on its own. that puts the RT81 at the same price as the RT85 without the platter.
Excellent again Jarrett. I have the Audio Technica LP60X Bluetooth version. Sounds like a high end turntable connected to my legacy Goodmans amplifier with 5 speakers and a sub. These two turntables in your video look the business, and I do think that belt drives have less chance of vibration and breakdown. Like the LP60X, I tend to sway more towards belt drives than direct, although your LP120 is a cracker.
I have the RT85 piano black with Klipsch rp 150m speakers/ Klipsch synergy 10in sub paired with a Kenwood 1080vr receiver and the art djii preamp...sounds amazing ! All thanks to you man!! You were a huge influence!!
Just opened one of your videos now after months and I gotta say, nice hair! To me personally I like it better and it makes you look a lot younger.
I think another point that may be worthwhile mentioning is that both turntables have removable headshells, which allows for using different cartridges for different music applications like mono for instance....
Amazing as always brother!! Great comparison.
Thank you so much for watching dude!
Cheers, i own the RT81 i love it and everything about it... O did manage to find a thinner acrylic slip mat that fits so that helps for sure. Maybe one day ill save up some Scratch and buy the higher end model. They're both Swell TurnTables👍😎
The RR85 has a better motor and it’s mounted farther from the platter. 1 extra point to the 85. Also the built in preamp is a nice to have but will not sound as good as a turntable without one , even if using the same external preamp.
You cannot go wrong with the RT85. I have one and love it!
I’m glad you love yours as much as I love mine! They’re really built well! 😊
I dunno...I went direct drive in the '90s. Can't go back to relying on a rubber band. :/
The one thing I would really have liked to see was a head to head listening test and your opinion of what you heard.
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My only concern about the acrylic platter is cleaning the vinyl with a static brush. Does the vinyl grip the platter securely during this cleaning process? I static/dust clean my vinyl this way EVERY time before I drop that needle, as I'm sure most vinyl enthusiasts do, and I'm a bit concerned that the platter may be likely to keep spinning while the record may slip causing it to be scratched up by the platter. Does the acrylic platter grip the vinyl well if at all? I'm hoping someone can confirm this concern of mine.
Hey jarrett can you start doing more cassette and cd videos again
Dude I frickin love your videos. Also, not to be weird but bruh your hair looks sick.
Hi Questions..i got the Rt85 and a pair of yamaha hs7…can you advise what i need to connect this system together?
Cannot wait your next video !!!!!!
Had a 81 but upgraded to a 85. I heard the difference from the very first. Definitely happy with my choice
Just got the RT82, you can gradually up grade the platter, and cartridge and boom you turn your rt 82 into an 85
This is probably the deciding factor for me choosing the RT82 over the 81.
@@mikexlr8 RT82 is definitely the better option over the RT81. Also why a lot of people have a choice between the LP120 and the RT82 without thinking of the 81
But when they run a sale like they did Aug. 24 on their website for that RT81 for 211 dollars 15% off. Kind of hard to pass on it
@@raygu1818 If you end up upgrading your cartridge later down thr line in my opinion even for the extra $ the 82 is worth it.
@@nix10kodeey
No argument from me. In fact the 82 would be all i need. I don't have to have the Ortofon blue or red. As for the 81 there are some nice Audio Technica cart upgrades
I just received my Rt 85, which is connected to the fluance pa10 phono preamp, which is then connected to my kenwood VR-407, which is connected to my vizio soundbar. It makes a loud distorted sound. Any help?
This is actually one of the processes I've been using recently whenever I think about buying something. It's good to know where exactly that extra money is going. For example, that 85 does look really nice, but just for me personally, the acrylic platter and 2m blue don't justify extra cash. I'd be perfectly happy with the 81 and mounting my own cart. Awesome vid!
Get the RT82 much better than the 81 for only $50 more
The 81 is a fine turntable and you’re going to love it. That’s the cool thing about the RT lineup, you can always upgrade parts as you need them. It’s a versatile turntable.
The RT85's not having a built-in switchable preamp is actually a plus to me, as most if not all built-in preamps aren't really all that good, and it eliminates just that much more electronics for the signal to go to before going to a good preamplifier, i.e., a dedicated external one. I hear a lot of people have actually de-soldered and removed the built-in preamp from their Audio-Technica AT-LP120USB turntables, for example.
They offer an external preamp, or just do what I’m doing, have a vintage receiver with a phono line in.
How big of a sound difference is it? Can you buy speakers to bring out more warmth in the 81 to make it somewhat comparable to the 85?
I love that each of the showdowns end with a freebie point specifically for not being Crosley Cruisers 😂😂😂
I have a Denon DP 300F. What do you think about this? Thanks
Funny enough been considering an RT82 for awhile now and will probably pull the trigger on it in the next couple weeks.
I’m getting my rt85 tomorrow or Wednesday, I ordered it on the 22 almost 9 days later and it’s not here yet, hopefully it comes out good. My first major turntable as before I had a GemSound New York GT-USB which worked out amazing but I’m really hoping this one meets up to its expectations for being 500.
You’re going to love it! Enjoy all the great music! 🎵😊👍
Could you review the Lenco L-3806 Stereo Turntable?
Although I put more money into it, I received as a gift an RT82 which I upgraded with an Ortofon Blue and an acrylic platter. Essentially I have an RT85 which I love even more.
I like the RT81 because of the rubber mat witch will keep more contact with warped records! Plus the price is in my budget!
The 81 is excellent 👍
It seems people are forgetting you can still use an external pre amp with the rt81. Just gotta turn the switch at the back
Without any other context, would you recommend getting the RT81 or the AT-LP120X to start.
I'm looking to spend under 300 on a turntable.
What I understand about this topic is the RT81 is made in solid wood which is better 🤔
Does the 81 need speaker or does it have built in speakers
Sony PS-X55 with an Ortofon Super OM-10 that I plan on upgrading to a 20 or 30 stylus for me! I still wanna see you open more REKKIDS and give your thoughts about ‘em (hint, hint). Peace.
I'm on the fence between the Fluance RT 82 and the U-Turn custom with an acrylic platter. But I know I'll make my decision soon!
Never trust pre aligned cartridges. Always check the alignment BEFORE you use them.
Now that's good advice.
I've read numerous reviews on ALL the Fluance tables, and every one mentioned that the factory alignment was spot on.
@@len9518 That may be, but it always pays to check things out for yourself first because mistakes can happen and damage to records cannot be fixed.
Impressive to read about every single turntable. Reading about it, of course, precludes errors on the individual turntable, and makes it superfluous to spend a moment making sure. Your dedication is admirable, but how do you get time for other things?
@@TheSoundrookie I do NOT check out all those turntables. All I am saying is that if your table comes with a prealigned cartridge, you should check out that alignment for yourself to make sure it was done properly before you use it. Mistakes can occur.
I was hoping he would elaborate on what ive been hearing about the upper models having better motors with some kind of speed control and better wow and flutter specs. seems like this would have been an important point to focus on -- what I really dont like on ANY table is the belt being on the outside of the platter, seems cheesy to have the belt and motor pulley exposed to dust dirt and so on not to mention it looks low rent to me.
I still have my audio technica LP 120 and I love it...did song of the day die out?
New song of the day in the next video 😊👍
If you play with your Stylus/Cartrige Set Up for a long time, do I have to replace my whole Cartrige or only my Needle/Stylus? (PS.: Maybe you can make a Video about It ;-)
Only the stylus/needle, that wears out much faster than the cartridge itself. 👍
Is anyone making a Delrin platter mat?? BTW, I love seeing my records on your record wall!!
Mad respect for your generosity! 👍
Nice haircut!
I have the Marantz 6300. this one is really great for me
What receiver do you recommend for klipsch RP-150M speakers??
Can’t go wrong with the Yamahas, the R-S202 is a good value.
@@vinyleyezz thank you very much!
The last point was HILARIOUS.
can you please make a record collection video? if you do, thank you!!
to me the deciding factor between these models is whether you want to buy a pre amp separate or not. because when you price out the the cost of upgrading the RT80/81 into an RT85 you realize you'll spend more money. so ultimately the RT80/81 are for for people who just want to buy a turntable and speakers and nothing else. The RT85 is for those who either already own a phono pre-amp or are okay buying one along with the RT85.
for me i already have a 7.1 Denon AVR with a phono pre-amp so the RT85 is a no brainer.
Cut to the chase and just get the RT85.
I have the 85 and the outboard Fluance preamp. Very happy with it
Do any of these have vta?
Just bought the rt81 and micca speakers!
Can you do a Uturn Special Vs. RT85?
Thoughts on an acrylic turntable mat instead of switching the platter out completely? Anyone had any experience? Also are turntable platters universal? Just a curiosity.
The fluance acrylic platter won't work on the RT80 or RT81 but you can purchase an acrylic mat and ditch your rubber mat.
@@raygu1818 i ended up getting an LP120 and got an acrylic mat and I love it!
Nice video 😀👍🏽👍🏽
The RT85 vs AT LP120-X ?
Why? We already know the LP120 will go down in flames in any fair contest.
I just wish someone could make an acrylic platter in black and not always clear/whitish. It would look a little classier next to that rich-looking wood.
I recommend q band they are called the paint fumes
What’s your opinion on oneby1 record players
unrelated, but what is your opinion on Kanye West? (His music)
I would love to see a review on something like de crosley C6
Got the RT 85 with the acrylic platter and ortofon blue cartridge. My receiver has the phono input so no pre-amp needed. Very happy.
Nice! Sounds like an efficient setup! 👍
I was looking to get an RT85 as a second turntable, but I Can never save up because I spend my money on records themselves
Haha I know the feeling, the struggle is real 😅
Personally I'd go for the Debut Carbon Evo over the 85
Please compare Denon DP300 vs DP400
ps-lx310bt what would you rate this record player
I like your tape videos!!
I’ll make more of them 😊👍
@@vinyleyezz I'm a big tape nerd. I record my own mixtapes, and my car has a tape deck lol
Proud owner of an rt81. Any stylus upgrades from the standard one? Love my rt81.
@REDRUM RECORDS what phono preamp do you recommend instead of using the built in one. Also do you know if this turntable is compatible with the ortofon 2m red. Also how much does the stylus you use cost?
The AT440MLA stylus is a good upgrade for the RT81
Does the belt wear and tear and needs to be replaced after some time?
Belt's do that, but we are talking a loooooong time - Years. So don't worry.
If you want to transfer your records to a computer, simply feed the analog from the amplifier, or USB if the amplifier has it.
You really need to try the AT-VM95ML. One of the best cartridges I have ever used. Inner groove distortion is GONE. If you have an aligned VM95E, you can just swap the stylus
That's on the RT81 correct?
I was thinking the upgrade path for AT carts on this table would be phenomenal. I like the AT VM520EB
I’m always scared to get a acrylic slip mat. I feel like dust/dirt will cover it and when playing a record it will scratch. Does anyone ever have that experience.
A felt, cork, or rubber mat will also get dusty or dirty without proper care. Acrylic is great, your resonance improves and bass gets tighter. You’ll really notice it with a higher quality cartridge and speakers. Just keep your dust cover on when you’re not using your turntable and give it a quick wipe with a clean lint free cloth before setting a record on it.
@@alvaroquinones5502 I have a ortofon 2m red. Maybe I should buy a acrylic mat. I just feel like i will notice debris on my normal mat. The acrylic I feel like I won’t see it or as much. Screw it. Just another thing that needs to be cleaned. I’ll spring for one. Maybe a black one.
Nope acrylic mat is fine and won't scratch your records
I just got the RT-82 and I had red stylus and will upgrade to the platter next I really like mine I didn't go with the 81 cause I didn't need a preamp .
Do you know if it’s true that the platter on the 81 cannot be upgraded? I’m trying to decide between the 81 or 82 and don’t mind upgrading things like the cartridge, etc as time goes on.
That is why I got the 82 cause the platter can be switched to the acrylic platter the 81 can not.
Everything else can be changed like the stylist. But I have changed mine to the red cartridge and love it.
@@kennycunningham8721 awesome. Can you recommend a good preamp? I’ve read good things about Schiit but there’s so many out there. Also I plan to be using headphones, are the 2 in 1 headphone amp and preamp combo any worse compared to having a separate headphone amp and separate preamp?
@@mikexlr8 I personally can't give any thoughts on a preamp I am running mine through my kenwood component rack that I have had since 1989 and it's has a phono out on it and Also has a headphone jack but I don't use headphones.
When it comes to build in pre-amps, the point should go to the RT85 for NOT having one. Notice all turntables with build in pre-amps is found in the lower end consumer class (unless they are manufactured and sold by vultures, but that's another matter). Also notice that they all use the same chip in the pre-amp as a lot of cheaper external pre-amps, and that particular chip is a limitation on the sound quality, no matter what components it's otherwise assembled with. Pre-amps can be turned off some may argue, but though being turned off the signal still passes through the pre-amp on most turntables, which affects the sound in a negative way. Therefore a turntable without build in pre-amp, will always be the winner, and the cost of the build in pre-amp can be used on improvements on other points, or save you a few bobs you can use on a decent pre-amp, or better; A vintage amp/receiver which have build in pre-amps (no chips/IC's) that beats the crap out off even half expensive modern pre-amps, while the amplifier also sounds better than a lot of modern plastic, bluetooth, usb junk.
As a total newcomer build in pre-amps are okay as long as it is on a cheap turntable (AT 60 for instance). Never spend too much to begin with, because you will wish for better after a while, and having spend too much on a turntable with build in pre-amp can kinda stop you from taking the next step. But you'll know that as you learn more.
Build in pre-amp is for the beginner, and those who just want an easy way to listen to their vinyl. Some may feel it's good enough and stick with it, but if your ears are any good you won't stay pleased with it in the long run. That's the simple facts though some may not like it. And that's why the point should go to the RT85.
Aw, man, I was planning to get an Audio Technica with a built-in preamp!
Hello Andrie.
If you are looking at your first turntable to see if vinyl is for you, the Audio Technica LP 60 can be a good choice. It's very easy to set up and use, and you don't have to think about alignment etc. It's also a good choice simply because it's cheap, so it won't stop you from spending more if/when you wanna take the next step. It's an okay beginners turntable for it's price. I of course recommend that you listen to advice from more people than just me, because ears and opinions are different, but personally I wouldn't recommend going with the LP 120. It cost too much compared to what you get, and as you can see in many videoes here on YT, I'm far from alone on that opinion. First of all the build in pre-amp doesn't sound good, and since the signal still passes through the pre-amp when it's "turned off", many people chose to open their turntables and remove it completely. You will also find videoes showing that people have put rubber rings on the tonearm because it has a ringing resonance. The weight of the turntable is not due to quality, but to a heavy platter they put in the bottom - All the plastic around it still vibrates and pick up resonances - You can also find videoes confirming that. It's rotation precision is dissapointing for a direct drive etc etc. At first glance, one may get the impression that it offers a lot, but do your research and use your ears, and see if that impression lasts. I'm quite aware that I probably piss off a few people by being so straightforward, but as you will see, I haven't said anything that you cannot easily get confirmed. Either by taking one home you can get rid off again after testing, or just by looking at videoes.
If you on the other hand are getting back to vinyl, or are looking for a replacement/step up from the one you have, my advice is go for a turntable without build in pre-amp. If your ears are just reasonably good, you won't be satisfied with a build in pre-amp. Sadly it is an aftermarket/beginners/lower consumer class thing.
Hope this is helpful.
Stay safe.
I was thinking of getting the 81 but don’t want to sacrifice sound quality by having the preamp built in. At the same time I don’t want to spend the $ up front for an 85. Was thinking of getting the 82 and just upgrade cartridge and platter over time. My receiver is a Denon AVR-1910 so doesn’t have a phono input. I don’t have a preamp already so I’ll have to buy one. Thoughts on all this?
Hello Dirt Therapy.
Since the Denon AVR-1910 is a surround receiver there's another problem when it comes to hifi. For home cinema it's great, but the signal passes through the surround chip even on bypass, and that chip doesn't do soundquality any favors. My thoughts are that you can choose to do one of two things. Either go with the 81 because it's fine for a receiver like that, and if you like the surround option that can be the way to go. The other thing you can do, if you are going for hifi stereo, is to go with the 82 as you mention, and get a stereo receiver with build in pre-amp (can especially reccommend a 1970's model since they have awesome sounding pre-amps, and sounds great in general).
The thing is that you have to make a choice between hifi and surround, unless you go with a stereo receiver and a seperate surround decoder with the rest of the speaker channels build in. That way you can have both.
Hope this is helpful.
Stay safe Mate.
@@TheSoundrookie thank you so much for your advice. I use a sound bar as the dedicated audio for my OLED tv. I’m not and don’t plan to use the Denon receiver for surround sound at all. It’s just something I had laying around and don’t use anymore. I will probably stick to my plan of selling it, especially now after getting your feedback. Much appreciated!
It's interesting that you have just mentioned this turntable. I have been looking at one online
for 2 days now. I'm a big record collecter but right now I can only afford the 81. I have a sansui turntable I have had 9 years now and it works perfectly, so I don't know whether to just wait and hold on to it being Japanese. I have so much faith in their technology.
Do a showdown with a Crossly! (and a sledgehammer) 🤣😂😅
Nice
The motor is different on the 81 and is not off to one side but underneath the platter….
But where was “hey friends welcome back”?😢
I am interested in Rt 81
Song of the day for me:
Come & Get It - Blue Cheer
i would consider if they would ship it to europe.. i was already going to choose the 85 model anyway. I don't like built in preamps. It sacrifices the sound quality. Sometimes less is more. EDIT: i noticed they now do ship to europe but the total amount is a price i would pay for a better model like a technics so given the money i would probably choose a brand new mk7 from technics.
I was thinking of getting the 81 but don’t want to sacrifice sound quality by having the preamp built in. At the same time I don’t want to spend the $ up front for an 85. Was thinking of getting the 82 and just upgrade cartridge and platter over time. Good idea?
@@mikexlr8 if the 82 doesn't come with a built in pre amp definitely sure. You could do that as well
Song of the day - ascending forth by black midi
Next up:
Crosley Cruiser vs. Technics SL-1200
Shot down in flames - AC/DC
Hi. Long time no see. 😃
😂 I know it’s been a minute..
Why did I just get this notification today?
What is this nervous frame skipping at the end of every sentence ?
You should be able to get an acrylic mat for the 81 for about $25 on Amazon. That’s one upgrade that you can do.
And I too can testify that the Ortofon 2m Blue is worth the upgrade. If you absolutely can’t afford the higher price for it, then get the 81. But I can tell you that it’s worth saving up for the 85. Your ears will thank you!!!
I’ll just replace rubber Matt to a cork matt
song of the day: The Millenium - The Island (1968)
Easy RT85 period
Im 62 and id be fine with the RT81, I prefer rubber mats, dislike acrylics platters as I feel they are over hyped, and I dislike the appearance of exposed drive belts - Theres no need for a nice table to have the belt exposed it offers zero advantage either sonically or mechanically and makes it look like some kind of half finished shop project. Assuming a quiet motor and accurate platter speed the two things that make the most difference are the cartridge and the preamp used.
Song of the day - Centerfold by The J. Geils Band
You kind of remind me of jon heder.
I love how when you order your turn table and pre amp from this company in the same order and they ship your turn table and wait another 2 weeks to ship the pre amp with no explanation. It’s nice looking at a turntable and stack of records you can’t play. 😑😑😑
hi i just love my rt 85 would recomend to anybody spend extra cash wont be disapointed
It’s such a quality turntable! Very pleased with mine 👍
Song of the day: Should I - Frank Sinatra
Song of the day: I Lived - OneRepublic
I collect 78s
You called them equal on the motors, because they both are belt drive, But they're not even. They have different motors, which perform differently. The 85 has much better speed accuracy, and lower motor noise. The 81, had numerous speed steadiness issues when introduced, with the speed varying every few seconds. Preamp should not be a factor, since many folks already have an amp or receiver, with built in preamp. Improper cartridge alignment will have a negligible affect on stylus/record wear, but will affect the sound, especially at the inner grooves. All told, the 85 is a significantly better turntable. Comparison with AT-Lp120x, not valid, since it's direct drive. Don't get me wrong. I like and subscribe to your channel. Comparison to AT-LP120x not valid, since it's direct drive.