Surrey Langley Skytrain First Look
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- čas přidán 12. 11. 2023
- This is a first look at the Surrey Langley Skytrain extension that will be built starting in early 2024.
Filmed over a couple days in 2023.
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Just a few days ago the Provincial government announced massive sweeping changes to how cities must build around transit stations. The Fleetwood, Clayton, and Langley Township/city plans will be updated sometime in the next year to reflect these changes. I'll address it in the next video, since if I updated this one it wouldn't be released for another month(s) :)
Such an amazing change, so nice to see the province stepping in and overriding municipalities like this. Another great video as always, it's criminal how underrated you are
I will be watching from Edmonton (we have made great changes to zoning recently) to see how it goes in BC. The Lower Mainland really needed these changes!
Looking forward to it! Was just about to comment wondering how these TOD plans will have to change even more with the NDP's TOD rezoning changes going into effect next June (at the latest, apparently). We still have to see what regulations they come up with and how that affects municipal setback and other archaic zoning bylaws in smaller cities like mine (on the island).
But didn't cut the development fees or the permitting fees.
It still costs more for those than it does for the building.
Is this your own drone footage?
Langley to Waterfront Station in 62 minutes is fantastic. No stress. No parking. Just sit and chill- look out the window and listen to a book. And for what? $6.20? Keep it coming.
A rail trip instead of a road trip
and if you are coming in from Langley, you are pretty much guaranteed a seat...
Just imagine if this region had had this 10-15 years ago instead... damn...
Well with all the developments around the new line will create more ridership. In time it will be just as busy. @@theorganguy
@@RUmlas and your point with that being?
Great use of street footage, drones, maps, and renderings! As someone not living in North America this gives great geographical context and visualization of the plans. Thank you for the video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Transit operator here, loops are always welcome as they give us good places to park for our layover and often break rooms with microwaves and kitchens :) Nice analysis
Great video, thank you!
Both you & RMTransit are doing a marvellous service to us folks interested in rapid transit and future developments.
I thought this would never happen!! I’m so happy that it’s going to Langley, hopefully Abbotsford one day!
It will take longer construction
7:56 That's the location of a future intersection for the 192st connector/190st and Fraser Hwy. Based on the rendering, I'd say you're correct about it being on the north side of Fraser Hwy, but located just a bit further northwest of those razed houses you pointed out (you can see the future intersection/right hand turn lane in your drone shot which matches up with the proposed intersection rendering). The City of Surrey should show the new location of the intersection in the Clayton Corridor plan as well (it's been a little while since I've viewed it).
Yeah! I think it's that farmers field. That will be the station and a bunch of towers. So cool!
Thanks for all your hard work, these videos are incredibly useful and fun to watch.
The City of Coquitlam is building its 1st waterfront, fraser River community, or fraser mills in southern Coquitlam. at the bottom of King Albert street & united Boulevard. I grew up in the tri-cities and just wanted to mention this if you haven't heard.
I've seen a few articles about it and gone past it on the bus a couple times. The masterplan looks great, can't wait to see it when it's all done!
*King Edward st.
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I live near the new coming project , thanks for this video and how it will be built , will keep a look out for more of your undate videos as this project starts early next year .
The BC Government just enacted new legislation that overrides all local plans and zoning for areas around Skytrain stations, but in a way that will positively impact these new urban centers. Within 200 meters of a Skytrain station, the minimum allowable height of buildings will be twenty stories, so now there is nothing holding back taller buildings from being constructed at all Skytrain stations. That means that even if a city only wants only 6-12 story buildings and townhouses near a Skytrain station, a developer can build a more profitable 20 story tower if they so please. This law also stipulates the 12 stories as the minimum allowable height of buildings within 200-400 meters from a station, and 8 stories 400-800 meters from a station. So, you can expect the developments at Fleetwood, Clayton, and Langley to get a lot larger because the infrastructure, laws, and economics all stipulate a win-win situation for higher densification.
You have a lot of fait in the government 😅
@@TheOnlyKontrol Currently, I do have faith in BC's NDP government under David Eby. Horgan really was more of the same flabby boomer politics that the Liberals gave us for years, and nothing improved during his tenure. David Eby on the other hand has some great laws that he's enacted along with his housing minister. Greater Vancouver municipal governments seem to be on board with the new legislation. It allows private developers to more easily flood the market with new supply, which would drop housing costs across the board. Federal government is really where it's lacking now, and I really don't think they're addressing housing as much as they need to be. The Conservatives have more of a plan than the Liberals, but even there, it's lacking because there's no national social housing plan to help pad the need for affordable housing.
@@RoboJules Eby is a tyrant
@@oldmedstudent1750 How so? By allowing people to densify their own urban land with less government approval?
@@RoboJules Yes! Darn that Eby!!!!!!!!
This video is one that is only going to get more intersting over time. The "before" images for the transformation of the Fraser Highway corridor.
thanks for the video, great to see that Surrey has already planned for some of density increases now required by the province
Hell yeah, I love seeing your updates! Thanks for keeping up with everything and sharing!
Love your channel! Just found it and it's so great to see the progress on these projects and have concept art put into perspective.
Great video! Thank you for the update and all your hard work.
wow! video do gives a good insight, the camera drones used for shooting are really good, provides a clear picture what to expect and how its gonna look like.
Great video, thanks for putting it together.
Great stuff, thank you so much for documenting this!
Can't wait to look back on this video once it's done!
Very informative video, thank you for sharing!
Very informative and great job on the b-roll! 👏🏽👏🏽
Thanks so much for the update!
Very exciting! Looking forward to this new line!
What a great video! Thanks for all the hard work on putting this together.
I love the quarterly format of your videos and always look forward to them every couple of months. As a Vancouverite, I'm really excited for what's coming to our transportation network in the next couple of years. As well, with the sweeping changes made by the provincial government regarding building housing around SkyTrain stations, it is much needed for the locals, including myself, who want to stay in Metro Vancouver long term.
Very nice overview. Well put together video that highlights the route. :D
Excellent Presentation. Thanks for your effort.
Extremely informative. Thank u.
Very interesting and fantastic footage. This is very exciting, especially in conjunction with the new laws regarding developments surrounding transit stops.
Thanks for these videos mate.
Very excited for this series!
What an excellent video, I'm so glad it was recommended to me.
I love this! Thanks for the info
I'm from Surrey. Thanks for this video!
English spoken, or Punjabi?
Video was very informative!! Thank you!
I was actually planning on making a video of this too! Would love to connect - whats thew best email to reach you at?
This is a great video, thank you
I am so excited for this. I am Happy the line is going in one stage, as I work in Langley but live in Surrey. My hour commute by bus is going down to half an hour! With no 15-20 minute wait for a bus.
Looking forward to future updates!
Langley used to be a nice place to live. Lived there for the first 44 years of my life. You used to know your neighbours, crime was just your typical high school kids bored on a Friday night.
Moved two years ago north and into the woods. Best decision I have ever made
Excited to see the progress on this project. Lots of good development to come. Amazing aerial videos
You should have way more subscribers than you do for the quality of videos you put out. I don't even live near Vancouver but i find the skytrain expansion really interesting, you earned a sub from me
Great video :)
Watching citynerd, notjustbikes and oh the urbanity probably sent the algorithm here. Also i used to live in Clayton, and whenever i go back, the more i see the need for mass transit in those areas. Thanks for the updates
Funny I think Guildford needs a skytrain too.
100%, it's just a matter of time and funding
Love these videos
This line was originally announced when they built the first line what more then 40 years ago 1986 or there abouts and finally they're getting around to extending it exactly like they stated they were going to do then.
This is what happens when the payroll for mayors and city councillors is higher many of the services in Vancouver, a city of about 2.2 million including Surrey. With what 27 city halls including the GVRD.
We pay 10s of billions a years for mayor's and city councillors that's why there is no money left for anything else. City councilors and mayor's become multi millionaires here in public office.
I remember riding the Skytrain at Expo '86. I didn't realise it was going to be a new city transit thing until a while later when it opened for the public and my class rode it on a field trip.
It's taken ages to expand the Skytrain. Nice to see it getting to further cities. Combined with the West Coast Express there is going to be pretty decent coverage for in-and-out of Vancouver core.
@@RavenMobile That's not the one we have today that was a display maglev.
Great detailed overview. Reece Martin would be proud.
If StainerTheFirst collabs with RMTransit
Great video!
Great! much needed
goldmine channel! thanks algorithm
Great videos
Super interesting and helpful video for someone who grew up in Langley. Recognize all those spots, really happy to see they're being developed and that focus is being put on building walk-able communities. Lots of those areas are horrible, car-centric places with box stores and stroads right now, as you said. Wish I had had this accessibility when I was a kid there!
Just as a side note, as these videos progress I can hear you getting more comfortable in front of the mic. Good stuff as always, staying tuned for the updates 😎
damn feels like... 15 years ago when they first announced it. Would be great for Langley for sure. It'd be cool if one day they did something towards south Surrey and White Rock
Maybe I'm just optimistic, but I wouldn't be surprised if the line down King George blvd gets serious before the end of the decade.
I would love to see Abbotsfort, White Rock, Delta and Ladner to be connected to the new Langley line with the Richmond one. I hope all those new highrises would have the bottom two floors for commercial use/small businesses. It would be good to create some sort of community vibe.
great vid
great video
Thanks for the video. It's great to see updates on construction. Any idea if there will be park and rides at any of the stations
From everything I've seen, it doesn't look like it.
It’s about time!
Exciting!
BRILLIANT video ... good shots, good explanations -- and good on ya mate ... acknowledging restricted airspace in Langley. Do some digging and find out why "Langley Prairie" seceded from the Township and why (me, once longterm resident of Langley City) I am convinced that re-amalgamating is something Langley City should NEVER do -- and why if there were the political will, Aldergrove should secedee as well -- from the boundary to the river from 276 to 252nd.
Good stuff.
I’d like to think the Mark 1’s will have a chance to run on the Langley expansion, as well as the Broadway expansion 🙏🏼
If I don't hear 152nd street, I'll never be happy. That name is hip hop gold! We need that for future tracks mannnn
If there’s at least regular bus connections to YXX I imagine flights will increase. I live downtown, so yvr is my only realistic option rn. Would love a realistic secondary option
exciting!
Love these videos and am looking forward to the future ones for SLS. Quick question tho, I had thought that the yard in Coquitlam was being built for the SLS expansion, where did you hear about this potential fifth yard?
Hey! The yard in Coquitlam (OMC4) is more for the Broadway extension. In a recent interview with the head of SkyTrain they discussed how OMC4 is a catch up yard and should have been built back when the Millennium line went in. They also talked briefly about OMC 5 Here's a link to that on the Daily Hive - dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-expansion-program-sany-zein-bcrtc-translink
There's also been reports in the budget about OMC5, it's a dense read - www.translink.ca/-/media/translink/documents/about-translink/corporate-reports/business_plan/2023_business_plan_operating_and_capital_budget.pdf
@@StainerTheFirst Wow I had no idea about these, thanks for the links! Keep up the great coverage, I'm looking forward to the OMC4 video :)
Great video! Would love to see you do a similar video with the rumored Port Coquitlam Skytrain expansion and where the new stations may be placed.
I'm slowly working on a video that talks a bit about it and other expansions that are coming soonish. No eta on that video, but it's on my mind!
@@StainerTheFirst Awesome, keep up the great work!
YESSSS ITS STARTING 🙏
Please do a video on how the Cantilever Truss System works. This video was awesome!
I'm hoping to get some good shots of it in action in a couple years when it starts assembling guideway.
Very informative video. Just curious if they could build at grade in the ALR section to decrease cost. Build up over intersection of highway 15 and Fraser but have grade level for a few km on either side
I'm no expert when it comes to construction costs, but by having it grade separated we don't have to worry about flooding, farm access, or vehicles accidently ending up in the guideway. Plus building it at ground level would still require digging deep to reach stable ground.
Ambitious extensions lately
Hopefully this is just the start, I'm waiting for the line the North Van from Metro town, that will be a huge project!
@@StainerTheFirst I'm looking for the one going all the way to UBC
I like how you emphasize the cost is Canadian dollars. I would have thought it would have been budgeted in American dollars for a project in Canada!
Great video!! I have my advanced pilot license and I should be able to get approval and unlock the flight area near the Langley casino to get drone footage for you. I'd love to help, as this is just the kind of video I wanted to make footage for. 😀
Hey thanks for the offer! I've just started working towards mine as well and should hopefully have it for the next video! Sorry about the super delayed response
Damn, those are some deep piles.
My prediction of what names the stations might get:
140 St: Green Timbers
152 St: [I don’t know what it should be called to be honest, but something with 152 St. can do.]
160 St: Fleetwood (Town) Centre
166 St: Coast Meridian
184 St: North Cloverdale or West Clayton
190 St: East Clayton
196 St: Willowbrook (Centre)
203 St: Langley Centre
there isn't anything speaking against all the stations being named by the cross-road numbers...
@@theorganguy It would be kind of non descriptive though. I think the numbers would only be chosen if there is truly nothing recognizable or memorable in the area to name the station after (see 22nd Street in New West or 29th Avenue in Vancouver).
Names for the station have been announced as of December 1. some of the names I have predicted have come true, some are different.
Chosen Names for the Stations (as of Dec 1 2023)
140 St: Green Timbers
152 St: 152 Street
160 St: Fleetwood
166 St: Bakerview - 166 Street
184 St: Hillcrest - 184 Street
190 St: Clayton
196 St: Willowbrook
203 St: Langley City Centre
I love watching metro system being built
I take the 345 to work so I will see the, almost daily, progress of part of the project; and experience the delays from detours.
i might take selfies outside that white spot to show my grandchildren I'm an OG
This is fascinating! I live in Vancouver now, but I grew up right around the area of these future stations! It’s surreal to see all those buildings I knew well as a kid, and know the whole area will change in a matter of years. But I think this project will be great for the area. Thanks so much for the info :-)
It's sorta nuts it's taken this long to get to this point. There was talk of this like 20 years ago when I still lived in BC. It takes way too long to get anything built in this country.
this hits hard because I come from surrey bc
I am a frequent visitor to BC from Manitoba and believe that the SkyTrain system is the gold standard for public transportation in Canada, maybe even North America. I travel extensively and always use public transit when I travel, I have yet to find one I like better than BC's
Skytrain is terrible as its a one track system. No way to go around or skip stations.
People need to look at Asia to see true proper transit. And not the garbage here in north america
176th and fraser highway is where the new maintenance center is planned. Yes the floods plains.
Very interesting! I wonder why they chose that spot given the subpar soil conditions and having to deal with the ALR rules. Looking forward to when the official report comes out!
@StainerTheFirst I am aswell. But it does kinda make sense with the amount of space that it also flat. Someone I know is a manager. He is wondering the same thing. Practically the whole system is being upgraded aswell as current equipment isnt able to handle the extended distance. They are getting a new control center across the street from their current yard. One of my biggest pet peeves I got are people that call Canada Line skytrain.
Plus with it being flood plains I wonder how they plan to deal with drainage. Like would a moat around the yard be enough
You did your research.
Still building the original plan 40years later. Damn, By the time they reach Hope it will be time to rip it all out like the electric tram system that was in place a hundred years ago all over Vancouver and out into the Frazer Valley.
it`s sad this took so long,Premier Bennet said he want this thirty seven years ago on tv
Better late than never
Yup.. I remember them talking about this when I was in high school. I'm 40 now. Canada really needs to get better at building things.
Would love to know what the parking situation is going to be like-I know that Langley can have some boneheaded minimums
Im confused at to how you say the skytrain will be on the southside going through the farm land and then jump to the north side at 184th. At what point does it switch? Also on the skytrain website it says it’s north side the whole way. Please confirm which is correct?
The alignment between 166th and 184th through the ALR does run on the south side of Fraser Highway. On page 57 on this pdf, it shows the whole design for that section www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/transportation-infrastructure-projects/surrey-langley-skytrain/environmental-2023/231101-sls-cemp-framework.pdf
Hope that helps :)
Do you have a link for the “study” that suggested LRT would lead to increased accidents?
It's all in the resources linked here www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation-projects/surrey-langley-skytrain/surrey-langley-skytrain-project-resource-library
It's also generally accepted that grade separation almost entirely prevents accidents between trains and automobiles. Just look at the fun Edmonton is having with drivers constantly colliding with the lrt
@@StainerTheFirst I understand that there is a resource page that has a thousand or so pages. I was wondering if you had a specific reference.
Respectfully, if it is a question of safety, an at grade vs elevated grade system is more nuanced than what you mention. I have travelled and studied models around the world.
At grade systems do in fact slow traffic, which is the point. It incentivizes transit use. Elevated systems may be faster, but allow for the continued use of frequent private automobile use. Throughout Europe, almost every country has lower traffic accident rates with at grade LRT than USA and Canada.
The anecdotal evidence of Edmonton, where I use to live, is just that. Since 2015, fatalities have decreased by 50%, serious injuries have declined by 32%, and pedestrian fatalities and serious injuries have decreased by 27%. Edmonton is also an interesting city since for most of the year, there are no lanes due to snow coverage and it’s consequential snow related damage to the roads. Edmonton sees collision rates of 15-17 crashes per 1,000 population per year.
My point, however, is that the comparison is not adequate because it ignores the accident rate of the private automobile. Skytrain continues to allow for faster cars on the road, which can lead to more accidents, not less. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that slowing cars is safer.
I am happy to review a specific study, however, if you have one since you made the assertion as fact.
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Thank you for this update. As someone who moved to Okanagan 20 years ago and frequent Vancouver once a month, I sure appreciate the improvements. Can't wait to see the train go all the way to Hope BC.
I am rather tired of all the new transit heading to UBC and trumping all other communities who desperately need this new system flowing East rather than West. Vancouver is mostly flat and easy to walk and ride bike or scooters. Not complaining but the bus system in Vancouver is very good. Three minutes to catch a bus is unreal. Broadway corridor is quite nasty to navigate now. Looking forward to your next video.
Glad you liked the video! I'm pretty hopeful that we'll see a lot more transit attention outside of Vancouver proper in the next few years. Long term the plans for extending out to the east look promising. There's also a study concluding soon about what a large scale heavy/high speed rail system could look like extending from Vancouver out to Chilliwack and beyond (www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation/transportation-reports-and-reference/reports-studies/lower-mainland/fraser-valley-transportation-study)
It's seems like the link doesn't work anymore. Would you mind sending me one to this site, please?
Sad that the white spot is permanently shutting down. One of the few that still offer the the drive up option which fits in with the classic cars through out the city
Here's hoping they relocate close by, or maybe open a triple Os in the station?
@StainerTheFirst Thats kinda what I hope to see. Have it perhaps built into the station
I don’t understand why the Fleetwood Skytrain station is being put in the spot of the Tim Hortons. Just before the rec centre property the Tim Hortons is apart of there is an abandoned property. That property used to be where the Two EE’s organic farmers market was.
Now we just need a skytrain to go all the way to the ferry
Those arial shots are great. Although it really puts into perspective the ugliness of Surrey's design lol.
That is population growth for you. :) People settle in an area and then more and more people settle. No planning I bet in the 1940s or earlier. :)
You sure that the last Langley City station is correct? I think they changed it, but makes no sense. The site is suggested at the old pub across the street.
Page 64 in this pdf shows the final design as part of the bid package for construction: www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/transportation-infrastructure-projects/surrey-langley-skytrain/environmental-2023/231101-sls-cemp-framework.pdf
As far as I can tell, these are the absolute final locations. Same as in the video :)
@@StainerTheFirst my question to you is: Why is your website link staying posted, while on the other side, whenever I post my own website links on CZcams they all of a sudden disappear within 60 seconds? 🤔 If your comment includes a link to any website, should it not remain posted either?
@@craiglungren8703 I think it's because if it's your own video it's fine, whereas if you're commenting on someone else's video with a link there's a high chance it's spam. CZcams works in weird ways
They should add some sort of Light-rail/train system for South Delta to cut down travel time.
Hopefully one day it will reach out to Chilliwack
I think you can report it to City of Surrey and they might create an extension. Nothing happens unless people report or request it
It would probably make more sense to do regional rail rather than SkyTrain since Chilliwack is so far away from Vancouver. It would be much faster than SkyTrain, mainly thanks to a higher top speed and less stops.
I can see a mix of Skytrain an LRT as a great combo. Between cities and for speed, use the Skytrain, but inside the city an LRT would be good. I still want to see something in the middle of HWY 1 from at least Abby ( should be Chilliwack) into the city( maybe into Surrey as a great hub). I have to drive for work, but being able to remove up to 25% of vehicles off the road would help out a lot. I dont mind paying road taxes with my gas if i see it going where to help out the whole area for transit
100%, I'm sure at some point in the future we'll see streetcars or LRT being added to the system. It does make sense for some areas, but it's making sure we build with the right technology for every project. Something that has happened in other cities is an LRT gets built instead of a higher capacity option to save money in the short term, where then in 10-20 years down the road it needs to be upgraded or replaced at vast cost to meet future demands. When we built an LRT or streetcar, we need to make sure that it's the right fit for both now and 30+ years into the future. Gotta use those dollars wisely.