8 - Mary in the Early Church - Mariology for Everyone
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- In this session of Dr. Mark Miravalle's complete Marialogical course he debunks the idea that devotion to Mary is a mere invention of the medieval Church by outlining the beginnings of the Marian devotion in the first few centuries of Christianity as follows:
- Images of Mary in the Catacombs by the earliest Christians
- Intercessory prayers to other saints
- Theology of early fathers of the Church 2nd Cent.,
- - Mary as New Eve
- - - Mary as secondary cause of salvation behind Jesus
- - - Purity of Mary, Immaculate
- - - St. Jerome "Death from Eve, life from Mary"
- - - Mother of in order of Grace
- Prayer to Mary
- - during early persecutions
- - Sub Tuum early prayer to Mary
- - Distinction between prayer to Mary and adoration of her
- 431 AD Ephesus - Mary declared Mother of God
- Churches named after Mary
This series is a complete 40 part introductory course on Mary presented by Dr. Miravalle, a theology professor specializing in Mariology, who has been teaching at the Franciscan University of Steubenville for over 25 years. General topics are as follows:
- Mary as revealed in the Sacred Scriptures, taught and explained by the Church Fathers, the Saints, and the Church's documents
- the proper ways to show childlike love and devotion to the Blessed Mother of Jesus;
- Church's official teaching on Marian apparitions over the centuries.
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CAn someone please give me a reference, citation, source for where I can find information of paintings of the blessed Virgin Mary in the naves above altars of early churches?
It seems that if Irenaus believed Mary was in some way a cause of salvation for herself, that he in fact believed Mary was in need of salvation, and therefore that she was not without sin. That is the plain inference of his statement; we need not wonder at what he meant. It is only in light of further developed doctrine down the line that we must question his meaning.
Thanks for the comment G P. Your objection is the original objection that prevented the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception from being proclaimed much earlier and one that the Protestants still bring up today. Mary herself said, “my spirit rejoices in God my Savior” (Luke 1:47). Doesn't this mean that she had sin that she needed to be saved from, just like the rest of us? The resolution that cleared the way for the proclamation was formulated by Bl. John Duns Scotus around 1300 AD. Mary's salvation was preventative, not reparative. That is, before Mary incurred the stain of original sin, God the Son prevented that from happening in virtue of His future redemptive act on the Cross. She was saved because she was prevented from falling into original sin before it even occurred. Jesus did this because it was fitting (she was to be His mother), he could do it (He was God), so he did it. As such she has even more reason to rejoice because she was saved in such a marvelous way.
See www.catholic.com/tract/immaculate-conception-and-assumption for more information.
God bless - Friar Roderic
One thing has always puzzled me. Throughout all of Paul's epistles as well as the epistle of James and Jude why isn't there any instruction by the apostles given about devotion or veneration of Mary?? You would think they would have mentioned it at least once.
Exactly
During that period the apostles and Mary were still alive on earth. I doubt they would instruct the church to venerate themselves.
I enjoyed your presentation sir but that is my biggest hangup on becoming Catholic is Mary. So when the Emperor Constantine made Christianity the official religion of Rome, no pagan worship practices were brought into the Christian church so that the pagan Romans would be more accepting of Christianity?
Simple question and I hope to get a simple answer. Is Mary essential for salvation??
Essential, yes, because all grace from Christ goes to us through her. But we may not be aware of it and still be saved. - Friar Roderic
I don't get it.
Why would Mary be considered immaculately conceived (sinless) if St. Irenaeus wrote that she was the cause of salvation for even herself. Wouldn't this mean that she herself was in need of salvation? Also, why would she be considered pure, just as Eve was pure before the fall, if the whole point is to reverse the fall by resurrecting in Christ our Lord? Meaning, If Eve was pure and then became fallen, then wouldn't it follow that Mary was fallen and then became pure? Just as our Lord became a curse for us upon the cross, and then resurrected unto Life... Don't we all have to die with Christ, even Mary, so as to gain Life Eternal?
I'm not trying to be hostile; I simply don't understand the reasoning behind the immaculate conception.
Nina thanks for the comment. Yes, it should be understandable in the sense of how it fits with the rest of Revelation. Regarding the need for her salvation this is agreed. But her salvation was that she was saved from incurring original sin. For this she has even more reason to be grateful to God since she did not fall into the pit of original sin but was saved from that. So Jesus is her savior as well, but he did this before the crucifixion yet in view of the future merits of the crucifixion. All these objections were very energetically brought up during the Middle Ages when the theological basis for the document was first laid down. But the doctrine was not declared until 1854. So yes these objections are very well acknowledged and rebutted so you are actually coming up with good questions that get to the Crux of the matter and point out the importance of the doctrine, in that, Mary, who is born pure, works with her Son who is also born pure to bring about the Redemption as the new Eve with the new Adam.
Your answer is helpful. Thank you for your time. I'll continue researching.
You are most welcome, God Bless you.
Where are the Ante-Nicene writings where the Earliest Christians prayer to Mary? Show me ??
You can look up yourself what the earliest Church Fathers said about saintly intercession. Mary is a saint, so she counts.
@@tomthetominatorftw4106 read Mary's letter to Ignatius. Read what Ignatius wrote of Mary. Study the Bible and the Pre Nicene fathers' writings and you'll see nothing about veneration of saints or praying to them. Mary herself came under the authority of the Apostles.
Papyrus P470, around 250 AD.
@@tomthetominatorftw4106 ' All believers and followers of Jesus are Saints!!
@@DeLuini985 : Have a link?
What year was there proof that the early christians were praying to Mary?
250 AD, Papyrus P470
@@DeLuini985 can we do a course or a study on marylogy through correspondence study .
You mention C S Lewis in your talk. This was perhaps not a good example as he was against Mariology.