The Creature From Midnight Mass Explained
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Timestamps
0:00 How the vampire came to Crockett
2:56 Could it be an Angel?
5:01 Fallen Angels
7:10 drinking the creatures blood
9:34 what did it want?
12:30 Angel or Vampire?
13:02 other theories
14:47 final thoughts and outro - Zábava
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A vampire that a senile old priest convinced himself was an angel because “it saved him”. Felt pretty straightforward.
I'm with you. It's very straightforward and there's no question about it. He had dementia and called it an angel. Vampires are intelligent; so when it heard angel it made Pruitt its thrall/servant. Very straightforward.
If I remember correctly, at no time in the show does anyone compare the "angel" to a vampire, so it's very possible the concept of a vampire doesn't exist in the world of midnight mass. Yes, Pruitt could be thought to be a thrall if we use vampire tropes from outside of the show, but I think there is room for speculation.
Yes lol I saw the title of the video and was like “wuuuuuuuuut???”
But why the vampire give him his blood? to control him?
@@jwoz8517 the vampire was stuck in a crypt in the desert for untold years and was weak from lack of feeding. It restored the priest so that he could arrange for boxing it up and setting it up somewhere safe where it could feed on others and grow stronger.
Interestingly, the worst and most violent parts of the show aren't because of the vampire. It was Bev who poisoned that dog, it was Bev who decided that a mass murder suicide was the way to go. The vampire just went along with it.
“This crazy lady has some good ideas”
That’s how Lucifer works he makes it so you make the decision and he doesn’t take the blame for your actions. It’s his duty to bring truth to the light and he’s seeing who really is a servant of good or a servant of evil then he punishes you for betraying God.
Yeah she made the vampire look like an angel
@@TtotheCizzel She made it a fucking little dress!
Honestly I think the Angel should have been scared of Bev. Like the dude was turning people into monsters, but was a monster all along, and just for the sake of it
Riley, and his Parents were able to refrain themselves from drinking blood because they have been practicing sobriety for what Riley did. Hence why his younger brother did not drink with his buddies in the uppards in the first episode. They have learned not to give Into cravings and control themselves. Very good Writing there for sure!
I didn't even think about that and I was a few months into my sobriety when this show came out! Crazy to look back and see things that I didn't notice before. Such a great show, and the way the "angel" comes into the church with robes on was fucking creepy to me. I'm not very religious but I did grow up in church and with religion around me. Just not super into it and my mom and I stopped going after a couple bad experiences. But gave me enough knowledge to get me creeped out when watching this show! I may not believe in the exact Abrahamic god/prophets in the form they're spoken of in the Bible. But this show gave me the creeps enough to remind me we don't know everything that we want to know or should
Hey great catch there.
I thought it was like strength of character or strong Wills that prevented them to go berserk. Like the Flynn parents, Mrs.Gunning and Ali unlike everyone they didn't give in to the urge to kill and drink. Kinda like Dracula Untold how Vlad had the will to not give in to the thirst/hunger, also stated by his maker.
I think it’s more will power than sobriety, because Riley had been sober but still tried to attack Bev. Also Ali didn’t attack anyone either. I’m also pretty sure we see Ed Flynn taking a bottled beer out of the fridge in one episode so maybe he still drinks, although it could’ve been soda.
@@bigguy8818 I think it's more about willpower and discipline than sobriety. Ali was a practicing Muslim and was raised with discipline and a strong moral compass by his father.
I mean, a Vampire trapped in the middle of a desert sounds like it's imprisoned, no blood to consume and too much sunlight to escape. The fallen angel origin theory makes sense.
It could be very well be Jesus christ. the creature was not in chains, it was trapped in what could be a burial chamber.
After the day always comes the night
he was trapped… underground. no sun. i don’t see how him being an angel has anything to do with this detail.
There's a book which mentioned a creature like this it held a man up against a wall the man thought he would die from being choked it told the man a religion the man claimed .
the year was 610 bce
That man became the prophet of that religion his male followers are often named after him
LOOK INTO IT
@@tonoornottono It's one of the more heavy religious themes
Book of Enoch was an early Christian text but was not given offical canonisation by the catholic church so fell into obscurity, there's only like 3 small orthodox churches that still use it.
In it fallen angels drink blood and corrupt men. The Angel Michael sends the rebel angels down to Tartarus which is described as a "deep dark place" and they are forbidden to walk in the light.
It also hits upon the references the new testament with Jesus being tempted by the devil in the desert to feed. Jesus refused, the priest in the show gave in to temptation.
When the Mother says to the pastors assistant “God loves my son just as much as he loves you. Why does that make you so angry?” THAT’S what so many people need to hear. This show was a masterpiece of metaphors.
Whoever the pastors assistant is did an amazing job of acting I she made my blood boil like few actors have been able to do
@@dadcomeback1470 rip doggy 😔 beautiful cane corso
That is not a metaphor
@@Nutterbutter123 her killing that dog set my hate in stone for that character
Mrs Carmondy from The Mist
as someone who reads a lot about abrahamic religions, i never actually seen it as a vampire, i just assumed that it was a fallen angel (demon) from the begining and the whole sun weakness and blood drinking are just symptoms of him being a literal mockery of regular angel
-it is said in ancient jewish texts that angels were casted down into great, dark caves uder ground (the cave where we meet him)
-it is said that they are banished from the light and "may they never see the sun again" (they die from light)
-it is said that they are a mockery of god (they literally mock the resurrecton of christ by reviving people as monsters and mock the eucharist by drinking their own corrupted blood instead of the blood of christ, the demon in the show also chooses to use a man of faith as his tool to kill a whole flock of his followers)
-it is said that they are deceiving (literally tricks an entire town of people into commiting suicide)
Vampires are kinda just an extension of what christians would call a demon if you think about it that way (but not entirely ofc, the original and earliest tales of vampires from slavic mythology (wąpierz) describe that vampires were once humans who were cursed during life, but you get what i mean)
Do you have a link for these ancient Jewish text your talking about. I to study religion I would love to read more.
After the video and your comment I am sure this is a fallen angel and he makes the vampires, his cursed offspring.
Perhaps it is a fallen angel that is also a vampire but that it is the progenitor of vampires and their earliest legends
@@bard8903 you don't have a name for these writings I read all types of religion papers a name helps me find the info with having to get approval from the Vatican and most of the info I'm researching they don't let see the light of day
@@wintertrooper7918 i like to think of it as a demon, a fallen angel, that took bodily form so that it could infect humans with vampirism. it would probably be difficult to "infect" a human as an incorporeal spirit, so it had to take a "human" form (in mockery of jesus) to spread its curse.
Man, Mike Flanagan is such a criminally underrated director.
And creator. I love his shows.
I've been grieving a lot recently , this moments where they spoke about death in this show truly helped me. AMAZING show .
DUDE ME TOO I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER
Why are you telling us. Keep it to yourself weirdo’s
@@123456donnell because this is the comment section? Where people talk about the subject matter of the video and how it influenced them?
How did it make you feel better? It basically said there’s no after life and when you die you cease to exist
@@bigbobabc123 For some of us that's a peaceful thought not a scary one. In a way it forces you to believe your life is truly worth living, because what else is there for you but it?
This show was a gem. Highly underrated.
sadly its discontinued
@@hunterklugh5067 well it’s pretty much a limited series within a larger set of projects by the creator. Same with its predecessors Hill House and Bly Manor (also excellent works), and it’s followed by The Midnight Club which will be released in October. Sign me up to be the first viewer of that one lol
@@hunterklugh5067 no it's just a limited series
Yea I enjoyed it.
It was a gem in the same line as The Messiah, that was also a thought provoking show, and also discontinued only after one season.
I've always believed and still believe 100% that this thing is a Vampire, Monsignor Pruitt just has his beliefs so strongly that he thinks this creature is a angel when it clearly has all the call signs of being a vampire and the creature used Pruitt's beliefs against him to fool him into thinking he was a good angel of the lord when it's actually a blood drinking demon, but also I would find it more interesting if this creature was some kind of demonic angel of some kind that would be very different
Yeah it is 100% a vampire
Yeah its a vampire that probably created the Christian Faith
My theory: It’s a cursed/fallen Angel, perhaps from the Biblical cities of Sodom and Gomorrah event like the story in Guillermo Del Toros “The Strain” depicts. Their human victims infected by their curse burn in the Sun and other such creations of Gods grace they’ve fell short of. Check out the origin of the strigoi on YT it pretty much clicks right in. Wild
Demons are fallen angel so it could of been the latter
“Demonic angel” that’s just called a demon.
In the show it was made clear that this wasn’t just an ordinary cave but some kind of ancient structure, likely a temple or some kind of prison perhaps as when he’s inside it you can definitely make out that it’s much bigger than the initial room he is in, it has vaulted ceilings and there were a few hallways that stretched into the darkness and went around corners. He mentioned early many ancient ruins had been uncovered by the recent storms, I’m thinking this was a ruin from the time of the ancient Assyrians or something even older, as many of their deities and what we would even call demons were pictured with wings of a sort. Perhaps this was one of them that they could not kill and so had to imprison it somehow so they built the tomb to contain it.
Guillermo Del Toro's THE STRAIN has the seven original vampires, known as The Ancients, as manifesting from the original angel who was killed and torn into seven individual pieces for the unforgivable crime of killing his angel brother so to drink his blood (which was silver, so in life silver hurts them). They, The Ancients, must also maintain and keep the dirt/soil from which they landed after being torn apart and cast down. They also cannot cross over moving water by themselves. We see this in the show as The Master's coffin box is filled with his dirt and loaded into a van to be driven across the bridge to be taken into Manhattan (which is an island). Kudos to you for souring them! Love your channel. ❤️
It's interesting that a curse like vampirism is given a scientific explanation in Midnight Mass, which kinda makes sense to a layman. Of course, if there was a God and it decided to curse someone then it would just be an insanely advanced virus or something that wouldn't make sense to us which I find interesting and would have endless possibilities in fiction. If someone from 2000 years ago saw us in our world today, they may consider us to be of some higher power. Not having to push doors to open them, flying without wings etc. I wish Midnight Mass had a prequel or sequel. Mike Flanagan is on a roll right now.
Far advanced science will always appear to the ignorant as magic until the mind can learn its secrets.
I mean going off the Christian discipline, God has been quite creative but not too complex. Like with the plagues of egypt, made it rain Sulfur as well. On an individual scale, he has just given someone severe bad luck, made someone think they're a cow if I am not mistaken. When choosing to curse someone, he doesn't make it complex, but effective.
So the likely option would be to get them bit by a black mamba or somth. Or perhaps they have illness incurable in their region
Vampires with a scientific explanation is The Strain, probably one of the best depiction’s of vampires ever.
it makes sense that god would create things that work inside the lines of what we believe to be the laws of nature he would have created said laws himself. (which is why creation very well could have followed what the big bang science suggests potentially just in super speed time lasp to explain the 7 days stuff). so i think it makes alot of sense that seemingly super natural beings could be natural just from parts of nature humans are rare to be exposed to.
@@crystalbluepartain3434 I mean in the Bible, for the most part, God has kept it within the the rules of nature etc
I accidentally stumbled across this series and then could not stop watching for 8 straight hours. It is one the best vampire shows I have ever seen but it’s so much more than just about vampires. It is more to do with human nature than anything else
And here was me thinking Vampirism (and its thirst) was always the subject of interpretation of human nature. (The undead in general are.)
I could imagine the “angel” as a fallen angel. Something that was once an angel who was struck down into something that’d have to hide from the light and feed on the beings it could’ve hated. Kinda like how some stories, Satan hated humanity getting the love of God, and therefore fully decided to rebel then.
Nephilim is what their called
@@brettsmith5903 Nah, Nephilim are the offspring of (Fallen?) Angels and humans, born after "the Sons of God laid with the daughters of Men" and all that.
Fallen angels are literally demons, I'm pretty sure that's what the word demon means anyway
@@Serpentking789 This character can very well be a Nephilim. Demons are spirits and don't have a physical body, much less blood.
It is surely not a demon(fallen angel) because they are spirits and hence have no physical body. If we were to make something up, it could be a Nephilim. But if we were to be fully Christian, this monster would be a lab product or a hominid subspecies gone wrong due to evolution.
I loved this show. The soliloquy at the final scene, where Erin describes her view of life and death, brought me to tears. It was so vast and encompassing, far more open than any one religion. I even wrote it down.
The creature reminded me of the winged creatures in the film, Jeruzalem.
@susanyee1
My old school was Catholic. Looking back it was full of strange creepy teachers, and a resident nun, who wore a huge black outfit that made her looked like she was floating along the buildings corridors. The headmaster was on another level of scary. He looked exactly like this vampire, seriously he wore a black robe that had wings attached from his armpits to his waists. He was a frigging vampire bat, and a menacing attitude to match.
@@tonymaxwellhatt1175 Yikes! Was it a creepy old building, too?
I'm surprised nobody else tossed this option out there, from what I've seen at least, but a cave in the Middle Eastern desert and seemingly granting wishes but enacting a price sounds more like a D'jinn than a vampire or fallen angel. Especially when taken into consideration that some D'jinn were good, others bad and some in a gray area.
A Jinn Is a very good possibility. Especially since it is Canon to Middle Eastern and Abrahamic lore.
It was my thought as well. Like a combination of the two showcasing how these myths probably originated from different perceptions of the same creature
Probably. In supernatural the djinn were reimagined as vampiric. Could be the reverse here that vampires are a type of djinn
@@Twulfbynight Though Djinn are creatures made of fire in Islamic and Arabic mythology, so the sunlight thing might not work... i could be wrong since there isn't much else to go off of from mythology. So it's open to interpretation.
Some "jin" were fallen angels.
To me, it seemed implied that it was a vampire and arguably, the entire belief system was based on the manipulation of the vampire(s), with them misinterpreting the things it could do as miracles. The vampire clearly recognized that Monsignor was religious and kept him alive to try and reestablish the fanatical religion around itself, like it instantly went along with it all implying it's happened before but the show had no indication that a god even existed or had anything to do with it as they explained what the vampire was doing to the people. I don't think it was an angel in the religious sense, it doesn't do anything the show doesn't explain as scientific or akin to a virus or parasite. I think the entire premise is basically the snowball effect of fanatic belief and blind faith starting from the Monsignor and spreading just like the vampire virus not letting people see reality or how unbelievably hypocritical and evil they had become.
I get what you're saying, but there is often a fallacy that Science is supposed to be seperate from Religion. Just because we understand doesn't eliminate religious elements. I do agree that people may have run with the wrong idea about them
@@triplemoyagames4195 I'm saying, in the context of the show, the entire premise kind of revolves around the idea that everyone involved is dictating everything based on god but there is no evidence of anything godly or miraculous happening. Their blind faith let's them just make up a reason why anything they can't explain or any evil act they do is justified when we see that actually, it's just manipulation and self delusion caused by a thing that they are showing us is not a god, it's basically just a predatory animal with their beliefs being put onto it because it "looks like an angel" when no one actually even knows what an angel would look like, especially biblical angels. The whole show is constantly pushing the fact that everything is screwed up because these people are so invested that they are blinding themselves to the facts. It actually being an angel or magical in some way, would undermine the whole point of the series. No one can say angels do or don't exist but this thing is not an angel and it should always be questioned.
@@mismismism That would make more sense. In the context of tthe setting of the story. As I am sure if this creature's existence got out, it would be questioned 100% by the religious community lol
@@triplemoyagames4195 I just mean within the context of the show, it seemed like they were making it like the town was just accepting everything as miracles and not questioning while we as the audience were seeing the full picture and seeing that the thing was basically just a predatory beast witha disease or parasite, kinda like that parasite that lives in cats, infects mice and makes them not scared of cats so they get eaten. If the vampire is actually an angel then it kinda breaks the whole premise. I just don't want it mistaken as me saying god or angels aren't a thing in that universe or dragging religion, it's just my opinion for this concept because it's making a point against blind faith and extremism, not religion in general.
Well consumption of blood does make vampires younger and younger looking. That's a fact. So if it can do that for them and it does, when they consume blood, Clearly the blood has miraculous powers in it for them and others.jesus who IS a vampire. Did these same miracles on people and I would bet just as they show in this movie. By having the church attendees consuming vampire blood on a regular basis. And Walla! There u go.
I’m a Christian and whether you’re religious or not, this is an AMAZING SHOW. the quality, writing, the ideas and the dialogue all so good. Mike Flanagan does not miss.
same here bro. This show actually is a great example of Faith based Horror
while i am not anymore, I used to be religious, and oh my god religious horror chills me to my core. it freaks me out more than ANYTHING
Angels were terrifying to look at. They had to request people to not be afraid of them
Be ye not afraid
wasnt that because people couldn't undestand what they were seeing?
My two-cents: The Creature is a vampire that inspired the myth of angels. Monsignor Pruitt discovered the Creature in ruins buried beneath the sands of Jerusalem, where it could've been trapped for centuries. The Creature spared Pruitt only after it heard his prayers, which seems to imply it knew of Pruitt's Christian faith. I'd further speculate it not only knew about Christendom but also played a hand in its founding. The Creature weaponized Monsignor Pruitt's faith as it's likely done many times before. Pruitt was just its most recent disciple (and hopefully last).
I don't know why but if it knew of the Christian faith would it be a stretch assume, this is Judas? His eternal punishment for betraying god and instead of dying he became that.
The show went way over your head
@@Wonderwhoopin i hate people like you, unless you have proof that the writer said otherwise you're just being a know it all. Whats your take on the show? Tell me so i can call it stupid no matter what it is.
Kind of a stretch given that no one would think an Angel from Heaven literally burns in sunlight. Everything else could be plausible but that is clearly a problem.
I agree, seems like the most likely scenario
I agree: it's a Fallen Angel. It lived without blood in the cave since it was immortal and only fed because it wanted, not needed to. The townspeople are the ones who become vampire, after they die while having drank the blood of the angel
Before watching midnight mass I had been reading about the nephalim from the book of Enoch. The children of angels and human women, they were giants who drank blood and devoured everything in their path, including eventually each other from their hunger. I think that's what the "angel" was
that makes sense. it would also give another good explanation or why erin's baby disappeared: it wasn't an "angel" baby, so the blood simply did away with it, seeing it as a foreign parasite.
Yes perfect example,
The book of Enoch is not considered Canon.
In Dracula 2000, the vamp was Judas, living out the curse played upon him when he betrayed Jesus. I thought that was an interesting take on vampire lore. Great video, btw!
The pacing and mystery of this series was one of my favorites, and some of the acting is phenomenal, tear jerking
Midnight Mass was a great change of pace and I thought this is one of the best vampire stories that isn’t so cliche but makes u think about it after. It has some major Stephen King vibes too. I’m pretty convinced now that this creature is indeed a fallen angel, perhaps the last one. I mean what if there was another one that turned Dracula or perhaps was turned by a follower of this very same angel that had lived for centuries. Might be a cool prequel idea
I really feel like mike Flanagan has made some sort of comment pointing to Stephen king and his work either being an influence if not then maybe just something he enjoyed . At any rate , his three Netflix series consistently has SK vibes and this one is no different.
I think you are spot on, and figured much the same when I saw the show: the creature design being so close to the imagery of fallen angels, the fact that it was found in the Holy Land, how it responded to the word angel and was seemingly into wearing the vestments and appearing to the congregation, etc. It seems more thematically consistent if it is a fallen angel, rather than "just" a vampire. But as you noted, the origin of vampires varies greatly from story to story, so maybe the real answer is: it's both.
As for the doctor's porphyria explanation, I figured that was just our limited science grasping at the tiniest fraction of the truth. I mean, who is to say that angels - or what our civilization came to call angels - don't have some sort of recognizable cellular structure, even if the specifics are far beyond our understanding? I know not everybody cares for that sort of blurred line between science and the supernatural, but I really liked that aspect of the story.
Your theory makes a lot of sense. Every time an angel shows up they utter the phrase "Be not afraid." A more accurate translation could be "Please stop screaming it hurts my ears"
I think the show itself ultimately doesn't care what the "angel" is. It cares about individual people coming to terms with death, faith and their place in the world.
The creature works equally well as an unknown species or mutant as it does as a clever vampire or fallen angel. It never tells us its perspective, we only have speculation from human characters, which makes the creature all the more mysterious, terrifying and, in some senses, horribly divine.
The creature seems very cunning, it can choose its prey, it may be able to communicate mentally, it can certainly understand and use gestures and echo voices. It may have manipulated the priest, it certainly abetted him and was angry when he was harmed.
It also shows animalistic behaviours. It shrieks when angry, it does not contain its hungers even when they arouse suspicion, crucially it becomes so absorbed in feeding that it can be shot or stabbed and hardly notices or cares. If the creature does burn up in the sun, it is because instincts blinded it to the harm Erin was inflicting on it. Fire, the bane of beasts, does hurt or frighten it though.
This suggests a different species enthralled to instinct as much as to intelligence. But could also mean a vampire so ancient that it has lost human thought patterns or even common sense. This doesn't sound much like a demon or fallen angel, who are often depicted as being at least as wise and intelligent as humans. But perhaps even an angel could be altered by a curse over time. It might also be alien to us because angels and demons simply aren't human. The lack of interest in outside interference when feeding might possibly be explained as sheer arrogance - it doesn't think anyone can really harm it.
Again, I think the very fact that multiple conclusions could be drawn about the creature goes to the heart of the show, which presents multiple views on life, death and the afterlife. (Though I think the writers / show-runners probably favour Erin's point of view.)
Two things I'd like to add
1) The blood didn't make father Paul convulse, it was because he ingested rat poison.
2) About how it comunicates and if it influences people, it is mentioned a couple of times that those that are fully changed hear the angel's voice inside their head giving them instructions and they are encouraged to obey
My own personal take, I believe it was a vampire, the priest was senile and he made sense of what he saw based on his belief as did the islanders .
Wait, when did he ingest rat poison? Cus if that’s true, then that completely changes a LOT of the story.
@@theguileraven7014 He was poisoned by Bev that is how he die, he then resurrected as a vampire.
@@jenniferortiztoro220 When was this actually shown? Why would Bev poison him? She was his primary follower at the time?
Yeah. What I took away from the show was the twisting of one’s faith. The vampire fit nicely into his beliefs and used them against him. Fantastic show.
@@theguileraven7014 it doesn't change ANY of the story YOU just misinterpreted the story to begin with.
Great video! One thing I would disagree with is that the Angel was only enjoying the blood. I think it was part of its punishment: being overwhelmed by the lust for blood so much, it is not bothered with people shooting at him or even cutting his wings. Succumbing to one of the seven deadly sins is certainly a fitting punishment for an angel which driven by its own ego and selfishness challenged God.
Fallen angel was my impression throughout, but I was struck by its limitations and how it doesn’t vibe with the War in Heaven. The first problem is that it wasn’t physically impressive and was very susceptible to physical harm, seeming mundane despite it’s longevity. Maybe it was of a species older than humanity with only a few remnants left. Maybe it was a fallen angel that was extremely weak after long imprisonment and he was setting the town up to drain them after trapping them there as easy pickings after the curse. I wish it were better explained.
Secondly, fallen angels were sent to Hell in huge numbers, and after the Nephilim debacle and flood, God restricted all interactions in the mortal world. A fallen angel shouldn’t be lingering in some cave, as both God and Satan would have taken note. After consideration it makes more scriptural sense that the “angel” could have been a Nephilim that survived the flood within the cave and had been there since, or maybe Cain and the curse is his mark.
I’m left uncertain. It’s really too bad the creators won’t expand on the show. I’m a horror aficionado and this production touched all of the right bases. I just wish I understood it.
Maybe the millennia long imprisonment really messed him up, the isolation deteriorated his mind making him almost a feral beast, and the lack of nourishment made him unable to access even a fraction of his actual power. Probably if he didn't soend the last 2 millennia rotting in a necropolis he would be similar in abilities to the vampires from Ann Rice's chronicles of the vampires.
All of that relies on your own head canon. Show is someone else's head canon.
i somewhat agree, but maybe angels being cast out of heaven lose a magnitude of it's power not being on God's side anymore. Keep in mind, Angels can walk both at night and in day, and this one cant, meaning it possesses powers much greater than this creature. Might explain why it seems weaker than what the bible interpretation of angels are like.
Not all fallen angels were warriors who fought, some waited to see who won and they were thrown out just the same as they were cowards
@7:19 when you rewatch it you realise that the convulsion isn't about the resurrection but it's caused by the poison. When Monsignor Pruitt dies and comes back it's actually because Bev poisons him as a way to force him to admit the secret to at least the mayor and his wife. Before that point he was still able to walk in the sun, which is how they learnt that everyone had to die to fully complete the change. She literally went on a limb thinking he was like Jesus and would resurrect, inadvertently causing the final events.
I did not notice her poisoning him. Will have to look carefully on a rewatch. Makes sense, though. She did take the poison and used it on the dog.
So the stupidest thing about the show is that, apparently, no, Bev did not poison Pruitt. That really was Pruitt dying from the vampire blood. Why is this stupid? Because you're right, there are so many clues that Bev did poison him. And the way the episode is filmed implies that she poisoned him
@@carlycrays2831What do you mean apparently? What's your source?
A vampire for sure. It used the father’s religion against him and that was the beauty of his plan.
I mean fallen angel makes more sense. But also religion being a organization has basically turned it into a religion of vampires who suck the hope out of others for the power and life of "god" not really vampires in this show but like the idea of them or like a succubus and incubus thing
@@gwc6953 thats how I took it. Or maybe that this creature was living and some religious folks took it as a representation of an angel on Earth
@@gwc6953 maybe it could be a fallen angel. But its definitely nothing holy. I also wouldnt say it makes more sense because there is no proof angels even exist in the world of midnight mass.
Yeah nah it was a vampire 100%
Idk man I'm sold on it being a demon, creating vampire spawn
My buddy who played the monster is an awesome monster actor and I’m so happy to see how well he did
What I never understood is why the vampire in midnight mass wanted to make so many more vampires. That's more competition for food for the original vampire. I could see it wanting a few more vampires but not a whole town full. It would be difficult to control that many vampires. That also puts him at higher risk for the rest of the world to know of his existence if some of the other vampires are discovered. Once his existence is discovered he could be hunted.
To be honest I think this vampire was just a force of nature poisoning anything in his wake not really caring about the consequences. This man was biting on erins neck while she was clipping his wings and he just let it happen. This vampire is actually an idiot who just Does things and not the master manipulator some people think. Paul and Bev were the manipulators
Maybe it an impulse control of the vampire virus.. it adds a desire and removes inhibitions to control that desire.
@@Flipitmixit i think paul was more a true believer than an malicious manipulator, he wanted everyone to be healthy again and actually care for them. Bev on the other hand was an angry lady who was mad that god could love anyone who wasnt her.
To be fair, there are lots of stories where vampires want to make a whole bunch of other vampires (or even turn the entire human race into vampires) and they don't make much sense for those same reasons either. At least this one is "only" transforming a town.
it didnt. it ate cats for the majority of the series. It was Bev and Pruitt that want all the followers and crap.
I'm not usually much of a vampire movie viewer. I Binge watched this series in just a few days. Not because of the impending horror, but because of the well defined characters. So much of the series focused on the church and what the priest was telling his parish that it was tough to turn away. Very well done show. Good writing is so rare, so I was happy to find this by accident.
It could be a fallen angel/demon. It’s smart and disciplined enough to know when to hang back. When the storm unburies it, it could have immediately gone back to Jerusalem and started feeding but it didn’t feel like it. When the priest came into its cave, it was going to kill him to keep its secret. But when it realized he was religious, it knew it could have a little fun. So it agrees to cloak itself and fly to the island with the assumption that it could torment the island.
Its a vamp watch underworld movie vamp vs werewolves
@@jasminkrieger8464 not sure what you mean, but it’s smarter than an animal and not fueled by hunger. It seems to enjoy bastardizing religion. The scene where it gleefully enters the church dressed in religious garb proves this.
@@Zikomo7 watch underworld movie sons of corvenius one bitten by a bat the other by a wolf
@@Zikomo7 and compare this here is defently a vamp
@@Zikomo7 this Type of vamp blade would hunt
The most interesting thing about this vampire was the feeling that he needed Pruitt as much as Pruitt needed him...This creature may have not fed in centuries until Pruitt wandered in, who knows? I loved this dynamic. Like why would this creature only follow Pruitt back across the world? For whatever motive, he needed Pruitt.
I recently four your channel and omg I’m binging all of your videos. I love vampires and love that your content has a focus on vampires in our modern media🧛♂️
Here's a theory: the creature is Lazarus. Maybe once J.C. did his thing, he came back...different. The cave was actually his original tomb, perhaps.
so you suggest it wasn't miracle but necromancy?
Maybe it is Lazarus and Jesus brought him back from the dead because J.C. was a vampire?
Great theory, I was thinking that myself, I made a comment a few minutes ago with similar.
No.
That doesn't fit the biblical narrative of resurrections. When you are resurrected you come back exactly who you are/were, not something different or "other". So any ideas that Lazarus came back as a vampire is just made up, not based on anything else.
Well the Priest was senile. So maybe the vampire influenced his mind. Cause I'm sure most people would assume it's a demon.
I think priest already was quite fucked up in mind before that.
"It's not an angel, but a fallen angel, or possibly an angel of death" So an angel...
Great cast/performances compelling story. I didn’t want it to end 😭🔥🔥🔥🔥
It was a Vampire, but not just *ANY* Vampire - Much like with Demons, there are, call them, "Positions of Authority," for lack of a better term. Given how powerful it was, even starved as it must have been, I would class it as a Vampire Lord. Most 'Lesser" vampires would have died from starvation - THIS one didn't. That alone suggests it's power.
Beyond that, there is a reason it responded to Pruitt's words - One can find them in the Old & New Testament: The Blood is The Life. (Which is probably why blood drinking is so proscribed, but that's for another discussion...)
That phrase says it all. The blood is the life.
I still think it's just a vampire, but you do propose an interesting hypothesis. As to why a handful didn't give in to the lust, I think it's just that their good people at heart. The transformation brings out the beast inside, so to speak, but there are some folks who genuinely have a good core. It's not that unusual in vampire stories to see someone hold off for a while, only to later give in as their humanity slow fades in comparison to the hunger. Very much an addiction allegory. In time I think they would have fed, but for then their morals were strong enough to let them control their hunger.
When he brought up angels and calling it a possible fallen angel, I knew what passages he was talking about whenever angels came to prophets and telling them to not be afraid. I do remember that the angels described as not looking in any way shape or form the same way the vampire looked lik.
man, it's nice to finally have a channel where you don't have to wonder whether or not VtM will be mentioned when it's relevant
very nice
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Coogs. Ur one of my favorite ppls. Really. I love these videos mane.
Azrael is actually the name. Idk where ozrael came from. Could be a variation I'm not familiar with. Azrael is the arch angel of death in cabbalistic belief
Azarel is the angel of death in both Jewish and Islamic beliefs
I read that as cannibalistic 🤦🏻♀️
I'd be very interested in what your take on the Vampires of Nosgoth is/would be. The Soul Reaver franchise has a lot of interesting takes on what it is to be a "Vampire"
the franchise is called 'legacy of kain'
@@namekman01 I've heard it referred to interchangeably between LoK and SR Franchises - I only chose to say SR over LoK because of the original Blood Omen which is canonically Kain, but technically not a "Legacy" Title, you know?
I havnt seen it but will definitely check it out! Thanks 🙏
I am not even sure that this thing is responsible for the angle myth. It is far more likely that it would be likely to be the original inspiration for demons! Seriously, the only reason people associated this thing with an angle is the words of a literally demented priest. Considering Jerusalem's long and BLOODY history its just as likely that this monster lived there for the easy hunting than it is for the religious significance and considering we don't know how common this species is, it was never confirmed if there is more than one, its just as likely that they are dotted across that entire continent in the remotest regions than it is that this priest found the ONLY one.
@@coganLollins It is one of the greatest game series ever made. Amy Hennig of Uncharted fame used to be in charge of the story line. I loved Blood Omen, but the first time I played Soul Reaver, that Intro had me hooked. Still my favorite Vampire saga ever.
Fallen angel or not, there is the viral aspect and there is the supernatural aspect: that Angel is the progenitor, the source of the infection and it's sole purpose is spreading it. Also, it can communicate, and possibly manipulate, those infected by it - as Pruit said, he could feel every death, every person affected by the "miracle", thus we can assume that the Angel could've had a better mastery and possibly even control, of that sense. This might explain the mimicry of the voice even. And most certainly that is how it "talked" to father Pruit.
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I have one weird suggestion for a video topic. This one's pretty out there, the Fangires from Kamen Rider Kiva- and probably by extension the Wolfen race of the same series.
The Fangies are vampiric creatures albeit different from the norm. Hopefully the source material of the creatures aren't too different since it's more of a superhero work aside from the usual video topic.
The producers said it's a vampire, my guess it started out as a human and was cursed by god thousands of years ago becoming a shadow of its former self. The sunlight weakness could also have a biblical explanation, in some cultures, the sun is a symbol for god.
This is the best explanation to Midnight Mass. Thank you for the video.
I just watched Midnight Mass with my Dad (his first viewing, my second) and he's a Pastor, a man of God one might say and he was terrified of the angel in this series. He said "I think it's the devil. The devil after all is often called the prince of darkness" hence why this angel can't go into sunlight. This and the theories presented in this video makes sense because in most vampire stories they are repelled by holy objects or walking into a house of God. So it makes sense this would be the devil or a demon (though I'm going with my Dad's theory) since they were once angels.
Demon makes the most sense to me from what I've seen in this video. In most vampire origins they are the result of 1demons themselves, 2the nephilim (spawn of fallen angels and humans), 3 people under the influence or possessed by demons who commit suicide or die in an unrepentant state ( like Judas in some stories. Or Cain being cursed for killing his brother Able)
A bit late, I know, but mind telling what your dad thought of how the monsignor and religious people in general are depicted?
Yeah but remember the scene that showed the monsenior’s hand was bleeding while holding the cross? That’s another direct implication that the creature was a vampire.
The Devil is not called the prince on darkness, that is a man made term. He is THE angel of light, and will forever be. The creature presented in that video was a fallen angel, nothing more nothing less. Man has a bad habit of just automatically calling anything" dark " the devil and anything " light " of God. By that logic, the devil is God, angel of light and all. So no, it is not the devil and hypochristians, especially pastors need a deeper education and understanding of the bible & all the mysteries it contains instead of throwing all things dark and evil at the devil. God did say that HE created the peace and makes the evil, keep that in mind. So who is the bad guy really, in the end? Vampires are not repelled by holy objects, that is also something that is man made, again, men have twisted, added to and taken away from so many myths. The bible states that man shall not add not take away from the word of " god ". Even if you consider it the word of " god " man has had way too much of an influence on it, tweaking it for personal and political gain. Take the KJV for example, few people know that King James was a raging bisexual pedophile who removed so many things from the bible and rewrote numerous passages and words to fit HIS narrative. In the end, the great mysteries of the universe and even the vaunted scholars of the world will never understand the mysteries behind divinity and damnation. The fun part is learning about it little by little along the way. Do not be scared of what you do not know or don't understand, embrace it, explore it. Knowledge is invaluable.
Satan can't go into daylight? That's a new one.
I loved the part when the priest turned on the lighter and right in front of him was the vampire shouting "its morbin time"
Genetically Modified Skeptic makes a good argument that the angel is an analogy for religious extremism, and that is how I interpret the angel. Further, there are a few points worth making. First, I agree that this version of vampirism is partially biological, and partly supernatural. We see Riley getting genuine prophetic visions of the bloodied church, which are implied to be sent by God; it is Riley's act of selfless sacrifice that tips the scales of fate just enough to stop the angel. Had he not done so, the angel would have won, as not even Erin believed his story of being turned until he burst into flames at sunrise. So there is definitely a pinch of implied divine intervention going on.
Throughout the show, Father Paul explains that the angel can communicate telepathically with those who have drank the angel's blood. As he releases Riley, he makes the remark that over time, the angel's "voice" grows stronger over time and its thoughts become his thoughts. I assume that the end product here would be people incapable of resisting the angel's influence. This turns the whole ordeal into a nearly apocalyptic disease outbreak. Had the angel's curse spread to the mainland, it really would have been the end of humanity as we know it.
So yes, I think ultimately that the angel was a fallen angel.
Vampires in general are great story vehicles for comparing anything in real life and turning it into a vampire story where the vampire could be a hero and the bloodlust can be sort of becoming what you're supposed to be or dealing with addiction to drugs by being all powerful fast don't age it was done very good in The Vampire Diaries in my opinion this is a whole new level though I like when they go a route of totally leaving out how or what turned this thing into what it is because most vampire stories are either God made the first vampire or a witch or some kind of Supernatural being created the first vampires like in The Vampire Diaries True Blood did the Lilith being the first vampire aka the first demon
@@666hellviewlane It is hard to ignore the parallels. Drains life from others to feed itself in a parasitic manner? Check. Promises immediate power at the expense of human morality? Check. It is really a who's who of the classic vices. Pride, gluttony, lust, wrath, sloth, etc.
This actually makes a lot of sense. Riley abandons his faith after the accident and is haunted every night, but he starts having visions of himself on the boat, something that does happen and where he sees the same girl he killed 4 years prior, except she's normal and happy (them being in heaven possibly? As a reward for Riley, for passing God's test and halting the fallen angel's plan)
@@sthlng2180 I really think that is the case. From the first episode, Riley is haunted not by a ghost, but by his own guilt for having killed someone. He served his time, he paid his fine, but Riley still is haunted. Then in the boat with the sunrise, he sees the girl for the first time not in a dream, but before his very eyes. And she looks at him with warmth, taking his hand in forgiveness. This is clearly not a dream, but seemingly not on Earth, either.
So yes, I think Riley died instantly from the sun, and we see him in the boat, being raised up to what is clearly an implication that Riley went to some form of Heaven. And judging from the girl's smile and caring look, she has forgiven him, finally allowing Riley to forgive himself.
I liked this. The biblical description of angels are terrifying, not vampiric, but terrifying, angels are the militant wing of heaven, makes sense they'd be scary.
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I'm sold on it being a Demon, its resulting spawn could be considered vampires tho. Just not the science-y genetics type the antediluvian-curse type.
This was one of the greatest "vampire series ever, much less one of the best series on netflix.
The show wouldnt have been nearly as good without the actor Hamish as the Priest. He is one of my favorite actors. Hes good in everything ive seen him play in, I especially enjoyed watching his role in legion. Hes pretty diverse, in legion hes more reserved and calculated where in midnight mass he was more frantic and maniacal. Hes been really sucessful in the roles he has gotten but I feel he is really under rated and under used in hollywood and I hope that changes.
When they said people were terrified when they’ve seen an angel, it was probably refering to very early depictions of angels, as flying objects with eyes surrounded by wings
I just found your channel and liked how you explained this.
I love these videos ugh. We need more vampire shows and movies!!!! Theres so much to do with vampires. Have you ever did twilight vampires? I went through your videos and I didnt see any.
Based on the geographical & historical mythos aspects, it's more than likely that the creature is a "goul/ghoul." This is especially strong with the creature live in cave across deserts that hidden in the storm. Exactly the general description of ghoul in Arabian literature. Yes, all the vampiric Europen creatures also based on Middle Eastern ghoul mythos.
Sometimes, ghoul could also be categorized to "djinn" & it does make sense in religious aspects for Abrahamic religions as Christians demons/fallen angels are what djinns are to Islamic mythos. In this aspects, it make sense how the djinn/creature able to grant people healing power or even immortality, also have some seemingly deceptive supernatural powers. Of course those perks comes with "heavy prices."
"All vampirics creatures" aren't based on Middle Eastern myths, the modern vampire takes inspiration from myths and folklore that's developed independently all across the world, like i really doubt some Polish farmers scared of Strigas were very well versed in Arab folklore
Vlad tepesh would like to have word, sit on this pole.
@@wittyjoker4631 Vlad Tepesh was from Turkey which is the middle east and at the time was being attacked by the Moors so he could have heard the stories
@@JoelPit folkloric stories have nothing to do with what Vlad Tepesh was doing though, he WAS the inspiration he literally just impaled people (also he was from Romania, he was just in a war with the Ottoman Turks)
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What makes me so sad is the one who I thought was evil (the priest) turned out to be the most honest, humanitarian one of all. And he basically did all of this for his loved ones 😭 his senile and pure mind genuinely thought he had found an angel. So sad.
't was a strange twist to me as well
I assumed it was a vampire, but the implications of that to me wasn't that this one priest had mistaken a vampire for an angel, but that angel's aren't real, and every Christian angel was in fact a vampire from the beginning to now. Hense the blood drinking rituals and obsession with resurrection.
I can see your theory here. You make a great argument with a strong point, however I'm choosing to still view the series as a more elaborate vampire story for the sole reason that the majority of viewers will never be able to connect those dots and therefore not be able to imagine more than what the series only shows. Great video though man. It was very entertaining and thought provoking.
This was actually a really great series. It took vampirism on a realistic spin and using Christianity, it manipulated and used the people of the island. It was believable that people would fall prey to something smarter than them.
@Cogan Lollins interesting take. Thank you for the clip.
I think the vampire kept the Priest alive because it saw him as a way out of his prison. Mostly likely the vampire was trapped in the dessert because obviously there isn't much shade in the dessert for hundreds of miles. Also, at the end about 30 min before dawn the vampire flew off with damaged wings trying to fly to the mainland 30 miles away did leave a possible sequel.
Vampire is really more of a descriptor, it's entirely possible for it to be both a fallen angel with vampiric abilities.
Maybe? It could also just be a vampire that isn’t repulsed by holy ground or holy objects
I've been deep diving into biblical text lately (my husband has been a little worried about me since I have never put much stock in the Bible) and the descriptions of angels are quite horrifying. The wings, we all expected, but the tons of eyes, or multiple faces. You're right, in this story, the angel and vampire are definitely one and the same.
@@jenerin905 Yeah, biblical angels are shapeshifters and utterly terrifying entities. If you've seen the ban on ever trying to depict God in any form it's the same reason, trying to envision God is blasphemy because succeeding would be so much worse for you.
Since you mentioned Vampire: the Masquerade, I feel like adding something there: in VTM there is a church of Vampires who see their kind as angels of death, blessed by god to end the suffering of humans who are living in hell-on-earth.
This movie feels like it was either the inspiration for or inspired by the Church of Caine, depending on release dates.
What’s VTM?
@@plinyelder8156 VTM is a like dungeons and dragons but it focus on different types of vampires and werewolves it also has PC game but it’s pretty old.
I enjoyed this very much, would really like to see more of this story.
The part of the show where it shows Riley's parents being able to contain themselves and not attack others shows their true beliefs/morals, I think it's pretty open and clear what's going on.. They're genuinely good people who are not turned into monsters because they don't have "bad blood" and yes it was hard not to make that pun haha. But I believe that his parents and the child of the sheriff were not attacking others because they were "pure" and knew better, at their core, and that they wouldn't just give in to temptation. I think that is really shown well in the show, the fact that it's not easy to know others true selves, and that nothing makes you a monster, it can only shed light on those bad parts that you have, and bring it out of you. It's not making them violent, it's just loosening their inhibitions and letting them feel as if it's okay because "god" or an "angel" gave them permission. Says a lot about addiction and true, deeply held morals, or the lack there of.
I had to read into the themes of this show for a class and two of the main ideas that stuck out was the dilemma of choosing love or faith, and faith giving permission to act unethically. This actually ties into that so well, that the ones who attack people are doing it because since their faith told them it’s okay, while the Flynn’s and Ali know it wrong whether or not that Faith says it’s okay. Although it could also be about the strength of the temptation, Riley tried to attack Bev when she was close by. Maybe Ali and the Flynn’s just were never close enough to a person for their hunger to get the best of them.
I thought I was the only person still talking about this show. Halloween coming up and ima re watch it! It was SOOOO GOOD!! I’ve been trying to get people to watch this! Also, I do NOT want a second season! Please No. It was good how it was!
I think the "fallen angel" theory is right, but I also think it's a vampire, in otherwords vampires are from fallen angels.
Thank you so very much for the video.
13:31 "Rather than this being an angel, angels might have been based on encounters with vampires". I don't even know where to begin...
Also, fallen angels are still angels... you can tell by their name.
Apart from the random madness, really enjoyed the video :)
I was definitely skeptical up until you said it could be a Fallen Angel. Really have me thinking "Damn could be"
The idea that it is a fallen angel is very interesting, and I can absolutely see it being the case.
One of the best one off shows I have seen, hopefully we can get another from the director
Watched the series twice already, one of the best.
In the book of Enoch, the Watchers came down to earth to take mortal wives. Afterward, they were damned forced to watch their children kill one another, then they were buried in the desert. This may have been one of those watchers unearthed.
This is very interesting, what chapter is this in if you recall?
@@princeali4411 Read all the book of Enoch or listen to an audio book on CZcams.
It's a wealth of information and there's a good reason the catholic church removed The Book of Enoch and many others from the original Bible.
@@kreevisful the book of enoch is catholic monk fanfic . Why do you anglo saxon fools lie about everything you touch weather it be Christianity or Ireland. Thousands of copies of the original bible exist in north and east africa .
@@princeali4411 enoch isn’t canon bruv .
@@rulerofkripsy9143 *Cool, story bro.*
Go read more.
I was hoping it would look like a biblically accurate angel and use like a butterfly mouth to drink blood
Biblically accurate how? As described in the Bible or Renaissance interpretation of angels? I never quite understood the proboscis vampire mouth. Where did that start from? Any ideas?
@@jenerin905 the highest level of angels in the Bible look like weird bird bugs with a bunch of eyes and 6 wings the low level angels look like people or try to hide their true appearance and appear human for humans to not be scared when they appear with a sound and brightness of lightning
I'm gutted there's no second series, loved it
Love the video, I just watched the Day Shift on Netflix hope you could do a video about the Vampires there
I strongly hope there is no season two: this show is so good I wouldn't want it to be potentially spoiled for me by any sequel.
It's either a fallen angel (demon), a creature created by a demon or just some high level vampire that has managed to sustain itself for a very long time.
I BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO GO OVER THE DETAILS IN THIS SHOW
I swear I almost yelled "IT'S A FUCKING VAMPIRE" at the screen multiple times
I LOVE these theories about fallen angels and demons. Biblical stuff portrayed in movies and media in general is my fav genre easily!
You should listen to Broken Messiah on Mrcreepypasta channel or Hellbound
I assumed Riley's parents and Ali didn't give in to the urge because they're good people, it's not that they're "different" from the rest is just that they realize killing people is bad; Mildred didn't kill anyone either
The people insisting the vampire creatture was litterally an angel or devil or demon missed the point of the show. Listen to Erin's dying monologue in the end.
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Angels are depicted in the Bible, and many other writings, as looking many different ways. Ophanim are wheels of light and cherubim three headed six winged beings.
Yes. However, none of them can be freaking vanquished by a little bit of sunlight!
The idea of fallen angels being the same thing as vampires is a cool idea and I understand it is a theory in the book trilogy “the strain“. However, they are more dangerous, they are not gargoyle bat people who have to rely on some patsy to drag them around in a suitcase.
I just think we have to believe that this story takes place in a universe where people don’t know about vampires. Since this thing gives the priest youth and immortality, of a type, he wants to believe it is an angel. You’d think he would think it was a Demon
Thank God I found a comment that actually makes sense. All these other commentors doesn't know much at all.
Agreed, it's definitely a vampire. I think a lot of vampires in vampire lore don't actually die from not drinking blood, but I think it was very weak that's why it needed Pruitt at the start and didn't just fly from the cave.
For Vampires I think Legacy of Kain/Soul reaver games are great and have a nice take on Vampire lore. For non Vampire why not cover The Ring american or japanese. Love the vids keep them coming :)
Dracula 2000 was the first time (I was a teen) I had ever heard the Judas/Vampire connection, and linking vampire lore to the Bible only makes sense because of the vampire weaknesses (crosses, silver, holy water).
I agree on the Ring! I had a love/hate relationship with that movie when it came out! That TV scene creeped the hell out of me, but the movies were so good.
Dude you know your vampire lore dropping Vampire the Masquerade and Strain! You're definitely a fan.
I like how in Legacy of Kain, the original Vampires are as described by Janos Audron, as "Divine". Angelic wings and all that.
But then they were cursed with bloodlust. The curse they pass on however worsens on their 'children' so to say, making them look more 'demonic'.
And while none of them ever grew wings after that, the right-hand that Kain sired, Raziel did grow wings. And his wings were demonic, featherless.
It's an interesting juxtaposition.
Also fits with the original intent for Soul Reaver when it was called a different name, being a story of an angel cast out of heaven climbing it's way back up.
In Soul Reaver, Raziel is cast out of Kain's empire left for dead and he crawls his way back from the abyss to get his revenge.
So if I were to build upon your theory; Yes it could had been an angel. Yes it could had been cast out of heaven when it lost. Yes there could be more.
Having been cast out, they are also cursed and twisted to look like that. And their curse, is the traditional traits of Vampires we know.
Which in this universe ( _Midnight Mass_ ) is what people associate with "miracles" as well as "vampirism".
I think a lot of people are getting hung up on naming the creature as one or the other, when it could be all of the choices. The creature could be the or one of the originators of all the mythologies for vampires, angels, demons, etc. -- each of the names of these supernatural beings being different branches from the same root tree. The debate among those who wish to categorize it as originally one or the other may be moot. It is each of them and all of them are it -- a kind of synecdoche.
That said about its official nomenclature -- discussion about if it is a historical or mythological figure, or if it gave rise through itself or its actions to those figures, is an ongoing & interesting debate, as well as the confirmation of its origin -- though I doubt we'll ever know unless told by the author (and I really don't think they probably had a concrete definition of that either).
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@@senju31 awesome possum 😁😎👍🏻 happy to have hopefully helped! 🐧