Could Sunak Actually be Ousted Before the Election?
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With claims coming in that letters of no confidence have been submitted, in this video, we’re going to look at whether Sunak could actually be ousted before the election.
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No, he will be the scape goat for the immense loses, so the next leader will be free of that blame.
THIS
Yeah, any to-be-leader would be foolish to step in and lose the election.
I feel that if the party would always choose the most strategic-logical option, they wouldnt be in the position they are now. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that i wouldnt bet money on their sanity
Don't think there is anyway the party could oust sunak without a parliamentary vote of no confidence, which would be a little stupid because of the election.
If he was clever he would quit to avoid the blame. 😂
The Tories ousting Sunak to delay the election until October would be like putting out a pan fire with petrol. You'll take the house down with it, it would be suicide for the Tories
Agreed Jungle Jumpers supporter. Raspberry racers are better though
@personperson.7744 To be fair the only team we are better than is the Solar Flares 😭
It's time for the Tories to go and be replaced by a genuinely right wing alternative that cares about the native white British population
I'm curious as to why Sunak didn't wait until Autum. Before the Brexit (courtesy of David Cameron and Boris Johnson) and Truss (courtesy of herself), the Tories were known for being inflation hawks and good economic stewards. The economy is expected to be better this year, but it won't be until autumn that the data can be collected. If he waited that long, he could then try to sell "hey we're competent again." It's probably not going to work, but it seems better than the alternative.
Nope people are fed up with Sunak being a silent labour politcian
So yes they get more votes without him
There was a comment made on this very channel that I saw a long time ago that read something like this:
"With Sunak, their prospects are terrible, Without him, they'd be far worse."
Unless the choice is from another party.
Come on Nigel .
Yep prepare for prime minister Stammer
If anything most Tories are in content that the blame of their failure is on sunak.
@@gaarakabuto1 which doesn’t really make sense if you think about it. Sunak didn’t do anything of significance whatever failures might have happened should fall on his predecessors. Being a politician is terrible
Having a Tory leadership race alongside the general election. Madness, do they want Labour to have 600 seats? Because all they will say to voters is that you don't even know who their leader is?
And by consequence they have no plan for the country.
@@paulhodgersI don't like labour but they'll (hopefully) do better than the Tories
Indeed. That this story even has credibility shows how low Conservative party culture has sunk. For the sake of public image, it used to be Tories would publicly deny any anger with their leader till the daggers plunged in. Now, a fraction of the party are making stabbing motions for all to see and the electorate think the party are nuts.
@@paulhodgers, and he's sticking to the, er, plan?
Most of British media will try to cover them: GB News, TalkTv, Mail, Sun, Times, Telegraph, Laura Kunnssberg, Fiona Bruce, I'm sure I've missed about 20 others... what a joke of a country.
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It has been believed by MANY that one of the biggest reasons why he called for a general election this early was because of a possible no-confidence vote against him.
If the Tories lose to mere 100 seats, our dear PM can simply say that “there are always detractors on my back.”
No confidence by his own party? Who did they think could replace him then?
It could also be that he knows something bad is coming later this year and wants to get out of office before it happens.
@@TheBooban Suella Braverman? She's been going for the Trumpite tactics of division, dog-whsitling to the bigots, and mindless populism.
Either way he comes out the other side as "not prime Minister"
@@Mitjitsu Why would only he know that?
Given he called the election so he wouldn't be thrown out of the job by the party, it would be funny as hell if he still was.
Better if he lost his seat!
Close. Calling the election probably reduces the chances he'll be ousted as leader of the party in the coming weeks, but that doesn't reduce the chances to unlikely. He's just reduced the chance from likely to closer to a coin flip. He's not picked the best option, just the least worst from his personal perspective. That in itself is possibly of short term advantage however, as how history remembers him would be worse if he was at the helm at the time the Tories suffered utter collapse at the ballot box. It could well be that he has accepted what will now irreversibly happen and just wants to get it over with, rather than adding months of being an exponentially inflating laughing stock fighting a long lost cause.
@@frankwilson3265 I don't think there's much of a chance he'll be removed. There's multiple ways to avoid it. And removing him as party leader doesn't accomplish anything. Sunak can just stay PM till thursday, the election still happens, and then the tories need to try to pick a lead and campaign for an election in a month. It's insane and can only make everything worse. There are some tories that stupid, but most will realize it's pointless.
The first half of your sentence is pure nonsense. The second is a certainty, but only after the election.
The Tory rebel MPs are experts at claiming/threatening to set up impossible goals and also experts at folding when their bluff is called.
As an American with a purely intellectual interest in UK politics, all I’ll say is “legendary thumbnail”
Yes I can imagine Americans with intellects who are into politics would look abroad for their observations, all things considered…
@@Gleifel😂
If the Tories put in ANOTHER PM, the King would be well within his rights to suspend the Magna Carta and lock them all in the Tower.
I hope you realise that Magna Carta is no longer part of UK law?
@@user-sd3ik9rt6d I think it is a joke
@@user-sd3ik9rt6d 4 clauses of the Magna Carta are still in effect, the most famous of which is Clause 39: No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgement of his equals or by the law of the land.
@@goinggoinggone535 unless you are a member of republic on coronation day.
Fortunately, Charles isn't dumb enough to think the police and army would back him. If the PM was replace, somehow, who requested the election be cancelled. Charles would hide behind the convention of accepting the advice of the Prime Minister and the political shitstorm would fly around the Commons, nowhere near him.
Ousting him before the election & showing even more infighting is a great strategy to give Labour and even LibDems more votes & seats and that is why they should totally do it imo 😂😂
Being mad at their boss for their job security was probably the most non-Tory-MP experience they will ever have in their lives, yet here we are, Tory MPs being mad at their boss for their job security🤣
What job security? They're all going to lose their jobs one way or another. They can delay the GE for at most 6 months. I'm assuming that's what they want. The extra 6 months of pay.
Minister for common sense is insane, how is that even a minister position. Only in a tory government do you need a ministry for common sense lmao
And they ironically elected a complete nutcase to the position.
It's telling that Labour did not feel the need to generate the corresponding Shadow position. So presumably the job will just disappear after the election. Especially considering it's extremely unclear what the job actually is.
There is NO Minister for Common Sense. It's what others have reportedly described her role without portfolio was.
Down with Rainbow lanyards 😂
It's a clown ministerial position created by a clown PM. Her only job is to occasionally toss coal into the culture war fire pit to try and keep their base fuming, because that's basically all the Tories have now.
We had an MCS Interceptor X5 turn up at our council offices this week 😮
Now parliament is prorogued, there is no mechanism to hold a vote of confidence in him as prime minister.
Exactly - so this video is entirely hypothetical?
@@neilrmartin1984 I’d say redundant. The rebels needed to get it done by the time parliament closed. They couldn’t, it’s over. The only way it could happen now is if he resigned of his own free will.
Parliament doesn't actually stop working until Thursday (the 30th). So technically it could happen it just won't.
@@dealbreakerc its not sitting next week and dissolved by thurs night
They're MPs until dissolution, which is on 30 May. Currently Parliament is only prorogued.
I can't get over Minister of Common Sense being an actual job title. What a joke
I know right it's so Orwellian
Technically, it's not. McVey is "minister without portfolio" because there is no Dept for Common Sense. It's a meaningless role to keep the right wing cancel culture mob happy.
It isn't her official job title, but a nickname
And her being against the election is funny
So the tory's plan/desire is to install YET ANOTHER unelected fop, purely to hold on to any semblage of power?
Only the right wing ideologues of the party, the ones angry Sunak isn't pushing the low tax and deregulation they want.
@@warmachineukyou realise Sunak is the unelected one
@@napoleonfeanor Yes, but that's not pertinent to the OP's question. It's about yet another one, not about Sunak being unelected (directly or indirectly by the electorate).
@@warmachineuk it is because another was capitalised and you infer that it had to do with tax policy and implicitly justify going against an elected leader by moaning about her tax cutting plans.
@@napoleonfeanor Which is correct. Backed by the BofE the City and the media. They can't have ideas to help the electorate and take away from the money men can they.
The penny has finally dropped for me at 2:25 - Esther McVey - "The Minister For Common Sense".
Rishi Sunak really does have a very dark and extremely cruel sense of humour.
The opposition parties might have been caught out, but I think they have been preparing for a snap election for at least 6 months.
In any case, I suspect that the voting public has, in the main, already decided not to vote for the Tories, irrespective of what any of the parties have in their manifesto.
I love how the ‘Minister for Common Sense’ is doing the least common sense this in trying to oust Sunka…. Get these people out of government asap
It's an anti-woke thing. Y'know woke, that word they can't stop using
Anglo countries seem to have a lot of weird ministries. The ministry of silly walks wasn't far off.
@@cassanateliso you are woke? Anti-wokeness is common sense indeed but Tories just want power and say whatever helps them. In policy, they support maaany woke things
Wait is there really a minister for common sense? I thought that was a joke
@@napoleonfeanorbelieving wokeness is a real thing or a threat is being stupid. Woke is just used by the right wing to lable anything they disagree with as "bad"
As an American, I find it very ironic that they’re doing an election on the 4th of July.
Why? July 4th has no greater significance than any other day in the UK.
That thumbnail is gold
Probably not, but it would be very funny
Tories having another tantrum about their leader, probably listening to too much 'Things Can Only Get Better' and taking it as a challenge.
No, there is no tantrum. It is a figment of TLDR's imagination, and you've displayed an enormous gullibility treating it with any sort of seriousness.
No because nobody else wants to be blamed for a historic defeat
I don't understand the UK system. Why let elected officials decide their own election schedule?
Because at some point we hit "Who watches the watchmen?" Like how American Congress can damn near do whatever they want short of violating Federal law.
And it's not unlimited. Basically, they are required to call a new GE within 5 years of the last one. so, f'rex, Sunak HAD to call for a GE before the.. I think it was 17th? of January 2025.
We also have a LOT of rules on how elections run to prevent the sort of corruption you see in, e.g. the USA. (TBF, That's largely 'cause the US system is based on the UK system before we passed all the laws we did to root corruption out of voting...)
@@Molikaiyes true it has to be called within 5 years but it’s still outrageous that the sitting PM can pick the most politically convenient time to do so. Never mind the US; there are many saner and more democratic systems to compare to. Let’s not even get started about first past the post and the unelected Lords.
For the benefit of our American friend, did you know that the UK government actually introduced a fixed term parliament act in 2011 precisely to overcome the ability of the PM to manipulate the election date to suit the government. 11 years later, in 2022 , the Johnson government repealed it….😅
Because the king used to have a right to dissolve the Parlament ever time he didn't like them, but some date, the king doesn't do anything without being asked by his prime minister. So it is up for Prime minister to set up a date.
I don't want him ousted, I want him to lose his Seat as an MP. Now that would be very nice😁
to the count who is a recyclon
Surely the new SNP leader having no profile is only going to help Labour and not the Tories?
Southern Scotland has many conservative constituencies, including some which are expected to stay blue, even though some where previously SNP voting constituencies
Labour couldn't win in Scotland as a leftwing party, it's funny that the English think that they can as neoliberals.
Constant lies, the 2 child cap and support of a genocide are pretty much the only arguments needed.
@@lucaslevinsky8802 Southern Scotland does not have _many_ tory constituencies.
Do you mean councils? Labour/tory band together to counter the SNP.
Some are not expected to _stay blue_ .
You have no idea what you're talking about.
The tories don't even have an office in mine.
John Swinney has had a public profile for a very long time. He is a stalwart of the SNP.
@@lucaslevinsky8802 many? They’ve got six in total.
What an unimaginable new low it would be. It would be a pathetic attempt to cling onto power, a new low even for the tories.
But if they want Labour to have 550 seats, it is a rather good plan 😅
Send him to Rawanada
Rwanda be through an enough
Does the labour party even need a manifesto at this point?
Given what he's just introduced (watching this from Australia right now) yeah, I think it's safe to say he's killed the party for good
At a certain point… the Tories have to ask themselves what a move like that looks like through the prism of democracy. They can talk all they want about “our system is different” but they have no mandate. I’ve seen banana republics overthrown by its people for less. It would be an actual coup and the King would have to act accordingly- via the emergency powers act- to continue the election without interference or cancellation.
If the King takes charge why should he stop, not like he could do worse than the current lot!
Our system isn't different. Most developed democracies are parliamentary like ours but the US and France are the major exceptions and they're also the countries we're most exposed to so it seems otherwise. The Netherlands are about to appoint a total unknown to become prime minister as we speak, Ireland are on their third PM since the last election, the prime minister of Sweden wasn't the leader of either of the two largest parties at the election, and the average Italian prime minister lasts just over a year.
@@catmonarchist8920you can make a realpolitik argument that people are in a state of political incoherence due to the simultaneous belief that "things need to change" and "no one is capable of changing things"
We are going to keep whipsawing between political 'movements' until you get some with concrete actionables that people can actively glom to.
Even if they did manage to oust sunak and install a new leader, I actually think there's a good chance the king would refuse to delay the election. The king doesn't intervene in politics because it's anti-democratic, but I don't think anyone could complain that refusing to cancel an election that's just weeks away is the anti-democratic choice.
4:26 "... as we saw in the final days of Truss a couple of years ago ..." You mean ALL of her 44 days as prime something? And it's been only one and a half years ago, but it feels much longer ago.
“The enemy can’t know your plan if you have none” ~ Sun Tzu, the art of war
>no idea what's going on
which is par for the course for the tories.
I am not interested in speculating whether Sunak will be ousted before the election because I think it is very unlikely. Sunak called the snap election and he needs to bear the burden of leading the campaign and the responsibility of the consequences. Nobody wants to pick up his wreckage. I am much more interested to see a video that reviews the top contenders for the Tory leadership position after Sunak is gone, which will surely happen after the election.
The reson he called an election he wanted to go on his summer holidays...did not want to miss them
sunak must have known his party rivals were moving in for a kill, so he went for broke. it was bold move. it's te first time i've felt any admiration for him.
Really informative thank you
Thank you for your reporting TLDR it is much appreciated
I'm sorry, minister of common sense?
They are so f**ked
0:50 Can't focus on anything he's saying - can only focus on the police officer petting Larry!
ZERO SEATS!!!
I Love The British Soap Opera! ❤
I think the real reason is that Richie Rich Sunak is a sneaky little swot.
I believe the word you're looking for begins with a t, not an s 😂
I sure hope so…
Things can only get wetter
Sunak is running. He knows something.
The thumbnail is awesome!
Best thumbnail for TLDR ever lol
Ngl, it would be so funny if one of the people to call a no confidence vote was the minister for common sense 🤣🤣
Thumbnail game on point, TLDR team 👌
Truss left couple of years ago, felt just like a few months ago.
We want TLDR election night special!!
I think "collapse of the Tories" is already a foregone conclusion. I don't think it could get any worse for them.
Given how the first 3 days have been in terms of optics it's gonna be a rough 5 weeks for little Richie rich
Wouldn't it be a hoot if they jumped through all those hoops and King Charles just shook his head and said "NO!" ??
Poor Sunak, he's been the only capable leader the Tories have had since May. (note: this was not a hard bar to meet considering the previous two PMs but considering he's the only one to not sink the ship even further beneath the waves, credit where it is due)
The Thumbnail had me XDDD
Sunak being dropped as party leader and refusing to step down basically makes him a neutral prime minister.
There's a minister for common sense?
0:47 Cat
Zero seats 😂
What do you mean Reform won't have enough candidates. They are 20 short and are in the process of filling them. Labour are 100 short and the Cons are 190 short. So Reform are in better shape than the uniparty.
You’ll be lucky to get 10% of the vote.
@@douglasstewart3889 UKIP got more than that in the 2015 vote and Reform is much stronger.
Sunackered!
Go on Nigel 🎉
The question being asked here is really whether the Conservative Party still can step back from the brink of insanity. So, I can see why this video was necessary.
If the Tories want to go into double digits in seats they could, the utter insanity of such a move would be hilarious.
What the hell is a minister for common sense? 😂
There’s a minister of “Common Sense” 😂🤣😂
This situation reminds me of last year in Spain. After horrible results (in terms of power) in local elections for the ruling forces Psoe+podemos, our president of goverment (Pedro sanchez) next day called a general election to prevent his party from gutting him, prevent the oposition of having a victory lap and force the far-left to coble together a coaltion.
Difference is all the small parties hate the conservatives so there's no chance of a similar outcome
Unlike Sanchez, who is pretty much a political Houdini at this point, I don’t think this sort of gamble will pay off for Sunak
@@LordDim1 Sunak wants to get out of the politics asap , May his wife or FIL asked him to focus on business
Out of curiosity, couldn't the King refuse to cancel the election? I don't mean to say that he should or would, but practically speaking if he just said no, or refused to appoint the new prime minister, what really would happen? I feel like he actually could, even though convention might say that he shouldn't.
I would support the King if he did!
Charles is just the man to do it because he loathes them. There’s not a lot he can do in terms of exercising power, because he actually has very little of it, but he HAS, on request, commanded the dissolution of parliament and that is not a reversible decision, even if he wanted to. So in short, the shenanigans of right wing loons, who he despises to his core, don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of succeeding.
The King would absolutely be within his rights to refuse to cancel the election. There is an unfortunate amount of misunderstanding, even in professional media, about the role of the king in calling elections. He has more discretionary authority than you’d think, and absolutely can refuse to act on advice. Under the Lascelles principles for example he can refuse a Prime Minister’s request to dissolve parliament, and he could absolutely refuse to cancel an already scheduled election
In effect cancelling an election after it being announced to the public because another unelected prime minister has been appointed would be an extremely undemocratic and not a good look for both the conservatives and the monarchy. Hence, I think the king would have every right to refuse (and be publicly backed) cancelling the election in the view of upholding the democratic right to vote.
@@LordDim1 there’s a difference though between theoretical and practical discretionary authority. I don’t know him personally but I know a couple of people who do and the idea of him bending rules at this rabble’s bidding is laughable. You make good points though about the ‘softness’ of our so called constitution (Johnson had a crack at actually dismantling our parliamentary processes and almost succeeded).
Do it, it would be so funny.
The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if he stepped down and didn't run for his seat !
It'd be pretty difficult for the Commons to hold a confidence vote considering Parliament has been prorogued. As well, once Parliament is dissolved (currently scheduled for 30 May), there won't be any sitting MPs, and so Brady will have zero letters of no-confidence.
Couldn't the King dissolve Parliament if Sunak is ousted as Prime Minister?
An even better hypothetical, what if Labour won the election, but Starmer lost his seat... Anyone in Holborn and St Pancras want to try it and find out?
No, that's just too complicated to pull off!
But it would be really funny though...
Imagine if the producers of the tv show "The Thick of it" could use this potential material and adapt that turmoil
Good luck to the Uk from an American.
What would be the constitutional position if he suddenly announced he was not going to stand for re-election?
Is important to note that the dissolution of parliament is part of a small set of constitutional powers which exist in a sort of limbo, in the sense that they are neither exercised by the king on his own discretion nor, as is often incorrectly asserted, on the advice of the prime minister. Note how Sunak specifically said he had “requested” the king dissolve parliament, rather than “advised”. This is a recognition of the fact that the king does actually have a degree of discretion over calling elections, and that thus the PM doesn’t have the power to give legally binding advice, as is the case on other matters.
While usually the monarch will accept a PM’s request for a dissolution, the Lascelles principles, a constitutional convention, lays out a series of scenarios in which the king can reject the request for a dissolution. Likewise, even if Sunak was somehow ousted as PM and replaced by someone opposed to an election, the king would be fully entitled constitutionally to refuse to call off the election. It would be very unlikely for the king to accede to such a request. He’d likely just keep the election going ahead anyway.
That ‘man’ Sunak bought Moderna stock before the vaccine was produced, in 2013, I think. How did he know that would make him a huge profit several years later? 🤔🤔
That tweet by Rory keeps showing up, I can’t help but think that the editors might be having a bit of fun with his predictions 😂
The minister for common sense???
That was inconsiderate of Sunak to make Cameron cut short his ministerial holiday to sunny Albania !😁😂
The current state of British politics at the top is very reminiscent of the declining days of the Roman Empire: churning or threatening their own leaders, while the economy is under pressure is bad news for any party AND the country they rule.
Minister for common sense? This government is a joke i swear 💀
Beth Rigby said on her podcast Electoral Disfunction that it was Andrea Leadsom who stood up in the 1922 Committee to dissent.
Obviously she has since said she’s standing down anyway, which I suppose reveals her motives.
I hope he is
To not having the time of the election set by law and instead letting the prime minister decide seems to only benefit the prime minister/leading party. For everyone else it seems like pure madness and it can't be beneficial for democracy.
The only way to stop Sunak is to make sure he failed to win constituency
Even if it all worked out in their favor I don't think there's enough time for the whole process to go through before anyway.
This may be the very first time that Sunak has ever outmaneuvered someone.
Can you look at the other unlikely hypothetical? What happens if Labour win, but Starmer loses his seat?
Can you look at the other unlikely hypothetical? A killer asteroid wipes out life on Earth.
Im out of the loop, what the heck is a minister of common sense doing?
2:20 it was Andrea Leadsom
Minster for Common Sense??? 2:23
They are the officially the “minister of state without portfolio” but have apparently been dubbed the “minister for common sense” and are in charge of the “anti woke agenda”
Not an actual title.
What the fuck is wrong with Prime Ministers of that tiny island
I'll give my immediate answer to the question posed in the title BEFORE I watch the video, and then (if I need to correct or clarify what I've said AFTER I've watched it, I will edit this comment to add further comments, but I will NOT change my original comments.
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Before watching:
Yes, it is quite possible that Conservative MPs COULD (thoeretically) write in enough numbers to the 1922 Committee to remove Sunak as leader before the election, but what would be the point?
1. I am not aware of any mechanism by which that would DELAY the election, now Parliament has already been prorogued prior to its full dissolution in a few more days. (Although if I'm wrong on this, I'd be extremely interested to learn more.)
2. No way that another leader could be selected before the election (for similar reasons as above).
3. Even if both of the above are NOT correct, any new leader would presumably have mere days to mount their own campaign, which is frankly ludicrous.
4. "Changing horse mid-stream" AGAIN would likely piss the electorate off even more, and would be electoral mass suicide.
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After watching comments:
Yeah, what I said above.
I think the path would have to be that the replacement happens before the dissolution and the new PM advises the king to cancel the election that was already called?
But that's got so many failure points in it that it's barely even worth articulating.