Do You Need a Heavy Duty Truck? We Tow a BIG Travel Trailer with the 2020 Ford F-250 to Find Out!
Vložit
- čas přidán 11. 07. 2020
- Check out our brand new PODCAST - TFL Talkin' Trucks! ( tfltruck.com/podcast )
(www.TFLoffroad.com)
( / tflcar ) Please visit to support TFLcar & TFLtruck.
Check us out on:
The Fast Lane Car ( / tflcar )
The Fast Lane Truck ( / tfltruck )
TFLnow ( / tflnow )
The Fast Lane Truck: ( / tfltruck )
The Fast Lane Car: ( / tflcar )
and classic cars as well at:
TFLClassics: ( / classicsunleashed )
Facebook: ( / tfloffroad )
Twitter: ( / tfloffroad )
#Ford #SuperDuty #HD - Auta a dopravní prostředky
From personal experience: 8 years towing 6500 lbs loaded camper with the F150 was a great experience.
Upgraded to towing same sized 8000 lbs loaded camper for two years with the same properly equipped max-tow F150 and it was borderline adequate. Most times I felt like the tail was wagging the dog and any minute, sh!t would hit the fan and we'd be plowing rhubarb in the ditch. A trailer suspension upgrade helped somewhat with sway.
Upgraded the tow vehicle to 7.3L F250 this year and like Stephen said "the truck commands the trailer". The only regret I have is that I waited this long to upgrade the truck.
I’ve never been mad at having too much truck.
87FoRunner same here. I got tired of the semi trucks pushing me all over the road and the 1/2 ton shooting up to 4000 rpms on every hill and I was only towing 7000 lbs. moved up to a Ram 2500 and now I pass the semi trucks
Indeed. Tail wagging the dog is the truth when you are maxing out a half ton.
I have a 2018 platinum f150 with max tow and tow a 11700gvw jayco 322rlok - i have over 7000 miles towing it back and forth from ny to fl - the truck typically runs at 1800 rpm it gets upto 3300 at a 9% grade passing a tractor trailer - I do use a hensley and I have the same mirrors - so far other than having more payload capacity I would stay with my truck - much better ride, fuel economy, performance, fitting in a normal car wash - i bet you where not using a hensley or propride hitch - I have never felt that feeling of the trailer controlling my truck and my trailer is 38’8” and I also have about 3 feet more of a scooter carrier with about 300lbs of generator and propane making it over 40’ in length
Hey at least the wait included getting a 7.3!
Towed a 35' travel trailer from Iowa to Washington and back with a Ram 1500. Was exhausted after every day. Traded it in on a Titan XD Cummins and ran to South Dakota last week. Way better. Less stress. I'll never go back to a half ton and people should quit lying to themselves. Max towing doesn't mean sh*t when your trailer is pushing you around in the wind.
We have a 32 ft TT about 7000lbs loaded, and have the 6.2 f250 in the XL trim. Cost me less than an f150, and it is more than I need but with the length of the trailer we went with the bigger truck. Tows great
Well done. This guy speaks in a clear and understandable manner that just makes sense.
Thank you for the kind words. Truck King is my channel if you want to see more content just like this!
Just towed basically the same trailer with my 2015 Silverado 2500 Double Cab 6.0. It was like the trailer wasn’t even behind us other than when in the mountains. 3/4 ton makes life easier and less stressful.
If the size of the truck does not intimidate you, I would personally opt for the 8 foot bed with the crew cab so that I would get the max fuel tank (48 gallons I believe). That will be especially helpful when making long distance trips with that 7.3 gasser. Everything else you mentioned is spot on!
8' is good going forward...
Backing up Really sucks..
to long
I towed with F150's for years but ever since i bought my first Super Duty i will never tow with with a half ton again.
What were you towing? F150 sufficient for most folks towing up to 7000lbs.
@@James-il3tq horse trailers, boats and quads mostly. The f150s actually tow great for a half ton. Until i got a Super Duty i didn't think anything of it but Super Dutys are so much more stable and stop so much better with a load that now i don't want to tow with my f150.
@@James-il3tq .. That 7000lbs really depends what it is and where you are towing.. take that 7000lbs on a Travel trailer bumper pull in the mountains and it won't be very fun.. 1/2 ton trucks are RATED way above reality IMO.. saying that the tow rating on modern 3/4 tons don't seem logical either !
It’s scary lol
Do have a gas or powerstorke
Some good points brought up on heavy duty vs half ton. My 2016 f150 with the 2.7 engine could move my 2018 cougar that is 7k lbs dry weight and no gear. However, load it up and I had my hands full as the trailer wanted to push the truck around the roads of the Adirondacks in upstate NY. Switched to an f350 and have no white knuckles and can relax behind the wheel. Don’t let an rv salesman tell you no problem pulling that coach with that truck.
Have towed for years with half ton, 250 and 350. It all depends on the weight of the trailer or FW + cargo etc. Currently tow a 27ft FW with F250 6.2l, great match and handles very well. Tell you paid $51k (CDN) for our 2019 F250, priced an F150 with max tow was basically the same, the F250 by far handles it better. Have towed with both. It comes down to safety, the HD will be safer to tow the weight, for suspension and braking. Safe travels!
I would love to see a video of a half ton truck with max trailering package towing a heavy travel trailer. I am sure others would too.
justen98 These guys do it once a year with the all the new truck for their golden hitch awards.
@@edwarddietsche9435 Yeah but apparently travel trailers are a different ball game compared to the trailers they use and I don't think they ever towed super heavy in a half ton truck that's rated at like 12,000 with max trailering package.
I have a 2018 platinum f150 with max tow and tow a 11700gvw jayco 322rlok - i have over 7000 miles towing it back and forth from ny to fl - the truck typically runs at 1800 rpm it gets upto 3300 at a 9% grade passing a tractor trailer - I do use a hensley and I have the same mirrors - so far other than having more payload capacity I would stay with my truck - much better ride, fuel economy, performance, fitting in a normal car wash
The real problem is with 2 reviewers and a camera man in the truck, they can’t properly or legally tow the max weight. And they aren’t dumb enough to go down the Ike with a 35’ trailer trying to kill them in a half ton.
@@jml7916 I have a gooseneck hitch on a ram 1500, 4wd, with 3.92 rear. 4 horse slant with living quarters. 3 horses and gear at 9k lbs. Going up or down mountains of pa it's fine if you select the gear on the down side. You can't do what they do and let the truck work, it may be fine or it might bite you in the ass. I put air bags inside the coil springs filled to 30psi. It levels it right up. You can't do that with a ford but they're called air springs. They have a 1k and 2.1k lb. I put the 2.1k lb ones in, they go to 50psi but I never needed it to go to 50psi, that would be rough as hell. Money was an issue, that's why I don't have a 2500 or I'd have one and put the bags in the springs in it. The bags are roughly 130 bucks. The key is don't be a jackass and think you should be able to drive balls out. Some people do and get pissed at the truck if they reck.
A half ton truck can tow 6,500lb comfortably. For every 500lbs you will be less comfortable meaning more steering corrections. Remember a travel trailer is a big box that will catch any wind.
I have a 2018 platinum f150 with max tow and tow a 11700gvw jayco 322rlok - i have over 7000 miles towing it back and forth from ny to fl mostly through the blue ridge mountains the truck typically runs at 1800 rpm it gets upto 3300 at a 9% grade passing a tractor trailer - I do use a hensley and I have the same mirrors - so far other than having more payload capacity I would stay with my truck - much better ride, fuel economy, performance, fitting in a normal car wash, parking garage, etc- i bet you where not using a hensley or propride hitch - I have never felt that feeling of the trailer controlling my truck and my trailer is 38’8” and I also have about 3 feet more of a scooter carrier with about 300lbs of generator and propane making it over 40’ in length- I also averaged about 8mpg on 93 octane, if I was on flat roads and slowed down to 60-65 I got as high as 10. Through the mountains I did 60-65 on my latest return to ny on I95 at about 75 I also got about 8mpg
gizmopilot I don’t even have to see your numbers to tell you you’re way beyond the GVWR of the truck. High trim model 1/2 tons don’t have crap for payload.
I Have A 27’ Bunkhouse (no tip outs) and a Chevy Silverado Half Ton without max tow. My trailer has a GVWR of 7600lb and although the trailer is comfortable to tow, and the truck is rated for 9100lb tow, I have to watch my gross rear axle weight and my truck GVWR. I can exceed both when loaded to go if I don’t load that trailer properly and that is with the trailer 500lbs below max. I totally agree with Jeffrey. 6500lb to 7000lb is a comfortable, realistic max with the kids and dogs along for the trip. I did upgrade my tires to 10 ply LT tires.
gizmopilot the problem on f150 is payload, not towing capacity
麥克屬屬 - I agree, but if you would prefer to drive a F150 and all of the perks that goes with it vs an F350 it is possible but to your point you don’t get the extra payload to fill the truck up while towing - So I just put everything in the trailer or on the trailer hitch in my case like a generator and propane to get my tongue weight right down to 10% and use a Hensley hitch for the great towing experience
I didn’t buy a heavy duty because towing a tractor at about 7,000lbs and a travel trailer at the same weight loaded was all I would need. I’ve towed both hours at a time and never had a problem. Have to have the trailer brake controller and a trailer with brakes after about 3,000lbs. Love the f150 and can’t justify the hefty price of the 250 for those reasons.
I tow a 24' 5000lb ew camper with our 2.7eb F-150, no issues at all and 12.5 avg mpg towing. I have a weight distribution hitch setup. Camper is plenty big for my needs
The hotter your wife, the smaller camper you need.
I was excited to watch this video. But I was a little disappointed with how little it demonstrates the differences between a 1/2 ton and 3/4 towing capabilities. This is a subject that ALOT of people are interested in. Maybe next time take a 1/2 with a travel trailer connected at max tow, then connect that same travel trailer to the 3/4 and compare ride quality, box squat, engine rpms, transmission temp and shifting
It would have been much better if you had towed the trailer with a 1/2 ton first and then showed why the 3/4 was better.
She sounds really good stock when you had it floored.
Thank you for making this video! You are dealing with a question that so many folks ask when I read questions on Airstream Forums. Many seasoned travelers suggest half tons can tow and have towed the entire Airstream inventory of trailers up to 30+ feet all around the U.S., including the large climbs/descents out West. One particular product whose owners amuse me is the Tundra. People who respond to the questions always talk about reliability and durability, which is not debatable. However, none talk about payload or Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating.
Payload is a very important OEM specification. This video does a good job of explaining the importance of towing within payload ratings. Going back to the Tundra, very few of these trucks have adequate payload for any trailers over 25’! Add an ARE topper, passengers, cargo, tongue weight, etc. and few if any Toyota products can handle these weights. I agree with the first responder - we had 1400 lb payload on our ‘09 F150, 4.6L. Our ‘19 F250, 4x2, 6.2L has a payload of 3500+ payload. I cannot imagine going back to towing with a half ton! The F250 has a bigger turning circle, which is challenging when refueling with the trailer, and in Walmart parking lots when not towing. Ride is very acceptable! However, towing MPG is a reflection of range that you can drive between fillups. ‘09 F150 had a 26 GL gas tank. Note that F250’s with 8’ bed include a 48 gl gas tank. Our ‘19 has a 34 gl gas tank. Both trucks got about 10+ MPG while towing. When not towing = F150 = 19 MPG Hwy, F250 = hi-16’s Hwy. F250 while towing can go about one hour longer between fillups with 100 miles remaining on the DTE monitor.
Since this video shows the advantages of HD’s/SD’s payloads over that of half tons, all folks towing should enjoy watching it.
This is a gas powered HD/SD video, diesels were specifically not addressed. I appreciate that, because often discussion of HD/SD’s towing provide a recommendation that those engines are the only option to towing 25’+ trailers.
For TFL - How about a 7.3L 10 speed Ford SD vs 6.2L 6 speed on IKE gauntlet?
Excellent review. Many have claimed to give an overview of the F-250 7.3 gasser with a travel trailer pull but they never give any details. You've done it and you have made my decision on whether to buy this tow vehicle. I love this truck Thank you for your input. bill in Florida
Very good video and speaker. Great job telling and showing what the 250 HD will do on a decent sized travel trailer.
Well done! I would have liked to see you tow it for a couple hundred miles and compare gas mileages of the F250 vs F150. I currently have a F150 3.5l Eco rated at 10.4k towing cap. I tow a 7200 # tt. averaging 10.3mpg's over 20k of logged towing miles. My older F250 I was lucky to get 10mpg with a tailwind. Closer to 8.5- 9 av. We have lots of hills in the PNW. The F150 does not lack power, but physics & cross winds are limitations. I feel (with 40+ years towing experience) mine is at its limit. If I were buying a new truck it would be a F250 or F350.
At 71k you must be talking Canadian?
Yes! That is CAD.
The model of trailer here is the Catalina 293RLDS. It has a dry weight of 7345 pounds according to sticker shown in the video and a dry weight of 7529 pounds according to the Coachman website. The hitch/tongue weight listed on the website is 940 pounds. Which is one reason everyone on YT who talks about towing needs to quit assuming every trailer is going to fall into that nice, tidy ten percent tongue weight category. Okay, so this one falls at 12.5 percent which is within normal tolerances but Lord knows when people load them up a lot of them don't think twice about weight distribution. Which is one reason manufacturers are usually conservative with their specifications. It wouldn't be at all surprising to find one of these loaded up to have 1500 plus on the hitch. Which might include the weight of a sleeping teenager still in the bunk as his load king father whizz's down the road at 80 MPH. Hey, he shouldn't have stayed up so late, dang it! Anywho, the F-250 allows for 2120 pounds of hitch weight with the tow package which combined with the 2800 plus pounds of payload capacity, and a trailer like this, still gives you a lot of wiggle room even if you don't have a clue or a care. The F-150, on the other hand, equipped with the max tow package on an equivalent truck (crew-cab 4x4) only allows 1250 pounds on the hitch so it would be pretty easy to exceed hitch weight limits without careful loading of the trailer. Even carefully loaded to fall just under tongue weight specs one could quickly exceed the standard payload capacity of the half ton. But, dude, I could just option the max payload package as well, problem solved! Yep, that would work. And with this particular trailer maxed out you'd still be under GCVWR. However, when equipped the way one would need their F-150 to be equipped to comfortably tow and haul all the comforts of home and family around properly an XLT CC 4x4 without anything other than tow and payload packages stickers just shy of 50K. An F-250 XLT CC 4x4 stickers at a hair more than 50K. There aren't exact equipment package matches so I chose the nearest to each other I could. There was literally less than 500 dollars between them though. So, for my 50k (yes, I know, discounts and incentives, gotcha') I'm taking the F-250 with the 7.3L instead of the F-150 and the beefier everything that comes with it. Now, will a half ton pull this trailer? Of course. And in the real world where these things, things meaning travel trailers, get taken out two or three times a year, if that, a half ton is all you need. But if you're traveling often and taking a lot of stuff with you then buy the HD and thank me later.
A 3/4 ton may seem overkill. But, at what price do you put your piece of mind at? I think peace of mind, and having more truck than is "needed" for the trailer is much better. Plus, if you want to get a bigger trailer down the road, you have more wiggle room with the F-250 or heavy duty from RAM or GM equivalent.
Exactly, I wanted the titan xd. But after long 5th wheel pin weights, we went to buy the 2500 hd, not as comfortable, and seats are much more firmer. But I know I can easily tow at max or more without worrying as much.
Current tow vehicle is the 2020 F-250 7.3 gasser, 10spd, 3.55. TT is 30' and, at last last scale visit, rolls out at 8200# with 910# TW (I do use a WD hitch more ensure least impact on steering geometry). Very comfortable combo for long drives, particularly with elevation.
Great video! I find travel trailer tongue weights are usually under estimated too a bit more than over... there are a lot of factors... are the propane tanks and battery accounted for, do you use a weight distribution hitch (could add between 70 - 100lbs on the back of the truck)... how you have any supplies packed into the travel trailer... the configuration of the travel trailer....
For me, I just upgraded my truck as we're getting a bigger travel trailer. I am getting something that many would consider "half ton towable"... however, I want to be able to have 5 people in the truck, a dog.. our supplies...etc. So all factors taken into consideration, I went with 2500 HD truck. I have 3300lbs of payload and 18500 tow capacity... exhaust break (diesel)...etc.
You said it perfectly, you can buy a truck that is at it's limit, which makes it too small if not in optimal driving conditions (wind, hills..etc)... but you can never buy one that's too big.
So for me, I'll have a really great comfortable experience towing this with my family/friends in wind or steep inclines. I decided not to put my family through a "white knuckle" experience.
Great video!
Pretty happy to see an Ontario Canada plate and dealer here, I am on their website now. Nice. I need a good deal on a B class van people!!! I am east of Toronto.
F250 is an easy choice for someone regularly towing 8K or larger camper trailer IMO. 7.3L and 10 speed made for a more affordable nicely powered HD truck.
Nice video Stephen!
I have 2019 F150 3.5L Ecoboost with max tow package and I tow a 34ft 8500lb TT through the mountains of Colorado. I use an Equalizer WD hitch with antisway and airbags in the rear. I will say that I would not feel comfortable towing without this exact setup. The 3.5L tows up mountains at high elevations like a beast. However, the handling and control are limited in the F150. The Equalizer WDH is fantastic when towing in heavy winds and the airbags really help control the rear end and eliminate squat. I certainly am not the fastest out there but I can maintain a safe speed. Overall I feel safe, but I definitely wouldn't go higher in weight or length of TT.
I have a 2018 platinum f150 with max tow and tow a 11700gvw jayco 322rlok - i have over 7000 miles towing it back and forth from ny to fl mostly through the blue ridge mountains the truck typically runs at 1800 rpm it gets upto 3300 at a 9% grade passing a tractor trailer - I do use a hensley and I have the same mirrors - so far other than having more payload capacity I would stay with my truck - much better ride, fuel economy, performance, fitting in a normal car wash, parking garage, etc- i bet you where not using a hensley or propride hitch - I have never felt that feeling of the trailer controlling my truck and my trailer is 38’8” and I also have about 3 feet more of a scooter carrier with about 300lbs of generator and propane making it over 40’ in length- I also averaged about 8mpg on 93 octane, if I was on flat roads and slowed down to 60-65 I got as high as 10. Through the mountains I did 60-65 on my latest return to ny on I95 at about 75 I also got about 8mpg
I would highly suggest a hensley or propride hitch - it provides much more stability
I’ve owned trailers for years and when you go to RV shows and the like people are liking the longer trailers this does pose a problem because most people own a 1/2 ton and frankly these 28,30,32 foot trailers are too much for a 1/2 ton and unfortunately why I just an accident involving an RV. The other problem is speed people still want to drive 75 towing a trailer so having that 3/4 ton under kill or not you need one.
I tow a 25’ TT with a ‘12 F-150 5.0 with a dry weight of 5200 lbs, truck is rated at 7800 lbs. Loaded up this is about the most trailer I want to tow with an F-150, next truck will be an F-250. Wish in this video they towed the same trailer with an F-150. The F-150 is a great truck, I work it hard with lots of hauling and it does well. This truck is rated at 1870 payload.
I'd like to see more of these videos towing a camper, especially with a half ton. I think you need to advise people that tongue weight can be 10-15% of trailer weight as many trailers storage area is mostly up front. I think many 1/2 ton owners don't understand this and go by #'s of trailers from manufacturers which seem to be fairly understated across the industry!
A half ton can easily tow that trailer if optioned correctly. Here's what you do. Get a Ford F-150 in XL or XLT trim with the max trailer package AND more importantly, the HEAVY DUTY PAYLOAD PACKAGE. You can only get that combination with the 6.5 ft bed if you want a crew cab. If you want to tow a small 5th wheel, then you're better off with the Super Cab and the 8 ft bed. I've seen trucks in those configurations with payload numbers anywhere between 2500 and 2700 lbs. If you're only going to be towing an RV a few times a year, there is no need to get a HD truck; especially if you're going to use it as your daily driver. Personally, I'd opt for the Coyote over the 3.5 ecoboost.
Sure. But the price you’re going to pay for them extras why not just buy a real truck to begin with? You’ll have better luck seeing a unicorn in the wild then a used HDPP F150.
This video gave me a peace of mind. I have a 2017 f250 short bed with a 6.7 just about to pick up a 35 ft bumper pull camper with a dry weight of 7,800 lbs max weight is 13,000
F 250 looks sweet man
There's another video out there with a guy using a new Ram 1500 without the air ride to tow a very similar trailer. They drove it around between 30 and 40mph and decided it was too dangerous without a weight distributing hitch
Super Duty for sure.
I've towed our 9000 trailer with an F 250 6.2 and it did great. Will not buy a 150.
Thank you for this video. You have not said anything I've haven't heard from many here in YT land. Sorry, not everybody can afford an F-250, RAM/GMC 2500. I would love to have one, but even finding a F-250, RAM/GMC 2500 within an affordable price, you're stilling looking at a vehicle at least 5-7yrs old with 150k-250k miles & still in the 50k+/- range. I would like to see more 1/2 ton towing videos with the equipment needed for towing. My max towing on my 2018 RAM 1500 is 8400lbs. There are plenty of new/used 28' - 30' TT with GVWR at around 7600-8000, which gives me enough cushion. I would love to see that combo. Sorry, that's how I feel. Stay Safe & God Bless!!!
Well done video
Nobody wants even a hint of an issue. Quite right Stephen. Go Big every time.
Loved the video
Good video most are on the fence about stepping up from a half ton truck to a heavy duty
My dad uses a 07 chevy 1500 with a 5.3l with 330000 miles and a broken motor mount to top it to pull our camper.
That is just about the weight I am looking to tow, and the dealer was pushing me to get a 350 diesel SRW. Seemed like overkill to me, and rather coincidentally matched the dozens of 350s on the lot...
Damn that's one nice ass f-2fitty!!!!
Well done young man.
I really like the 7.3 gas, definitely my top choice for an HD gasser, especially since it is available with the 10-speed. The payload capacity of only about 2,800 pounds is a little disappointing though.
All of the ¾ ton trucks have payload numbers around that with the gas engines. That's why I would opt for the 1 ton SRW, not huge bumps in payload but enough to make a difference.
HalfShell - or just get an XLT Tremor, you’ll get the same #3100 payload back and a nice looking, occasional off-roading pickup truck to boot! Got mine for $52k out the door with the 7.3L and I found that to be fair. Especially when I see SO many F150’s going for $60k+
F250 XLT extended cab 6.75 box FX4 Blue Jeans for me.
No weight distribution hitch or sway control?
One other point: many times an RVer is traveling a good number of miles a day to get where they are heading. Doing that in a truck that barely meets the trailer capacity can lead to a long day of white-knuckle driving. That does not seem like a vacation to me...
A more realistic test would have been with a loaded travel trailer. I assume that when you were towing was empty. There is a huge difference between empty versus loaded at times. I own a similar trailer yet slightly shorter in length. The empty tongue weight of my trailer is around 600 lb, but with a fully loaded trailer my tongue weight scale typically measures 1200 to 1300 lbs. This would only put more emphasis on the advantage of the heavy duty truck as it will manage the extra payload much better and be much more stable while towing.
How do you "set up the trailer" to work with your back up assist mode? Is it a program in the truck? Or do you have to enter specs for specific codes per trailer?
Along with the sticker there is a training process the truck will put you through and it will remember that specific trailer / fya it doesn’t work with fifth wheels or the hensley or propride hitches
If you tow frequently and depending on how heavy... get the super duty
I tow a 10k toy hauler travel trailer with a 2019 f250 lariat and a 6.2 gas motor. Tows great. Not winning races but also not dangerously slow. Gas motors run forever if maintained well. I will mention with the trailer loaded up and stuff in the bed for a camping trip you will need weight distribution.
You keep telling yourself that gas engines run forever ...
@@sking2173 yes, in my experience thats been the case.
its funny how half tons have these max ratings in the low teens, yet they always are reviewed at around 7000-9000. I would love to see a 12,000lb trailer behind one of these max tow half tons since people buying these trucks will do that
I have a 32’ travel trailer weighing 7500lbs and tongue weight of 833lbs and 1820lb payload. With weight distribution hitch my ram 1500 with 3.92 rear and offroad package with adds small lift snd suspension it hauled no problem. Trucks is specked out to tow 11320 so 8k loaded truck is in total control. Would I like to use a heavy duty hell yes but towing is 2% of my life. When not towing it’s used for work snd family and gas mileage is huge for that
Would have been nice to see what your MPG was while towing that travel trailer??
8-9 and 14 avg empty in a quick bit of research I did. Interesting that he never mentioned mpgs at all because they suck. But I do agree with his assessment that overkill when towing is always better than not enough truck
I say you get up close to 30 ft or more then go with the 3/4 ton or one ton. Those trailers can move the truck around too easily if it’s a half ton
Nice old bus at 8:57.
Nice tow vehicle never to big of a tow vehicle 👍
The 2121 Hybrid F250 is what I'm waiting for!
You're going to be waiting in a casket.
Fuel mileage and reliability are inversely proportional. (Assuming like for like vehicles) sure hybrids give better mileage, but the pushrod will still be chugging along after 10 years without ridiculous battery costs.
Take that tt through Wyoming on a windy afternoon and you will wish you had a train locomotive. Even with a 3/4 ton it’s going to be a rough ride without an oversized equalizer hitch. I don’t have any half ton experience but I would worry about the tail wagging the dog, especially coming down high Colorado mountain passes. An f150 weighs a lot less than my 7500 lb. 2500. And you don’t need to spend $71k on a truck. You can get a decent 3/4 for half that used.
How come you have no sway control and load leveling mechanism?. I have one for our Hybrid.
He doesn't own the trailer.
Real trucks don’t need them
Hey Steven great video and explanation of weights and when you may wanna move up in truck. Could you go over alleged half ton towable 5th wheels sometime?
ah, the great RV sales myth. Half-ton towable fifth wheels are great for snipe hunting!
A half ton can tow a lot now a days, but if you're in the West, a half ton is not going to make you feel nearly as confident on the passes lacking the brakes and suspension of 3/4 or 1 tons not to mention the diesel's engine braking. If you wanna do this full time, do not buy a half ton
I have a 2018 platinum f150 with max tow and tow a 11700gvw jayco 322rlok - i have over 7000 miles towing it back and forth from ny to fl mostly through the blue ridge mountains the truck typically runs at 1800 rpm it gets upto 3300 at a 9% grade passing a tractor trailer - I do use a hensley and I have the same mirrors - so far other than having more payload capacity I would stay with my truck - much better ride, fuel economy, performance, fitting in a normal car wash, parking garage, etc- i bet you where not using a hensley or propride hitch - I have never felt that feeling of the trailer controlling my truck and my trailer is 38’8” and I also have about 3 feet more of a scooter carrier with about 300lbs of generator and propane making it over 40’ in length- I also averaged about 8mpg on 93 octane, if I was on flat roads and slowed down to 60-65 I got as high as 10. Through the mountains I did 60-65 on my latest return to ny on I95 at about 75 I also got about 8mpg
I would add that the engine breaking of the f150 with the eco boost is amazing- also keep in mind that tractor trailers the truck only weighs 20k vs a 60k trailer you have a much better ratio with a f150 tires brakes etc
@@gizmopilot nice truck, I'm just saying in my experience think on how beefy an F150 is nowadays and then look at the specs on the F250 and 350, they are nearly commercial medium grade trucks and as someone towing 5500lbs full time, I'll take my one ton dually as overkill. I also then can keep this truck should I decide to go bigger or get a fifth wheel, etc
Wait what pushrod technology is solid. 😃
Do they use metric ball sizes in Canada?
Makes it sound a lot bigger!
What kind of mileage did you get while towing the trailer?
I have a 2018 platinum f150 with max tow and tow a 11700gvw jayco 322rlok - i have over 7000 miles towing it back and forth from ny to fl - the truck typically runs at 1800 rpm it gets upto 3300 at a 9% grade passing a tractor trailer - I do use a hensley and I have the same mirrors - so far other than having more payload capacity I would stay with my truck - much better ride, fuel economy, performance, fitting in a normal car wash - in the mountains I got about 8mpg, I came back this spring on The I95 doing 75 and also got about 8mpg, in the flat areas doing 60-65 I got as much as 10.5 I also run 93
This is what I want to see on the Ike.
That looks like a nice heavy duty truck. Would that sticker around $52k USD?
Like 55-56
where is the wdh ??
Having a video that asks the question if you need a heavy duty truck and then proceeds to tow with a heavy duty truck is pointless.
I never tow and I'm just curious how can you determine the tongue weight? Is it always provided with the trailer?
Some people say 10% of the trailer weight
Best practice is to go through cat scales and truly determine all your weights. However most folks usually budget 10%, 15% if you have a front kitchen or living area.
10% is bare minimum, especially with no sway control and getting close to max towing capacity. I would err on the side of caution and get that number closer to 13 or 15%
Generally bumper pull trailers average 10% to 15% tongue weight and fifth wheels 15% to 20% pin weight.
ALWAYS go bigger ... will tow better and less chance of overloading.
$71,000 lol, I wish people would boycott these things.
Canadian $, but I agree that new truck prices are getting ridiculous. But you can get lower trim levels that are still well-equipped (power windows, locks, mirrors, cruise control, AC, power seat, etc.) for much less. The difference is that the higher trim levels seem to be what people are buying and as long as we have credit rich people plopping down more and more money on vehicles we'll see the price continue to go up.
They need to put that motor in the mustang
Get rid of that throw away trailer and tow somthing worthwhile like the ATC Toy Hauler 28ft front bedroom Model!
3/4 ton will be more stable than a 1/2 ton. But for daily commuting, 1/2 is much more forgiving.
Nice truck but not worth 71 thousand dollars. In hard times like this the dealerships are crazy 😜
I think Andre pulls off the flat brim a little better.
Finally! Exactly the review I was looking for! My 7700 lb trailer (32 ft. Long) is just at the top of of my 150’s capability. (It’s those lousy Lariat tires with the 5.0.).
Well, I’ve been towing my 7000 pound travel trailer with my half ton with no issues so far, remember the Heavy duty truck body weights almost double the half ton’s at around 10000 pounds already, so unless you have a 14000 pounds or more fifth wheel trailer, you’re overkilling by towing a 7000 pound trailer with HD truck plus you’re dragging that 10k pound truck body around. Watch another TFL comparison with mr truck when they tow same trailer using half ton and 3/4 ton F series trucks.
I have a question...Im new to towing..I was towing 6000 lbs food trailer with a 97 F250 on the highway for about 10 miles when the transmission gave out? Its a $2600 to fix.
should I be towing in "OD off" mode next time? Or is it possible that the transmission of this truck (that I just bought a week ago with 99k miles on it already had problems with it. And towing in OD with the new transmission is fine?
No need for a WDH with a 250?
Hard to take anything this guy says as informed.... they didn't even put any kind of load leveling hitch system on the setup he drove. The hitch type makes more difference than the truck when talking about stability. I have towed campers with everything from a jeep Cherokee to a diesel f250 over the last 20 years and yes he is right about bigger being better but they probably need to do more research about towing campers before they act like experts.
We would like a travel trailer and even a fifth wheel but we think a fifth wheel is out for expense and the size of the truck I would need. I would love to have a F150 for a daily driver however even though they advertise about 10,000 pounds of towing I would be extremely worried about the payload capacity. I live in northern Michigan with lots of snow so four-wheel-drive is a must and with a Family a crew cab is a must which both significantly decrease the payload capacity to a round 1700 pound. With me and my girlfriend both quite overweight and having three teenagers all five of us in the vehicle would be around 1000 pounds. then I’m just guessing having things in the bed of the truck like a cooler with ice and beverages, some luggage etc. I would assume would be at least 500 pounds. If I’m calculating correctly that would only leave about two hundred pounds for the tongue weight of the trailer which would mean maximum 2000 pound trailer loaded if it has a typical 10% tongue weight. So I am thinking if I want a decent size travel trailer at 6000 pounds are so dry weight and 7500 pound growth weight That would be 750 pounds of tongue weight. Not even close to enough for a half ton truck even though they say they can tow 10,000 pounds. And I’m thinking since a fifth wheel put 20% of the weight on the truck and are typically heavier to begin with a three-quarter ton truck with our family would not be big enough for a fifth wheel. So I am thinking to have a decent size travel trailer I need a three-quarter ton and if I wanted a fifth wheel I would need a one ton. Does this sound accurate or am I missing something? Again I would prefer the gas mileage and drive ability of a half ton as my daily driver but I would like a trailer that can sleep at least six people and has at least the real master bedroom and with my calculations I don’t think a half ton truck would be possible to tow that.
Hey TFL - WTF, WHERE IS THE TAHOE, YUKON AND ESCALADE REVIEWS, EVERYONE ELSE HAS THEM!!!!
TFL Likes Fords
Where's the Gen-Y?
visiting the K-Y
Let the haters/experts get off their asses and do a better job themselves. Let me know the name of your channel. Keep it rolling Stephen.
How do you think the new ranger would handle that camper on pulling? It looked to be 24' or less on length. Just curious as it is around the same length as an old F150.
I drive a 379 Peterbilt so a Super-Duty doesn't bother me
Think this video will seal the deal with my wife. F250 here I come!! Bye bye F150
The video lacks so much detail. No official specs on the trailer. You've told us nothing. Also you really should be useing weight distribution on a trailer that size.
You're right. But it's a demo unit. So they're not going to want any holes in the frame.
He did mention the approximate weight of the trailer and what it puts on the truck. What else did you want to know about it?
@@kingstonsean weight distribution hitches can clamp on.
@@SurelyYewJest approximate tells you very little especially when hes likely wrong about the weight of the trailer. Most tandem axle trailers that size max out ar 7500lbs, not 8500. He didn't give us the length of the trailer, the GVW or the trailer, he didn't measure truck squat. It's a rather pointless video.
@@terrencejones9817 ah. Ok. Mine was drilled.
If you EVEN think you might be towing like this, spend the scratch and get the diesel. Taching 4000 rpm at 5 mpg is miserable.
I think I’ll just stay in hotels ...
$71,000 as configured?!
Definitely have to remember that people are payload buying your pickup.
good content in the video but I have to say: an XLT optioned up to $71,000??? no.
That's in Canadian dollars. In the states its about 52,000 USD. Still a chunk of money though.
i have a 2020 F350 XLT 7.3 with just about every option including Tremor. It stickered for 63k
@@tylerfineman8967 ok 52k is still a lot but I've gone on the configurator and was wondering how in the world you'd get an xlt above 70k usd
And you don’t even mention how long the trailer is..?
Tow a travel trailer like 10k with a halfton......or go grab a sidexside and load it into a toy hauler.....I asked myself a small utv good trailer and crazy expensive truck topping 100k but nope my 3.21 ram even lifted tows my toy hauler and wildcatxx
I have a 2018 platinum f150 with max tow and tow a 11700gvw jayco 322rlok - i have over 7000 miles towing it back and forth from ny to fl mostly through the blue ridge mountains the truck typically runs at 1800 rpm it gets upto 3300 at a 9% grade passing a tractor trailer - I do use a hensley and I have the same mirrors - so far other than having more payload capacity I would stay with my truck - much better ride, fuel economy, performance, fitting in a normal car wash, parking garage, etc- i bet you where not using a hensley or propride hitch - I have never felt that feeling of the trailer controlling my truck and my trailer is 38’8” and I also have about 3 feet more of a scooter carrier with about 300lbs of generator and propane making it over 40’ in length- I also averaged about 8mpg on 93 octane, if I was on flat roads and slowed down to 60-65 I got as high as 10. Through the mountains I did 60-65 on my latest return to ny on I95 at about 75 I also got about 8mpg
@@gizmopilot no I use a ez ride hitch just cheap o off prime and I've towed a few times with nothing but a weigh safe hitch.
J Shapiro - I was just saying if you were having towing issues a better hitch can help vs a bigger truck - I apologize if I misunderstood what you said
No one brings up stopping