KILGORE - Week Of! Part 1 - Killer Instinct 2017 Online Matches

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  • @TheRogueWolf
    @TheRogueWolf Před 7 lety +220

    34 hits, 13% damage.
    Maybe Kilgore was originally designed for agricultural work, as a cherry tapper.

    • @gamefreakazoid7
      @gamefreakazoid7 Před 7 lety +23

      Or maybe a pea farmer to arm his pea shooters.

    • @Blossora
      @Blossora Před 7 lety +20

      max did a 47 hit godlike combo for only 6% damage the other day.

    • @tatarilives8887
      @tatarilives8887 Před 7 lety

      Kilgore really is the Dan (pre SF4) of Killer Instinct, isn't he?

    • @KeN_The_SaMuRaii
      @KeN_The_SaMuRaii Před 7 lety

      Blossora Stop lying smh

    • @Blossora
      @Blossora Před 7 lety

      kentray Swagger stop lying that im lying smh

  • @orrannothprotpally
    @orrannothprotpally Před 7 lety +67

    "Ow my god damn robot face, holy shit"
    max - 2017

    • @ichor20
      @ichor20 Před 7 lety +3

      morgan gosey had me dieing

    • @DigitalsyrupCa
      @DigitalsyrupCa Před 7 lety +1

      I KNOW RIGHT. Needs to be on a tshirt.

    • @solaire2271
      @solaire2271 Před 7 lety +1

      morgan gosey 9:30
      I'm not going to get over that! XD

  • @espurrseyes42
    @espurrseyes42 Před 7 lety +80

    16:25
    Welcome to Kilgore mirrors, where Kilgore has a hard time doing what his name would imply he's good at: killing things and creating gore. He can't even do the 2nd one because their both robots.

    • @MonkeySharkPro
      @MonkeySharkPro Před 7 lety +24

      Don't forget his mortal nemesis: doors.

    • @espurrseyes42
      @espurrseyes42 Před 7 lety +12

      MonkeySharkPro
      Worst match up in the game. Door wins 9 times out of 10, and that 1 out of 10 times Kilgore wins is because he got pissed and shot the door up.

    • @spammerx3268
      @spammerx3268 Před 7 lety

      Denzel Rozier my fulgore kills

  • @KrisProwler
    @KrisProwler Před 7 lety +68

    You know, for a robot named "Kilgore", it seems really inept in its ability to cause damage...

    • @tbonevideos23
      @tbonevideos23 Před 7 lety +15

      KrisProwler Well we see the reason Kilgore got replaced by Fulgore

    • @SunnyDaking_
      @SunnyDaking_ Před 2 lety +2

      @EccleSoul Kilgore and fulgore remind me of the cyber ninjas they would have prototypes in the comics and then they would have the better versions like sektor, Cyrax, smoke, cyber subzero and Frost, and hydro

  • @x-hunterhunkdooms8715
    @x-hunterhunkdooms8715 Před 7 lety +58

    Nice to see another Character made by Ultratech

    • @tbonevideos23
      @tbonevideos23 Před 7 lety +17

      Asriel Dreemurr Wait are you being serious or sarcastic?
      cause isn't Riptor, Cinder, Fulgore, ARIA, and now Kilgore are all made by Ultratech in some form?

    • @tbonevideos23
      @tbonevideos23 Před 7 lety +2

      Angelo Forgue I was just asking a legitimate question
      with Killer Instincts reboot a lot of the story got changed

  • @Old-Boy_BEbop
    @Old-Boy_BEbop Před 7 lety +32

    i thoroughly enjoy this series despite not knowing wtf is going on...

    • @charlesr951
      @charlesr951 Před 7 lety

      Yup

    • @hector-m-carrillo
      @hector-m-carrillo Před 7 lety +11

      Logan it's rather simple
      there's 6 buttons, light/medium/heavy punch/kick
      do footsies, chip at each other
      eventually get a combo started (you can tell because there's a meter filing up on whoever side is doing the combo)
      If the victim recognizes the strength of the attack, they can press the punch/kick buttons of the same strength to counter the combo
      If they press the wrong strength, they get locked out (a red X with with L,M, or H in it, which depicts the actual strength of the attack)
      If they guessed at the wrong time (in between attacks), they get locked out (grey x with a L in the middle)
      shadow moves hit 5 times, if the defender can correctly time 3/5 breakers (strength doesn't matter), they also break the combo
      If the combo doer recognizes that he's about to be broken, he can break his own combo first to counter the other dude's counter (which either ends up with the combo being dropped or a counter breaker, depending on whether or not the opponent tried to break)
      the purpose of breaking the combo is that a combo doesn't really do much damage unless they do a proper ending move (called enders), so breaking a combo prevents an ender
      pretty much all you need to know as a spectator

    • @JavenarchX
      @JavenarchX Před 4 lety +1

      Gotta love KI

  • @lambda494
    @lambda494 Před 7 lety +17

    Wow, Fulgore finally has a Ken to his Ryu.

  • @muzzleflash2483
    @muzzleflash2483 Před 7 lety +6

    I just realized something.
    A long time ago during Max's Week of Fulgore, he was talking about a glitchy, defective Fulgore unit named Fuglore.
    What if Kilgore was made as a reference to Fuglore?

  • @protaeya
    @protaeya Před 7 lety +20

    I still main Fugbot but this Kilgore guy has got potential. I love how the DP is so limp because its combustion engine can barely heave that +200lb chassis of the ground yet it can somersault like a freaking boss.

  • @Craft2299
    @Craft2299 Před 7 lety +30

    From what I can understand, kilgore players need to abuse his overheated guns. You first want to overheat your guns on the opponent, then use them to burn the opponent. Everytime Max got a few hits on them with his overheated guns, the health bar suddenly brought down a good deal of white damage.

    • @bowserfriend
      @bowserfriend Před 4 lety +2

      he has a difficult time cashing in on that white damage when his miniguns only shoot twice when overheated, the only way for him to use more shots is when instinct is ready/shadow version ofthe gatling charge because it really locks him away from doing anything since the linker version of gatling charge does not shoot bullets

  • @Mekboy_ComputerMonster
    @Mekboy_ComputerMonster Před 7 lety +40

    Man, Johnny 5 is pissed.

    • @lambda494
      @lambda494 Před 7 lety

      *INPUT C-C-COMBO BREAKER*

    • @MisterCrim
      @MisterCrim Před 7 lety +8

      That's what happens when you try to disassemble.

    • @TheGundamDude8045
      @TheGundamDude8045 Před 7 lety +1

      Computer-Monster that poor aganos D:

  • @Netsaver
    @Netsaver Před 7 lety +30

    I think the reason why you're doing bad with Kilgore is you think of him as a character with two very different modes and from what I've seen Kilgore is not so much different modes as in he has certain states. THe best example I can think of to explain this is Robo-Ky he played very differently compared to most characters in Guilty Gear in that he too had an overheat function that increased his damage, though Kilgore, as far as I've seen anyways, overheat doesn't kill him unlike Robo-ky which will damage you eventually if you overheat too much. Anyway don't think of Kilgore as a keep away character but think of him as a footsies character who keeps opponents IN kilgores range not out of it. And like another person said Kilgore is a mid-range character not long or close range.

  • @zwithgol
    @zwithgol Před 7 lety +3

    11:38 can't. stop. replaying.

  • @92AJKdude
    @92AJKdude Před 7 lety +4

    So from what I can see, most of the time Kilgore is those hard characters that's even has a hard time against itself. I can see most people are gonna put Kilgore in the low tier.

  • @Mackoroni2
    @Mackoroni2 Před 7 lety

    That second match up with Aganos was one of the sickest moves ive seen in this game. Good stuff Max!

  • @5TailFox
    @5TailFox Před 7 lety +11

    Kilgore vs. Fulgore = Sentrybot vs. Assaultron
    He even overheats like one. 😄

  • @argenisgarcia5982
    @argenisgarcia5982 Před 7 lety +44

    Fulgore= Cyrax, Kilgore= Sektor.

    • @kR-qj7rw
      @kR-qj7rw Před 7 lety +1

      nah
      sektor =fulgore, they are the most powerful of the 4

    • @smokey3504
      @smokey3504 Před 7 lety +1

      Cyrax gets up close like fulgore and sektor zones like kilgore

    • @pickledparsleyparty
      @pickledparsleyparty Před 7 lety +1

      R.I.P Liberty Cyrax is a set-up character. Smoke is the one that gets in close.

    • @benlewis7246
      @benlewis7246 Před 7 lety

      I think you forget fulgore is a heavy keep away and rush down character were only his meter gain is meant to be a down side. Kilgore is just outdated but I like chain guns so he's awesome

  • @shatterednights
    @shatterednights Před 7 lety +2

    the end part of the video was just sick XD

  • @anewchallenger2825
    @anewchallenger2825 Před 7 lety +17

    I cant wait for Kilgore's Bastion Mod

  • @Argonisgema
    @Argonisgema Před 7 lety +59

    Is kilgore like the Dan Hibiki of killer instinct?

    • @Foundthottage
      @Foundthottage Před 7 lety +38

      Nah man, a rogue malfunctioning unit that even ultratech can't shut down despite being out of date & outclassed? Cool as heck, Dan doesn't have that. Gameplay-wise he's just low damage tbh

    • @Marisu_Prada
      @Marisu_Prada Před 4 lety

      At least Dan is funny

    • @JavenarchX
      @JavenarchX Před 4 lety +4

      Kilgore is fucken awesome....

    • @smokey3504
      @smokey3504 Před 3 lety +4

      He's essentially the joke character - which is sad because I think the concept could have been cool if they didn't intentionally make him ass. Kilgore is trying to juggle cool and silly, and it just doesn't really work

    • @DR3ADNOUGHT
      @DR3ADNOUGHT Před 3 lety +2

      @@smokey3504 wait, did they intentionally make him shitty? damn, he looks really cool for a low tier.

  • @MonkeySharkPro
    @MonkeySharkPro Před 7 lety +5

    Kilgore's worst matchup is doors.

  • @EdgePatrol
    @EdgePatrol Před 7 lety +1

    I really hoped they would put Chief Thunder's brother, Eagle, in the game, too. Obviously, in the story, he is turned into Fulgore, but it isn't uncommon for fighting games to offer a character as a choice despite the story claiming they're dead/turned into a cyborg. Kilgore seems really fun, but it also seems like he doesn't have much damage output. Hopefully they fix that.

  • @cylos_mx8524
    @cylos_mx8524 Před 7 lety +2

    man i was so focused in the beginning when we fought but i lost it in the end DAMN but there will be a next time !! uhhhhh need to work on my aganos 8:07

  • @Blix11
    @Blix11 Před 7 lety +1

    2:37 That is why he is an updated version, Max. :D

  • @darksilver892
    @darksilver892 Před 7 lety +37

    seems like he came out nerfed to hell, Kilgore is gonna have to wait for a buff before he's really viable

    • @TheVentrexian
      @TheVentrexian Před 7 lety +5

      Knight Hero117 he's been out 2 days. nobody is playing him optimally in the slightest.

    • @TheVentrexian
      @TheVentrexian Před 7 lety +5

      MrTBSC no pro player is going to make a character look in 2 days. hes brand new. give it time and stop rushing to conclusions.

    • @FranBattery95
      @FranBattery95 Před 7 lety +12

      Dude.....Max did a fucking 5% GODLIKE COMBO
      5%.....godlike combo
      That's ludicrous. They went overboard on how little damage he does. It's not an issue of him beeing a low damage character, it's the fact he has a damage SO LOW it's a fucking struggle to play with. Remember release Omen? This is even worse

    • @smokey3504
      @smokey3504 Před 7 lety +3

      Im scared they're gonna buff him and accidently make him the most broken thing in the game

    • @TheVentrexian
      @TheVentrexian Před 7 lety

      Epic-Fran! the combo was full of things that do no damage, once you start incorporating things that due like his burn mechanic and missile enders then come talk to me about no damage. people are already finding 50%+ combos and unbreakables with him as of last night.

  • @TheExzian
    @TheExzian Před 7 lety

    Been waiting on some KI week of man awesome

  • @x-hunterhunkdooms8715
    @x-hunterhunkdooms8715 Před 7 lety

    That loop against Aganos was sick!

  • @TerdSmasher303
    @TerdSmasher303 Před 7 lety

    I love seeing/doing low-tier matches so much more then the others, they're so odd and quirky but relying on time outs are a no go for me. Those Killgore matches hahah

  • @Kenn9767
    @Kenn9767 Před 7 lety

    I been waiting for this

  • @dr_yeet9399
    @dr_yeet9399 Před 7 lety +1

    Kilgore vs Kilgore just seems to be who can land the most rockets on the other to then be able to do some sorta rushdown XD

  • @parsakondori
    @parsakondori Před 4 lety

    basic backstory: kilgore was the prototype of fulgore used by ultra tech. some glitch in his system made him rogue and ultra tech couldn’t shit him down so here he is.

  • @Siepher83
    @Siepher83 Před 7 lety +1

    9:30 is what I feel should happen when anyone gets hit with an Agganos punch. He's such a good big body character design wise, too.

  • @ThebossaruChamp
    @ThebossaruChamp Před 7 lety +59

    Kilgore's style is so good, but his power as a character is underwhelming. :/

    • @TheVentrexian
      @TheVentrexian Před 7 lety +6

      Kami his power as a character is nowhere near being tapped. been 2 days. give it a few months.

    • @ThebossaruChamp
      @ThebossaruChamp Před 7 lety +2

      Jason Orozco I watched the dev team play with him. He looks so shit. xD

    • @ThebossaruChamp
      @ThebossaruChamp Před 7 lety +1

      MopedOfJustice I'm skeptical of that claim. When I watched them play with Gargos and Eydol, those characters looked amazing. I don't feel the same with Kilgore.

    • @sonicdolphin117
      @sonicdolphin117 Před 7 lety +3

      Kilgore has the more "simple but effective" approach. He's not meant to be a character of spectacle.

    • @ThebossaruChamp
      @ThebossaruChamp Před 7 lety

      SonicDolphin117's Channel He's also just not very good xP

  • @apopoaking465
    @apopoaking465 Před 7 lety +1

    yeaah!! week of kilgore

  • @MrRuner45
    @MrRuner45 Před 7 lety +1

    I don't know what exactly happened... but Kilgore has gotten really good as of late! He does... decent damage... but somehow he performs quite well right now!

  • @KCruzer
    @KCruzer Před 7 lety

    Oh Snap, It's a Robot Bar Fight!

  • @Iqzzy-KO
    @Iqzzy-KO Před 7 lety

    Wassup Max? Good matches bro!

  • @demonchicken1986
    @demonchicken1986 Před 7 lety +4

    reminds me of the robots from streets of rage 2

  • @RotaAbyssian
    @RotaAbyssian Před 7 lety +1

    Seems like Kilgore is the Dan of KI

  • @ganon_t99
    @ganon_t99 Před 5 lety

    Kilgore is mah favorite!!

  • @CleverDan31
    @CleverDan31 Před 7 lety

    You'd think Max would know when Fulgore is gonna throw out shadow moves, but he has a hard enough time managing his own meter.

  • @willslocombe15
    @willslocombe15 Před 7 lety

    Hey Max, if there are any new characters added in this in between season 4/ new game in the future, do you think there might be completely new original characters, or more characters like Kilgore, kinda like a shadow Fulgore? Thanks for making all these videos, you're the best, dood.

  • @sir.jinzu9426
    @sir.jinzu9426 Před 3 lety

    When the announcer was about to say “Master Combo” the line was cut off and turned into him saying “Meh” xD

  • @brandons.hernandez3368
    @brandons.hernandez3368 Před 7 lety +1

    It's Kilgornia's time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @r3darrow571
    @r3darrow571 Před 7 lety

    your actually how I learned to do combos on mortal kombat

  • @kalirush9093
    @kalirush9093 Před 7 lety +1

    I freaking love this channel

  • @rockmenx8xx411
    @rockmenx8xx411 Před 7 lety +2

    So this is what happens when you combine kill with gore.

  • @lilwyvern4
    @lilwyvern4 Před 7 lety +1

    Kilgore was here.

  • @Foussen78
    @Foussen78 Před 7 lety

    Very good max .

  • @aserrodriguez6609
    @aserrodriguez6609 Před 5 lety

    BUTTON MASHING MAX

  • @zombine555
    @zombine555 Před 7 lety +1

    Seems to me that kilgore's damage comes mostly from the burn.

  • @Mx_Sneezy
    @Mx_Sneezy Před 7 lety +3

    This game in the only reason I want an XBOne.

    • @Eddie42707
      @Eddie42707 Před 7 lety

      This is why I got an Xbox one also and EA access is a plus just got my Razor Fight Stick.

    • @brobotsindisguise6287
      @brobotsindisguise6287 Před 7 lety +2

      it's on the windows 10 store for pc, and it's coming to steam this year if you don't have w10

  • @gabrielperrella
    @gabrielperrella Před 7 lety +2

    "You are holding a firearm. Put your gun down and surrender, you have 10 seconds to comply!"

    • @spammerx3268
      @spammerx3268 Před 7 lety

      Gabriel Perrella Kilgore self destructs

    • @gabrielperrella
      @gabrielperrella Před 7 lety +3

      You didn't get the reference?

    • @sclarke6969
      @sclarke6969 Před 7 lety

      Dead or alive your reference is wasted on me

    • @bravelordspeedo4836
      @bravelordspeedo4836 Před 7 lety

      Ayy, ED-209!

    • @spammerx3268
      @spammerx3268 Před 7 lety

      Gabriel Perrella I remember it, i m just saying he would since he can't just like when he can't open door

  • @experimento6262
    @experimento6262 Před 7 lety +6

    this is a chinatown version of Fulgore

  • @bazzfromthebackground3696

    7:08 BLASTER MASTER IS AN AWESOME GAME.

  • @raymcdougal420
    @raymcdougal420 Před 7 lety +1

    Wow iron galaxy sektor is here!!!!

  • @sarthebazaar1898
    @sarthebazaar1898 Před 7 lety

    KI in 2017 doods!!

  • @Markis2bi4
    @Markis2bi4 Před 7 lety +1

    Pause 9:31 - It was at this moment that Kilgore knew... he fucked up.

  • @TheeOnlyDjinn
    @TheeOnlyDjinn Před 7 lety

    Max i just watched the vid 'Max is killing the FGC' gotta say really well spoken.i get that people from that era are saying pay your dos but the reason your channel is so successful is because of your personality, and making fighting games inviting for the newcomer like myself (you can check my vids,im a "scrub").

  • @sojirotheipman
    @sojirotheipman Před 7 lety +1

    So beast

  • @lv45arcanine14
    @lv45arcanine14 Před 7 lety +1

    Hey! That's me at the end!

  • @RabisTehPally
    @RabisTehPally Před 7 lety +2

    Kilgore looks like a tau stealth suit from 40k. If you know what that is we cool

  • @Asitokia
    @Asitokia Před 7 lety

    The sad thing is when I played as Aganos my first time against Kilgore he wasn't even trying and you could tell the guy barely had any time in with him and I was zoned out badly xD I was like "WHAT IS YOUR SECRET!?" ; w ;

  • @randolphthomasii7040
    @randolphthomasii7040 Před 7 lety

    I can't be the only person who heard 'BLASTER MASTER' @7:08

  • @lorenzocupi2250
    @lorenzocupi2250 Před 7 lety

    12:40 that Woolie skin!

  • @najibothman2607
    @najibothman2607 Před 7 lety +1

    12:41 Woolie is that you? why you still in L.A with Max?

  • @section4344
    @section4344 Před 7 lety

    Left from Iron Galaxys stream for this.

  • @arielgonzalez008
    @arielgonzalez008 Před 7 lety

    Aganos's entire model has to be mirrored because he wouldn't be able to grab with his rock hand if facing left.
    Meanwhile, Kilgore has no hands and can grab like it's nothing

  • @hachi666roku
    @hachi666roku Před 5 lety

    “Sarah Connor?” Kick combo breaker is Best breaker

  • @Gurakaaa
    @Gurakaaa Před 7 lety +1

    What are those moves called when the background becomes black and a green mist rises out of the ground?

    • @hector-m-carrillo
      @hector-m-carrillo Před 7 lety +1

      Gurakaaa a any combo ends with an ender, in order to cash out on the potential damage (the white bit of a healthbar during a combo)
      when a combo has done considerable damage, it's ender would do that mist thing

  • @vevans0009
    @vevans0009 Před 7 lety

    Saw a godlike 58% combo in this vid. Kilgore can do the damage.

  • @ryanmeyer8933
    @ryanmeyer8933 Před 7 lety

    do you know who is going to be the next new character on Killer Instinct Max?

  • @pickledparsleyparty
    @pickledparsleyparty Před 7 lety

    No idea why that Aganos would close the gap and then IMMEDIATELY back away so many times.

  • @Danund81
    @Danund81 Před 7 lety

    He looks like Bastion and Reaper had a baby.

  • @frost2mann106
    @frost2mann106 Před rokem

    'Industrial Piss Skin Activate...'
    Fking dead. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @skinnywhitepipe1
    @skinnywhitepipe1 Před 7 lety

    Can you fight/review some matches with Kilgore vs Spinal please. I need a way around that guy

  • @WebbanationX
    @WebbanationX Před 7 lety

    So he has a theme? Atlus and Cell still on the soundtrack?

  • @thepassingstatic6268
    @thepassingstatic6268 Před 7 lety

    I do think that Kilgore is underpowered ATM, but that's by design probably. remember when Aganos 1st came out? Compared to now?. night and day

  • @GeZz.
    @GeZz. Před 7 lety

    A Kilgore match looks like a First Person Shooter game. just pew pew pew and boom boom boom

  • @sonicdolphin117
    @sonicdolphin117 Před 7 lety +1

    To everyone already saying Kilgore is weak:
    He's been out 2 days. Give it some time.

  • @AxelVIIIROGOTE
    @AxelVIIIROGOTE Před 4 lety

    Two robots literally too hot to die.

  • @Don_.X
    @Don_.X Před 7 lety

    in the last 2 matches the enemy kilgore had a blue eye in the first but a red in the second. release bug i guess?

  • @YourIdeologyIsDelusional

    This is really unfortunate. I was looking forward to Kilgore, but he looks like he suffers from the same issue of low damage forcing predictable combo paths that Riptor does.

  • @FR33PLAY13
    @FR33PLAY13 Před 7 lety

    So... trying to pick up this game, which bundle should I buy? Mind you, I'm on windows 10.

    • @thepassingstatic6268
      @thepassingstatic6268 Před 7 lety

      asdedf there should be a sale for all 3 seasons for 50 if I'm not mistaken.

  • @Dragon09178
    @Dragon09178 Před 7 lety

    Week Of Bastion 2.0

  • @clonedbraixen
    @clonedbraixen Před 7 lety +1

    9:30 At least Kilgore has a beautiful face when is punched to make more sexy face. XD

  • @EddiePReacts
    @EddiePReacts Před 7 lety

    Haven't played in a few months have they slowed the game down?

  • @themacca277
    @themacca277 Před 7 lety

    So Kilgore is the australian version of Fulgore? who is obviously from Japan

  • @RainnySkies
    @RainnySkies Před 7 lety

    He seems reeeeeeally underpowered tbh.

  • @danielb.7536
    @danielb.7536 Před 5 lety

    12:46
    KONO DIO DA!

  • @genesis4322
    @genesis4322 Před 2 lety

    Weird time to ask i know a bit late but is Kilgore this game's Dan?

  • @alexmowrey4226
    @alexmowrey4226 Před 7 lety

    So a robot with Gatling guns for hands is beat in damage by someone wielding two glow sticks? Seems fine

  • @Riku2099
    @Riku2099 Před 7 lety +1

    kilgore has a Dio color my life is complete (color 4)

  • @TooToo246
    @TooToo246 Před 4 lety

    Question: why does Fulgore press buttons on his wrist to activate his rage mode??.....he's a freaking robot not a human. He doesn't need to press any buttons, he could just access that shit internally from his own software!

  • @DMG3049
    @DMG3049 Před 7 lety

    I want to see a Kilgore take EVO

  • @mega1044
    @mega1044 Před 4 lety +1

    19:04 pewpepepew pepepew pepepepepepeew pepepepew!

  • @hexen203
    @hexen203 Před 7 lety +1

    Man does look like Aganos is a character in need of some serious help.

  • @smokey3504
    @smokey3504 Před 7 lety

    I was really hoping kilgore would be good cuz i liked his design, a beat up and rusty robot running on a scrappy combustion engine

  • @joedirt2656
    @joedirt2656 Před 7 lety

    haven checked out ki or max in a while figured new robot, seems cool.. unfortunately didnt look like a fun character

  • @Blitz0_JG
    @Blitz0_JG Před 5 lety

    Maybe Fulgore is Kilgore 2.0, better moveset and major demagr